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A64569 A speech of VVilliam Thomas, esquire Ianurary, 1641 concerning the right of Bishops sitting and voting in Parliament : wherein hee humbly delivereth his opinion that their sitting and voting there is not onely inconvenient and unlawfull Thomas, William, Sir, d. 1653? 1641 (1641) Wing T984; ESTC R17410 8,493 42

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to use this freedome of speech which perhaps they will terme not only a harsh and malicious render but an undeserved tax and a most unjust charge I will be further bold to tell them that their owne fellow Bishops and such as understood them better have left recorded of them such things as I should be very unwilling to be uttered by my tongue or to passe my pen I will instance in some few of many that I might recite first Bellarmine Doth not he in his Chronologie say that the Bishops of Rome did degenerate from the piety of their Auncestors And speaking of Hildebrand saith That he usurped power to depose Princes for which all honest and good men detest And speaking of his owne Lord and Master Sixtus the 5. Sine poenitentia vixit sine poenitentia moritur proculdubio in infernam descendit And after Quantum capio quantum sapso quantum intelligo in infernum desoendu And doth not Machiaversay as much of his Master doth not Baronius speaking of Landus Iohn the tenth and others possessing the See of Rome about anno 912. deliver this testimony of those Bishops Qua tunc facies Ecclesia Romana c. What was then the face of the Church of Rome How filthy when most potent and most filthy whores ruled all in Rome at whose appointment Sees were changed Bishoprickes translated and that which is most horrible and not to bee spoken their lovers false Popes were thrust up into Peters chaire who were not fit to bee written in the Catalogue of Bishops but for the summing or computation of time Doeth not Gerochus Bishop of Richenberg say of those two firebrands of hell Octavianus alias Victor and Alexander the third his competitor that they were Antichristians c. Nay doth not Bishop Theodoricke à Niem the Popes Secretary conclude the Bishops of Rome to bee Divels incarnate I agree saith hee to what the Canonists dispute that Popes are neither Angels nor men but Divells incarnate Saint Bernard and many others speake little lesse of some Bishops I am willing to beleeve that our Bishops be no such as those formerly spoken of yet I thinke that they might bee well spared in the House of Lords where they have weaved Spiders webs and hatched Cocatrice egges and therefore under correction deliver my opinion Their roome it better than their company Now to draw to a conclusion of this Preamble and to proceed to the verdicts of the Juries formerly offered whereof the first is Saint Augustine and his fellow Bishops But these Jurors being so many desire that being withdrawne they may have some short time to consider of their inquisition and returne and they will not stay long before they bring their joynt agreeing Verdicts THE TVVELVE IURIES 1 Ancient Fathers 2 Foragine Bishops 3 Foraigne Doctors and Authentique Writers 4 English Bishops 5 English Divines 6 Popes and Cardinals 7 Generall Councels 8 Church Canons and Ecclesiasticall Constitutions 9 Petitions of Lords and Commons in severall Parliaments 10 The Common Lawes and Statutes of this Realm 11 The Edicts of Emperours and Kings 12 Angels Prophets and Apostles ANCIENT FATHERS St. Augustine St. Ambrose St. Hierome St. Origen St. Tertullian St. Gregory Nazianzen St. Chrysostome St. Basil. St. Bernard St. John the Alminer St. Zeno St. Spridian FORRAIGNE BISHOPS AND DIVINES Hincmar Archbishop of Rhemes Waltram Bishop of Naumberge Ivo Bishop of Carnotum Bishop Theodericke à Niem John Calvin the Divine William de Occham Bucer Nicholaus de Clemangiis Petrus Damianus Johannes de Parisiis Aventinus Franciscus à Victoria Hildebert de Turim FORRAIGNE DOCTORS AND Authentique VVriters Albertus Magnus Albertus Pighius Thomas Waldensis Guntherus Ligurianus Cornelius Jansenius Dureus a Jesuite Duarenus George Hiemburge Jacobus Almaine Johannes Maior Marfilius Patavinus Antonius Rosselus Potho ENGLISH BISHOPS St. Aidan St. Anselme St. Thomas Becket B. Thomas Arundell B. Matthew Parker B. Hooper B. Hugh Latimer B. John Elmer B. Thomas Bilson B. John Bridges B. Alley B. Gardener B. Bonner B. John Jewell ENGLISH DIVINES Petrus Blecensis de Bath John Wicliffe William Swinderley William Fish William Tindall Doctor Barnes John Freth Thomas Becon Robert Parsons George Blackwell Nicholas Sanders Fox in his Acts and Monuments POPES AND CARDINALS P. Gregorius P. Damasus P. Nicholas P. Celestine P. Adrianus 4. P. Celestine P. Paulus Ottobanus Legat. Ca. Cusanus Petrus de Aliaco Cardinall of Cameracum Ca. Baronius Ca. Bellarminus GENERALL Councels C. Antioch C. Calcedon C. Carthage 3. C. Carthage 4. C. Carthage 6. C. Constance C. Macrense C. Reginoburg C. Rhemes C. Laodum C. Tours C. Trent CHVRCH CANONS AND Constitutions Gratian Linwood Ivo Carnotensis Johannes Loughconcius Hostiensis Summa Angelica Gregory Silverius Paulus Ottobon London 1268. London 1537. Card. Poole London 1556. Petitions Of Lords and Commons in severall Parliaments in the Reignes of Henry 3. Edward 3. Richard 2. Henry 5. Henry 8. Charles 1. The rest are made up by this present Parliament The Common Lawes and Statutes of this Realme Common Law Regist. pars 1. f. 187. Quia non est consonū Kelway 184. The Iustices say c. Statute Ed. 1. Excluso Clero 14. Ed. 2. Excluso Clero 38. Ed. 3. Excluso Clero 11. Rich. 2. Excluso Clero 10. Ed. 4. Excluso Clero 14. Hen. 8. Excluso Clero 27. H. 8. 34. H. 8. 35. H. 8. 3. E. 6. 6. E. 6. 2. Mary 8. Eliz. The Edicts and Proclamations of Emperours and Kings E. Theodosius E. Honorius E. Justinian E. Hen. 4. K. Bohemia K. Kich 1. K. Henry 3. K. Edw. 1. K. Edw. 2. K. Edw. 3. K. Henry 8. K. Edw. 6. Angels Prophets and Apostles and sacred Writers Moses Josua Samuel Ezekiel Hosea Haggai Matthew Marke Luke John Peter Paul Angels as Bishop Iewel out of Parisiensis Polycronicon and others did pronounce woes to the Church for that by the donation of Lordships and Possessions by Constantine to the Church of Rome poison was powred thereon O let this venome Lordships and Temporalities bee taken away and removed from Episcopacy for it hath well neere poisoned and destroyed it Now I desire to offer two or three words in my owne behalfe Am I become an enemy to Episcopacy because I speake the truth Doe I not rather declare my selfe a wel-wisher if not a firme friend to Episcopacy desiring onely the cure and preservation thereof My voice is not like to that of Edom in the day of Jerusalem Downe with it downe with it even to the ground But the voice of Iudah at the reedifying of the Lords House Grace Grace I meane really spirituall not Lordly titular Grace I doe not say destroy the tree with the fruit thereof but rather destroy it not for there is a blessing in it the fruit is good for meat and the leaves for medicine I am not for eradicating or demolishing but my wish is and it ever shall be my endeavour to repaire the breaches of Sion and renew the beauty of the