Egypt should knowe the beautie of Sion ther is a cloude betweene you and us we have blessed be our God a pillar of fire before us An other fault you say in my former reason is that because the censure of the Church should redresse defaultes therfore ther needeth no liturgie Nay take all with you No fault can be censured that is not a transgression against the rules of Gods worde and those to be censured by the doctrine and admonitions of the Church therfore we neede no liturgies To the worde of God onely ought all men to be bounde by covenant and for the transgressions therof onely to be censured G. GIFFORD The Church hath this power to ordeine according to Gods worde and to appointe such orders in matters of circumstance c. as shall most fuly serve to edification And then these orders being established the Church is to drive men to the observation of them I. GREENWOOD First in this your papisticall mudde I must tell you your reading of mens writinges for prayer is a falle worship of God and not a matter of circumstance And for matters of order and circumstance which are no part of the worship ther can be no other lawes made of them then Christ hath made As for ordeyning of lawes in the Church it is to plead for unwritten verities and to make the lawe of God unsufficient neyther can it be according to the worde to make anie lawe that God hath not made but an adding to his worde which is execrable pride these your wordes then according to Gods worde was but a cloake to cover the grossenes of your position for the worde ordeyne or create lawes is to make some that are not made before let us then see your cleane sentence to be this The Church hath authority in matters of order and circumstance to make and ordaine lawes in his Church for his worship now see how you contradict these Scriptures Rev. 22.18.19 Prov. 30.5.6 everie worde of God is pure etc. put nothing to his worde least he reproove thee and thou be found a liar likewise Deut. 4.2 and 12.32 and Gal. 3.15 though it be but a mans covenant when it is confirmed no man doth abrogate it or superordeine anie thing to it And the second Commaundement forbiddeth anie such humaine tradition in the worship of God all the Popes trinckets might be brought in by the same grounde We would willingly have seene your warrant for this doctrine your bare worde is not sufficient to impose other lawes then God hath made upon his Church This is the foundation of Poperie and Anabaptistrie to give libertie to make lawes in the worship of God Yet you will goe furder that such lawes being ordeyned established by publique authoritie the discipline and censures of the Church are to drive men to the observation of the same By your judgment our Saviour Christ was an Anabaptisticall Schismatique that would not himself nor his Disciples obey and observe the traditions of the Elders And what saith he unto pleaders for traditions It is thus written Marke 7.5 then asked him the Pharises and Scribes whie walke not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders but eate meate with unwashed hands Then be answeared surely Isay hath prophesied well of you hypocrites as it is written this people honoreth me with their lippes but their heartes are far from me But they worship me in vayne teaching doctrines mens precepts For you lay the commaundement of God aside and observe the tradition of men And to helpe foorth your evill matter instead of proof from the scripture you fal out into furious exclamation against them that desire onely to have the worde practised saying who is able to imagine the innumerable divisions and offences in the practise of your anabaptisticall freedome in which you deny the Church to have power to ordeine and impose any orders lett all men judge the venemousnes of this tongue Christ pronunceth them accursed that add or superordeyne any thing to his worde and you pronounce judgement of them that onely obey his worde Shall it be said that Mr Gifford holdeth that the onely practise of Gods worde would be the cause of iunumerable divisions and offences This hath bene Satans old accusation in the mouth of the most enimies of Christs Gospell nowe it must be Mr Giffords accusation of Gods ordinances to be insufficient unperfect etc. fearfull is his Apostacy from that truth he hath knowen I take it it is more like to be Anabaptistry to practise any thing without warrant of the word to make their own devises lawes in Gods worship then to doe nothing but what God hath commaunded within the limites of our callings For the franticke ministery it came of your owne wordes that therfore you must needes have a leiturgie because ther are manie franticke spirits in the ministerie then I say it is like you have a frantick ministerie that cannot be governed without another liturgie then Christs Testament For their great giftes you speake of I will not compare with them My reason from the Colossians was that as the Church there is commaunded to admonish their Pastor Archippus if he transgressed and to stirr him up to his busines so all ministers that caused divisions contrary to the doctrine of Christ were to be admonished and avoyded if they repent not so that the worde of God and admonition by the same if they trāsgresse is the waye to keepe all men in due order and not imposing Leiturgies upon the Church besides Christs Testament And where you collected thus that if read Prayers and imposed liturgies be Idolatrous then wher will you finde a visible Church say you I answered that the true Church might erre even in this poynte though not in like height of sinne Then you desire that the Churches of England may find like favour at our hand to which I answeare let him that handleth that question with you shew you how your sinnes herein exceede other countries and persequute such as reprove you Your church as you all it cannot pleade ignorance Your rayling speaches of blind Schismatiques Donatists etc. bewray what sweet water is in the heart if you cannot prove your Church to be the established Church of Christ they light all upon your self Ther are none Schismatiques but such as departe from the faith shew wherein we have transgressed will not be reformed In the meane tyme you are Schismatiques from Christ in that you practise the Statutes of Omry You chardge us with pride for that you saye we imagine to knowe more then all the Churches uppon earth This also hath bene Satans old weapon to deface the truth Ierem. 18.18 why maye not a simple babe in Christ see that which whole nations have not seene we cannot but speake the things Gods Worde teacheth us if we speake trueth you need not oppose that we judge anie man it is the worde of God shall judge us all and I saye it is
More vvorke for PRIESTS OR AN ANSWERE TO GEORGE GIFFORDS pretended defence of Read Prayers and devised Leitourgies comprised in the first part of his booke Intituled A short Treatise against the Donatists of England Wherein Is proved that the serving of God in such away and manner is a superstitious and vaine worship Written By JOHN GREENWOOD Christs faythfull Martyr Here-unto Is added by another man many other arguments against stinted service and booke prayer Luk. 16. 15. That which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God Printed in the yeere 1640. The Preface MY first writing being about that spiritual exercise of prayer and true invocation of Gods reverend name whereby the distressed soule of man loaden with the burden of sinne compassed also about with so many deceitfull enimies continual assaults of Satan rebellion of the flesh entisements of the world etc. seeketh daylie help of God the Father giver of all good giftes having thorough Iesus Christ free accesse by the direction of his holy spirit for all occasions to unburden it self of whatsoever grief or occasion of thankes it is moved with I ought stil and by Gods assistance shall keepe me in the meeknes of the spirit not withstanding his unchristian railinges slanders reproches against me the truth I then shewed that no other prayer could utter and ease the severall occasions distresses of this conscience and that no other mans writing could speake for this soule unto God but the heart and mouth of him that prayeth for himself or is chosen the mouth of many uttering to God his or their mindes for their present wātes or occasion urgeth and the spirit giveth utterance And I further proved that onelie this prayer pleaseth God and is grounded on faith to this effect I brought many reasons out of Gods worde admiring the ignorance of this age wherin having had the gospell of Christ thus many years in our owne language to search and try all things by whole congregations doe make no other praier to God thē reading over a certeine number of wordes upon a booke from yeare to yeare moneth to moneth day to day c. the same matter and words as they were stinted even out of that Portuis englished out of Antichrists masse booke besides private reading of menswritings instead of praying And seing this counterfeit shew of worship and pretended prayers was made common marchandize in every assemblie by this Antichristian preisthood and that al men every where were compelled to bowe downe hereunto and to offer up such counterfeit sacrifices I perceaved the first principle of Religion which is to invocate the name of the true God through the meditation of Christ in spirit and truth with heart and voyce for our present wantes according to the will of God was never yet sincerely taught by these time serving Priests But as an agreable service to the humors of earthlie minded men which have not the spirit of God this ware was thrust upon al people They wel knowing that such a ministery and such a Church of wordlings could never have stood without such a Samaritan worship Egyptian calf and like earthlie devises to counterfeit a Religion al men inclyned to some And long have I heard this pretended worship inveyed against by many sometimes zealous for the errours and confused order thereof Yet could I not heare anie to sett downe or teach which was the true prayer that only pleased God manie contriving divers formes of wordes as though they had knowen the heart of man counselled thē to reade them day unto day yeare unto yeare at evening morning dinner supper c. by portion measure and stint as an offering to God what state soever the soule was in not teaching the difference betweene reading upon a booke and prayer unto God all the tyme So that true and only prayer hath not beene taught all this tyme those that knewe how to pray aright neglect it this reading being most easie as they thinke and they aptest therunto compelled in the publique assemblies thus to mocke with God after the manner of the papists mattins true zeale no where founde but in the persequuted remnant These my first writings caryed abroode by such as desired true instructiō and willing to make others partakers of such benefits as God imparted unto them it fell into Mr GIFFORDS hand Who as it seemeth being a marchaunt of such ware fynding the gaine of the priesthood to depend here upon or as he saith the peace and uniformitie of the Church made head unto it and that not with purpose as the fruite of his labour sheweth to edifie others but standing himself a minister to this Liturgie having made shipwrack of that conscience he sometimes was thought to have with all bitternes of spirit and carnal wisdome having no more savour of grace in his writings then there is taste in the white of an egge fleeth upō me with uncharitable raylings slanders c. And loadeth not only me but all the faithfull that walke by the rule of Gods worde with opprobrious titles of Donatists Brownists Anabaptists Heretiques Schismatiques seditious foolish frantick c. to bring not onely us but the truth of God into contempt with our Sovereigne Prince and all that feare God for he ceaseth not with laying al reproches he can devise upon our persons as one of those Locusts Rev. 9. whose similitudes are like unto horses prepared to battell whose faces like men but their teeth as the teeth of Lyons But also perverteth blaspheameth by all meanes defaceth the truth offered to him Welseing the natural mā perceiveth not the things of the spirit of God I wil speak not here of the giftes of the spirit but of the grace of God which sanctifieth the same many having Charismata that have not Charin And seeing I am alreadie thus rent Gods truth delivered by me troden under his feete I will followe the councell of Salomon who forewarneth me that he which reproveth a skorner receaveth to himself shame and he that rebuketh the wicked himself a blot And so tourne me from him leaving him to the consideration of his owne words where he sayeth in his Epistle to the reader He that seemeth most zealous in Religion and refrayneth not his tongue hath but bitternes in his heart in stead of heavenly Zeale And though nothing els can be looked for at their bandes that are Apostate from that light they have sometymes themselves published of vvhich sorte the worlde was never more full yet for the good of Gods chosen scattered abroade and for the defence of Gods trueth I cannot holde my tongue And for the more playnenes I will answeare as to him though I minde not to have anie more to doe with him till God give him repentance Wishing grace by the direction of Gods holy spirit to him that readeth to weigh both sides uprightly and to follow the truth to his owne salvation JO GRENWOOD More works for
by writing to be thrust upon the publique assemblies you are wide and now iustifie homilies insteed of preaching and written praiers instead of praying shew your warrant The CHVRCHES power is limited by the word G. GIFFORD When the prayers be framed and composed of nothing but the doctrine of the Scripture and after the rules of true prayer nothing is brought in which God hath not commanded J. GREENWOOD THis might have come in before your raylings but you sawe it was too silly where is that commaundement of God that all mens writinges in forme of prayer agreable to the Scriptures should be brought into the publique assemblies your bare worde is not enough to put me to silence And when you have gott them into the Church you must prove that God hath commaunded they should be read for praier Where I said our Sauiour Christ never vsed the wordes when he praied in that forme of praier he gave to his Disciples nether commaunded his Disciples to say over these wordes nether do we reade that ever his Apostles did use them or enforced others to vse anie certaine number of wordes you say I spake vntrulie For say you the Disciples desired him to reach them to pray as Iohn taught his Disciples and he commanded them when you pray say Our Father etc. Luke 11. and S. Math. an Apostle hath deliuered the same to the whole Church I answer I have never heard that Iohn Baptist taught his Disciples to say over certeyne wordes nether can it be gathered by our Sauiour Christes answere for he answeared not alwaies the verie demaunde according to their wordes but thereupon tooke occasion to instruct them as the sawe neede And I have proved by the 6. of Math. that our Saviour did not commaunde them to say over the very wordes when they prayd for the word Houtos in Mathew signifieth after this maner Againe that Math. recordeth not the very number or the very same wordes that Luke doth And now I reason thus if Christ had commaunded those very wordes to be said over in praying then we must alwaies when we pray say over those wordes for in Math. 6. he saith when you pray pray thus Our Father etc. The etc. The word when sheweth that this commaundement is to be observed at all tymes And then the Apostles sinned in praying other wordes Acts. 4.24.25 Furder it being the most summary forme of praier most ample most perfect etc. if those wordes were commaunded to be said over then we ought not to vse any others for he is accursed that bringeth not the best offrings he hath Malach 1.14 By all these it is euident that our Saviour nor his Evangelists tyed no man to the very wordes saying over but according to that forme and those instructions and now leave of your popish dreames Yet you would make men belive I reasoned thus that the Apostles did not nether our Saviour himself or anie that we reade of vse these wordes in praier therfore they did not use it Nay I said they did not vse these verie wordes in their praiers but vsed other wordes according to their particular wants as our Saviour in the 17. of Iohn is said to do therfore he nether vsed nor commaunded others to say over those wordes And so I may well cōclude that to impose certaine wordes to be read or said by roate for praying vpon the Church especiallie mens writings is an intollorable pride even a setting of men in the place of God Also that to vse them or bowe downe vnto them in that order is sinne and a breach of Gods lawe The fourth Argument Because true prayer must be of faith vttered with heart and lively voice it is presumptuous ignorance to bring a booke to speake for vs vnto God c. The fift Argument To worship the true God after an other maner then he hath taught is Idolatrie But he Commaundeth vs to come vnto him heavie loaden with contrite hearts to cry unto him for our wantes c. Therfore we may not vse reading of a dead letter instead of powring fourth out petitions The Sixt Argument We must strive in praier with continuance c. But we cannot strive in praier and be importunate with continuance reading vpon a booke Therfore we must not reade when we should pray G. GIFFORD These 3. I ioyned togeather as having no weight you say I answeare by plaine contradiction without Scripture c. And after wardes is not my bare deniall as good as you bare affirmation c. I. GREENWOOD STay your selves and wonder they are blind and make blind Is ther anie doctrine more spirituall anie more inculcated by the holy Ghost thē this accesse vnto God in the mediation of Christ by his owne spirit to make our mindes knowne vnto God to offer vp the fruits of his owne spirit in vs and fetch encrease from him by this secreat worke of true inuocation with the heart and voice This colloquie with the high maiestie of God is it a matter of no weight to learne to discerne between diverse exercises of the spirit and to exercise his graces aright according to his will Right is it said the wisedome of God is foolishnes to the naturall man But Mr GIFFORD wil say he graunteth the propositious true and weightie maters it is the Assumptions that be so frivolous as he said a litle after ridiculous wel let them he weyed 1. That reading instead of praying is not a powring fourth of the heart by lively voyce 2. That it is a quenching of the spirit to reade an other mans wordes vpon a booke in the very action of powring fourth our heart as we pretend 3. That it is not an vnburdening of a contrite heart by faith but an ignorant action to reade for praying 4. That we cannot strive in praier continue in praier be importunate etc. by reading vpon a booke These are matters he thinketh of so litle weight the bare deniall and contradiction wherof he holdeth of such credit that it must suffice for answere seing he saith he hath before proved the vse of reading See here he caleth it the vse of reading He could not say that reading is praying nether that these two exercises of our Faith can be vsed both in one instant as one action I have shewed that proseuche anagnosis praying and reading are divers actions both of the minde and body let the reader consider what weight then this matter is of to talk with the living God But for the benefit of such as have grace to savour the things that are of God I will a litle illustrate the Assumptions at least some of them 1. That it is a quenching of the spirit to reade an other mans wordes vpon a booke when I should powre fourth mine owne heart the word itself must be considered the Apostle commaundeth saying 1. Thessaloniaus 5.19 extinguish ye not the spirit Now to suppresse and leaue vnvttered the passions of our owne heart by the worke
God See if your Ordinarie will here be pleased with you Yet you would denie all this with the same breath by a shift saying The heart in moved when one heareth the prayer of the minister and presently sendeth fourth prayers together with him I trust you will not say that the heart of the hearer prayeth one thing and the Minister an other againe the praier of the minister is the prayer of the people by Gods ordinance whiles they think one thinge and are mert to one end for anoyding confusion one speaketh ye all pray togeather one thing But the minister may as well preach and pray or reade any chapter and praye as reade praiers and praye both in one action of the minde and voyce which were strange Your cavill then whether the heart may be moved and pray both at once is taken awaye seing you graunt reading and praying two severall excercises of the heart and voyce which cannot be performed at once with lively voyce The conclusion is then that either ye must fetch the matter out of your booke when you reade prayer and so do not pray for the particular wants wher with the heart is moued and pressed before you come or els you pray not with lively voyce at al when you read The Lorde then having taught vs to breake vp our owne hearts and powre fourth our petitions with heart and voyce give grace to al his people so to worship him The Seventh Argument We must pray as necessitie requireth But stinted prayers cannot be as necessity requireth Therfore stinted prayer is unlawfull G. GIFFORD To this I answered approving the Proposition And in the Assumtion I did distinguish of matters to be prayed for as that there be thinges necessarie to be praied for at all times and of all men of these a prescript forme may be vsed at all meetings of the Church there be matters not at all tymes needfull to be praied for for such there can be no prescript forme to be vsed contynually c. I. GREENWOOD I Have proved in the first Argument that no mens writtngs are to be brought into the publique assemblies for there the liuely graces of Gods owne spirit and Cononical Scriptures onely must be heard In the Seconde the vnlawfullnes of reading for praying in the third the vnlawfullnes to impose any thing by commaundement that God hath not commaunded And here we shall handle in few wordes the end of your stinted praiers Your distinction is far differing from the wisedome of the spirit for though many thinges be at all tymes needfull to the publique assemblies yet stand not the assemblies either all at any tyme or anie at all times in the same neede and feeling of them or fitnes to receave them so that except you cā make all assemblies in the same want of such thinges as are alwaies needfull or any at al times in the same preparednes to aske and use them that be needfull you can make no stinted prayers for them Give eare then to the Scripture in this point 1 Cor. 2.11 For what man knoweth the thinges of a man if not the spirit of man which is himself c. Againe who knoweth what shal be tomorrow Whiles you then thought to have founde out more then the only wise governour of his house lawe needfull for his worship in his Church and of every soule you have lifted up your self into his seate and taken the office of his spirite upon you who searcheth the heartes and knoweth the reynes and teacheth his people how and when to aske according to his will and their needs Rom. 8.26.27 also the spirit helpeth our infirmities for what we should pray as we ought we know not But the spirit it self maketh request for us with sighs and groanes which can not be expressed Yet searching the heartes knoweth the meaning of the spirit because he maketh request for the saincts according to the will of God And wher you say then that if we marke the prescript forme of prayers of all Churches we shall see this regard that nothing be left out which is necessarie etc. This bewrayeth your shallownes the wisedome of the flesh is foolishnes with God who hath searched the depth of Gods spirit or knowne the minde of man who can prescribe the estate of all Churches and what every moment is needfull to be praied for Odious then is such drosse of a fleshly mans heart Your second provision that nothing be prayed for in your liturgy that falleth seldom out but they are limited to the time Your Church hath not this provision you compell men to pray against thunder and lightning at midd winter and in your most solemne feastes against sodeine death But the truth is till you amend your wayes God will accept no sacrifice of you much lesse requireth this at your handes to doe more in his worship then he hath commaunded And where you say in the Church of England the preachers are not limited touching the matter of their prayers it is not true you are all sworne to your portuis howsoever you may omitt some of it for your Sermons and under pretext therof what part you will And why is ther not a forme for prayer prescribed to be used after and before your Sermons is it because the text is not allwayes the same or that the speaker is not in like fitnes or the auditorie in the same preparednes I assure you these thinges might be sufficient cause why you cannot use alwaies the same wordes and pray according to your necessities and even so standeth the case for al other affaires in the Church The disposition of the soule and the distresses thereof continve not in one state one howre But let me tell you why you have no forme of praier for your preachings In manie of your parishes or as you would have them Churches Sermons are of those rare thinges whereof you saye ther can be no prescript forme of praier yea your liturgie approveth a ministerie and sufficyent administration without anie doctrine which sheweth it came out of the divells forge and not out of Christes Testament But seing you would take vpon you to set so manie prescript formes of prayer as ther are thinges necessarie for every assemblie to pray for wher Christ hath set none And if it were a thing so necessarie to have prescript wordes at the administration of the Sacraments I asked you whether our saviour Christ had not forgott himselfe as you thought that when he commaunded his ministers to go preach and baptise and shewed them the wordes of institution and the Elementes to be vsed with all things thervnto needfull he did not prescribe some forme of wordes for prayer in particular In the tabernacle every pinne was prescribed so that ether such formes of praier are not necessarie or Christes Testament hath some wants To this you answere that it is not of necessitie ther should be a sett forme of praier prescribed for the administration of
him yet he persisteth Namely that the regenerate man may be said to stand in bondage to sinne by reason of the corruption of the fleshe that is in us and of our unperfectnes in this life Then that one standing in outward bondage to open knowen sinne may in that estate be accompted and communicated with as the servant of Christ by outward profession both at one instant which is as much to say we may be to mans sight the servant of the Devill and the servant of Christ both at one tyme by outward profession so none should be excommunicate none be without the world and the church light and darknes Christ and Belial should be mingled togeather These heresies wherof he most unjustly and untruly proclaymeth to be mainteyned by us is that the regenerate man consenteth not to sinne after regeneratiō although in the last writinge I testified the contrary Namely that the whole church might erre might committ some kinde of Idolatrie that no man was free from committing sinne etc And now I testifie to all the world that I was never infected with anie such Anabaptistery but have everie where resisted such damnable heresie I have learned and taught manie degrees of sinne and differences of transgressions which the deare children of God fall into after regeneration in thought word and deed of ignorance of knowledge of presumption slippes transgressions and obstinate sinne Yea that ther is no sinne except the sinne against the holy Ghost but Gods children may commit it after regeneration and be renued by repentance which we ought to pray for in all sinners but that one sinne except Not that men should here upon take boldnes to sinne because God giveth repentance to his elect wherin the riches of his mercy appeareth but rather serve him in trembling and feare as a jealous God least with Esaw we find no place to repentance though we seeke it with teares Againe though in Gods sight his elected are never forsaken utterlie nor the Holy Ghost utterly extinguished in the repentance yet to mans jndgement he that committeth open knowen sinne and persisteth obstinately in the same cannot be held the child of God to us by outward profession but must be cutt of Numbers 15.27.31 Matt. 18.17 and 1 Cor. 5. till they repent Much more none that stand open professed members of the false Church subject by the least outward bowing downe to this antichristian Hierarchie and so continuing in bondage to a false government can be holden of us be true professors of Christs Gospel Now let us peruse the several doctrines Mr Gifford affirmeth that the true Church might stand in bondage to a false government yet in that estate be helde communicated with as the true Church by outward profession his wordes in waye of proof be these They may with St. Paule say It is no longer I that doe it but sinne that dwelleth in me for if the yoake wherwith he was held captive in part could not sake from him but that he was the Lordes free servant it is no reason that some outwarde bondage should make the Church not to be the spouse of Christ If a man commaund his wife saith he to do a thinge and ther be violent force to withold her shee is not to be blamed Rom. 7. Mine answere to this he durst not print but perverted my wordes so manie as pleaseth him nether can I yet come by a copie of my former writing to shew what I then replyed Now consider what government is and what bondage is and then behold the wickednes of this man Spiritual government is that soueraigntie Dominion and regiment that Christ Iesus by his spirit lawes ordinances and officers exerciseth in and over his church as it is written And thou Bethlehem Iuda art not the least among the Princes of Iuda for out of thee shall come a governour that shall governe my people Israell againe thy Scepter is an everlasting Scepter I have set my king vpon Syon my Holy mountaine Mat. 26. Psal. 3. and 45 and 110 these lawes and ordinances wherby this kinge raigneth are caled a kingdome that cannot be shaken Heb. 12.28 they that have not him to reigne over them are by outward profession none of his If I be your Lord where is my honour againe those myne enimies which would not that I should reigne over them bring hither and stay them before me Luke 19.27 Also bondage or servitude is to be commaundement and to yeild obedience in subiection Now to be in outward bondage to an other outward government other lawes officers and ordinances then Christs is to be by outward subiection servants of Antichrist which hath another foundation for by outward profession we cannot stand to mans iudgement professed subiects to two kings at enmitye But we must be an enmity to the one and so esteemed of all men much lesse members vnto two divers heades This then is mine answere here 1. That it is an heresie to say a man may stand in bondage to open knowen sinne and the free seruaunt of Christ by outward profession both at one instant 2 That it is a falsifying of the Scripture to say that St. Paul in the 9. to the Romanes was in bondage to sinne when he in the inner man resisted sinne and daylie preuailed against the sinne which his flesh would have led him captiue in if there had not beene a stronger power to overcome that enimie For he ther reasoueth of the benefits of the law to manifest our sinne and our conquest over sinne by daylie repentance and reproving of sinne in our selves fighting against sinne in our selves and labour to have victory over sinne though it continuallie rebell 3. How blasphemous were it to contynue in knowen sinne in bondage to it and to say it is sinne that dwelleth in vs and not we and so still to blesse our selves without amendement O horrible peruertinge of the Scriptures to mens distruction 2. Pet. 3.16.4 That ther is no Argument to be drawen nor consequence to followe from the reliques of sinne and corruption of the fleshe in one man or the whole Church and a professed bondage to all false government no not betweene the open committing of sinne in the whole Church or some members therof and a professed homage and subiection vnto false government we cannot be partaken be partakers with the false Church state at no hand 1. Cor. 10.21.5 Lastlie that the subiection to an other government is as a wife that committeth adulterie Hosea 2. I then reason thus on the contrary with you Any man that after regeneration committeth open knowen sinne and contynueth obstiuate as a bond servaunt ther vnto standeth not the professed servaunt of Christ but of sinne Ezechiel 18. till he repent so the whole Church that persisteth in the open knowen sinne and persequuteth the messengers that reprove the same They as everie member of the false Church standeth a professed servaunt of sinne so the whole assemblies that stand