they speake not according to this word it is because there is no light in them Truely God revealeth not his will the Prophets the Apostles teach it not but by his word wee haue this word what can wee aske more would wee know what the judgement of God is what the testimony of the Prophets and Apostles are concerning that doctrine ought not God himselfe to declare it should not the Prophets and Apostles Publish it Wee haue this declaration wee haue no Christian doubteth thereof the authentique coppy of this publication haue we not then what wee neede what we seeke and aske so earnestly to wit a sentence and a finall decree on our controversies Truely it is not necessary that the King the Secretary the Court the Register bee all present wheresoever it is requisite that the Kings will be knowne if wee haue the order of the Court wee are assured of the Edict and decree Wee stand at this day on these termes wee haue not to do with the Iewes neither with the Turkes who denie the authority the one of a part the other of the whole Scripture Wee are Christians wee beleeue wee all protest that we haue in the Canonicall booke of the Scripture of the old and new Testament the declaration of the will of God We acknowledge on both sides that whatsoever is there contained is the word of God which is able to make vs wise vnto salvation and throughly furnished vnto all good workes Why do we then so earnestly demand the corporall presence of our judge why do wee desire that he should giue vs a Vicar a substitute since wee haue his decree and acknowledge that hee hath pronounced it CHAP. 2. The demand and proposall of those who desire a holy reformation This is the complaint of them who at this day grieue and sigh lamenting the desolation of Israel and Iuda who wish and demand that as good Iosiah caused the book of the Law to be read before him as Esdras and Nehemiah did the like before the congregation when they endeavoured to reforme the Church and restore it to her first integrity so the like may be practised at this day If in Christendome all things be foūd conformable to this law in matters of Religion there will be no neede of changing any thing therein but to punish rather those vnquiet spirits those troublesome and schismaticall heretickes which trouble and marre by their novelties the peace of the Church and repose of the whole world But if this conformitie be not there to bee found but on the contrary a difference disagreeing why should not Gods truth be preferred before humaine inventions the law before there customes and the kingdome of Iesus Christ before the tyranny and dominion of him who hath vsurped both over the living and the dead over soule and body prince and people an authority in effect wholy soueraigne And here let every soule in which there is left any touch of conscience let every man in whom there is found the least sparke of manhood remaining in such a division of the Church in such a disagreeing especially about things of so great importance judge which of the two doth rather practise the craft of Alcibiades in shunning and declining whether they who demand that their proceedings be examined by the rule of this word which we all avouch to be inspired dictated and registred by the spirit of God or else those who shunne nothing more then the censure of this word of this Scripture so farre as to charge it with defects vnsufferable even in humaine writings accusing it of obscurity ambiguity and imperfections which truly are the proprieties of the Oracles of Apollo of the leaues of Sybil's but little agreeable to the the law of the Almighty the which the kingly Prophet so much magnifieth as beeing perfect pure sure and giving wisdome to the simple CHAP. 3. Wherein the objections against the foresaid demand are set downe and that which is framed against the person of those which require it is refuted Since then wee are brought to this poynt that instead of pleading the cause throughly there is a question made whether wee ought to come so farre they stand much vppon the quality of the accuser they conteste against the sufficiencie of the Iudge to whom hee appeales Wee are constrayned first of all to examine the equity or injustice of this manner of proceeding And first as touching the quality of the accusers they terme them new start-vps they aske them what calling they haue thereunto by what authority they haue made so bold an attempt as to protest they desire the reformation of the Church The thing then objected to them is noveltie and rashnesse But both of these objections are but a recrimination the which cannot be verified but that first their accusation be convinced of vntruth and therefore ought not neither can it be receiued before that point of their accusation be cleared They vndertake to proue that the doctrine of our Lord and of the Apostles hath beene altered and changed in that Church which termeth it selfe Catholique they vrge that every other doctrine is to be rejected no other admitted but that alone They protest then not that they will bring in but that their meaning is to banish novelties for which cause Noveltie cannot bee obiected vnto them so long as it cannot be proved that they are innovatours which is the chiefe point of the controversie the question beeing not here of the Nouelty of the persons but of that of faith and doctrine according to which we ought to iudge of the persons and not of it according to the persons As learnedly Tertullian Seing then that the summe of their accusations consist in this that they accuse the Church falsely called Catholique to haue innovated so long as it doth not appeare whether their accusation be true or no novelty cannot be obiected to them As for the rashnesse of the accusation no more can it be obiected vnto them vntill that the accusation bee retorted by a direct and just defence for even as in an estate and commonwealth every man is admitted to accuse in case of high treason and none is reiected but vpon a manifest falsity of his accusation neither is he accounted to accuse rashly who accuseth truly so in the Church whosoeuer accuseth of high treason against God is to bee heard without objecting vnto him rashnesse vntil it be prooued that his accusation is false In an armie in a besieged towne whē there is questiō of treasō no advise whatsoever is neglected but they rather duly weigh consider not so much from whom it proceedeth as the importance of it the accusers are not punished if their accusation be not found false but if it be true they are applauded rewarded advanced and often promoted in the offices and places of the accused In the Church of God in matter of conscience wee ought not to stoppe any mans mouth but to
intricate ought rather oblige him to produce them then oppose or hinder that hee should make vse of them For hee that accuseth and for proofe of his accusation alleageth reasoÌ„s too hard to be vnvnderstood that hee may seeme to speake Welch or Irish both iustifies the party accused and makes himselfe worthy to be laughed at CHAP. 6. The verification of the first meanes of Nullitie against the third and fourth allegation 3 BVt if as by the third allegation it seemes the Scripture bee ambiguous and capable of divers interpretations wherefore and with what reason is it that the Doctors that terme themselues Catholickes doe make more account of one expression of Scripture then of another grounding themselues either vpon the circumstances of the very text which is expounded or vpon some other passage of the Scripture the sense whereof is cleare manifest and certaine and not simply vpon the authority of the Church If the Scripture be as they say a nose of waxe Theramenes buskin a shoe for both feete a wethercock which turnes with the winde wherefore do they refute by Scripture the interpretations nay rather the false glosses of heretiques Wherefore do they not barely alleage vnto them the authority of the Church Verily according to their reckoning for the prooueing of transubstantiation they neede no more vrge the words of the Scripture hoc est corpus meum neither to say that they must be taken as they sound as being words of a last will and testament seing that this passage being a part of the Scripture is according to the nature of the Scripture if their allegation be true ambiguous and capable of divers interpretations and therefore they ought not to beleiue transubstantiation by reason of this place of Scripture but because it hath pleased the Church so to interpret it and so the beliefe of the Church of Rome will not bee grounded vpon the Scripture nor ruled according to it but quite contrary the sence of the Scripture is ruled and grounded vpon the knowledge of the Church so that the foundation is builded vpon the house and the building is the levell and the square And to conclude how commeth it to passe that they say that the Scripture proueth so distinctly so clearely so evidently the pretended authority of the Church that they wonder how those that do but read the Scripture can admit it if so bee that the Scripture bee ambiguous and of a double meaning as hath beene pretended by the third allegation 4 Touching the fourth defect objected against the Scripture to wit that it is imperfect and doth not sufficiently furnish vs with reasons for to proue or refute what is to be beleeued in matters of controversie betwixt vs. If this objection bee received how haue the Doctors of the Church which is called Catholique vndertaken to proue all the points of the Romish Religion by the Scripture Haue they taken vpon them rashly a thing impossible would they shew themselues in this sophisters and cavilling disputers seeking in the Scripture that which is not there to be found and prouing a truth by a lye or are there some points of doctrine beleeued in the Church termed Catholique which are not contained in the Scripture who amongst them all dare vndertake to make a catalogue of any such points what may those points of doctrine be that are not handled in the Scripture for being silent in which the Scripture is termed imperfect They are not points touching the Trinity the incarnation of the Sonne of God the redemption of mankind or of faith in Iesus Christ of hope charity and repentance of the necessity and practise of good workes of life eternall of Baptisme of the preaching of the word of the holy supper these points and those that depend on them are without doubt retained in the Scripture What then can these articles of faith bee of which the Prophets the Apostles nay God himselfe hath spoken in the Scripture Is it the article of the popes authority not only now to excommunitate but also to depose Kings his authority of dispeÌ„cing with mariages with which God dispenceth not in his word to make eating of flesh in Lent a thing of it selfe indifferent to bee a sinne and that an incestious mariage be not incestious or else the article of his imperiall dominion so soveraigne and supreme that although hee should lead whole troupes of silly soules into hell none may presume to say vnto him my Lord why do you so and of so large extent that it reacheth vnto the soules both of the liuing and the dead Or are they the articles of worshipping of Images of invocation of Saints of the fier of purgatory as hote as that of hell of workes of supererogation of merit ex congruo ex coÌ„digno that Iesus Christ hath sacrificed himselfe vpon earth twice to wit when he celebrated the holy Supper with his disciples and not once alone vpon the crosse that divine service ought to be sayd in an vnknowne tongue that Christ hath not saued by his death the litle children which dye without baptisme And if there be any other article of this sort of which the holy Ghost hath made no mention and the Prophets and Apostles haue written nothing No the holy Ghost hath dictated the Prophets and Apostles haue written the cleane contrary That the temporall authority of Kings is immediatly from God That every man is subiect to and not aboue the law of God That the very Apostles are the servants but not the lords of the Church That the soules of them which dye in Christ rest from their labours That wee must not call on him in whom we have not beleeued That wee must not bowe downe to images That when we haue done all wee can wee are vnprofitable servants That Christ hath not offered himselfe oftentimes but once That the vse of an vnknowne tongue in the Church is a curse That Christ receiued the litle Children yea before baptisme CHAP. 7. A verifying of the first meanes of nullity against the fift and sixt â—llegation AND for the fifth reproach cast vpon the Scripture to wit that those who make profession to end their controversies by its determination are disagreeing in opinion if this consideration should make that God speaking in the Scripture or by the Scriptures were not a competent Iudge to determine our controversies it would follow also from thence that neither the Church should be our Iudge since in this respect there is no difference For in the times of the Primitiue Church both Arrians and Orthodoxes Donatistes Catholiques did pretend to follow the judgement of the Church The Arrians did reject the Councell of Nice required a new Councell yea many Arrians in effect protested that they would hold themselues to the Councell of Nice so that by this account the Church it selfe shall not be the Iudge if from the discord of them who professe to referre themselues to the decision of a
convince or satisfie the heart and conscience such was the practise of the Apostolicall Church The Fathers haue so carried themselues towards Heretiques yea S Austustine himselfe speaking of the Manicheans is of this opinion And if any of the Ancients haue vsed perscription in any such case it hath beene in matters that were not properly of the essence of faith or if the doctrine was quaestioned then haue they to do with them who grounded not themselues especially vpon the Scripture but wrested according as they listed some certaine peeces of it forcing them to their purpose and as it were by torture making them to confesse what they never knew And therefore the same Fathers called theÌ„ Sucifugas Scripturarum men who shunne the light of the Scripture yea in those times prescription became them well It was impossible that then there should bee such a declining and falling from the trueth The mystery of iniquity which had already begunne to be conceiued in the times of the Apostles was yet in the cradle Our condition at this day is otherwise who are come vnto the last times who reckon a thousand and soe many hundred yeares since the flourishing and happy times of the Apostles During which so long space of time this mystery should in probability be well growne Wee see the most flourishing Churches in times past planted by the Apostles now brought into desolation and we cannot now call to witnesse the memory of men CHAP. 4. Wherein are proposed the allegations against the sufficiencie of the Iudge to whom those who desire a reformatioÌ„ do appeale BVT for all this they call in doubt the sufficiencie of the Iudge before whom the accusers commence their suite to wit God speaking in the Scriptures or by the Scriptures 1 They doubt whether hee can be Iudge considered after that manner because say they every Iudge ought to speake now God speaking in the Scripture is as though hee did not speake at all the Scripture having neede it selfe to bee propounded and applyed by some other 2 And besides the words of a Iudge ought to be cleare intelligible this writteÌ„ word is obscure as much as may be 3 Thirdly the Scripture is ambiguous and subject to divers interpretations whereas the decrees of a Iudge ought to be certaine and positiue 4 Fourthly the Scripture is defectiue and imperfect and therefore cannot be extended nor applied to the decision of our controversies 5 Fiftly the resolution of a Iudge ought to make them agree who referre themselues to him whereas it is seene what discord there is even amongst those who would end these variances by the Scriptures 6 Sixtly the Heretiques themselues make vse of the Scriptures whereas the sentence of the Iudge cannot advantage the party condemned by him 7 Seaventhly if God speaking in or by the Scripture were the Iudge to what end then serue the Councels 8 Finally if we had no other determination then that of the Scriptures we must needes alwaies liue in vncertainty for the weaknesse and deceitfulnesse of mans vnderstanding considered who amongst so great a multitude in such a discord of those who take vpon theÌ„ to haue the gift of the holy Ghost could know and discerne who hath it Who amidst such a nuÌ„ber of those who think they haue it are deceiued in their opinion can assure himselfe that hee hath it what then do they refuse to be Iudged by no meanes in apperance but they would haue the Church to be judge the truth is that when that comes to the vpshot wee find that this Church is themselues who would bee both iudges and parties as shall be more plainely showne hereafter CHAP. 5. The proposall of the meanes of nullity against the foresaid allegations and the verifying of the first meanes against the first and second allegation NOW let vs consider their arguments alleadged against the sufficiencie of the judge before whom they are summoned which if they are not 1 Contrary to their owne designe 2. to the truth 3. If they do not tend to the subversion of Christian Religion the accusers refuse not to accept of them But if they be found incompatible 1. with the cause for the defence of which they are alleaged 2. with the truth 3. with the authority of Christian Religion No body will condemne the accusers of false dealing if they keepe themselues to their first citation and appeale But we are confident that all these meanes of nullity may easily be verified and that wee may proceede in order let vs beginne with the first and let vs consider all these reasons one after another if they do not oppose that cause in favour of which they are produced 1 And as for the first if God speaking in the Scriptures or by the Scriptures is as if hee speake not at all vnder a colour that the Scripture is dombe and giuing no sound ought wee not vpon the same reason to say that the Fathers speaking in their writings the Church speaking in the CanoÌ„s of the Councells the Pope in his decrees and decretalls in his breefes and in his bulls and indulgences it were all one as if the Fathers Church and Pope speake not at all And ought not the writings of the Fathers the Canons of the Councels the decrees and decretals the briefes bulls and indulgences bee propounded and applyed nay and that by such who are not qualified for iudges to wit the particular or Ecclesiastical persons who may erre as not hauing the promise of infallibility Every one a part as they are in their pulpitt's in their states or lesse solemne exhortations proposing the traditions of the Fathers the CanoÌ„s of the Councels the decrees constitutions of the Popes their breefes bulls and indulgences This first reason then drawne from the nature of the Scripture that it is dumbe that it hath neede to be propounded and applyed cannot be admitted vnlesse they will vpon the same grounds annihilate the authority of the Fathers Councels Popes in whose words the very pretended defects are to be found as plainly â—ppeareth 2 And for the secoÌ„d allegation touching the obscurity of the Scripture it caÌ„not be maintained but it must be withal averred that all the proofes drawne from this word are likewise obscure and consequently that the Romish Religion cannot be gathered from the Scripture but by guesses and coniectures So that all the proofes drawn from this Scripture to maintaine the Doctrine of the Romish Church shall be meere coniectures and guesses And are they not to blame then vpon this reckoning not to bind those that accuse the Romish Church of reuolt to keepe themselues to the iudge before whom they haue made their appeale seing hee speakes so obscurely on the accusers side that hee will never iustifie his accusation neyther condemne the party accused who being in possession whereas the accuser is the plaintife if the evidences by which hee pretends to verifie his accusation be obscure and
she confesseth to be set downe in dumbe words obscure ambiguous applyable to every sense and which may be produced and vrged against her selfe How will the Atheists laugh at this how alas will the consciences of them bee shaken that beleeue and receiue this opinion of the obscurity ambiguity and insufficiencie of the Scriptures Let vs consider in the second place that their ayme is to cast all Christians into incertainty striuing to proue by these allegations that a man in what concernes Religion ought to mistrust his owne judgement which being once granted how shall a man know whether hee deceiues not himselfe in beleeving that there is a Church Here the Scripture cannot succour or helpe for it is presupposed that it cannot afford any certainty It is laid for a foundation that a Christian hearing reading meditating on the Scripture may coozen and deceiue himselfe Neither can a man in this straight haue recourse to the testimony of the holy Ghost for the allegation presupposeth that it cannot be knowne neither who hath neither whether a man himselfe hath the holy spirit or no. And as for the authority of the Church it cannot bee alleaged for question may bee made whether there be any Church at all As then to him who should doubt whether there ought to be a Pope in the world it would seeme strange far frō the purpose to alleage the testimony of the Pope for to perswade him that there ought to bee one Even so when we are to proue that there is a Church it is in vaine to alleage the testimony of the Church If then Christian Religion hath no foundation either in the Scripture or in the testimony of the holy Ghost or in the authority of the Church as it followeth from the allegation where shall shee seeke where shall shee finde where-vpon to vphold her selfe shall it bee in Philosophie there much lesse for if a Christian man cannot judge whether there be a Church by the spirit as not being able to assure himselfe whether hee hath the spirit much lesse able shall hee be to do it by his reason which without the spirit is starke blinde in spirituall things Let vs in the third place consider that in the disputes touching the markes and notes of the Church it is questioned what they are one is of one opinion another of another whence may a certaine knowledge of them bee had shall it bee from the Scripture but the allegation presupposeth that it is impossible shall it bee from the Church never the nearer for it so litle appeares which is the Church that it is controversed what are her markes by which she is knowne Let vs in the fourth place consider that grant wee had found the markes of the Church according to the allegation which casts men into incertitude it could not be discerned to what congregation to apply them amongst so many and divers assemblies who challenge them for it is supposed as granted according to the allegation that the Scripture cannot here guide vs that wee may deceiue our selues in making the choyce and the testimony of the Church can as little helpe vs if first of all it bee not presupposed that it hath the markes of the Church which is the point in question for wee seeke in what Church the markes of the Church are to bee found and to rely herein vpon the testimony of the Church doth presuppose that wee know already in what Church the markes of the Church are found Let vs in the fift place consider that according to the allegations there is no meanes how a man converted to the Church canne bee assured of his Religion For if hee hath not beene convinced by lawfull arguments neither his profession which followed the conviction of his conscience shall be lawfull It is very certaine that if the foundation of his faith who hath beene converted bee the authority of the Church the foundation of his conuersion hath not beene lawfull for there was no meanes to perswade him that the Church hath any such authority in alleadging to him the testimony of the Church And the allegation of Scripture and of reason according to their supposition is not a lawful meanes to resolue the conscience Having bin then brought to acknowledge the authority of the Church founded vpon these arguments it cannot be but weake and vnlawfull and consequently the beleefe of all that hee hath beleeued as depending vpon the authority which hee giveth vnto the Church And indeede if such a one whom wee would convert doth question the authority of the Church shall we proue vnto him that whereof he doubteth by alleaging vnto him that whereof hee maketh likewise doubt the argument then of his conuersion to the acknowledgment of the Church cannot haue beene the authority of the Church If then no man can bee assured of the foundation of his conversion no more neither can hee bee which is builded vpon the foundation In the sixt place let vs obserue that the Church which is called Catholique never speaketh by word of mouth they are the particulars that are her Heralds It may bee demanded then by what meanes a man may bee assured that they discharge their place faithfully since they may erre in proposing doctrine contrary to the meaning of the Church This cannot bee by the Scripture for according to the allegation truth and falsehood cannot be discerned by it no nor by the testimony of the Church for he speaketh not but by particular men of whom it is doubted whether they haue faithfully reported the determination of the Church In the Seaventh place let vs consider that if the authority of the Church bee the foundation of faith every one shall beleeue because his companion hath beleeued and so christian religion shall bee made ridiculous for seeing the Church is a congregation of persons in which every one grounds his faith vpon the authority of the whole congregation of which they are Members it will necessarily follow that every one of them shall beleeue apart because all haue beleeued together In the eight place let vs weigh this horrible inconvenience that we shall not beleeue the mysteries of the Trinit of the incarnation of the redemption of mankinde but by heare-say because our Ancestours our Parents our fellow burgesses haue beleeued so and shall not beleeue that they haue beene the Church of God but because they haue left this testimony of themselues which the Iewes may vsurpe with the like appearance of right if we renounce the authority of Scriptures Now haue wee verified this last meanes of Nullity not to incense any God is our witnesse but to shew if it bee possible into what and how many execrable absurdities some amongst them vnadvisedly precipitate themselues who by the meanes of these allegations endeavour to draw vs from the judgement of God speaking in the Scripture to the judgement of men pretending the title of the Church being most certaine that he who vrged principally this