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saint_n and_o all_o this_o word_n they_o glad_o receive_v before_o they_o be_v baptize_v 2_o when_o the_o holy_a ghost_n vers_n 41._o declare_v their_o baptise_v he_o record_v withal_o their_o add_v to_o they_o the_o latter_a be_v a_o exegesis_n of_o the_o former_a and_o that_o the_o same_o day_n as_o be_v perform_v at_o the_o same_o time_n and_o indeed_o when_o a_o convert_n public_o profess_v his_o faith_n in_o christ_n be_v it_o not_o as_o easy_o do_v to_o receive_v he_o to_o a_o particular_a visible_a church_n as_o into_o the_o catholic_n before_o baptism_n but_o first_o to_o baptize_v they_o and_o then_o the_o same_o day_n to_o add_v or_o join_v they_o to_o the_o church_n be_v altogether_o unprobable_a and_o that_o this_o add_v be_v to_o a_o particular_a church_n be_v sufficient_o prove_v before_o the_o next_o place_n you_o may_v note_v be_v act_n 5._o 14._o where_o the_o holy_a ghost_n omit_v the_o baptise_v of_o those_o believer_n yet_o speak_v of_o their_o add_v to_o the_o 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gentile_n we_o find_v none_o must_v be_v admit_v to_o the_o passeover_n that_o be_v not_o circumcise_v but_o nothing_o be_v require_v of_o a_o stranger_n but_o that_o he_o profess_v the_o true_a faith_n and_o avouch_v the_o god_n of_o abraham_n to_o be_v his_o god_n which_o must_v be_v do_v before_o he_o can_v be_v repute_v a_o visible_a believer_n or_o under_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n reply_n if_o any_o doubtfulness_n can_v be_v raise_v about_o the_o church_n in_o abraham_n family_n yet_o the_o case_n be_v so_o clear_a in_o the_o follow_a story_n of_o the_o church_n as_o you_o must_v needs_o grant_v the_o proposition_n as_o you_o do_v and_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v still_o but_o the_o same_o church_n that_o be_v in_o abraham_n house_n and_o the_o covenant_n the_o same_o for_o gen._n 17._o god_n establish_v the_o covenant_n with_o he_o and_o his_o seed_n for_o a_o everlasting_a covenant_n to_o be_v a_o god_n unto_o they_o and_o in_o egypt_n the_o lord_n challenge_v they_o as_o his_o own_o his_o first_o bear_v etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n of_o circumcision_n first_o and_o last_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o person_n that_o have_v right_o unto_o it_o but_o say_v you_o nothing_o be_v require_v to_o circumcision_n but_o to_o profess_v the_o faith_n but_o we_o demand_v first_o what_o be_v it_o to_o avouch_v the_o god_n of_o abrabam_fw-la to_o be_v his_o god_n be_v it_o not_o to_o subject_v himself_o to_o all_o the_o statute_n commandment_n and_o judgement_n of_o god_n in_o his_o church_n to_o walk_v in_o they_o as_o be_v clear_a deut._n 26._o 17._o be_v there_o not_o the_o same_o law_n for_o the_o stranger_n and_o the_o home-born_a second_o where_o must_v they_o profess_v this_o faith_n and_o avouch_v this_o god_n be_v it_o in_o any_o place_n where_o they_o dwell_v
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