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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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Concerning the opposing of Magistrates by Private persons and the Murthering of Kings by any though under the most specious and Colourable Pretenses Pa. 11. This is All which upon that desperate Crisis of State was said for that Pious and unfortunate Prince the saving of the King being if any Incomparably the least part of the Ministers business Beside that the dethroning of him was more Criminal then the beheading of him And in such a case it would have been no longer a Murther when they should once have voted the Fact to be an Execution of Justice We desire Say they that you would not be too Confident on former successes If God have made you prosper while you were in his way this can be no Warrant for you to walk in ways of your Own P. 12. So that the Old Cause is Gods still to this very day And besides you have e●gaged your selves by an Oath to preserve his Majestys Person and the Priviledges of Parliament and This is most clear that no Necessity can justify Perjury or dispense with Lawfull Oaths Pa. 15. I should be glad to know now how you came to be absolv'd of the Oath of Allegiance or how you can honestly pretend to Stand up for any Interest that renders the King Accountable to his Subjects Ba. Yet if I had taken up Arms against the Parliament in That War my Conscience tells me I had been a Traytor and Guilty of Resisting the Highest Powers Holy Com. Pa. 433. Mo. At This Rate the King was a Traytor on the other side Ba. Why do you cite the Holy Common Wealth so often for I have desired that the Book be taken as non Scriptus Non-Con ●lea 2 d part Pref. Mo. And would not any Malefactor that were deprehended in the manner say as much as this amounts to and wish that the thing might be taken as Non Factum This is rather a Shift then a Retractation And then again it is a wonderfull thing that you should overshoot your self so much upon a Subject that was expresly Suited to the demands and doubts of Th●se Tim●s Holy Com. Pa. 102. That is to say The Restoring of the King was the point then in Agitation and out comes your Book of Aphoris●s expresly to possesse the People against it Ba. If you would have a Recantation more in Form I do here freely Profess that I repent of all that ●●er I thoug●t Sayd Wrote or did since I was Born against the ●●ace of Church or State Against the King his Person or ●●thority as S●preme in himself or as D●●●vative in any of his Officers M●gistrats or any Commissioned by him 2 d Admonition to Bagshaw Pa. 52. Mo. This Mock Repentance is a Trick that will not pass either upon God or Man The Kings Headsman might have Sayd as much and yet account that execrable Office a meritorious work You are at your Fast Sermon again Always Obedient to the Highest Powers but divided somewhere about the Receptacle of the Sovereignty You ask God forgivenesse for all that ever you Thought Sayd Wrote or Did against the King and the Publick-Peace And what signifies This Repentance so long as you persist in maintaining that all the violences acted upon the Person Crown and Dignity of his Sacred Majesty in the Name of the King and Parliament were not AGAINST the King but FOR him This is All but the Hypothesis of a Transgression Lord forgive me all that ever I did amiss That is to say if ever I did any thing amiss But I charge my self with no Particulars Why do ye not Touch the Thesis that you condemn and say This That and tother Aphorisme I Renounce Nay why do ye not Reform and Correct your mistakes and state the matter aright toward the bringing of These people into their Wits again that have been Intoxicated by your false Doctrine and Poyson'd from your very Pulpit Ba. If you Quarrell with my Repentance as not In Particulars enow I answer you that as in the Revocation of the Book I thought it best to Revoke the whole though not as Retracting all the Doctrine of it because if I had named the Particular Passages some would have said I had mentioned too Few and some too many and few would have been satisfi'd Admon to Bagshaw Pag. 53. Mo. You have Mark'd Revoke and Retract with an Emphatical Character to give to Understand that you do not Retract though you do Revoke and you have put them in Italique to shew that there lies a stresse upon Those two Words You Revoke the whole Book you say not as Retracting all the Doctrine of it If by Revoke you mean Call in or Suppr●ss you might as well call back your Breath again as the venome that was diffused by those Aphorisms And then to say that you do not Retract All the Doctrine of it does not necessarily Imply that you Retract any part of it Or if you do your Repentance is yet Frivolous for want of distinguishing the Right from the Wrong that your Disciples may not take the One from the Other Your Apprehension indeed of saying too much or too little if you should come to Particulars is very Reasonable For to please the Lovers to their Prince Church and Countrey you must not leave one Seditious or Schismatical Principle behind ye But then on the other side if you come to pronounce the Levying of Arms the making of a Great Seal and Exercising other Acts of Sovereignty without and against the Kings Commission to be High Treason by the Established Law you are lost to all Intents and Purposes with your own Party So that for fear of disobliging the One side or the Other by Confessing too much or too little you have resolved upon the middle way of confessing just nothing at all Ba. I do Repent again that I no more discouraged the spirit of p●evish Quarrelling with Superiours and Church-Orders and though I ever disliked and opposed it yet that I som●times did too much Encourage such as were of this Temper by speaking too sharply against Those things which I thought to be Church-Corruptions and was too loth to displease the Contentious for fear of being Uncapable of doing them good knowing the Prophane to be much worse then They and meeting with too few Religious persons that were not too much pleased with such Invectives Ibid. Mo. This Clause of Repentance is every jot as much a Riddle to me as the former You did not sufficiently discourage the spirit of Quarrelling with Superiours Which spirit you your self Raised You were a little too sharp upon what you thought to be Church-Corruptions So that here 's a Bit and a Knock You were a little too sharp but it was against Corrup●ions in the Church Your very Repentances are Calumnies But you were willing to oblige a Contentious Religious Party that was pleased with Invectives you could have done
other Places And then the boldnesse and Importunity of the Dividers encrease the necessity of the Injunction If you have forgotten the Common Votes and Addresse of Feb 25. 1662. upon This Subject Pray let me remember you of them Resolved c. Nemine Contradicente That the humble Thanks of This House be returned to his Majesty for his Resolution to maintain the Act of Vniformity Resolved c. That it be presented to the Kings Majesty as the humble Advise of the House that no Indulgence be granted to the dissent●● from the Act of Vniformity For these Reasons 1. It will establish Schisme by a Law amd make the 〈◊〉 Government of the Church Precaeious and the Censures of it of no moment or Consideration at all 2. It will no way become the Gravity or Wisdome of a Parli●ment to passe a Law at One Session for Vniformity and 〈◊〉 the next Session the Reasons of Vniformity continuing still the Same to passe Another Law to frustrate or Weaken the Execution of it 3. It will expose your Majesty to the Restlesse Importunity of every Sect or Opinion and of every single person also who shal presume to Dissent from the Church of England 4. It will be a cause of encreasing Sects and Sectaries 〈◊〉 Numbers will weaken the true Protestant Religion so far th●t it will at least be difficult for it to defend it self against the● And which is yet further Considerable those Numbers which by being Troublesome to the Government find they can arrive to 〈◊〉 Indulgence will as their Numbers encrease be yet more Troub●●some that so at length they may arrive to a General Toleration which your Majesty hath declar'd against and in time some pre●●lent Sect will at last contend for an Establishment which for 〈◊〉 can be fore-seen may end in Popery 5. It is a thing altogether without Precedent and will take away all means of Convicting Recusants and be inconsistent with the Method and Proceedings of the Laws of England Lastly It is humbly conceived that the Indulgence Proposed will be so far from tending to the Peace of the Kingdome that it is rather likely to Occasion great Disturbance And on the Contrary that the Asserting of the Laws and the Religion Established according to the Act of Uniformity is the most probable means to produce a settled Peace and Obedience throughout your Kingdome Because the Variety of Professions in Religion when openly divulged doth directly distinguish men into Parties and withall gives them opportunity to count Their Numbers which considering the Animosities that out of a Religious Pride will be kept on foot by the severall Factions doth tend directly and Inevitably to open disturbance Nor can your Majesty have any security that the Doctrine or Worship of the severall Factions which are all govern'd by a severall Rule shall be Consistent with the Peace of your Kingdome And if any Persons shall presume to disturb the Peace of the Kingdome We do in all Humility d●clare that we will for ever and in all Occasions be ready with our utmost Endeavours and Assistance to adhere to and serve your Majesty according to our bounden Duty and Allegiance Only one Word more and That must be to tax you with Infinite Ingratitude in saying that Parliaments for ought you know never did any thing for your Relief or Ease what do ye think of the Act of Indemnity I beseech ye Was it Nothing to give you your Lives Liberties and Estates again when all was Forfeited Nay and it is come to that Point now too that those very Instruments that were forgiven by the King for the Ruin of the Church and Three Kingdoms will not at this day forgive his Majesty for Endeavouring according to the Advice of his Parliament to Re-establish and Preserve them Ri. If you would understand us aright you must repair to our Declarations Professions Commissions National Oaths and Covenants and the Like Ho Com. Pag. 477. And pray Observe the Tenor of our Stile Addresse Protestations and other Proceedings Your Majesties most Humble and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons Dec. 14. 1641. Most Humble and Faithf●●● Subjects Dec. 15. Most Humble and Obedient Subjects Exact Collections ●a 2. Mo. And now put That Libellous Remonstrance of Dec. 15. in the Scale against Three or Four Words of Course of the same date Ri. The Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons your Faithful and Loyall Subjects c. Ibid. Pa 44. Dec. 31. 1641. Mo. This was a Message to his Majesty for a Guard which the King most graciously offer'd them but One of his Chusing it seems would not do the Businesse Ri. Your most faithful and Obedient Subjects the Lords and Commons in this Present Parliament c. Ibid. Pa. 65. Jan. 29. Mo. They Petition'd to have the Tower of London and all oeher Forts and the whole Militia of the Kingdom to be FORTHWITH put into the hands of such Persons as both Houses should Recommend c Ex. Coll. Jan. 29. 1641. And what did his Majesty now get by the Complement Ri. Your Humble and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ibid. Feb. 22. 1641. Pa. 80. Mo. His Majesties Humble and Loyal Subjects are pleas'd to declare in this Petition that if the King does not Instantly grant them their Petition about the Militia they are bound by the Laws of God and man to take the Militia into their own hands Ri. Your Majesties most Loyal and Obedient Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. Mar. 1. 1641. Pa. 92. Mo. In this Petition they threaten to dispose of the Militia by the Authority of the Two Houses They Order his Majesty where to dispose of his Person and absolutely deny the Kings Pow●● of the Militia but by Authority and consent of Parliament Ri. Your most Dutyful and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. 138. Apr. 1642. Your Majesties most Loyal and Faithful Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. Apr. 8. 1642. Pa. 141. Mo. Very Good And the Former of These was for Leave to remove the Magazin at Hull to the Tower of London And the Other was to divert the King from going into Ireland to supptesse the Irish Rebellion which had certainly been done and to tell him that if he went contrary to the Advice of his Parliament They were resolved in his Absence not to submit to any Commissioners he should appoint but to preserve and Govern the Kingdome by the Counsell and Advice of Parliament c. Ri. Your Majesties Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons in his Parliament Ibid. 258. May 1642. Mo. Here His Majesties Loyal Subjects presse the King to disband his Troops at York or otherwise they 'le take the Quiet of the Kingdome into their own Care And passe These following Votes Resolved upon the Question 1. That it appears that the King seduced
Constitution of Churches the Powers of Princes and Pastors in Eccclesiastical Matters and Cases of Lawful Separation he makes a Sally without any manner of Connexion or Provocation into the State and Right of the War Pa. 123. He charges it upon a Faction among the Bishops and the falling in of the Majority of the Parliaments to the Popular part of them in That division which is a Calumny as remote from the Subject of his Discourse as it is from Truth If it had been as he woud have it how comes the whole Order of Bishops to be Assaulted Their Persons Affronted and their Votes in Parliament taken away without distinction Was the Feud so deadly as to make them destroy Themselves and Ruine the whole Hierarchy in Revenge How came it to pass that Bishop Hall a Person Celebrated even by Mr Baxter himself for his Piety and Moderation How came This Reverend Prelate I say te be so Coursly handled by the Corporation of the Smectymnuans Marshall Calamy Young Newcomen and Spurstow and Treated by Five of the most Eminent men of the Par●y with Scurrilitys fitter for the Priests of Priapus then the Ministers of the Gospell Pa. 124. He goes on with his Remarks upon Bishop Laud over and over The Book of Sports on the Lords day the business of Altars Rayls and Bowing towards them Afternoon-Sermons and Lectures put down Imprisonments Stigmatisings Removals c. And then Pa. 125. He p●oceeds to the new Liturgy Imposed on the Scots c. But says he a little below we are Vnwilling to be the Mentioners of any More then Concerneth our Present Cause and the Things are Commonly known Which is such a way of Mentioning no more as gives to understand without speaking all the Ill Imaginable that was Left unsaid Methinks Mr. Baxter might have let This most Reverend Pious Loyal and ANTIPAPAL Arch-Bishop have slept quietly in ●is Grave and out of pure Gratitude to our Present Sovereign to whose Mercy this very Gentleman owes his Life setting aside the Veneration that belongs to Majesty and Truth M●thinks Mr. Baxter might have spared this L●bell ander the Government of the Son against the Administrations of the Father But it is no new thing ●or Criminals to Arraign Innocents or for Those that a●e Pardon'd for Subverting the Government to shoot th●ir Arrows ●v●n ●itter Words against Those that h●ve been Persecuted and Murther'd for Endeavouring to defend it And now after all Thes● Imputations upon the King the Church and the Loyall Party ●v●n to the Degree of making them A●swera●le for all the Blood that has been spilt We must not so much as presume to say that we are Innocent But every Vindication of the King the Church and the Law from the Insults of the Common Enemy is exclaimed against as an Inrode upon the Act of Indemnity If Mr. Baxter will needs be laying the R●b●llion at the wrong d●or and Discharging the Presbyterians Why m●y not any Honest man Reply upon him and say in agreement with Mr. Baxter himself Non-Conformists Plea I. Part. Pa. 127. that it was the Solemn League and Covenant that did the work Which Solemn League was not only an Expr●sse Oath of Allegianc● to Presbytery but to the most Tyrannical of all Presbyteri●s Th●t of t●e Scottish Kirk it self But why do I call it an Oath of Allegiance to Presbytery When it was in Truth a direct Conjuration against the Government both Ecclesiastical and Civil for the Introducing of it It would be Tedious and Superfluous to Crowd all the Particulars of This Pamphlet into a Preface so that I shall rather refer the Reader to the Book for the rest where he may compare Mr. Baxter with himself for it is Effectually but an Abstract out of Mr. Baxter's Writings By the Paradoxes Disagreements and Contradictions he will be able to Iudge of the Authour and by the Authour in a great Measure of the Party He that would see them drawn more to the Life may repair to the Original of our Saviours for the Pharisees in the Gospell Examin them Narrowly and you shall not find so much as the semblance of a Colourable Argument but they are still changing their Battery and Pretense according to the various Accidents and dispositions of State and it is but tracing the History of the Late times to find every Round of the Ladder that advanc'd them from Petitioners to Rulers They Plead the Cause of Thousands in the Land they tell us and yet there 's not a Single man in all Those Thousands that understands one bit of the Controversy They cry aloud against Idolatry Superstition Abominations Symbolical Ceremonies Will-Worship Humane Inventions and Order their Disciples just as they do their Children They dresse up a Terrible thing of Clouts and call it a Bull-begger which is no other then a Mormo of their own Creating They have a certain Routin of Words and Sayings that have the tone of Magique in the very Sound of them and serve only without any other Meaning like the Drum and the Trumpet to rouse up the Multitude to Battle But the Lords Ordinance and the Primitive Pattern stand them in Mighty stead For though they have been Foyld as often as Encountred upon This Question yet the very Terms of the Controversy being is good as Syriack to the Common people there is a Mist cast before their Eyes and they are never in so good time to see Visions as when they are stark blind To Conclude I have exposed these She●●s to the ●●●●ck rather as Mr. Baxters work then my own If 〈…〉 it was none of my Fault that my Authour would not me 〈…〉 Nor have I any more to say upon the whole matter but that I have been as fair to Mr. Baxter as He hath been to Himself A DIALOGUE c. Moderator Richard and Baxter Moderator YEs yes I remember the Conference at the Savoy perfectly well by This Token that Dr. Gunning and Dr. Pearson the Bishops of Ely and Chester deliver'd you this very Proposition That Command which Commandeth an Act in it self Lawfull and no other Act whereby any unjust Penalty is enjoyned nor any Circumstance whence directly or per accidens any Sin is Consequent which the Commander ought to provide against hath in it all things requis●●● to the Lawfulnesse of a Command and particularly cannot be guilty of commanding an Act per accidens Unlawfull nor of Commanding an Act under an Unjust Penalty B of Worcesters Letter in his Vindication against M. Baxter P. 36. Ri. Very Good and I gave them under my hand my Opinion to the Contrary Because said I the fi●st Act commanded may be per accidens Unlawful and be Commanded by an Vnjust Penalty tho' no other Act or Circumstance Commanded be such Ibid. Pa. 36. Ba. Nay hold you Brother I 'm of another Opinion If the thing Commanded be such as is simply ill and forbidden us by God in all Cases whatsoever then no ones Commands can
Baxter professe to have in several of your Writings to entertain yet very Reverend Thoughts of the Pybald Assembly His Late Majesty had quite another Opinion of them See his Proclamation Inhibiting the Assembly of Divines an● others Summoned to Westminster by an Ordinance of Both Houses of Parliament Bibliotheca Regia P. 328. Iun. 22. 1643. Whereas there hath been a long time a desperate and Seditious design amongst diverse Factious persons to alter the whole Frame Constitution and Government of this Church so long and so happily Established within this Kingdome in pursuance whereof they have discountenanceed and in a manner suppressed the Book of Common Prayer settled by Law driven away Imprisoned Removed very many Learned Orthodox Godly Divines and Ministers from their Cures for discharging their duty and Conscience in Preaching and in their places without the least colour or shadow of Lawfull Authority have Instituted or Deputed mean Factious Persons Unqualify'd with Learning or Virtue to corrupt and poyson the minds of our Good Subjects with Principles of reason and Rebellion and have seized the Rents and Revenues of our Bishops Deans and Chapters for their own private Lucre or Benefit and for the Maintenance of the Army in Rebellion against us Pray Observe my Friends that this was before the Scots were call'd in and the work of men too in Opposition to the Church I come now to your Apostolical Assembly Since These bloudy distempers and when so many Armies are on Foot in several parts of the Kingdom a Bill hath been presented to us for the Calling of an Assembly of such Divines as are mentioned in the said Bill the far greater part whereof are men of no Reputation or Learning and eminently disaffected to the Government of the Church of England and very many of them are persons who have openly pr●ached Rebellion and incited the People to take up Armes against us and so are not like to be proper Instruments of Peace in Church or State which Bill having many Claus●s in it very derogatory to our Honour and Iust Rights and very Scandalous to the Reformed Protestant Religion not so much as any part being left to Us either in the Choice of the Persons or in Adjo●rning or Dissolving the Assembly Bib. Regia Pa. 329. What do you think now of the Worthy Assembly your Men of sound and Loyall Principles of Government and Obedience These are the Men that you declare your selves Resolved to stand or fall by and out of your own mouths a Man may warrant This Assertion that you are no better Friends to This King then that Parliament and that Assembly were to the La●● Methinks This Testimony of his Late Majesty against your designes and Proceedings should move your Consciences and stare you in the Faces as if it were his Ghost You would have the world believe that the Covenant was never Imposed but that people might take it or let it alone as they pleased That the Assembly silenced no body forced nothing and that Presbytery was only as a Tolerated or Intended thing c. Now how great an Abuse this is upon That part of the Nation that does not know the story will appear out of the Memorials of These Times under the Authority of the Faction it self The Lords and Commons took the Vow and Covenant Iun. 6. 1643. Husbands Collections Fol. 203. and thought fit to have it taken by the Ar●ie● and Kingdome Ibid. Arch-Bishop of Canterbu●●●● Temporal Livings Dignities and Ecclesi●st●●●● P●●motions Sequestered Iune 10. 1143. 〈…〉 for calling an Assembly of Learned 〈…〉 Thirty of the Layety in the Commission Iune 24. 208. An Order for Ministers upon the Fast-day to pray for a blessing on this Assembly Iune 27.43 The Assembly Petitions Both Houses for a Fast and the removing of Blind Guides and Scandalous Ministers destroying Monuments of Idolatry c. Iuly 10. 19●3 Fol. 240. An Order for Divines that attend the Assembly to go into the Country to stir up the people to rise for their Defense Aug. 10. 1643. Fol. 285. An Ordinance for taking away of Superstitious Monuments Aug. 28. 1643. Fol. 307. An Ordinance to examine Witnesses against Scandalous Ministers Sep. 6. 164● Fol. 311. Souldiers to take the Covenant Octob. 10 Fol. 359. An Order for the Assembly of Divines to treat of a Discipline and Government the present to be abo●ished and to prepare a Directory Octo. 1● 16●● 〈…〉 An Order for returning the Names of such as take not the Covenant to the House of Commons Nov. 30. 1643. Fol. 390. An Order for diverse persons to take the Covenant at Margarets Westminster Dec. 12. 1643. Fol. 399. An Ordinance disabling any person within the City of London from any place of Trust that shall not take the Covenant Dec. 20. 1643. Fol. 404. An exhortation for taking the Covenant c. Feb. 9. 1644. Fol. 422. An Order for taking it throughout the Kingdomes of England and Scotland with Instructions Feb. 9. 1644. Fol. 420. A Second Order for demolishing Superstitious Monuments May 9. 1644. Fol. 487. An Order for none to Preach but Ordained Ministers except allowed by Both Houses of Parliament May 6. 1645. Fol. 646. An Order for putting the Directory in Execution Aug. 11. 1645. Fol. 715. Severall Votes for choice of Elders throughout all England and Wales Feb. 20. 1646. Fol. 809. An Order for taking the Negative Oath and National Covenant Iun. 2. 1646. Fol. 889. An Order for putting the Orders of Church-Government in execution Iun. 9. 1646. Fol. 889. An Order for dividing the County of Lancashire into 9. Classes Octob. 2. 1646 Fol. 919. An Order for Abolishing Arch-Bishops and Bishops and settling their Lands upon Trustees for the use of the Common-Wealth Octob. 9. 1646. Fol. 992. An Order for the speedy dividing and settling of several Counties of This Kingdome into distinct Classical Presbyteries and Congregational Elderships Ian. 19. 1647. Scobells Acts 139. The Form of Church-Government to be used in the Church of England and Ireland agreed upon by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament after Advice had with the Assembly of Divines Aug. 29. 1648. Fol. 165. By this time I hope you are satisfy'd that it was a Presbyterian War according to the very Letter Or if the Nonconformists did not begin the War pray'e who bid Ri. Our Calamities began in Differences about Religion and still That 's the wound that most needs Closing c R. B's Fast Sermon 1660. p. 41. Ba. Do not you know that write about the Cause that the War was not founded in Theologicall differences but in Law differences R. B's Letter to Mr. Hi●ckly p. 25. Ri. The first open beginning was the Militia Non. Conf. Plea p. 126. Ba. I know how unsatisfy'd many are concerning the Lawfullnesse of the War I cannot yet perceive by any thing which they object but that we undertook our Defence upon warrantable
make it Lawfull But if it it be a thing that is only Inconvenient or Unlawful by some Lesser accident then the Command of Authority may pre-ponderate as a more weighty Accident R. B's Church-Divisions P. 194. Nay Many a Ruler sinneth in his Commands when it is no Sin but a Duty of the Inferior to Obey them As if a Magistrate Command Religious Duties in meer Policy or if he force a Lawful Command with Unlawful Penalties and Yet it will be the Subjects Duty to Obey Ibid. Nor is any Ruler bound to suspect and prevent such Unusual Dangers of mens Sin or Ruine as fall out beyond all Rational Foresight or Expectation of whose Probable Event or Possible at least there was no just Evidence R. B's Non-Conformists Iudgment P. 60. Mo. Your Argument Mr. Richard has cut off all Magistracy at a Blow For there is not any Command Imaginable that falls not within the Reach of your Exception And Mr. Baxter is in the Right on 't But what do ye think now Gentlemen of the Operation or further Extent of such a Power Ri. If you mean as to matters concerning Religion No man 〈◊〉 any Authority to make Laws about Gods Worship but 〈◊〉 Christ hath given him Non-Conformists Plea 2d Part. P. 28. Ba. Pray'e hold me a little Excus'd There too for we renounce the Opinion of them that hold that Circa Sacra the King hath no Power to Command the Circumstances of Worship N●●-Conformists Plea Part 2 d. P. 73. Mo. There is but a Right and a Wrong in the case my Masters and you have hit them both again I make no doubt on 't but your Circa Sacra comprehends Liturgies Ceremonies and other Circumstances of Order relating to the Church pray'e tell me how your Consciences stand affected that way Not as to the Merits of the Cause for the world is allready clogg'd with That Controversy but I would willingly know what thoughts You and the Party you plead for entertain of our Ecclesiastical matters Ri. When the King call'd us to signify our desires in 1660. the Ministers of London were commonly invited to come to Sion Colledge that their Common Consent might be known And There we agreed to desire or offer nothing for Church-Government but A.B. Ushers Modell of the Primitive Episcopal Government When his Majesty would not grant us That Modell nor the Bishops once Treat about it he was pleased in his Gratious Declaration about Ecclesiastical Affairs to offer and prescribe the Episcopacy of England as it stood with little alteration c. A Government says his Majesty Fol. 10. Which is established by Law and with which the Monarchy hath flourished through so many Ages and which is in truth as ancient in this Island as the Christian Monarchy thereof This Declaration we Ioyfully and thankfully accepted as a ●opefull means of a Common Conformity and Concord Non-Con's Plea 2d Part Pref. Ba. The English Prelacy I tell you is the product of proud Ambition and Arrogancy and contrary to the expresse Command of Christ. R. B's Five Disputations P. 45. Bishops are Thorns and Thistles and the Military Instruments of the Devil R. B's Concord P. 122. How could you ●ustify then a Submission to such a Prelacy Mo. If an Angel from Heaven I perceive were employ'd to bring 〈◊〉 two to an Agreement he shoul● lose his Labo●r Fo● That which is highly acceptable to the One and the hopefull Foundation of a Common Concord is Ant●christian Diaboli●al and Uns●fferable to the Other You a●e up I find at every Turn with the 〈◊〉 Projectpunc and in such a manner too as if the most ●●●●onable thing in the World ●ad been offer'd o● the One 〈◊〉 and refused on the Other Whereat That 〈◊〉 was 〈◊〉 accommodated to the ●ard 〈…〉 the Kings Affairs at the time of Framing 〈…〉 any man in a case of Extremity 〈…〉 of an Arm ●r a Leg for the 〈…〉 yet he a very strange request to ask a man in a state of Freedome and Safety to part with a Leg or an Arm from his Body And as wild a thing on the other side to Grant it But the very offer at it under a pretense of Conscience was highly disingenuous especially when upon the Issue the Scruple was remov'd by the Ref●sal and This Satisfaction given to the world by your own Acknowledgment that Conformity and Episcopacy may stand well enough together when you please Ri. I c●nnot deny but that ma●y proposed to have yi●lded to Prelacy Liturgy and Ceremonies Non-Con Plea Part I. P. 136. Ba. Why truly a Certain Episcopacy may be yielded to for the Peace if not for the Right Order of the Church But the Diocesan Episcopacy which was lately in England and is now laid by may not be lawfully reassumed or readmitted as a means for the Right Order or Peace of the Church R. B's Five Disputation P. 2. 1659. A Government which gratif●eth the Devil and wicked men Ibid. P. 36. Mo. Still upon the Contradiction But if they were so well dispos'd to come In what was it I beseech you that put them off again Ri. When they saw the New Act for Uniformity th●ir Deliberations were at an End Ibid. P. 26. Ba. After proving Prelacy to be against the ●ill of Christ and the Wellfare of the Churches Five Disp. Pref. 1● and contrary to the word of God and Apostolical Institution Ibid P. 51. what need was there then of any further Disswasion Mo. Pray'e tell me Mr. Richard Was Prelacy Lawfull Before the Act for Uniformity and not After You are Angry at the One and therefore you Renounce the Other for it was no longer Prelacy Liturgy or Ceremonies it seems that you boggled at but the New Act. Now since you your selves were convinc'd that such a Conformity as aforesaid would have been Warrantable and only transfer'd your Exceptions to the New Act how comes it that you go on still decrying the State Rites and Offices of the Church to the Multitude and make That a matter of Conscience in One breath which you left at Liberty in Another The Uniformity does not alter the case one jot to the Common People but the Layety may as lawfully submit to Prelacy Liturgy and Ceremonies After the Act as they did before Ri. The People who now adhere to the Non-Conformists who were at age before the Wars had very hard thoughts of the Bishops Persons and some of Episcopacy it self because of the Silencing of Ministers and ruining of Honest men about Sundays-sports Reading That Book and other su●h things beside Nonconformity c. Non-Con Plea Part I. P. 139. Mo. the Bishops and Episcopacy it self you say were thought hardly of partly for S●lencing your Mi●isters Which was yet a way of proceeding Conformable to the directions of the Law and in part among Other Provocations for the Book of Sports upon the Lords day Be it spoken
very Order of Aug. 10. 1643. For the Assembly-Divines to 〈◊〉 the People to rise for their Defence There is another person also who is engaged i● This present Controversy to whom I would gladly Recommend a due Consideration of this following Extract When Kings Command Unrighteous things and people suit them with willing Commplyance none doubts but the destruction of them both is Just and Righteous A Fast Sermon to the House of Commons Ian. 31. 1648. Pa. 5. He that is Entrusted with the Sword and dares not do Justice on every one that dares do Jnjustice is affraid of the Creature but makes very bold with the Creator Pa. 15. The Kings of the Ea●th have given their Power to Anti Christ. How have they earn'd their Titles Eldest Son of the Chuach The Catholick and most Christian King Defender of the Faith and the Like Hath it not been by the Bloud of Saints is there not in every corner of These Kingdomes the Slain and the Banish'd ones of Christ to Answer for A Fast Sermon of Apr. 19. 1649. Pa. 22. Do not the Kings of all these Nations stand up in the Room of their Progenitors with the same Implacable Enmity to the Power of the Gospel Pa. 22. There are Great and Mighty Works in hand in this Nation Tyrants are punish'd the Jaws of Oppressors are broken bloudy Revengefull people in Wars disappointed A Thanksgiving Sermon for the Scots defeat at Worcester Octo 24. 1651. P. 2. What is This Prelacy A meer Antichristian Encroachment upon the Inheritance of Christ Pa. 5. A Monarchy of some hundred years continuance allways affecting and at length wholly degenerated into Tyranny destroy'd pull'd down Swallow'd up a great mighty Potentate that had caused terrour in the Land of the Living and laid his Sword under his head brought to Punishment for Blood P. 6. If any persons in the World had cause to sing the Song of Moses and the Lamb We have this day The Bondage prepared for us was both in Spirituals and Temporalls about a Tyrant full of Revenge and a Discipline full of Persecution hath been our Contest whether the Yoke of the One and the Other should by the Sword and Violence be put upon our Necks and Consciences is our Controversy Pa. 7. Is it not a Prodigious boldness for such Spirits as These to obtrude themselves either upon the Government or the People as men of Scruple and the most competent Agents for the Promoting of Vnity and Peace And you your self Mr. Baxter have not been out neither at this great work of Reforming Confusion as your own Confessions in some measure but your Conversation and Writings do Abundantly bear Witness Mr. Richard here I must confess furnishes you with a Salvo that Ignatious Loyola himself would have blush'd at You were ever True to the King you say but you did not know Who was King Some would have him to be where he was NOT and Others would not allow him to be where he WAS. Sir This doctrine might have done well enough in a Pulpit at Coventry when you were helping the Lord against the Mighty but from such a Restauration Sermon the Lord deliver us There is first not one word of Restoring the King in 't though it was a Fast that had a Particular Regard to That Debate 2. It Asserts the Loyalty of the Presbyterians and yet at the same time supposes the Supreme Power in the Two Houses which in few words makes the Late King both a Subject and with Reverence a Rebell 3. The Setling of the Presbytery for that 's allways the English of their SOUND DOCTRINE and CHURCH GOVERNMENT Pa. 46. is violently prest as the first thing to be done Give FIRST to God the Things that are Gods 43. with a Pharisaical Ostentation of the Conscionable Prudent Godly People of the Land Pa. 46. in opposition to the Prophane You could not do any thing in the world more to obstruct his Majestys Return and yet you are pleased to make this Sermon an Instance of your Zeal to advance it Ri· The Parliament did not raise War against the Person or Authority of the King nor did I ever serve them on any such Account but to defend themselves against the Kings Mis-guided will Holy Common-Wealth Pa. 476. Their Commissions all that ever I saw were for King and Parliament We had Two Protestations and a Solemn League and Covenant Impos'd upon the Nation to be for King and Parliament And if D●cla●ations Professions Commissions and National Oaths and Covenants will not tell us what the cause of the War was th●n there is no Discovery Ibid. Pa. 477. Mo. These Commissions Oathes and Covenants tell you the Pretext of the War but you must go to their Proceedings and Practices to find the Cause of it The Two Houses Seize the Kings Towns Magazins Forts and Shipping They violently take the Militia into their own hands Vote an Ordinance of Both Houses as binding as an Act of Parliament Declare his Majestys Commissions Voyd Issue out Orders for Securing the Kingdome Vote the Maintaining of a War and the Seizing of his Majestys Magazins Sequester the Church and Crown Revenues and justify all these Injuries as done in pursuance of their Protestations and Covenants and This is your way now of being FOR the King Suppose that any man had beaten you and Plundred ye and Imprison'd ye and abus'd your Friends for your sake and a body should tell you all this while that this man was FOR Mr. Baxter If you were really for the King why would not For the King according to the Oath of Allegiance do the businesse as well as For the King according to the Covenant Or how came you to Alienate your self from his Majesties Iurisdictino and to turh Subject to the Two Houses Who Absolv'd you from the One Oath or who Authoris'd you in the Other or when you found that the King in the Covenant clash'd with the King in the Oath of Allegeance why did you not rather comply with the Law then with the Usurpation For it is Impossible to be True to both Interests under so manifest an Opposition You see the Colour of the War and I shall not need to tell you that the Cause of it was Ambition of Dominion which was exercised to the highest degree of Tyranny Ri. If a People that by Oath and Duty are obliged to a Sovereign shall sinfully dispossess him and contrary to their Covenants chuse and Covenant with Another they may be obliged by their Latter Covenants notwithstanding the Former Holy-Common-Wealth Pag. 188. Ba. That cannot be my Friend for we hold it Impious and Papal to pretend to absolve Subjects from their Oaths to their Sovereign Holy Com. Pa. 359. It is not in Subjects Power by Vows to with-draw themselves from Obedience to Authority Non-Confor Plea P. 213. Mo. But why can ye not now
these Twenty years against the King or State Unless it be our Crime to live under Reproach and Scorn and Poverty and sometime Imprisonments and never once so much as Petition a Parliament either to Pitty us or to Hear us once Speak for our Selves c. Ibid. If any Odd persons or whosoever have said or done any thing against the King or Kingdome or their Neighbours Right or Peace or have been Guilty of any Fraud Drunkennesse Perjury or Immorality besides their Vnavoidable Non-conformity let them be punisht as the Law requires but let not the Innocent yea Thousands be Slandered and Designed to Destruction for Them Ibid. Mo. If you Speak of the Nonconformists they have justifi'd from Sixty to Eighty all the Indignities that were put upon the Government from Forty to Sixty and there is not any one Seditious or Schismatical Principle of the Old Stamp which they have not afresh Reviv'd and Recommended to the People And for the Moderation you boast of I dare be answerable to produce almost as many Hundreds of Clamorous Libels against A●thority from the Dissenting Party as you reckon Years of Silence and Forbearance But these are ODD Persons you say and so is every Dissenter in the Kingdom for Ten Millions of men are but as so many Individuals when disencorporate and L●pp'd off from the Body If I durst be so bold Sir I should venture to say that Mr. Baxter himself is one of the ODDEST persons that I know in the whole Party You have First a Perswasion to your self for you are neither a Presbyterian nor an Independent nor an Anabaptist nor of any Tribe of the Division that ever yet had a Nam● to be known by but a pure Original and a ●●ristian of your own making You have Secondly as Peculiar a Conscience too that had rather leap a Precipice then keep the Kings high-way It rises and falls like a Weather-Glasse upon Change of Ayre and makes St. Paul blow Hot or Cold at pleas●re Let every soul be Subject to the Higher Powers requires Obedience to Dick Cromwell upon pain of Damnation and Disobedience to Charles the First upon the same penalty as we have had it already And then you have this further Advantage Sir that you are your own King and your own Pope you Prescribe your own Laws and Grant your own Pardons Ba. You may prate as long as you will I am against the Imposing of Mystical Ceremonies as Crossing or Surplice c. Five Disp. Pa. 467. For to Impose new Symbolicall Rites upon the Church which Christ hath not Imposed doth seem to me an Vsurpation of his Sovereign Power Ibid. And to accuse Christ of Ignorance or Negligence in that he himself hath not Imposed them And so doth it Imply an Accusation of his Laws and of the Holy Scriptures as if they were Insufficient Ibid. 468. And These Impositions seem to be plain Violations ●f These Prohibitions of God in which we are forbidden to Add to his Worship or diminish FROM IT 469. And moreover God hath allready given us so perfect a Directory for his Worship that there is nothing more that we can reasonably desire Ib. 481. Ri. Now for my part I am for the Amiable way Christians should not be Over-busy in Prying into the work of their Governours nor too forward to suspect their d●terminations The Duty of Obeying them being Certain and the Sinfulnesse of the thing Commanded being Uncertain and Unknown and only Suspected we must go on the surer side Ibid. 484. In disobeying the Lawfull Commands of our Superiours we disobey Christ. Ibid. 485. Beside that Disobedience in matters of Circumstance will exclude and Overthrow the Substance of the Worship it self Pa. 486. POSTSCRIPT To the Reader MR. Baxter has certainly given in this Extract the 〈◊〉 blow to the Non-conformists that ever they 〈◊〉 For there are no Arguments against That Party like their 〈…〉 against Themselves To the clearest Evidences of 〈◊〉 and Reason they 'le oppose Clamour and Passion 〈◊〉 make a shift to wriggle themselves Off and On with 〈◊〉 drawn Texts and Riddling distinctions But when the very 〈◊〉 of That Interest comes to play Fast and Loose and shift 〈◊〉 Conscience with the Season the Masque is then taken off 〈◊〉 there can be no Denyal of the Fact so there can be no 〈◊〉 the Hypocrisy How comes Toleration to be a Sin under 〈◊〉 Presbyterians and a Duty under the Bishops How comes it 〈◊〉 be Damnation in the case of the Late King and Richard 〈◊〉 well to Obey the Former and destroy the Latter Even 〈◊〉 to Mr. Baxters own Exposition which is that by St. 〈◊〉 Higher Powers is Intended Those in Actual Poss●ssion How 〈◊〉 Bishops to be Antichristian at one time and Warrantable at 〈◊〉 Or the Civil Magistrate to have more power in 〈◊〉 matters under an Vsurper then under a Lawful 〈◊〉 How comes an Episcopal Vniformity to be more a Persecution 〈◊〉 a Presbyterian Or a Common Prayer-Book more Intolerable 〈◊〉 a Directory What can more expose the Credit of the 〈◊〉 then this double-dealing in the Foreman of the Party to 〈◊〉 Mr. Baxter Lye down in One Opinion and Rise in Another 〈◊〉 Accomodating his Scruples to every Crisis of State And Consummate the Iniquity of the Pretense He has no soone● veigled the People into a Schisme but he presently 〈◊〉 with a Plat-form of Sedition and having wrought a 〈◊〉 from the Ecclesiastical he falls to work in his Cases and 〈◊〉 upon the Foundations of the Civill Government The End The Proposition at the Savoy about the command of lawful Superiours Richards Resolution ●●●●er his hand Baxter of another opinion Many Commands anlawful which the subject ought yet to obey No Rule● is bound ●o provide against Events not to be foreseen Magistracy cut off at a blow The Civil Power must not make Laws about Gods Worship But Baxter says that Circa Sacra he may Richard and Baxter still at variance Richards Account of the Savoy-Conference Vshers Primitive Episcopacy offer'd but rejected The English Episcopacy submitted to by Richard c But held Antichristian and Diabolica● by Baxter Richard and Baxter never 〈◊〉 ●e reconcil'd The Ground of A.B. Vsher Project of Episcopacy Many would have yielded to Prelacy c The Diocesan Episcopacy gratifies the Devil says Baxter and not to be re-admitted R. and B. still Clashing The New Uniformity spoil d all Prelacy Unlawful in it s●lf says Baxter Why not Prelacy as ●awful after the Act as before It is the same case still to the People Hard thoughts of Epi●copacy and Bishops and upon what groun●● A Gr●●ter Scandall to tr●vell upon the Lords day then to give theKing ba●●le Richard Confesses that the Mini●ters gu●ded the peo●le and says that the Non-conformists undertook for the next Bishops good behaviour The Quarrel not to the Office of Bishops but to the persons Richard● Reasons why the People sell from the Chu●ch again The
Uniformi●y made Episcopacy and Common-p●ayer unlawf●ll 'T is the Law that Silences an● not the Bishops Non-Conformists silence themselves Berter particulars suffer then 〈◊〉 Order o●●●vernment be dissolved Richard ag●ees with Dr Reynolds 〈◊〉 conform'd Richard pleads altogether for Love Ba●ters way of e●pressing ●ichard against rash ●●nsuring 〈…〉 Baxter ag●inst Rich●rd Mr Ba●ters Cha●ity to the Clergy and discip●ine of ●he Chu●ch His brotherly Love Church ann State arraign d. Richard and Baxter of two quite different spirits The persecuted are the perssecutors Be sure first of what spirit ●he Non-Confo●mists are The spirit of the Non-Conformists His Late Majesties Judgement Experience upon it The spirit that Richard pl●ads ●or Richards ●oleration Who are the Judges the Government or the People Modest Dissenters deserve pity The Dispute is not Scruple but Power Plain dealing Richard puts the Case of a Saint and a Schismatick Baxters Saints Baxter sully resolved to go to them that dy'd in Rebellion He joys to think what Company he shall have Baxter says that Professors will rail and lye c. But that neither Perjury drunkennesse Incest Concubines nor Idols can make them dotoriously ungodly The Saints that are cast out for hereticks Either Tolerate All or None but upon a Penalty No men must be Tolerated if no Errour Baxter shews the Inconveniences of Toleration Pride makes one mans Religion Faction anothe●s Which ends in bloud And yet pass●● for doing God good service And the motion of the spirit Enthusiastick zea● Dotage●●a●en fo● Re●elations Scripture the Ru●e But who must expound it One mans Faith must not Impose upon anot●ers Mistake will not justifie the Errour nor ex●use a Disobedience Men will be zealous even in Errour More zeal then understanding is not good None so fierce and bold as ●he Ignorant Even Teachers themselves are false Guides M● Baxter himself has been mistaken Ill luck with his Aphorisms How Richard was wheedled in i. e. he was reconci ' d to the Church Richards best Christians found to ●e Schismaticks Great m●n misled and why not 〈…〉 Believe not every spirit T●e Dissenters Cause is still Gods cause Their false Prophets T●e Kings death directed by a Revelation Sedgwicks day of Judgment Vavas●r Powe●s Prophecy of no more Kings or Taxe● Rather the Law of the Land then the Humour of the people A Fear of sinning ought to be cherished even in a mistake Dangerous trusting to scruples Who would have thought it Th● Episcopal Clergy Simeon and Levi. O the force of a misguided Con●cience The very Case of the seduced mu●●i●ude The Name of Libe●ty does mo●e ●●en ●he conside●atio● 〈◊〉 Heaven it self Baxt●r against Liberty And Toleration Liberty the way to set up Popery Mr. Richard an Improper Advocate for Toleration Richard is a Conformist Mr. Baxters Sermon that brought the King in Presbytery for the Lords sake Oh the happy times when Presbyterians rul'd Have a care of scandalous Inventions The Ignorant Church-Tyrants Richard not absolutely against the Cross. ●axters a Loyallist Errour is no e●cuse for disobedience The Pre●eoce of Natu●e and true Reason avoids ●ll Law A Popu●ar Fallacy The Presby●eri●n way of b●in●ing in ●he King Richards challenge In justification o● the Non-Conformis●s The Non-Conformists charge A Presbyterian defin'd Presbyterians swallow ap all othe● Sect● at ●irst and t●en sp●w the● up ag●in Richard say● that the Episc●pal m●n b●gan ●he war T●e two Hous●s Lord ●ieu●e●●n●s O●●ic●r Civil and Mi●i●●●y Assemb●y 〈◊〉 Divine● a●m●st all Episcop●l m●n The Kings ●●gag'd Enem●●●●ere all 〈◊〉 〈…〉 The Parliament b●ought in the Scots Few worthier Assemblies since the Apostles days Their good na●u●e toward the Independents The Guild-Hall ha●●ngue● 〈◊〉 brought in the Scots His Majesties Proclamation against the Assembly of Divines Jun 22. 1643. Painful Able Laborious Ministers The Loyall Presbyterians The 〈…〉 Kings Proclamation A Dutiful Proposition The Worthy 〈◊〉 The 〈…〉 An Abuse put upon the Nation An Extract of Par●iament Proceedings 1643. The Assembly stir up the people to rise Prov'd to he a Presbyterian War Richard says the War began about Religion Baxter says it began about matter of Law Richard says 't was about the Militia Baxter says the War was made for Reformation A lewd scandal upon the late Kings Government R●c●ard will not allow of war ●ot Religion Baxter i● for a Re●igious Wer. They are fools that think ●ther 〈◊〉 In ca●● o● p●r●secuti●● we figh●●or our own and our pos●eri●●●●●al●ation The late Kings s●ffe●ings forgot en among g●eater 〈…〉 Pryn Burton and Bastwick lamented but not a word ●f the Royal Mar●yr Presbytery not setled say● Rich●rd Baxter contradicts hi● And co●fo●●s himsel● with comparing 〈◊〉 day of Richard P●otector wi●h Charle ● Ten 〈◊〉 Hypocrites Now 〈◊〉 One 〈◊〉 Baxters Comp●e●en● to the Sons of the 〈◊〉 1659 Richard Cromwells fait●full Subiects Mr. Baxters Political Aphorismes composed expresly to keep out the King Poor R●chard like 〈…〉 and pr●ying again●t the Scots The spirit of Malignity has taken 〈◊〉 the Army The Presbyterians Per●ecuted The Presbyterians Journey-men the Army se● up for themselves Somewhat of an accomoda-Generosi●y in the Independents The poor Presbyterians persecuted by the Army for not joyning against the Scots Oh the persecution o● forcing men against their Conscien●es But so long as ●hey do not suffer as evil-doers No persecution to oppresse the Church and all that love it Mr. Baxt●r places the Crown upon the wrong Head The King destroy'd by Presbyterians as Presbyterians The Loyalty of ●axters Orthodox sober Ministers Richard subject to the Higher power but not resolv'd which it is An Even score of Orthodox sober Divines The last Kings bloud not valu'd at a Ceremony ☞ The Kings Murther justify'd the day after it was committed All Christian Kings Anti-Christianiz'd ☜ A Reflection upon ●is Majes●y a●●er his De●e●t at Wo●cester Prelacy Anti-Christian A Pedant triumphing over Charles the II. and Monarchy it self And calling the King Tyrant Are These Fit Agents for Unity and Peace Richard True to the King but he mistook the King Baxters Re●stauration Sermon Asserts the Presbyterian Loyalty Makes the King a Subject and worse Pleads for Presbytery without a word of restoring the King The War rais●d for King and Par●ia●ent Their Oaths Covenants were fast and loose at pleasure The pretext of the War Religion the Cause Ambition The Loyal Presbyte●ians usurp Sovereign Power The Two Houses were the King in the Covenant No Reconciling of the Covenant King the Legal Richard holds Oaths to Princes to be Dispensable Baxter holds Oaths of Allegiance to be Indispensable Richard will hate the Covenant binding as it is a Vow The League and Covenant and Vow and Covenant The League and Covenant Impos d. Baxter is his own on●essor ●nd bsolves himse●f The Covenan● for the King qualify'd for Re●igion If the King be against Religion the Covenant is against him Richard lays the Death of the King to Oliver The Baxterians attack'd the King And they fough● to kill