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stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n concern_v idolatry_n p._n 216._o etc._n etc._n st._n aug._n de_fw-fr civet_n dei_fw-la p._n 8._o c._n 27._o pag._n 9_o pag._n 6._o nam_fw-la si_fw-la propterea_fw-la subsidiis_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la uti_fw-la non_fw-la liceat_fw-la quod_fw-la unum_fw-la patronum_fw-la habemus_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la nunquam_fw-la id_fw-la commisisset_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ut_fw-la se_fw-la deo_fw-la tanto_fw-la study_v fratrum_fw-la viventium_fw-la precibus_fw-la adjuvari_fw-la vellet_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la minus_fw-la vivorum_fw-la preces_fw-la quam_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la sunt_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la deprecatio_fw-la christi_fw-la mediatoris_fw-la gloriam_fw-la &_o dignitatem_fw-la immiâ—uerent_a catech._n rom._n part_n 3._o tit._n de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la &_o vener_n sanct_a heb._n 4._o 14._o heb._n 7._o 16._o 26._o heb._n 9_o 24._o heb._n 7._o 25._o pag._n 4._o contemplation_n on_o the_o life_n and_o glory_n of_o holy_a mary_n p._n 24._o ibid_fw-la p._n 5._o luke_n 11._o 27._o matth._n 12._o 46._o etc._n etc._n luke_n 2._o 48._o 49._o john_n 2._o 3_o 4._o pag._n 7._o pag._n 9_o pag._n 9_o pag._n 9_o see_v dr._n stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n of_o idolatry_n p._n 466_o etc._n etc._n 1_o king_n 18._o 27._o pontif._n in_o bened_a nov_fw-mi erucis_fw-la psalm_n 135._o 15_o 16_o 17._o vasquez_n dâ—sp_n 106._o c._n 1._o pag._n 9_o see_v dr._n still_a defence_n of_o the_o disc._n of_o idol_n p._n 703_o etc._n etc._n and_o several_a conference_n between_o a_o romish_a priest_n etc._n etc._n p._n 211_o etc._n etc._n durand_n in_o sent._n 3._o dist._n 9_o q._n 2._o vasquez_n disp._n 106._o c._n 1._o idem_fw-la disp._n 108._o c._n 3._o c._n 9_o disp._n 109._o c._n 1._o bellarm._n de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la imag._n l._n 2._o pag._n 5._o greg._n de_fw-fr valent_n de_fw-fr idolol_n l._n 2._o c._n 7._o cajent_n in_o aq._n 3_o p._n q._n 25._o art_n 3._o suarez_n disp._n 54_o sect._n 4._o de_fw-fr natura_fw-la deorum_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 27._o max._n tyrius_n dissert_v 38._o see_v dr._n stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n of_o idolatry_n p._n 466_o etc._n etc._n dio_fw-mi chrys._n orat._n 12._o st._n aug._n in_o psal._n 113._o arnob_n l._n 6._o aug._n ep._n 119._o c._n 11._o arn._n l._n 1._o caesar_n de_fw-fr bellâ—_n civ_o l._n 2._o ovid._n fast._n 4._o exod._n 32._o 1._o see_v dr._n stillingfl_fw-mi defence_n of_o disc._n of_o idolatry_n p._n 747_o &c_n &c_n isa._n 44._o 10_o 15_o 17._o deut._n 4._o 15._o isa._n 40._o 18_o 27._o acts._n 17._o 29._o tertul_n de_fw-fr idolo_fw-la c._n 4._o wisdom_n c_o 14._o v_o 15._o c._n 13._o v._n 6._o levit._fw-la 19_o 4._o psalm_n 13515._o rome_n 1._o 23._o 1_o king_n 12._o 28._o 1_o king_n 16._o 31_o 32._o 1_o king_n 18_o 21._o 2_o king_n 10._o 16._o isa._n 40._o 18_o 19_o etc._n etc._n arnob._n l._n 6._o psal._n 135._o 18._o joh_n 4._o 21_o 23_o 24._o papist_n protest_v etc._n etc._n p._n 27._o p._n â—8_o exposition_n p._n 3â—_n p._n 37._o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n true_o represent_v p._n 6._o ed._n 2._o bulla_n pii_fw-la quarti_fw-la super_fw-la confirm_v council_n trid._n reflect_v p._n 7._o reply_v p._n 44._o papist_n prot._n p._n 25_o reflect_v p_o 8._o reply_v p._n 47._o refl_fw-mi p._n 8_o 9_o rep._n p._n 49_o &c_n &c_n refl_fw-mi p_o 15_o 16_o reply_v p._n 55._o ibid._n p._n 58._o p._n 61._o p._n 63._o p._n 67._o