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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A93274	Diatribē VVherein the iudgement of the reformed churches and Protestant divines, is shewed, concerning preaching by those who are not ordained ministers.	Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing S3823A; ESTC R204882	8,147	15

acclamabat Amen similia Sic nemo videbatur otiosus in toto coetu Aretius in 1 Cor. 14.26 Now the Minister doth all almost in the meeting he prays reads interprets brings forth what God hath revealed to him He teaches tongues explains begins the Psalm It was not so from the begining but one read a place of Scripture another interpreted another gave his judgement another prayed another Sung another said Amen and the like And by this means no man in the assembly was idle Iterum apparet olim in coetibus officiū docendi multis in cubuisse nec enim unus omnia praestabat ut hodiè In ver 28. And upon the 28. verse It again is evident that of old the duty of teaching lay upon many in the Assemblies and one did not do all as we do it now Peter Martyr who was sent for to help on the Reformation in the time of King Edward the 6. upon those words you may all prophecy one by one When he saith All he seems to exclude none of the common sort of Christians Cum dicit Omnes Nullos ex Plebe Christiana videtur excludere Sed quia putant obliqui hoc tantum ad ordinem Prophetarum pertinere quia nos dicimus ad Plebem quoque hoc referendū absurdum existimant contra Patrum sententiam dici Operae pretium fuerit audire Ambrosium quid hoc loco de re hujusmodi statuat Triplicem ordinem eorum qui sunt in Ecclesia facit Aliqui Seniores in Cathedris sublimioribus sedent atque hi sunt Presbyteri Alli occupant subsellia in inferiori loco sunt posteremo qui sedeant in pavimento super Mattas Quibus si revelatum fuerit dandus est locus non enim despicendi sunt cum membra corporis habeantur Et supra visus est sententiae hujus rationem afferre sicut enim minimè conceduntur uni omnia sic etiam nullus est tam parvo loco Et aliquid impertiatur ut nemo sit vacuus Dei gratia Pet. Mart. in 1 Cor. 14.31 which he also dedicated to K. Edw. 6. But because some think that this belongs only to prophets in orders and think that its both absurd and contrary to the judgement of the Fathers to refer this to the Common sort of Christians it will be worth the while to hear Ambrose and what in this place he determines in this case he makes three ranks of them who are in the Church Some sit in higher seats and those are Elders Some on seats in a lower place Some sit on the ground upon Mats Place must be given unto them if any thing be revealed for they are not to be despised seeing they are accounted members of the Body And he gives this reason for his opinion Because as God hath not given all to one so there is none of so mean place but something is imparted to him that no man may be without the grace of God This he goes on to say was an ancient custome amongst the Iewes which being good and laudible the Apostle disdains not to bring into the Church of Christ seeing it is not a legal Ceremony T is no legal Ceremony but conducing to the Reformation of the Church That it was a Custome amongst the Jews in their Synagogues appears by Story of the Evangelists where Christ being yet a childe was admitted to hear the Doctors to ask questions of them and to answer Whereby you see that neither was he rejected for his age being yong nor for his condition being accounted a Carpenters son And afterwards when Christ was elder there was a Book given him in the Synagogue to read and interpret It differs from Anabaptists This Peter Martyr distinguishes from the Anabaptists thus That the Anabaptists give all leave to speak without making any difference and they acknowledge no order of Ministers in the Church Whereas the Apostle only doth not lay this only on them As every man saith he may speak in the Parliament though the Law be made by the better part so c. And he perswades to use this upon holy-days and complains of the Churches loss in not having it Ibid. Conventus hujus modi maxima cum jactura amisimus In omnibus Ecclesiis sive nascentibus sive vegetis propheticae ordo ex Pauli instituto observetur Ad hoc Collegium cooptentur non modo Ministri sed etiam Doctores ac ex senioribus Diaconis atque adeo ex ipsa Plebe si qui sint qui donum suum à domino acceptum in communem Ecclesiae utilitatem conferre velint Ita tamen ut prius Ministrorum atque aliorum probentur judicio Vbi autem is cujus erunt partes vices suas expleverit licebit iis qui subselliis eum insequuntur siquidem visum erit adjicere quod ad edificationem pertineat Ac cum demum concepta oratione ab eo cujus erunt partes coetus claudatur Harmonia Synod Belgick Cap. 5. The Synods of Embden and Wesel determine thus In all Churches whether growing or grown up the order of Prophecy is to be observed according to the appointment or institution of Paul To this company do belong not only Ministers but Doctors and out of the Elders and Deacons yea of the common sort of Christians those who have received a gift from the Lord wil bestow it to the common benefit of the Church Yet so as they be first tryed by the judgement of the Ministers and and others And when he hath done his part to whom it belongeth it shall be lawful for them who sitting in their seats go on after him if it be thought good to adde any thing vvhich may edifie And at last hee having prayed by conceived prayer to whom it belongs the meeting is to be ended Church of Scotland This also was the practice of the Church of Scotland At that time we had no publique Ministers of the Word History of Reformation of Church of Scotland printed 1644. in 4. lib. 1. p. 127. onely did certain zealous men amongst whom was the Laird of Dun David Forrest Mr. Robert Lockhart Mr. Rob. Hamilton William Harlow and others exhort their Brethren according to the gifts and graces granted unto them And pag. 130. they make this particular demand of the Queen That if it shall happen in our said Meetings any hard place of Scripture to be read of which without explanation hardly can arise any profit to the hearers that it shall be lawful to any qualified persons in knowledge being present to interpret and open up the said hard places to Gods glory and the profit of the auditory And if any think that this liberty should be occasion of Confusion Debate or Heresie we are content that it be provided that the said interpretation shall underly the judgement of the godly and most learned within this Realm at this time And it is to be observed that this was after Paul