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A45471 A view of some exceptions which have been made by a Romanist to the Ld Viscount Falkland's discourse Of the infallibility of the Church of Rome submitted to the censure of all sober Christians : together with the discourse itself of infallibility prefixt to it. Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660.; Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643. Of the infallibility of the Church of Rome. 1650 (1650) Wing H610; ESTC R15560 169,016 207

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