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qui_fw-la quâ—â—rum_fw-la in_o se_fw-la est_fw-la sacrum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la sive_fw-la praedicationern_n verbi_fw-la &_o administrationem_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la abolita_fw-la cupiunt_fw-la corp._n conf._n par_fw-fr 1._o pag._n 107._o the_o gospel_n we_o believe_v that_o that_o good_a order_n which_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o that_o gospel_n be_v confirm_v aught_o to_o be_v keep_v sacred_a and_o inviolable_a and_o that_o therefore_o pastor_n be_v necessary_o require_v in_o the_o church_n upon_o who_o shoulder_n the_o burden_n of_o teach_v the_o word_n and_o administer_a the_o sacrament_n do_v lie_v therefore_o we_o detest_v all_o those_o fanatical_a spirit_n who_o as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o lie_v desire_v that_o both_o this_o sacred_a ministry_n or_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v utter_o abolish_v harm_n eng._n p._n 253._o propos_fw-fr ii_o beside_o the_o internal_a call_n of_o god_n and_o due_a qualification_n through_o 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the_o call_v of_o minister_n in_o ecclesiis_fw-la quas_fw-la vocant_fw-la evangelicis_fw-la use_v this_o argument_n against_o bellarmine_n vocatio_fw-la mediata_fw-la legitima_fw-la juxta_fw-la divinam_fw-la institutionem_fw-la &_o apostolorum_fw-la praxin_fw-la fieri_fw-la debet_fw-la à _fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la tribus_fw-la illius_fw-la ordinibus_fw-la nostrorum_fw-la vocatio_fw-la fit_a à _fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la tribus_fw-la illius_fw-la or_o dinibus_fw-la ergo._n a_o lawful_a mediate_v call_v according_a to_o divine_a institution_n and_o the_o apostle_n practice_n must_v be_v make_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o three_o order_n thereof_o the_o call_n of_o our_o minister_n be_v make_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o three_o order_n thereof_o therefore_o it_o be_v lawful_a according_a to_o divine_a institution_n and_o apostolical_a practice_n the_o minor_a say_v he_o be_v manifest_a out_o of_o the_o 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esse_fw-la ditimus_fw-la idem_fw-la quo_fw-la supra_fw-la §._o 12._o so_o as_o in_o their_o judgement_n a_o act_n of_o minister_n and_o elder_n be_v of_o divine_a institution_n in_o the_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n yet_o a_o little_a more_o clear_o and_o full_o concern_v the_o interest_n of_o minister_n about_o the_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n exemplâ—_n minister_n v._o nic._n hun._n in_o dem._n min._n lutherani_n p._n 199._o multis_fw-la ex_fw-la causis_fw-la ministris_fw-la nau_o sabem_fw-la susfragiunt_fw-la sed_fw-la primum_fw-la ac_fw-la praecip_n sussragium_fw-la meritiâ—simeconceditur_fw-la 1._o hoc_fw-la postulat_fw-la praecepâ—um_fw-la apostolicum_fw-la 2_o tim._n 2._o 2._o tit._n 1._o 5._o 2._o aptitudo_fw-la cligendi_fw-la 3._o ipsius_fw-la officiâ—_n ratio_fw-la 4_o ratio_fw-la pro_fw-la animabus_fw-la reddenda_fw-la 5._o exemplum_fw-la apostoli_fw-la act._n 1._o act_n 6._o 2_o 3._o 6._o piae_fw-la &_o orthodoxae_fw-la antiquitatis_fw-la exemplâ—_n the_o same_o gerhard_n 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ecclesia_fw-la heb._n 13._o 7._o undo_v sva_fw-la voce_fw-mi suâ—_n que_fw-la consilio_fw-la praeire_fw-la populo_fw-la debent_fw-la 2._o quòd_fw-la illi_fw-la ipsi_fw-la sunt_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la senatus_fw-la ad_fw-la quem_fw-la prima_fw-la rerum_fw-la ecclesiasticarum_fw-la deliberatio_fw-la ac_fw-la cura_fw-la pertinet_fw-la atque_fw-la etiam_fw-la referenda_fw-la est_fw-la 3._o exemplum_fw-la ipsius_fw-la primitivae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la apostoli_fw-la enim_fw-la ipsi_fw-la primi_fw-la de_fw-la diaconis_fw-la eligen_n this_fw-mi deliberant_fw-la 4._o exit_fw-la ipsa_fw-la loquendi_fw-la ratione_fw-la quâ_fw-la utitur_fw-la scriptura_fw-la act._n 15_o v._n 22._o 16._o v._o 4._o 1_o cor._n 16._o v._n 3._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ex_fw-la qua_fw-la phrasi_fw-la luce_fw-fr clarius_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la à _fw-la populo_fw-la &_o universa_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la probari_fw-la tantum_fw-la vel_fw-la improbari_fw-la quae_fw-la praesbyteri_fw-la &_o ipsi_fw-la praepositi_fw-la 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cap._n 5._o v._n 22._o p._n 348_o 349_o 352_o 353_o 354._o vide_fw-la plura_fw-la in_o hunc_fw-la sensum_fw-la apud_fw-la bucanum_n loc_fw-la 42._o de_fw-la ministerio_fw-la in_o respon_n ad_fw-la quaest_n 39_o &_o marcsium_n in_o enchiridio_fw-la de_fw-fr minist_n potest_fw-la &_o discip_n ecclesiae_fw-la p._n 117._o thesi_fw-la 39_o inter_v canon_n ecclesiasticas_fw-la synodi_fw-la dordrac_n can_v 4._o zanch_n in_o 4._o praec_fw-la loc_fw-la 4._o qu._n 2._o to_o 4._o p._n 780._o &_o sequ_fw-la harmo_n synodorum_n belgic_a cap._n 1._o art_n 4._o lutheran_n touch_v the_o interest_n of_o magistrate_n minister_n and_o people_n about_o the_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n though_o in_o manner_n of_o expression_n there_o be_v some_o difference_n yet_o in_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o there_o be_v a_o harmony_n some_o speak_v of_o call_v other_o of_o election_n both_o mean_a the_o same_o thing_n and_o ascribe_v it_o not_o to_o the_o people_n alone_o as_o you_o do_v with_o the_o libertine_n anabaptist_n brownist_n and_o the_o like_a nor_o to_o the_o magistrate_n alone_o as_o grotius_n and_o the_o erastians_n but_o principal_o and_o primary_o to_o the_o minister_n and_o elder_n and_o respective_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n 3._o none_o of_o those_o writer_n in_o particular_a which_o you_o cite_v either_o in_o the_o body_n or_o margin_n of_o that_o paragraph_n pag._n 7._o exclude_v minister_n and_o elder_n from_o share_v in_o the_o power_n and_o act_v whereby_o a_o meet_a person_n be_v make_v a_o minister_n but_o every_o one_o of_o they_o have_v more_o or_o less_o express_o for_o their_o interest_n for_o the_o calvinist_n to_o give_v they_o the_o first_o place_n i_o shall_v speak_v of_o they_o in_o order_n as_o you_o rank_v they_o aim_n against_o bellarmine_n tom_n 2._o p._n 76._o have_v nothing_o at_o all_o one_o way_n or_o other_o unless_o the_o edition_n which_o i_o follow_v deceive_v i_o in_o that_o of_o oxford_n 1624._o p._n 96._o i_o find_v this_o populus_fw-la in_o judicando_fw-la dirigi_fw-la potest_fw-la ac_fw-la ordinary_a debet_fw-la à _fw-la judicio_fw-la aliorum_fw-la pastorum_fw-la electionem_fw-la vel_fw-la praeeunte_fw-la vel_fw-la comitante_fw-la the_o people_n may_v and_o ordinary_o must_v be_v direct_v in_o judgement_n by_o the_o judgement_n of_o other_o pastor_n either_o forego_n or_o accompany_v election_n and_o in_o his_o book_n of_o case_n of_o conscience_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 25._o num_fw-la 27._o actus_fw-la varii_fw-la ad_fw-la vocationem_fw-la pertinentes_fw-la possunt_fw-la aliis_fw-la committi_fw-la &_o ex_fw-la ordine_fw-la debent_fw-la à _fw-la praecipuis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la membris_fw-la vel_fw-la praesbyteâ—is_fw-la praestari_fw-la cura_fw-la etiam_fw-la ut_fw-la omne_fw-la rectè_fw-la fiant_fw-la pertinet_fw-la ad_fw-la magistratum_fw-la divers_n action_n pertain_v to_o the_o call_n of_o a_o minister_n may_v be_v commit_v to_o some_o and_o according_a to_o order_n must_v be_v perform_v by_o the_o 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two_o part_n election_n and_o ordination_n election_n be_v the_o choose_v out_o of_o a_o person_n or_o person_n most_o able_a to_o the_o office_n that_o vake_v by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o eldership_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o congregation_n to_o which_o shall_v be_v the_o person_n or_o person_n appoint_v ordination_n be_v the_o separation_n and_o sanctify_v of_o the_o person_n appoint_v to_o god_n and_o his_o kirk_n after_o he_o be_v well_o try_v and_o find_v qualify_v the_o ceremony_n of_o ordination_n be_v fast_v earnest_a prayer_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n let_v it_o be_v observe_v here_o that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v no_o otherwise_o make_v a_o ceremony_n then_o fast_v and_o earnest_a prayer_n propos_fw-fr iv_o the_o practice_n of_o those_o in_o these_o day_n who_o common_o preach_v and_o receive_v maintenance_n for_o so_o do_v refuse_v or_o neglect_v to_o be_v ordain_v be_v not_o to_o be_v justify_v by_o the_o scripture_n or_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o or_o approve_a example_n in_o any_o of_o the_o reform_a church_n but_o forbid_v in_o their_o book_n of_o discipline_n and_o condemn_v by_o their_o divine_n as_o the_o opinion_n and_o practice_n of_o anabaptist_n libertine_n arminian_n and_o socinian_o towards_o the_o clear_n of_o this_o examine_v these_o quotation_n follow_v crocius_n de_fw-fr eccl._n pont._n praejud_a dissert_n 6._o num_fw-la 9_o pag._n 139._o synop_n puri_fw-la theol._n disp_n 42._o num_fw-la 6._o &_o seq_fw-la joshua_n stegman_n photinlanis_n disp_n 53._o qu._n 1._o &_o 2._o p._n 608._o 613._o balthasar_n mentzerus_fw-la in_fw-la exegesi_fw-la augustane_n conf._n ad_fw-la be_v 14._o pag_n 639._o &_o seq_fw-la fredericus_fw-la balduinus_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 4._o de_fw-la casibus_fw-la conscientiae_fw-la casu_fw-la 1._o pag._n â—009_n idem_fw-la in_o brevi_fw-la instit_fw-la minist_n cap._n 6._o pag._n 40_o 41._o &_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 79._o johannes_n geâ—â—aâ—dus_n l._n c._n in_o fol._n de_fw-fr 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