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qui_fw-la quâ—â—rum_fw-la in_o se_fw-la est_fw-la sacrum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la sive_fw-la praedicationern_n verbi_fw-la &_o administrationem_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la abolita_fw-la cupiunt_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 1._o pag._n 107._o the_o gospel_n we_o believe_v that_o that_o good_a order_n which_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o that_o gospel_n be_v confirm_v aught_o to_o be_v keep_v sacred_a and_o inviolable_a and_o that_o therefore_o pastor_n be_v necessary_o require_v in_o the_o church_n upon_o who_o shoulder_n the_o burden_n of_o teach_v the_o word_n and_o administer_a the_o sacrament_n do_v lie_v therefore_o we_o detest_v all_o those_o fanatical_a spirit_n who_o as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o lie_v desire_v that_o both_o this_o sacred_a ministry_n or_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v utter_o abolish_v harm_n eng._n p._n 253._o propos_fw-fr ii_o beside_o the_o internal_a call_n of_o god_n and_o due_a qualification_n through_o 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lord_n give_v leave_v harm_n eng._n pag._n 253._o &_o 254._o the_o augustane_n confession_n art_n 14._o concern_v ecclesiastical_a order_n they_o teach_v that_o no_o man_n 16._o de_fw-fr ordine_fw-la ecclesiastico_fw-la docent_fw-la quod_fw-la nemo_fw-la debeat_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la publicae_fw-la docere_fw-la auâ—_n sacramenta_fw-la administrare_fw-la nisi_fw-la rite_n vocatus_fw-la sicut_fw-la &_o paulus_n praecipit_fw-la tito_n ut_fw-la in_o civitatibus_fw-la presbyteros_fw-la constituat_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 1._o p._n 16._o shall_v public_o in_o the_o church_n teach_v or_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n except_o he_o be_v right_o call_v according_a as_o st._n paul_n give_v commandment_n to_o titus_n to_o ordain_v elder_n in_o every_o city_n harm_n eng._n p._n 258._o the_o latter_a conf._n of_o helvetia_n chap._n 18._o furthermore_o no_o man_n ought_v to_o usurp_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o 59_o nemo_fw-la autem_fw-la honorem_fw-la ministerii_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la 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dispensent_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la ejus_fw-la nec_fw-la permittendum_fw-la est_fw-la cuivis_fw-la quamvis_fw-la spirituali_fw-la sacerdoti_fw-la ut_fw-la sine_fw-la legitima_fw-la vocatione_n usurpet_fw-la publicum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 2._o pag._n 164._o institute_v minister_n who_o shall_v preach_v his_o gospel_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n neither_o be_v it_o to_o be_v permit_v to_o every_o one_o although_o he_o be_v a_o spiritual_a priest_n to_o usurp_v a_o public_a ministry_n in_o the_o church_n without_o a_o lawful_a call_v harm_n engl._n p._n 265._o the_o english_a conf._n further_o we_o say_v that_o the_o minister_n ought_v lawful_o due_o 131._o credimus_fw-la ministrum_fw-la legitime_fw-la vocari_fw-la oportere_fw-la &_o rectè_fw-la atque_fw-la ordine_fw-la praefici_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la dei_fw-la neminem_fw-la autem_fw-la ad_fw-la sacrum_fw-la ministetium_n pro_fw-la svo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la &_o libidine_fw-la posse_fw-la se_fw-la intrudere_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 1._o pag._n 116._o see_v also_o the_o 23_o art_n among_o the_o 39_o and_o corp._n conf._n p._n 131._o and_o orderly_o to_o be_v prefer_v to_o that_o office_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o that_o no_o man_n have_v power_n ro_o wrest_v himself_o into_o the_o holy_a ministry_n at_o his_o own_o pleasure_n harm_n eng._n p._n 255._o propos_fw-fr iii_o in_o call_v to_o the_o ministry_n beside_o election_n ordination_n be_v to_o be_v use_v where_o it_o may_v be_v have_v act._n 6._o 2._o ch_n 13._o 2._o ch_n 14._o 23._o titus_n 1._o 5._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 22._o and_o beside_o the_o usual_a way_n of_o ordain_v by_o prayer_n fast_v and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n there_o be_v no_o other_o speak_v of_o in_o any_o confession_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n the_o conf._n of_o helvetia_n quo_fw-la supra_fw-la and_o those_o which_o be_v choose_v let_v they_o be_v ordain_v of_o the_o elder_n with_o public_a prayer_n and_o lay_v on_o of_o 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credimus_fw-la ministros_fw-la seniores_fw-la &_o diaconos_fw-la debere_fw-la ad_fw-la functiones_fw-la illas_fw-la svas_fw-la vocari_fw-la &_o promoveri_fw-la legitimâ_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la electione_n adhibitâ_fw-la ad_fw-la eam_fw-la seril_n dei_fw-la invocatione_n atque_fw-la co_fw-la ordine_fw-la ac_fw-la modo_fw-la qui_fw-la nobiâ—_fw-la dei_fw-la verbo_fw-la praescribitur_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 1._o pag._n 179._o aught_o to_o be_v call_v to_o their_o function_n and_o by_o the_o lawful_a election_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v advance_v into_o those_o room_n earnest_a prayer_n be_v make_v unto_o god_n and_o after_o the_o order_n and_o manner_n which_o be_v set_v down_o unto_o we_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n harm_n eng._n p._n 258._o note_v here_o that_o beside_o prayer_n they_o speak_v of_o a_o order_n and_o manner_n set_v down_o unto_o we_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o for_o minister_n and_o deacon_n relate_v to_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n or_o ordination_n if_o 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the_o call_v of_o minister_n in_o ecclesiis_fw-la quas_fw-la vocant_fw-la evangelicis_fw-la use_v this_o argument_n against_o bellarmine_n vocatio_fw-la mediata_fw-la legitima_fw-la juxta_fw-la divinam_fw-la institutionem_fw-la &_o apostolorum_fw-la praxin_fw-la fieri_fw-la debet_fw-la à _fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la tribus_fw-la illius_fw-la ordinibus_fw-la nostrorum_fw-la vocatio_fw-la fit_a à _fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la tribus_fw-la illius_fw-la or_o dinibus_fw-la ergo._n a_o lawful_a mediate_v call_v according_a to_o divine_a institution_n and_o the_o apostle_n practice_n must_v be_v make_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o three_o order_n thereof_o the_o call_n of_o our_o minister_n be_v make_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o three_o order_n thereof_o therefore_o it_o be_v lawful_a according_a to_o divine_a institution_n and_o apostolical_a practice_n the_o minor_a say_v he_o be_v manifest_a out_o of_o the_o 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tim._n 4._o 14._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 22._o 2_o tim._n 2._o 2._o tit._n 1._o 5._o come_v afterward_o to_o speak_v more_o particular_o quid_fw-la cuivis_fw-la statui_fw-la propriè_fw-la tribuendum_fw-la sit_fw-la what_o be_v proper_o to_o be_v give_v to_o every_o several_a state_n that_o no_o confusion_n may_v arise_v and_o one_o state_n may_v not_o take_v to_o itself_o that_o which_o be_v peculiar_a to_o another_o after_o other_o thing_n premise_v he_o make_v this_o distribution_n of_o their_o part_n presbyterio_n competit_fw-la exameâ—_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la &_o inauguratio_fw-la to_o the_o presbytery_n belong_v examination_n ordination_n inauguration_n magistratui_fw-la christiano_n nominatio_fw-la praesentatio_fw-la confirmatio_fw-la to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n nomination_n presentation_n confirmation_n populo_fw-la consensus_fw-la suffragium_fw-la approbatio_fw-la vel_fw-la etiani_n pro_fw-la ratione_fw-la circumstantiarum_fw-la postulatio_fw-la to_o the_o people_n consent_n suffrage_n approve_v or_o as_o circumstance_n may_v require_v postulation_n id._n loco_fw-la &_o cap._n citatis_fw-la sec_fw-la 3._o num_fw-la 85._o p._n 93._o &_o num_fw-la 86._o p._n 95._o 1._o 95._o vid._n ead_n apud_fw-la cund_o augustana_n confession_n be_v par_fw-fr 2._o cap._n 1._o now_o sir_n i_o beseech_v you_o recollect_v yourself_o and_o tell_v whether_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o lutheran_n minister_n and_o elder_n as_o such_o have_v not_o a_o interest_n in_o the_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n or_o why_o the_o people_n act_n shall_v be_v essential_a and_o not_o the_o minister_n by_o virtue_n of_o any_o ground_n which_o they_o build_v upon_o and_o where_o you_o find_v in_o they_o ordination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n so_o distinguish_v as_o they_o be_v here_o by_o you_o 2._o the_o calvinist_n do_v for_o the_o most_o part_n agree_v with_o the_o 4._o hanc_fw-la viz._n electionem_fw-la seu_fw-la designationem_fw-la ministri_fw-la dicimus_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la solom_o supremum_fw-la magistratum_fw-la pertinere_fw-la we_o gretius_n &_o alii_fw-la judicarunt_fw-la nec_fw-la etiam_fw-la ad_fw-la solam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la excluso_fw-la magistratu_fw-la ut_fw-la alii_fw-la volunt_fw-la imprimis_fw-la anabaptistae_fw-la &_o papistae_fw-la sed_fw-la dicimus_fw-la ad_fw-la totam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la hanc_fw-la electionem_fw-la certo_fw-la respectu_fw-la pertinere_fw-la ordine_fw-la tamen_fw-la debito_fw-la observato_fw-la ut_fw-la praecant_v ecclesiae_fw-la praefecti_fw-la adsentiatur_fw-la populus_fw-la cuique_fw-la svo_fw-la ordine_fw-la ant._n wallaeus_n locis_fw-la come_v parte_fw-la 2._o de_fw-la functionibus_fw-la ecclesiasticis_fw-la edit_fw-la priore_fw-la in_o 4._o p._n 907._o pertinet_fw-la autem_fw-la electio_fw-la &_o designatio_fw-la ipsa_fw-la ad_fw-la totam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la in_o quâ_fw-la sit_fw-la sed_fw-la divers_a ratione_fw-la pessime_fw-la quoque_fw-la hallucinantur_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la distinguunt_fw-la quae_fw-la 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both_o together_o or_o either_o apart_o â—o_o bind_v every_o christian_n to_o preach_v public_o as_o he_o conceive_v himself_o to_o be_v able_a though_o he_o be_v no_o officer_n i_o say_v to_o bind_v for_o the_o apostle_n speaâ—â—â—ot_v of_o a_o liberty_n which_o we_o may_v use_v or_o disuse_n but_o of_o a_o duty_n which_o we_o must_v perform_v the_o duty_n of_o preach_a lie_n upon_o none_o but_o upon_o those_o that_o be_v call_v the_o ordinary_a regular_a way_n of_o call_v be_v by_o ordination_n to_o all_o which_o be_v produce_v pag._n 18._o concern_v prophet_n and_o prophesy_v and_o use_v of_o gift_n out_o of_o 1_o cor._n 12_o 7_o 8_o 9_o 10_o 11._o 1_o cor._n 14._o 3_o 39_o i_o answer_v summary_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o all_o order_n officer_n or_o member_n of_o the_o church_n above_o minister_n may_v preach_v as_o well_o as_o they_o whether_o ordain_v or_o unordain_v â—â—_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n and_o prophet_n for_o prophet_n such_o as_o be_v under_o the_o new_a 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solicitous_a about_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o call_v that_o have_v a_o strong_a promise_n to_o support_v it_o to_o the_o â—nd_n of_o the_o world_n 〈…〉_o i_o humble_o offer_v my_o part_n in_o the_o answer_n follow_v some_o note_n belong_v to_o the_o treatise_n hereafter_o answer_v omit_v by_o the_o printer_n add_v therefore_o pag._n â—1_n lin_v 13._o to_o the_o margin_n budaeus_fw-la h._n steph._n thes_n p._n 35._o l._n 4._o thes_n ling._n grae._n novum_n usum_fw-la huic_fw-la verbo_fw-la tribuere_fw-la p._n 38._o l._n 16._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apud_fw-la eustach_n thes_n lin_v gre._n tom_n 1._o 1732._o c._n &_o 17â—7_n e._n carthwr_n in_o act._n 14._o 23._o p._n 29._o l._n penult_n these_o word_n shall_v have_v be_v setdown_o at_o large_a quicunque_fw-la ad_fw-la docendum_fw-la idoneus_fw-la eligitur_fw-la &_o voco_fw-la suffragio_fw-la &_o voce_fw-la ecclefiae_fw-la be_v verus_fw-la est_fw-la verbi_fw-la minister_n siquidem_fw-la vocatio_fw-la &_o electio_fw-la legitima_fw-la facit_fw-la ministrum_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la verò_fw-la est_fw-la illius_fw-la vocationis_fw-la declaratio_fw-la coram_fw-la coete_n ecclesiae_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la coronatio_fw-la facit_fw-la regem_fw-la sed_fw-la electio_fw-la coronatio_fw-la verò_fw-la est_fw-la soleâ—nis_fw-la duntaxat_fw-la renâ—nciatio_fw-la &_o declaratio_fw-la regis_fw-la aegid_a hun._n contra_fw-la assert_v arturi_fw-la vocatio_fw-la propriè_fw-la &_o essentialiter_fw-la consistit_fw-la in_o electione_n ames_n case_n cons_n l._n 4._o c._n 25_o sect_n 28._o ordinatio_fw-la seu_fw-la consecratio_fw-la nihil_fw-la alind_a est_fw-la quà m_fw-la legitima_fw-la electio_fw-la voet._n p._n 267._o errata_n in_o the_o marg._n of_o the_o answer_n pag._n 3._o for_o essentiaam_n read_v essentiam_fw-la p._n 5._o debeat_fw-la r._n debet_fw-la p._n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 17._o l._n 29._o mancipitur_fw-la r._n mancipatur_fw-la lin_v 32._o ligere_fw-la r._n 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d blot_v out_o often_o p._n 66._o l._n 9_o porrectione_n r._n porrectionem_fw-la p._n 77._o l._n 1._o for_o to_o â—abylon_n r._n of_o babylon_n a_o answer_n to_o the_o tract_n bear_v title_n the_o judgement_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o protestant_a divine_n concern_v ordination_n lay_v on_o of_o band_n in_o ordination_n of_o minister_n etc._n etc._n the_o word_n of_o the_o treatise_n be_v here_o set_v down_o without_o add_v alter_v or_o abridgement_n ordination_n be_v take_v common_o for_o a_o act_n of_o minister_n or_o elder_n after_o examination_n and_o election_n the_o answer_n 1._o in_o the_o common_a acception_n of_o the_o word_n ordination_n include_v examination_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n and_o be_v not_o a_o single_a act_n but_o a_o complicate_v so_o as_o all_o be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o ordainer_n for_o the_o solemn_a fieri_fw-la solemn_a solenne_fw-fr est_fw-fr quod_fw-la solet_fw-la fieri_fw-la constitute_n or_o set_v 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ordination_n consist_v in_o the_o appoint_v of_o such_o for_o the_o holy_a ministry_n by_o person_n in_o office_n ruth_n due_a right_n of_o presbytery_n p._n 186._o â—_o do_v have_v first_o choose_v will_v not_o easy_o be_v prove_v 23._o prove_v it_o be_v not_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o calling_n to_o be_v choose_v by_o voice_n of_o the_o people_n dr._n fulke_o on_o act._n 14._o 23._o 4._o whereas_o you_o speak_v of_o ordination_n common_o so_o call_v you_o name_v neither_o church_n nor_o divine_a who_o state_n it_o as_o you_o do_v here_o and_o i_o think_v you_o can_v name_v none_o be_v it_o a_o act_n of_o minister_n or_o elder_n after_o examination_n and_o election_n there_o must_v be_v something_o add_v to_o make_v it_o a_o definition_n or_o description_n in_o stead_n of_o the_o quid_fw-la rei_fw-la you_o give_v we_o only_o the_o quâ—â—dâ—_n if_o your_o proof_n have_v no_o more_o strength_n than_o your_o expâ—â—ation_n have_v clearness_n and_o fullness_n you_o may_v still_o 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