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A18451	Remonstrances, to the Duke de Mayne lieu-tenaunt generall of the estate and crowne of Fraunce. Wherein, by way of information, are discouered diuers priueties, concerning the proceedings and affayres of that Duke, and his associates. Trulie translated out of the French coppie, printed at Paris, by Ant: Ch	Chute, Anthony, d. 1595?	1593 (1593)	STC 5012; ESTC S119236	17,880	32

soueraneties which we now hold hauing none aboue vs. VVherin my good Lord you shall be pleased to giue mee thus much leaue as to say I am nothing edified in one respect for before I coniectured that all these mischiefes were neither familier with GOD nor the diuell or that it was not respected whether they were mad men or Machiauils And through this publique ioy in the Church of God they are all as we are true Romane Catholicks but of a more warie conscience then we They esteeme that of what religion soeuer it pleaseth God to giue vs a King we are all bound to obey him and that wee are so commaunded by S. Peter in two places and by S. Paule wryting both to the Romans and to Titus In briefe that our Sauiour Iesus Christ vppon the moulde on which wee ought to frame all our actions sayd That we ought to giue that to God which belongeth to God and to Caesar that which belonged to Caesar and hold that if they do amisse after Iesus Christ that then that faulte is pardonable But to the ende that I may not too long dwell vppon thys poynt or to sounde deeper in theyr consciences presentlie after the King had made thys protestation to become Catholique with solemnities aunswerable the wise Gentlemen our Deputies demaunde day of aunswere with deliberation and after respette at length made aunswere That they sawe nothing in him that might minister this hope vnto them That hee vvas onely in wordes and his Ministers performed nothing Ho ho quoth I is the game to that And I pray you what hinders that so much may not be said of my Lord the Duke de Mayne That they saw nothing in him why they might iudge he would alter his opinion any of hys protestations not withstood That he is the man that he hath beene from the beginning of foure yeeres That he fauours and authoriseth the Preachers of the Religion which among all other are the principall Orators and ministers of these troubles And that it is not to be thought strange that theyr King desireth not to perseuer in error but will not forget to prayse God so that hee receiues the instructions of our Church otherwise it shold be a meane to open a way to Atheisme impiety After hauing persused these Articles I returne vnto that by which our Deputies inferre that the King of Nauarre may receiue instructions from the Prelates Docters of Fraunce but that hauing receiued it it appertained to the holy Father of Rome to haue the especiall gouernment in that businesse sith it was onely hee that had authority to approue the conuersion to giue hym absolution without which he could not be held for one conuerted or reconciled to the Church And did I exclayme then Loe here the consummation of our work The phisick of the Duke of Feria hath not had his operation in Paris it shold be carried to Rome there to haue his working Say that you will not goe vvhy this were to found a new heresie amongst the people But put case that fortunatly you may goe vvho knowes not the Spanish concetis to whose iudgement you must commende the conuersion of a Prince of the bloode Hath not the Duke of Feria sufficiently instructed you in the grounde of his intended pollicies which is to no other ende then to auere the Crowne of Fraunce to his owne state My good Lorde the Legate which at this instance is in Paris shewes he not by his demeanure what commaundements he hath from the holy Father No I must haue patience it is to you my Lord that I must speake for I can gather no other but that this counsell proceedes with your owne aduise as from him that in respect of the degree you are in haue more reason to hinder the course of these affayres or at the least wise that it may not seeme so intricate as thereby it may appeare illusiue vnto you whilst you gather vp the fruite of your greatnes Say I beseech your excellence vvhen you tooke Armes against the deceassed King which wee acknowledged for the most Christian King in al Europe sude you to the Court of Rome for lycence Haue you since craued absolution of the holy See For indeed we are not to doubt but that such bearing of Armes was a very heresie beeing borne against a King so far from being an Hereticke VVell then you haue not doone so yet will you willingly sende your King so I am forced to name him if I see him abiure that error which he hath been nourisht in from his infancie Certes you addresse your selfe to thinke vpon your ill-willers which respect not the See of Rome but so much as you profit by it Let vs shunne all shadowe and dissimulation of thys quarrell let vs leaue apart all ambitions and let vs acknowledge that which is of the auncient fayth of our Church which Saint Ierome sayde had neuer nourisht Monsters meaning vnder that word Hereticks The generall proposition of our Church since and from the passion of Christ was to reduce al her thoughts to the vnion of the Romane Church to holde it for chiefe to simbolize with it in the Articles of our fayth And if our Prelates entred into any doubts touching it to haue recourse to it as the true source from which they ought to drawe all water of life And further all hauing Diocesse had all power and authority to performe theyr owne will within their owne Diocesses but onelie in matters of especiall importance in which they had recourse one while to the Councels prouinciall another while to another place without any interposition of Romish Authority And in this order lyued they from the death of our Sauiour euen vntill the first lyne of our Kings and from that to the seconde And howbeit that it was not so when the great Pagan King Clouis reuolted from his paganisme yet did he sue for pardon at Rome surely no but hee receiued the holy Sacrament of Baptisme at the hands of S. Remy Archbishop of Reims who was so francke a Catholicke as hee woulde neuer haue done it to the preiudice of the holy See if he had thought that in such matters recourse thether had been needfull I acknowledge that vnder the seconde lyne the See began to authorize it selfe more in Fraunce then before it had done and why then but because that King Pepin to the intent he might in better sort vsurpe the kingdom had beene at Rome to seeke instructions for his tyrannous raigne and coulde not sette any glosse on his aspyring vnlesse it were by making the See a wonderment aboue all things which is the same artefice which nowe we infer as especiall engine of your greatnes Neuertheles what preheminence soeuer his holines then tooke to himselfe yet shal you neuer find that he made so bold as to condemne any K. in Fraunce for what offence soeuer they had committed but did it in an open assembled counsel of our Prelats

which thing was continued vnder the 3. line witnesse the great counsell of Cleremont in Auuergne In briefe I see not any one Pope which hath so much forgot himselfe but only good-face or Boneface the 8. against Phillip the faire but God would that with open signes he shold confesse the repentance of such sin to serue as an example vnto his successors how to enterprise any thing against any king When the Emperor Theodosius had caused the generall massacre of the Thessalonians to be made what stopt the doore of the Church against him S. Ambrose Archbishoppe of Mylan who opened it vnto him after penitence Went the Emperor to Rome No it was the selfe same Ambrose And are wee better Christians then S. Ambrose or S. Remy Shal we cōdemne the actions of al our auncient Prelats of Fraunce It shall folow that they were hereticks if the Maxime which we propounde to the king of Nauarre be true yet there is no doubt made but that they were all most holy and sanctified men But what religion is this of ours VVee haue taken Armes against our most dread Soueraigne and indoubtable king without any licence from the See we haue made a Saint or canonized brother Fryer Iacques Clement his murtherer without going to Rome treading vnder feete the example of Dauid toward Saul VVe are commanded to obey our kings notwithstanding they be euen Pagans Now after all this our King will be Catholick do penance worthy his fault euen in the midst of the french-French-church yet we wil indent with him turn him ouer to Rome Good God what neede haue we of further ceremony then that which wee woulde vse if willingly we would submit our selues to his obedience Tis true but you wil tel me that you suspect deceits Call you thē deceits when in the face of the church before all our Bishops and Prelats he wil make confession of his fayth in the presence of the Princes and the Officers of the Crowne which shall be there called to witnesse If he hyde any deceipt in his heade he will be the first that shall be deceiued for GOD often-times deceiues the deceiuer It cannot be thought but that all good Catholiques which haue made generall professions onelie on his bare declaration will be prompt enough to forsake him if he againe forsakes God It woulde be the greatest and easiest victory which you could obtaine of him if he be so obstinate as not to yeeld after a faith plighted of all his owne Friendes And as touching you my Lord whom I honour and reuerence aboue all other thinking that there could be nothing but a holy zeale that did accompany your holie actions thinke not but God will confounde all those counsels and deceits what masque soeuer of authority you passe them vnder if it fortune so that the King of Nauarre should but onely satis-fie hys fayth You shal be neither the first nor the last of yours which shalbe fallen into this desaster I will acknowledge freely that to increase your greatnes in ful perfection you haue not forgotten any one poynt First seeing the fury of the people to haue all authority you made your selfe altogether popular leauing the Controwlershippe generall of the Towne of Paris to sixteene persons of most lowe condition which the lycence of time gaue reason to suspect and to one counsell of forty you commended almost all the affayres of estate in retayning them from you and then dyd you scarce knowe the way of Paris Not long after you broke of this counsell of fortie approching it neere to your person The necessity after the siedge was raised taught vs for our owne security not to refuse a garison of Spaniards From that time forward you fought betweene two extremities between the King of Spayne and the Comminaltie For notwithstanding you make fayre wether with the King of Spayne yet you would be right sorry that he shoulde haue attained the drift of all his inuentions And in like case although he aydes you for the defray of thys warre yet he would be sorrie too that you shoulde haue your wish The Duke of Parma the interpositus in these affayres hath shewed it wel as often as euer he came to our succours well he is dead and that makes you more assured of your hope The Sixteene by a desperate fury haue lost the deceased Mounsier the President Brisson and Arcter counseller in the Parliament This iniustice inuites a publique choller of all in generall and moueth you by these means to make the boldest trait of estate that euer was since these troubles because you caused foure of these 16. to be hanged and that at one instant you brought to beggery that little Tyrant of Paris Bussy le Cleere chasing him from the Bastillion the sanctuary of all his robberies and thefts And since you haue much more familiarisde your selfe with our Towne of Paris then erst such be the meanes by the which you haue made your selfe Maister of the people beeing assisted of the Spanish garrison and hauing swallowed downe the whole authoritie of those 16. now you haue to combat with the king of Spayne which feedes on the wind of the Crowne of Fraunce But to keepe him in breath betwixt hope and feare you enter into dyuerse motions of peace which euen withall you breake as soone as you make them and that after fayre proffers These you break I say to shew that you haue both peace and warre in your hands and that you haue meanes to bring all these Spanish vanities to nought if he still aydes you not with men and money by this meanes stretching the very quintescence of euen halfe halfe a farthing to make thereof the principall stay of your greatnes And since wee are nowe in some path toward peace let Mounsier the Spanish Legate be ridde till his backe be gauld O but you haue erected Marshals of the vnion to the intent that if a peace should fortune these woulde be a singuler peece of good to you and that beeing nowe in war the peace may confirme them Is it possible to haue acted with more wittie endeuours then you haue doone euen to the end and yet I despayre to for I iudge it fatall to your house to worke ruine to that of Burbon to be as circumspect as may be yet neuerthelesse at length all vanisheth to idle smokes and that euen then when you thinke your selfe neerest the perfection of your will Euen so did it befall my Lord your Father in Orleance the yeere 1560. when vnder the authority of Frauncis the second whom he was possessed of intending to spoyle both of lands goods and life the deceassed King of Nauarre and the Prince of Conde God tooke away the king euen when he thought that he could not chuse but haue his full will euery way Euen so of latest memory fortuned it to your Brothers which neuer endeuoured anie thing so much as to declare the vnhability of the King