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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85889	A defence of A treatise against superstitious Iesu-worship, falsely called scandalous, against the truely scandalous answer of the parson of Westminston in Sussex. Wherein also the whole structure of his Antiteichisma, so farre as it concernes the po[i]nt in controversie is overthrowne, the truth more fully cleared, and the iniquitie of that superstition more throughly detected. By M.G. the author of the former treatise, published Anno Dom. 1642	Giles, Mascall, 1595 or 6-1652.	1643 (1643)	Wing G46; Thomason E64_6; ESTC R16778	55,127	71

have the devils to doe more service then wee but wee need not then till Jesus be named So it followes that Satan shall be Lord all our time and Christ shal be Lord but two or three minutes in a week is not this sound Doctrine and then the Devils must be tied to come to Church for if they be not tied they are fooles to come thither to be subject with horrour when they might bee at their owne libertie or else they must set up a Church of their owne and choose a Priest to say Service or else upon these mens grounds how shall they ever be subject at all For if the dutie of the Text as these men say be not seasonable but in times of devotion then are not Devils capable of subjection at all except they will make them religious and devout well then if the Devils must bow but when these men doe it will follow that when Satan is not over-ruled he will rule when he is not in subjection hee will command no marvaile then if these men generally live such scandalous lives for would not you have their lives agree with their doctrine They teach it they make Satan Lord over them to rule them all the weeke but Christ shall be their Lord but two or three minutes on the Lords day yea they teach this doctrine in respect of themselves for if the ●…owing of the knee let them take soule-knees too if they will be limited to the naming of Jesus then by this Text they are not bound to bow either body or soule at any other time besides Christ indeed should be a proper King by this Doctrine to have command of his subjects a fit or two on the Lords day and all their time else to be at their owne command and at the command of his utter enemy To my fift proofe when I say this doctrine depriveth Christ of his true subjects and forceth upon him the members of Antichrist you answer how can this be can any plucke his out of his hands No Sir it cannot be but you teach it for seeing you damne all to hell that will not observe your command by this meanes you damne to hell the French Churches the Scotish the Netherland Churches and all other Churches and Persons whatsoever that obey you not and I hope Sir Churches that must be damned are not true Churches and helhounds are not Christs faithfull subjects yea you will have none to be saved but your owne faction But I suppose that if some Pagan should converse a while in England and should see the deportment of these Cringers that pretend they practise it for conscience sake and should compare them with those that for conscience sake refuse it that like the American savage whom a Fryer came to instruct at his death if he should be told that these cringers goe to heaven and the other to hell would choose to goe to hell with these then to heaven with those cringers That none should write against your opinion till T. C. I suppose you meane Mr. Cartright is extreamely false That ancient and moderne Divines agree with you it becomes none but Mr. Barton and such as he is to affirme You cannot bring any one Orthodox Father so to understand the Text And for Moderne Divines generally all Expositors that are Protestants write against you Bishop Andrewes was the first Protestant Divine that ever made it a dutie of the text and the best learned and pious in England have beene and are generally against it And though perhaps some very learned men might through the iniquity of the times yeeld to the practise of it yet I suppose few in their judgement held it by the Text To my last reason that it depriveth Christ of his Glory at the day of judgement seeing first it puts no difference betweene Christs kingdome inchoate and made perfect And secondly because it will make the full subjection of every creature to consist onely in a ceremony distinct from a substantiall dutie as Doctor Page calls it and to be the sole performance at that day when Christ shall come to be fully glorified by all his creatures You say nothing to it but what you say elsewhere and I say againe so to hold is flat blasphemy therefore you have more cause to recant for delivering such doctrine then I for censuring it as it justly deserves I was never against externall reverence but not limited at the Name Jesus SECT. XIII HEre I say that it is not probable that it is a dutie of the Text seeing it is not typified or prophesied in the old Testament You have not disproved my Antecedent to say that a truth may bee in analogy though not typified or prophesied is nothing to the Question except you meane signified to come to passe by the analogie Those places Act. 3. 3. 8. and Act. 10. 43. speake of what should come to passe in Christ that of Matth. 5. 18. speakes of jots and tittles and I shewed you that small matters were foretold in Christ This should have beene much more if it had beene the honour of Christs Kingdome But at length you will finde it in Type and prophesie but that in Gen. 37. 9. is nothing to your purpose except you could prove that Josephs brethren bowed to their Brothers name neither that of Exod. 17. 11. except you can prove that Moses bowed to the Name Joshuah Tertullian doth not speake of the bare literall Name Those Scriptures which you bring as Exod. 3. 15. Psal. 75. 1. Psal. 111. 9. Isay 45. 23. are to no purpose for because Gods name is Jehovah his name is neare his name is holy all knees must bow to Jehovah that is to God himselfe therefore that all knees must bow at or to the Name Jesus is a ridiculous inconsequent EECT XIIII HEre I say that if this bowing were a necessary command of God it is probable that there would be some examples for it but there are none Those places that I have brought for my consequent are weighty for they concerne examples of faith and the effects and fruits thereof in obedience there be examples enough in Scripture of all necessary duties and though there is no example precisely of putting off the hat yet there is of externall reverence in Gods house which you have sufficiently proved to my hand and you and your friends hold any externall reverence sufficient at the Name Jesus as putting off the hat bowing downe the body in stead of the knee but you cannot bring any example of any externall reverence whatsoever given at the mention of the Name Jesus That of Matth. 17. 6. though it concerne not the Question was no worship properly but an infirmitie of feare That which you speake of the sense of the Name makes not for you for our Question is about the name and I am sure you never bow to the sense without the Name It is strange that if this were a duty by this Text never