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A41211 An appeal to Scripture & antiquity in the questions of 1. the worship and invocation of saints and angels 2. the worship of images 3. justification by and merit of good works 4. purgatory 5. real presence and half-communion : against the Romanists / by H. Ferne ... Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1665 (1665) Wing F787; ESTC R6643 246,487 512

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thing_n promise_v through_o the_o grace_n and_o merciful_a love_a kindness_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n a_o place_n parallel_n to_o the_o former_a he_o have_v in_o his_o third_n hom._n on_o the_o epist_n to_o the_o philip._n where_o speak_v of_o prayer_n and_o oblation_n with_o respect_n to_o the_o dead_a these_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d chrys_n in_o phil._n hom_n 3._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v he_o be_v not_o in_o vain_a ordain_v by_o the_o apostle_n that_o a_o remembrance_n be_v make_v of_o those_o that_o be_v dead_a in_o the_o most_o reverend_a and_o holy_a mystery_n for_o when_o all_o the_o people_n stand_v and_o the_o company_n of_o priest_n with_o their_o hand_n stretch_v out_o towards_o heaven_n and_o the_o great_a sacrifice_n lie_v
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man_n which_o show_v some_o undue_a worship_n be_v give_v yet_o not_o as_o to_o a_o god_n but_o too_o much_o entrench_v upon_o that_o which_o be_v due_a to_o god_n the_o romanist_n feign_v two_o reason_n of_o this_o prohibit_v or_o refusal_n of_o worship_n first_o 14._o first_o bel._n post_fw-la christi_fw-la adventum_fw-la prohibuisse_fw-la ob_fw-la reverentiam_fw-la humanitatis_fw-la christi_fw-la de_fw-la beatit_fw-la sanctor_n cap._n 14._o that_o the_o angel_n refuse_v after_o christ_n come_v in_o the_o flesh_n to_o be_v worship_v of_o man_n for_o the_o reverence_n of_o the_o humanity_n of_o christ_n but_o if_o they_o do_v right_a in_o refuse_v it_o then_o must_v the_o romanist_n think_v they_o do_v ill_a in_o give_v it_o to_o they_o for_o we_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o have_v as_o great_a a_o reverence_n and_o respect_n to_o christ_n as_o the_o angel_n be_v and_o note_v the_o cardinal_n say_v not_o only_o that_o they_o refuse_v the_o worship_n but_o forbid_v it_o prohibuisse_fw-la 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entrench_v upon_o any_o thing_n due_a to_o god_n the_o very_a reason_n that_o servitute_fw-la that_o aug._n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la religioone_n cap._n 55._o honoramus_fw-la angelos_n charitate_fw-la non_fw-la servitute_fw-la st._n august_n give_v to_o exclude_v all_o such_o worship_n by_o the_o word_n service_n or_o servitude_n we_o honour_v angel_n say_v he_o in_o charity_n not_o service_n and_o immediate_o before_o insinuate_v god_n be_v communis_fw-la dominus_fw-la our_o common_a lord_n lord_n of_o angel_n and_o man_n that_o be_v as_o the_o angel_n say_v we_o be_v fellow-servant_n so_o we_o need_v not_o contend_v so_o much_o what_o the_o angel_n think_v as_o look_v to_o what_o he_o say_v whether_o he_o think_v st._n john_n take_v he_o for_o our_o saviour_n which_o this_o author_n strive_v to_o make_v probable_a be_v uncertain_a but_o the_o reason_n the_o angel_n give_v be_v clear_a and_o enough_o to_o exclude_v their_o angel-worship_n so_o that_o which_o st._n peter_n refuse_v act_v 10._o be_v not_o a_o divine_a worship_n and_o therefore_o refuse_v for_o this_o author_n grant_v pa._n 38._o that_o cornelius_n can_v not_o suppose_v he_o to_o be_v a_o god_n nor_o be_v it_o a_o due_a bound_a worship_n and_o refuse_v only_o out_o of_o humility_n as_o he_o suppose_v here_o for_o than_o he_o will_v not_o have_v give_v this_o reason_n i_o be_o a_o man_n the_o protestant_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o say_v as_o he_o think_v they_o must_v pa._n 37._o one_o of_o the_o two_o either_o that_o cornelius_n give_v he_o divine_a worship_n as_o to_o a_o god_n or_o that_o st._n peter_n refuse_v it_o out_o of_o humility_n for_o though_o the_o protestant_n acknowledge_v there_o be_v humility_n in_o this_o refusal_n for_o humility_n be_v see_v in_o refuse_v not_o only_o due_a but_o undue_a honour_n too_o yet_o have_v they_o cause_n to_o say_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o cornelius_n give_v he_o some_o undue_a worship_n exceed_v his_o condition_n and_o entrench_v upon_o something_o due_a to_o god_n and_o therefore_o st._n peter_n give_v he_o the_o reason_n of_o his_o refuse_v it_o for_o i_o be_o a_o man_n as_o the_o angel_n for_o i_o be_o thy_o fellow-servant_n col._n 2.18_o worship_v of_o angel_n he_o will_v have_v we_o here_o mistake_v because_o this_o text_n speak_v of_o a_o worship_v of_o angel_n angel_n how_o far_o the_o romanist_n agree_v with_o those_o worshipper_n of_o angel_n whereby_o they_o be_v make_v equal_a to_o christ_n or_o that_o christ_n be_v depend_v on_o they_o which_o roman_a catholic_n say_v he_o condemn_v as_o injurious_a to_o christ_n pa._n 43._o his_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o apostle_n add_v not_o hold_v the_o head_n by_o which_o it_o appear_v such_o a_o worship_v of_o angel_n be_v forbid_v as_o destroy_v the_o belief_n of_o christ_n be_v sovereign_a head_n of_o the_o church_n pa._n 44._o to_o which_o he_o subjoin_v as_o a_o proof_n the_o testimony_n of_o several_a father_n witness_v that_o simon_n magus_n and_o other_o ancient_a heretic_n 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take_v away_o in_o the_o use_n of_o they_o this_o be_v easy_o say_v and_o pretend_a but_o what_o boot_v it_o when_o people_n be_v teach_v contrary_a to_o the_o commandment_n to_o bow_v down_o and_o worship_n and_o to_o direct_v and_o secure_v they_o in_o it_o do_v hear_v a_o company_n of_o distinction_n bel._n distinction_n vid._n supra_fw-la in_o introduct_n ex_fw-la bel._n they_o understand_v not_o whatever_o therefore_o become_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o that_o doctrine_n now_o to_o be_v examine_v we_o may_v without_o rash_a judgement_n which_o this_o author_n lay_v to_o our_o charge_n pa._n 72._o challenge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o so_o needless_o expose_v her_o people_n to_o the_o peril_n of_o idolatry_n or_o superstition_n in_o this_o and_o other_o point_n of_o worship_n the_o first_o protestant_a position_n say_v he_o be_v that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o represent_v god_n the_o father_n in_o any_o likeness_n and_o the_o scripture_n be_v deut._n 4.15_o 16._o this_o scripture_n he_o will_v have_v mistake_v and_o misapply_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n father_n of_o picture_v god_n the_o father_n pa._n 75._o before_o we_o ask_v his_o reason_n note_v here_o how_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v divide_v in_o this_o point_n fieri_fw-la point_n bel._n de_fw-fr imagine_v l._n 2._o c._n 8._o docent_fw-la imaginem_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la recte_fw-la fieri_fw-la the_o cardinal_n acknowledge_v some_o of_o his_o catholic_n abulensis_n durand_n peresius_n and_o other_o to_o be_v of_o calvin_n opinion_n herein_o that_o a_o image_n of_o god_n be_v not_o right_o and_o lawful_o make_v and_o though_o these_o be_v the_o small_a number_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n special_o since_o the_o jesuit_n arise_v and_o multiply_v yet_o be_v they_o in_o this_o more_o suitable_a to_o the_o ancient_a christian_n who_o have_v no_o image_n of_o god_n as_o minutius_n foelix_n and_o other_o ancient_a writer_n affirm_v now_o see_v this_o author_n reason_n why_o that_o scripture_n be_v mistake_v and_o misapply_v by_o we_o first_o because_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o represent_v god_n by_o any_o image_n direct_o that_o be_v to_o signify_v he_o be_v of_o a_o figure_n or_o shape_n like_o that_o image_n pa._n 27._o nor_o do_v the_o understand_a heathen_n say_v they_o do_v so_o represent_v their_o god_n by_o their_o image_n again_o we_o represent_v god_n say_v he_o only_a historical_o as_o he_o appear_v to_o the_o prophet_n as_o dan._n 7._o the_o ancient_a of_o day_n neither_o be_v it_o forbid_v to_o represent_v he_o as_o he_o please_v to_o represent_v himself_o pa._n 75._o but_o we_o must_v put_v a_o difference_n between_o the_o represent_v of_o a_o vision_n and_o of_o a_o history_n history_n difference_n in_o picture_v of_o a_o vision_n and_o history_n to_o represent_v a_o vision_n in_o which_o god_n almighty_a please_v to_o show_v himself_o to_o the_o eye_n be_v tolerable_a but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n take_v 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latin_a sculptile_n and_o our_o translation_n then_o do_v due_o render_v it_o graven-image_n also_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o which_o the_o septuagint_n in_o the_o second_o text_n render_v the_o same_o word_n pesel_n do_v general_o imply_v image_n likeness_n representation_n although_o when_o take_v with_o connotation_n of_o idolatrous_a worship_n give_v it_o it_o signify_v a_o idol_n in_o his_o sense_n and_o see_v the_o heathen_a false_a god_n be_v worship_v by_o image_n and_o represent_v statue_n he_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o offend_v that_o we_o in_o render_v those_o text_n put_v in_o the_o word_n image_n well_o let_v the_o text_n run_v as_o render_v in_o their_o latin_a bible_n our_o reason_n and_o argument_n against_o image-worship_n will_v stand_v firm_a it_o be_v but_o the_o simple_a truth_n which_o all_o antiquity_n for_o 600._o year_n according_a to_o scripture_n assert_v and_o after_o the_o cardinal_n who_o this_o author_n follow_v have_v labour_v so_o much_o 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shall_v be_v nor_o any_o likeness_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n pa._n 92._o but_o what_o english_a man_n will_v make_v any_o difference_n in_o these_o more_o than_o that_o the_o first_o be_v the_o round_a expression_n and_o the_o zeal_n mr._n spencer_n have_v for_o the_o image_n of_o saint_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n make_v he_o so_o suspicious_a if_o not_o uncharitable_a in_o judge_v we_o have_v a_o design_n in_o the_o translation_n to_o make_v the_o unlearued_fw-mi think_v that_o the_o likeness_n of_o all_o thing_n in_o heaven_n and_o consequent_o of_o our_o saviour_n and_o of_o the_o saint_n be_v here_o forbid_a so_o he_o pa._n 93._o but_o the_o word_n any_o thing_n be_v here_o also_o put_v in_o a_o differ_a character_n to_o show_v they_o be_v add_v for_o the_o round_a english_a expression_n and_o as_o for_o the_o religious_a or_o romish_a worship_v of_o the_o likeness_n or_o image_n of_o our_o saviour_n and_o saint_n we_o conclude_v it_o forbid_v not_o by_o any_o consequence_n of_o a_o advantageous_a translation_n but_o by_o the_o force_n and_o intent_n of_o the_o commandment_n beside_o deut._n 4.16_o will_v bear_v print_v it_o out_o so_o in_o the_o catechism_n for_o there_o be_v col._n after_o temounah_n the_o likeness_n of_o any_o after_o this_o in_o his_o zeal_n to_o image-worship_n he_o spend_v 11._o 11._o of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rom._n 11._o page_n in_o note_v place_n of_o our_o translation_n where_o the_o word_n image_n as_o he_o pretend_v be_v undue_o and_o fraudulent_o put_v in_o but_o because_o most_o of_o they_o be_v so_o in_o the_o old_a translation_n and_o be_v correct_v in_o the_o new_a i_o will_v only_o note_v two_o where_o the_o word_n stand_v still_o in_o our_o present_a translation_n the_o one_o be_v ro._n 11.4_o to_o the_o image_n of_o baal_n but_o how_o can_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v better_a render_v whether_o we_o supply_v it_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o erasmus_n do_v which_o signify_v image_n or_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o signify_v statue_n and_o may_v well_o be_v understand_v it_o be_v the_o word_n which_o the_o septuagint_n use_v in_o that_o history_n of_o baal_n 1_o king_n 10.27_o the_o lat._n the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d statuam_fw-la baal_n sic_fw-la vul._n lat._n image_n or_o statue_n of_o baal_n mr._n spencer_n for_o fear_v the_o word_n image_n shall_v be_v here_o supply_v will_v make_v it_o refer_v to_o a_o female_a deity_n but_o let_v he_o show_v that_o any_o female_a deity_n come_v under_o the_o name_n of_o baal_n or_o baalim_fw-la he_o acknowledge_v that_o in_o 1_o king_n 19.18_o to_o which_o this_o place_n of_o the_o roman_n relate_v it_o be_v that_o bow_v not_o the_o knee_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d therefore_o no_o female_a idol_n be_v here_o mean_v but_o because_o the_o false_o suppose_a deity_n be_v acknowledge_v and_o worship_v by_o bow_v the_o knee_n to_o his_o image_n s._n paul_n more_o express_o and_o elegant_o put_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o other_o be_v act._n 19.35_o where_o he_o quarrel_v at_o our_o translation_n for_o add_v the_o word_n image_n in_o render_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o signify_v that_o which_o fall_v from_o jupiter_n but_o see_v that_o which_o be_v suppose_v to_o fall_v be_v a_o statue_n or_o image_n what_o harm_n be_v there_o or_o fraud_n in_o add_v the_o word_n image_n and_o render_v it_o more_o clear_o the_o image_n that_o fall_v and_o what_o need_v this_o tenderness_n in_o mr._n spencer_n for_o the_o word_n image_n if_o he_o will_v not_o show_v himself_o zealous_a for_o that_o against_o which_o god_n almighty_a have_v in_o this_o commandment_n declare_v himself_o a_o jealous_a god_n but_o its_o time_n from_o word_n to_o return_v again_o to_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o thing_n worship_v of_o image_n which_o he_o begin_v to_o do_v pa._n 107._o where_o he_o undertake_v to_o show_v that_o the_o very_a translation_n of_o the_o protestant_n prove_v 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true_o call_v a_o spiritual_a grace_n and_o inward_a too_o when_o it_o be_v sacramental_o receive_v very_o good_a all_o this_o but_o be_v there_o no_o sign_n of_o this_o body_n hear_v he_o also_o say_v that_o which_o sensible_o appear_v and_o be_v call_v sacramentum_fw-la tantum_fw-la the_o sacrament_n only_o be_v a_o sacramental_a sign_n of_o our_o saviour_n body_n p._n 284._o all_o this_o acknowledge_v to_o the_o defiance_n of_o his_o former_a subtlety_n and_o what_o can_v a_o protestant_a desire_n more_o only_o when_o he_o say_v nourish_v our_o soul_n he_o add_v and_o our_o body_n which_o i_o take_v to_o be_v a_o slip_n for_o it_o be_v not_o the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o church_n to_o say_v christ_n body_n nourish_v our_o body_n and_o now_o in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n why_o shall_v he_o not_o acknowledge_v the_o advantage_n of_o truth_n to_o be_v on_o the_o protestant_n side_n for_o thus_o far_o we_o agree_v that_o there_o be_v divine_a grace_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 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eutychian_o if_o it_o have_v be_v real_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n then_o who_o upon_o the_o mistake_n of_o the_o church_n doctrine_n as_o theodoret_n in_o his_o dialogue_n show_v make_v semblance_n for_o their_o heresy_n say_v the_o humanity_n of_o christ_n be_v swallow_v up_o into_o the_o divinity_n shape_n and_o figure_n remain_v as_o the_o bread_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n shape_n only_o and_o appearance_n remain_v again_o they_o bind_v our_o saviour_n body_n so_o to_o these_o show_v and_o species_n of_o bread_n that_o christ_n body_n and_o they_o make_v unum_fw-la quid_fw-la but_o one_o thing_n so_o that_o christ_n body_n go_v along_o with_o they_o wheresoever_o they_o go_v or_o be_v cast_v into_o the_o mouth_n and_o stomach_n of_o wicked_a man_n and_o stay_v wheresoever_o the_o species_n be_v till_o putrefaction_n of_o the_o species_n if_o they_o without_o the_o body_n of_o bread_n be_v capable_a of_o it_o drive_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n away_o this_o and_o hundred_o prejudices_fw-la and_o inconvenience_n follow_v upon_o this_o unnecessary_a fancy_n of_o put_v christ_n body_n under_o the_o species_n in_o the_o place_n of_o substantial_a bread_n we_o as_o be_v say_v preserve_v the_o sacrament_n entire_a acknowledge_v the_o very_a body_n and_o blood_n real_o give_v in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o every_o one_o that_o come_v due_o to_o receive_v give_v i_o say_v to_o all_o the_o purpose_n of_o the_o sacrament_n what_o he_o say_v p._n 285._o the_o word_n of_o institution_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v proper_o and_o literal_o to_o be_v understand_v when_o there_o be_v nothing_o that_o constrain_v we_o to_o the_o contrary_a may_v pass_v for_o a_o truth_n if_o he_o do_v not_o suppose_v there_o be_v nothing_o constrain_v all_o the_o former_a inconvenience_n inconsistency_n with_o many_o more_o tend_v to_o contradiction_n do_v constrain_v to_o the_o contrary_n to_o
this_o half_a communion_n the_o sequel_n of_o the_o former_a article_n of_o real_a presence_n and_o acknowledge_v that_o without_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o one_o the_o other_o can_v be_v defend_v so_o p._n 322_o 323._o we_o see_v then_o what_o goodly_a fruit_n the_o romish_a real_a presence_n have_v bring_v forth_o to_o the_o great_a and_o just_a offence_n of_o christian_a people_n in_o deny_v they_o the_o cup_n beside_o other_o goodly_a sequels_fw-fr of_o it_o as_o adoration_n and_o circumgestation_n it_o be_v not_o real_a presence_n true_o grant_v no_o not_o such_o as_o the_o romanist_n will_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v true_a that_o give_v a_o ground_n for_o half_a communion_n or_o make_v it_o defensible_a for_o they_o grant_v as_o we_o see_v here_o p._n 123._o the_o lutheran_n convince_v of_o this_o mystery_n i._n e._n to_o believe_v a_o true_a real_a presence_n but_o can_v say_v they_o be_v convince_v of_o this_o sequel_n or_o that_o it_o follow_v then_o may_v the_o communion_n 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as_o eusebius_n relate_v it_o that_o they_o 〈◊〉_d they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d will_v worship_v none_o else_o but_o christ_n as_o for_o
note_n be_v ch_z 5._o 8._o ch_n 6._o 10._o ch_n 8._o 3._o which_o we_o shall_v touch_v below_o but_o hear_v what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o next_o disputation_n postremo_fw-la disputation_n non_fw-la fuisse_fw-la morem_fw-la in_fw-la v._o t●●adeundi_fw-la sanctos_fw-la intercessores_fw-la erat_fw-la etiam_fw-la olim_fw-la periculum_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la salm._n disp_n 8._o sect_n postremo_fw-la it_o be_v not_o their_o manner_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n to_o use_v the_o saint_n as_o intercessor_n the_o reason_n because_o they_o be_v not_o then_o glorify_v and_o because_o of_o old_a there_o be_v danger_n of_o idolatry_n mark_v the_o danger_n of_o the_o romish_a practice_n in_o religion_n and_o worship_n but_o be_v there_o not_o danger_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n he_o acknowledge_v it_o say_v it_o be_v not_o express_v but_o be_v leave_v to_o tradition_n secret_o to_o be_v deliver_v which_o he_o call_v ibid._n call_v tacitam_fw-la spiritus_fw-la suggestionem_fw-la ibid._n the_o silent_a suggestion_n of_o the_o spirit_n but_o why_o because_o pro_fw-la because_o quia_fw-la durum_fw-la erat_fw-la id_fw-la judaeis_n praecipere_fw-la &_o gentib_n daretur_fw-la occasio_fw-la putandi_fw-la multos_fw-la sibi_fw-la deos_fw-la exhibitos_fw-la pro_fw-la it_o be_v hard_a to_o command_v such_o a_o thing_n to_o the_o jew_n and_o it_o be_v likely_a to_o give_v occasion_n to_o the_o gentile_n of_o think_v that_o many_o god_n be_v put_v upon_o they_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o many_o god_n they_o have_v forsake_v and_o may_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n still_o be_v good_a against_o romish_a invocation_n and_o image-worship_n either_o to_o keep_v they_o out_o or_o cast_v they_o out_o of_o the_o church_n see_v they_o give_v such_o occasion_n of_o scandal_n to_o jew_n and_o infidel_n throughout_o the_o romish_a communion_n the_o cardinal_n be_v not_o so_o liberal_a with_o we_o dices_fw-la bel._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr beat_n sanct._n c._n 19_o non_fw-la consuetum_fw-la nec_fw-la ordinariè_fw-la cognoscere_fw-la preces_fw-la etc._n etc._n 20_o sect_n sed_fw-la dices_fw-la for_o he_o will_v confine_v it_o to_o the_o old_a testament_n acknowledge_v it_o be_v not_o the_o custom_n then_o to_o say_v holy_a abraham_n pray_v for_o we_o and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o they_o do_v not_o see_v god_n and_o can_v not_o ordinary_o i._n e._n without_o special_a revelation_n know_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n neither_o be_v the_o cardinal_n so_o ingenuous_a with_o we_o as_o be_v his_o fellow_n salmeron_n for_o albeit_o he_o give_v reason_n why_o prayer_n be_v not_o make_v to_o they_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n which_o reason_n be_v good_a against_o their_o invocation_n till_o our_o saviour_n ascension_n yet_o he_o bring_v place_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o a_o seem_a proof_n of_o it_o some_o of_o they_o indeed_o concern_v invocation_n of_o angel_n as_o that_o gen._n 48.16_o &_o job_n 5.1_o to_o which_o we_o brief_o answer_v 9_o answer_v chap._n ii_o nu_fw-la 9_o above_o and_o though_o the_o cardinal_n reason_n which_o exclude_v the_o saint_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n do_v not_o conclude_v against_o the_o angel_n which_o do_v see_v god_n face_n and_o as_o well_o hear_v and_o know_v what_o be_v say_v and_o do_v below_o on_o earth_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o after_o yet_o salmerons_n reason_n may_v prevail_v against_o invocation_n of_o they_o because_o of_o danger_n of_o idolatry_n then_o and_o it_o will_v have_v seem_v strange_a and_o hard_a to_o the_o jew_n and_o albeit_o they_o have_v cherubin_n in_o the_o picture_n yet_o not_o angel_n in_o their_o worship_n which_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o azor_n and_o vasquez_n and_o that_o out_o of_o several_a father_n clear_v the_o jewish_a church_n from_o worship_v of_o angel_n or_o image_n and_o something_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v say_v 10._o say_v chap._n iii_o nu_fw-la 10._o above_o now_o for_o the_o place_n out_o of_o the_o revelation_n invocation_n place_n of_o scripture_n allege_v for_o invocation_n which_o be_v the_o only_a text_n that_o have_v any_o semblance_n or_o pretence_n for_o invocate_a saint_n or_o angel_n they_o be_v mistake_v as_o apply_v to_o that_o purpose_n that_o text_n rev._n 5.8_o where_o the_o four_o live_a creature_n and_o the_o 24_o elder_n be_v set_v out_o as_o fall_v down_o before_o the_o lamb_n have_v harp_n and_o viol_n full_a of_o odour_n or_o incense_n which_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n here_o the_o romanist_n that_o will_v have_v these_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n to_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o prayer_n of_o man_n live_v offer_v up_o by_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n be_v mistake_v for_o the_o whole_a place_n be_v a_o representation_n of_o the_o church_n below_o offer_v up_o prayer_n to_o god_n by_o christ_n the_o lamb_n and_o those_o eucharistical_a or_o prayer_n of_o thanksgiving_n and_o praise_n chief_o for_o the_o victory_n of_o the_o lamb_n and_o redemption_n by_o christ_n as_o the_o next_o verse_n specify_v they_o thus_o viega_n understand_v they_o of_o the_o church_n below_o and_o he_o follow_v good_a author_n in_o it_o the_o next_o be_v rev._n 6.10_o how_o long_a o_o lord_n here_o also_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n of_o romanist_n make_v this_o a_o formal_a prayer_n of_o the_o martyr_n for_o revenge_n which_o stand_v not_o with_o that_o charity_n they_o have_v in_o so_o great_a a_o degree_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v but_o a_o figurative_a or_o emblematical_a representation_n of_o their_o soul_n lie_v under_o the_o altar_n and_o call_n for_o revenge_n only_o to_o show_v the_o certainty_n of_o that_o judgement_n and_o vengeance_n which_o god_n will_v in_o time_n bring_v upon_o the_o heathen_a persecutor_n for_o their_o blood_n as_o when_o abel_n blood_n be_v say_v to_o cry_v for_o vengeance_n and_o for_o the_o argument_n they_o make_v if_o the_o soul_n of_o martyr_n cry_v for_o vengeance_n upon_o their_o enemy_n therefore_o their_o charity_n much_o more_o prompt_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o god_n servant_n it_o fail_v first_o in_o the_o antecedent_n for_o they_o do_v not_o as_o we_o see_v make_v any_o formal_a prayer_n for_o vengeance_n and_o then_o it_o fail_v in_o the_o inference_n for_o it_o will_v only_o conclude_v that_o they_o do_v pray_v for_o the_o church_n militant_a which_o we_o grant_v not_o that_o they_o offer_v up_o prayer_n make_v to_o they_o which_o be_v the_o point_n in_o question_n the_o three_o text_n rev._n 8.3_o where_o another_o angel_n be_v say_v to_o stand_v by_o the_o altar_n have_v a_o golden_a censer_n and_o much_o incense_n be_v give_v to_o he_o that_o he_o may_v offer_v it_o with_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n a_o great_a mistake_n this_o and_o impious_a to_o make_v this_o the_o office_n of_o any_o create_a angel_n for_o the_o very_a text_n seem_v to_o imply_v that_o this_o be_v a_o special_a angel_n differ_v from_o the_o seven_o angel_n set_v out_o in_o the_o second_o verse_n as_o minister_a spirit_n and_o what_o one_o create_a angel_n be_v sufficient_a for_o this_o to_o receive_v and_o offer_v up_o their_o prayer_n that_o be_v make_v by_o all_o the_o saint_n or_o just_a man_n on_o earth_n therefore_o general_o it_o be_v interpret_v of_o christ_n the_o great_a angel_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o god_n as_o viega_n and_o other_o modern_a writer_n and_o herein_o they_o have_v ambrose_n haimo_n rupertus_n and_o the_o interlineary_a gloss_n consent_v to_o who_o i_o may_v add_v what_o irenaeus_n say_v reflect_v upon_o this_o place_n and_o the_o other_o cap._n 5.8_o where_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n offer_v up_o all_o by_o christ_n apply_v to_o it_o that_o of_o malachi_n cap._n 1.11_o in_o every_o place_n incense_n shall_v be_v offer_v then_o add_v now_o sacerdotem_fw-la now_o iren._n l._n 4._o c._n 33._o incensa_fw-la autem_fw-la joan._n in_o apocal._n orationes_fw-la ait_fw-la esse_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la tert._n advers._fw-la martion_n l._n 4._o c._n 9_o per_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la catholicum_fw-la patris_fw-la sacerdotem_fw-la st._n john_n in_o the_o revel_n say_v that_o incense_n or_o the_o sweet_a odour_n be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o tertul._n upon_o that_o of_o our_o saviour_n to_o the_o leper_n cleanse_v show_v thyself_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o offer_v mat._n 8.4_o infer_v we_o must_v offer_v up_o all_o our_o prayer_n and_o thanksgiving_n by_o jesus_n christ_n the_o catholic_n or_o universal_a priest_n of_o the_o father_n no_o create_a angel_n can_v be_v such_o a_o catholic_n priest_n to_o offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n thus_o much_o for_o scripture_n to_o show_v how_o destitute_a they_o be_v of_o any_o real_a proof_n and_o therefore_o want_v the_o first_o and_o main_a ground_n of_o catholic_n faith_n and_o doctrine_n introduct_n sect._n 1._o in_o introduct_n according_a to_o vincentius_n his_o certain_a and_o safe_a rule_n at_o first_o mention_v now_o let_v we_o make_v a_o brief_a survey_n of_o antiquity_n and_o see_v