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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A20505	A discourse vppon a question of the estate of this time. Faithfully translated out of French by E.A.	Aggas, Edward.	1591 (1591)	STC 6910; ESTC S118984	10,741	18

which I leaue to the discretion of those that list more déepely to penetrate thereinto I wil procéede to intreat of the profit and commoditie that may redound to al christendome so long as the king standeth fast in the declarations which he hath published both before and since his comming to the crowne for matter of conscience and religion wherein he alwayes submitted him selfe to the determination of a generall or nationall councell The king is not alone in this realme of his religion there are but ouer many instructed therein that do professe the same Neither in this realme alone are there many withdrawen from the Romish Church but also in England Scotland Denmarke Sweden Poleland Germany Switzerland and other places being more then halfe christendome What way therfore do ye thinke to be best to reclaime al these nations to the obedience of the cath apost Romish church whether war or a frée generall councell Inquisitions fires gibbets murders warres battels fiege of townes leagues conuenticles slaughters assaults poysonings in briefe all other meanes and subtilities in the worlde that these 30. yeres could be practised to the great desolation and detriment of al christendome but especially of this realme haue as yet nothing preuailed Only they haue made a number of Atheists Libertines and Epicures contemners of God his word and church we haue found these medicines to be no fitter to the cure of the sickenes of the mind then is a strong cleane and fuming wine to the frantike or burning ague but rather to resemble oile to quench a flaming fire or as when a man hath paine in his arme for the curing therof to cut off his leg or other member My maisters the Apostles and antient fathers of the Church neuer vsed any such tooles for the rooting out of those errours and heresies which from time to time were sowen and planted therein Marke in the Acts of the Apostles what they did in the beginning in the cutting off of meats and abolishing of Iudaisme which some through the circumcision went about to continue in the church after grace giuen by Iesus Christ Consider what the Emperour Constantine the great did for the suppression and condemning of the heresie of Arrius Sée also what other Emperours did in like cases what course thy tooke to abolish the heresies of the Nestorians Pelagians Anabaptists and others as the Counselles called for the same do testifie Why then shall not we do the like in these dayes where the question concerneth not a handfull of people retired from the Romish church but euen halfe christendome But now here commeth some angrie fellow that will tell me that the heresies of these dayes are already condemned by the councel of Trent and therfore if that a processe alredy iudged euen by decrée where all parties haue answered reciprocally is not to be reduced to the file what shal then become of a processe iudged by default and contumacie where the parties haue neither appeared nor answered But omitting al other causes of nullitie aleadged against the said Councell as by sundry bookes expressely written doth appeare the Protestants and Huguenots do say and complaine that they are not heard in the said councel of Trent That albeit they were thereto summoned and called yet they durst not appeare as doubting of the safety of their persons by reason of a certaine principle both then and yet holden by some of our diuines importing That faith is not to be kept with heretikes and fearing the like successe as happened to those who contrarie to the publike faith and the Emperour Signismundes safeconduct were put to death at the councel of Constance If we were once sufficiently grounded to condemne this opinion and errour may we not be so againe It is not the first time that there haue béene diuers councels holden for the rooting out of one selfe heresie Sith there haue béene two Councels holden in Italie and one Sinode in France for the determining of the opinion of a meane Deacon of Saint Maurice of Angiers is it not greater reason to call a generall frée councell for so many peoples and nations of Christendome as at this day are of diuers opinions Let vs then shewe that we feare not the touchstone yea let them know that equitie and trueth are on our side which can neuer be reuersed in the presence of God who by his holy spirite alwaies assisteth a frée councel lawfully assembled and holden I could be content here to make a digression and exclamation against our holy fathers the Popes who are or should be the common fathers of all faithfull and Catholike people for suffering so much christian bloud to be shead about these arguments and controuersies in religion also for that they haue rather fauoured allowed and consented to the leuying of such wars hereabout then vsed the spirituall sword the which is Gods word for the cutting off of the course of heresie but in respect of the reuerence of their memorie the place that they haue holden the honor that I owe to that holy sea and eschewing of offence I will holde my peace I say therefore that as this sickenes of diuersitie of opinions in religion is spirituall so it is requisite thereto to applie spiritual remedies and medicines To say with some that the king is to be instructed we may say as much of al other that holde the same opinions as he doth and so when shal we haue done teaching of euery one particularly Againe thinke you so to win the consent of the inhabitants of England Scotland Denmarke Sweden Germany and other countries that haue frée exercise of their religion without controlement Wéene you that the doctours of Sorbonne and other such diuines shall be welcome to them in particular when they come to minister vnto them this foode and instruction Ye are deceiued it is a méere mockerie neither can that be the necessarie remedy to this disease Nothing but a generall councell can cure so generall a sickenesse For the honour of God therfore my Maisters you that are seruauntes to God and the king as well Cleargie men as others neuer withstand this course And you of the League let reason rule you as well your affaires are but in bad case I say and affirme that vnto such as in lieu of employing themselues about the calling of a generall councel shall withstand and hinder the same we may iustly attribute the causes of whatsoeuer domage may ensue to the catho apostol and Romish religion aduowing that they be guilty and answerable before god for al the robberies murders fires spoils ransoms violations ruines calamities and other outrages and excesse of the warres I know well enough my maisters that many of you do wish that the king would become a catholike to the end ye might haue peace and ye desire peace to the end to returne to your houses there to inioy your woonted commodities and pleasures But if ye obtaine not this wish at Gods hand ye may be

well assured that as in a certaine place it is saide it is because ye aske amisse God knoweth your hearts and can answere you as Christ answered the sonnes of Zebede Ye wot not what ye aske Let vs first therefore aske and séeke after the kingdome of God and his righteousnes so shall all things be added thereto For I do certainely beléeue that the first point requisit hereto were to change and reforme our maners our pride vanitie couetousnes ambition and pleasures with other our sins and bad demeanors and to embrace charitie with the loue of God and our neighbor which at this day are not onely cooled but euen almost quite quenched in vs. But sith I am no diuine without grounding my selfe any déeper vpon diuinity I will ende this discourse in the same simple stile wherein I began A hundred and a hundred times considering the spoiles and desolations procéeding of the tragedies stirred vp throughout Christendome but especially in this realme vnder the pretence of diuersity of opinions in matter of religion I haue studied how they might be appeased yet still my minde hath giuen me and I haue thought it good vnder Gods good pleasure who only is able to frée vs from these miseries for some mighty christian prince touched with the spirite of God a louer of his owne saluation together with the peace and vnion of the vniuersall Church whose worde and faith had neuer bene called in question to labour to the pope emperour and other christian kings and princes to summon an assembly in maner of a councell or generall conference whereto it might be lawfull for al christian nations to send their embassadors deputies doctours and diuines men of milde and tractable humours such as especially respected the glory of God the saluation of themselues and their neighbours and the peace of all christendome to the ende by the testimony and authority of the holy scriptures the auncient councels the doctours and fathers of the church such as haue alwayes béene receiued and allowed to agrée and conclude vpon a publike and general confession of faith that may touch whatsoeuer is in controuersie or diuersly interpreted concerning the catholike apostolike and Romish doctrine and religion as also that euery the saide embassadours and deputies should be authorized with epseciall power and proxie sufficient to grant promise and sweare in the behalfe of those that might haue chosen and sent them to obserue and kéepe and religiously and inuiolably to cause to be obserued and kept whatsoeuer shall be decided concluded and decréed in the saide assembly And withal reuoluing in my mind who were the fittest prince in christendome whom god might vse as an instrument in so great a worke my heart gaue me aboue 8. yeares since that the king now raigning temporally ouer vs was most méete yea and euer since haue I bin persuaded that god stil preserued him to that end In which persuasion I am greatly confirmed when priuatly I call to mind Gods wonderfull works in the calling and bringing him to this crown For it hath bin maruellous yea I would gladly say euen miraculous had not euery one séene it or had not many particularities béene noted in sundry former writings either if I wist that among the kings seruants for to them specially do I direct my spéech there were any yet so dull as not to haue considered and diuers times meditated vpon the course of things passed I could gladly stay vppon a briefe rehearsall of the same in this place but studying for brenitie least I should be tedious I will onely say thus much that sith so extraordinarily contrary to the opinion and expectation of a great parte and against the willes of many French men and some mighty forren ennemies GOD hath raised vp and placed in the seate royall him whome they reiected and proclaymed vnwearthy I am fully and stedfastly resolued that he hath called and chosen him not only to raigne ouer this realme but also to be the meane of peace and vnion throughout the catho apostolike and Romish church and to roote out all schismes diuisions abuses that may haue bin crept in or norished through the corruption of the time Which foundation once laid I will with Saint Paule adde thus much that such as do resist the kings dominion ouer this realme do resist the ordinance of God and so purchase to themselues eternall damnation and therefore to the end to appease Gods wrath all the subiects of this crowne ought to vnite themselues in one will to acknowledge and obey the king that so we may attaine to a peace whereby things decayed may be redressed small ones increased iustice flourish and order which by wars is subuerted and corrupted be restored in all estates and sunctions and finally the king at the humble suite of his good and faithfull subiectes may deale with the saide Pope Emperour and other Kings and Princes christian for the assembling and gathering of a generall frée councell wherein to abolish and end all controuersies and to reforme whatsoeuer is any where corrupted or amisse in matter of religion Me thinkes that already I heare a common consent of al nations christian to hearken to this so necessary a motion yea that I euen heare them say that sith the king is the dealer and that the generall councel shall be assembled vnder his faith and word they will not hencefoorth feare to send their embassadors and deputies as being assured that euery one may come safely that with all liberty they shall be receiued vnto a frée debating of their reasons and declarations and to lay open whatsoeuer the imaginations of their mindes in matter of religion without any feare of molestation in their liues and persons For what Prince was there euer more carefull of his faith then the King Sith his euemies haue and daily do relie thereupon shal not his friends do the like But withall it is méete that the said nations togither with their embassadors and deputies consieering that it is the honor and glory of God the quiet and saluation of their soules and the peace and vnion of the vniuersall Church that is to be dealt in should be admonished laying aside all affections and particular passions all couetousnes ambition bitternes and obstinacy to come and bring to the said assembly milde and tractable mindes easie to be illuminated and guided by the light of Gods word together with the authoritie of the doctrine of the ancient councels and fathers of the Church and to the same effect before they enter into matter and conference they are to méete and agrée vpon such authors and bookes as they wil accept to be the arbitrators and iudges of their controuersies Who doubteth any longer of taking this course What spirit of strife will not lende his consent hereto Who is so great an enemy to himselfe and to the whole name of Christianitie as to chuse warre and temporall weapons rather then spirituall The controuersie is spirituall let it be decided with spiritual weapons I am content to beléeue that we al do agrée herein reason so requireth necessitie forceth And I hope that God who with his holy grace and prouidence guides al things wil fauour the vows and hearty supplications which daily for the same we do and still will poure forth vnto him I haue already shewed that the peace of this realme must procéed of the holding of this said generall councell as also it will be vnpossible to attain to the one without the other it shall not be amisse therefore in few words to say that through peace matter of religion must be staied by prouiso vntil the resolution of what soeuer shall be agréed decided and concluded in the saide generall councell It is an vsuall course to knitte againe a thréede in the same place where it was broken and when an Instrument of Musicke is out of tune men vse not for to breake the rest of the strings but by wresting and slacking of them to reduce them to a consent and harmony as wel as they may Euen so may peace be knit againe and the harmony of this estate be restored in the place where it was broken And this may be compassed by re-establishing things into the same state wherein they were when the Leaguers through their manifest conspiracies commotions and practises forced the late king to reuoke the Edict that had preserued and maintained vs seauen yeares on a rowe in happie peace concord and tranquilitie throughout the realme To conclude therefore in so much as the Leaguers intent in séeming to wish the king would become a catholike is wicked and captious as we haue already shewed also that the intents of others that terme themselues the kings seruants and make the like wish are not so wel grounded but that they may be reuersed by other as strong resons as may appéere by such as alredy haue beene debated let vs hereafter cease this importunate and common proposition and principle and henceforth inspect all such as shall vse it accompting them for such as vnder a faire and large apparance and pretence doe weare I wote not what ambitious and pernitious web to the disaduantage of the wealth and seruice of the king and the peace of his estate And contrariwise taking the king at his word that he will be instructed and conforme himselfe to whatsoeuer shall be decided and determined in a generall councell let vs stand vpon this latter aduise whereby procuring the kings instruction and conuersion by the saide generall councell we may reunite the church of God into one selfe religion and confession of faith which is the greatest benefit that we can at this present craue of our Lord who wil grant our request in case our owne commodities and particular interestes forgotten and omitted we séeke onely his honour and glary together with the peace and vnion of all christendome FINIS