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A56284	Scotlands holy vvar a discourse truly, and plainly remonstrating, how the Scots out of a corrupt pretended zeal to the covenant have made the same scandalous, and odious to all good men, and how by religious pretexts of saving the peace of Great Brittain they have irreligiously involved us all in a most pernitious warre / by H.P. ...	Parker, Henry, 1604-1652.	1651 (1651)	Wing P421; ESTC R40061	65,174	82

we cleer our selves in point of Church-Reformation for having covenanted to reform in Doctrine Discipline c. according to the word of God and the patterns of the best Reformed Churches we are bound as the Scots maintain to take our pattern from them and that we as yet refuse to do This is the grand and most heynous charge the Scots have against us and because we follow not the modell of Scotland which they hold the best Reformed Church in Christendom they seek to overwhelm us with a thousand calumnies and labour to possesse the world that wee are nothing else but a Lerna of Heresies and a sinck of all uncleannesse To this we answer 1. When wee are bound to reform according to the word of God and the examples of the best Churches wee conceive the word of God signifies all the examples of other Churches signifie nothing at all for those are the best Churches that reform neerest to the word of God and what Churches have neerest Reformed cannot be known but by the word of God it self so that that instance might have been spared 2. If it come to tryal by the word of God whether the Scots Reformation be the best or no the Scots therein can challenge no more priviledg of judging then we or any other Church When we were governed by Bishops the Gospel of Christ was as purely delivered in England and as heartily embraced by the English any being Judges besides the Scots as ever it was in Scotland and shall it be said that because wee have cast off Bishops and thereby come some steps neerer to the Scots our Doctrine remaining still the same without all innovation shall it be said that our very approaches have ●●st us backward It will be required at their hands who are intrusted with the government of Christs Church that his word and Ordinances be piously and duly dispensed and it will be required at their hands who are governed that the dispensation of Christs words and Ordinances be faithfully and sincerely entertained but if the Governors rightly discharge their duty and the governed fail of theirs the Governors shall not answer for what they cannot help 't is God that gives the encrease and does the saving inward work the Minister cannot go beyond planting watering and doing that which is the outward work 'T is one thing therefore for the Scots to upbraid the Flock and another thing to upbraid the Overseers of the Flock and yet the Scots constantly take an advantage against us by confounding these two things For the people of England we must confesse they have been of late too much tainted with Heresies and monstrous opinions pudet hae● opprobria nobis dici potuisse non potuisse refelli I hope all good men are grieved and humbled for it but let the Scots consider 1. That growing of Tares in Gods Field does not alwayes shew that the Husband-man sowed ill grain the contrary rather is true inasmuch as the more busie the good Husband-man is culturing and improving the Earth the more sollicitous ever the Enemie is in casting in his malignant seeds the more readily eager he is to debosh mar the crop It was so with the Church of Christ in it's Infancy it was so under Constantine in it's maturity it was so in Luthers dayes when it began to recover out of a long lethargy and we must expect the like now when our aces are set upon the last and greatest calcination as ever the Church saw as Reformation now in the ends of the world when the chiefe mysteries of iniquity begin to be revealed will most annoy Sathan so Sathan will double his rage to annoy us accordingly Hornius the Dutch-man a great friend of the Scots and who in favour of the Scotch Presbytery has written a bitter Tract in Latine to defame us in Germany after he has represented us as the most leprous contaminated Nation in the world yet confesses withall that to the prodigious revoltings of some amongst us there is an answerable improvement of others in burning zeale and shining sanctity In Religion beauty and deformity are not inconsistent those times often which have been most glorious for divine dispensations of knowledge and grace have been likewise most deplorable for persecutions and apostacies and this has ever been a great stumbling block to carnall minds If therefore the great Lyon range and roare and ramp lesse in Scotland then in England let not our Brethren boast of it or think themselves the more safe 2. Let not partiality blind the Scots Strangers think Scotland ha's as great cause of humiliation as England if not greater Iliacos intra muros peceatur extra It were more Christian-like in them and lesse Pharisaicall to aggravate their own sins and extenuate other mens then to extenuate their own sins and aggravate other mens and if they wil remit nothing at all of their rigour against us yet let them not stuffe their long catalogues of Pseudodoxies with such wandring terms as Familisme Erastianisme Independentisme c. which taken improperly may reach the best Saints of God and are seldome used properly by any 'T is a sad thing to offend Gods little ones 't is a more sad thing to deprave many congregations of Gods most precious ones 3. Whatsoever judgement the Scots will take upon them to passe against the people in England yet let them not alway set upon the Magistrates or Ministers account what they find reprovable in the people let them not call us fedifragous for not redressing things beyond us and such as none can redresse besides God but this has been toucht upon already Let us therefore see what is peculiarly objected to the present governing power in England The Magistrate in England is charged to be an Enemie to Magistracy a strange charge certainly The very last answers we had this last Summer to our Declarations upon the march of our Army into Scotland tell us from the Committee of Estates and Commissioners of the Assembly that our expedition into Scotland is to overturn Religion and government Civill and Ecclesiasticall and to set up amongst them the same vast toleration of Religion as we have done in England Now if this were true the sins of the People would become the sins of the Magistrate but what credite can this obtain in the world As for the overturning of civill power that is answered already we confesse a change of the Form but we deny any overturning of the thing cal'd Government in England and wee hope our actions here and in Ireland and in other Forreign parts yea our War in Scotland also will quit and essoyn us of anarchy and ere long make the Scots swalow downe their own untruths with open shame As for the overturning Ecclesiasticall also that may be as resolutely and justly denyed as the other for that lawfull power which was in Bishops before is still in being and though we have not committed it so intirely unto

to his Church and therefore when they will animate the people against us in war they tell them that God cannot deliver up his Turtle dove and his Covenant into the hands of such Enemies Now because we come not up to this hight of adoration we seem despisers of the Covenant in the Scots eyes and because we seem despisers of so holy a thing accounted by them the very soul of Religion and policy their gall flows out most violently against us They tell us we have brought great scandall and reproach upon the Name of God the Name of his people and the study of piety that we have not onely broken the Solemn League and Covenant betwixt God and these Nations but have in effect rejected it and trampled upon it are become enemies to all the ends of it yea persecuters of the servants and people of God for their adherence to it This in effect has been their burthen against us for divers yeers though it be as void of truth as it is of charity and though we who may more justly instance in this and divers other things as breaches of the Covenant on their parts have never made the Covenant any ground of quarrell or reproach against them T is far from us to under-value the Covenant we hold it a religious tie of mutuall assistance betwixt the Nations against the common Enemies of Religion Liberty and Union and so we think honorably of it only we make it no spell nor idol nor can we beleeve that it ties us to any duty which our Pretestation and Vow tied us not to before nor did our Protestation and Vow create any new duties to us when we first entred into them In the next place though there be many heavy breaches of Covenant ubrayded to us yet all of them resolve into these two That we make not good what we have covenanted for either to God or to the King They could never say till this last Summer nor can they truly say so of us last Summer that we ever entred their Countrey to disturbe their peace to claim or usurp any share in their Government to lay taxes seize Towns waste Villages and destroy Natives amongst them as they have done amongst us all that they can object to us is concerning injuries done to other parties within our own territories where by the Covenant they have no jurisdiction at all In the behalf of God they complain that our professed Faith is nothing else but a mixture of Arrianisme Socinianisme Antinomianisme Familisme Antiscripturisme Anabaptisme Erastianisme and Independency but they know well that for matter of Doctrine we still retain the old Articles of our Church without any staggering at all in the least and for matter of Discipline we are willing to comply with them so far as they comply with Gods Word but in this we have our eyes in our heads as well as they and t is no Law for us to damne the opinion of Erastus or the person of any Independent because they by them are dishonorably spoken of The truth is the Independent departs not so far from Erastus as the Presbyterian and Erastus is no Freind to the supreme power of Synods nor the uncontroulable dominion of Priests and this makes the Independent so injurious to God otherwise call'd the Kirk otherwise call'd Kirkmen were it not alone for this sin in the Independent Arrainisme Socinianisme c. though we were therewith more infected then the Scots as we are not would make no breach of Covenant at all amongst us In behalf of the King they complain that we have treated him not onely as an Enemy to the Covenant but also irreconcileable to the very being of our State and hereupon they take upon them to bewail the hard condition of the English that they are loaded with so many and so great taxes and subjected so rigorous and obdurate Laws which shall receive Answers in due place But in the mean time t is neither the Kings nor the peoples sufferings that stirs such a deal of compassion and zeal in the bowels of our fellow-Covenanters t is the change of our Government by which they perceive at last they themselves are verie great loosers The truth is the difference betwixt the King and us heretofore was of great advantage to them and this advantage though it was no property or right of theirs but a wrong and damage of ours is now faln away from them The King shall now have no more occasion to give them pensions in Scotland nor gratifications here to do us dis-service in behalf of his Prerogative nor shall we be any more bound to hire their service against the Crown and we must know that these double offices or ambidextrous versatile arts of doing services and dis-services was as great a revenue to them especially since these last troubles as the intra does of all Scotland Now this therefore in the third place may save us our labour of further inquiry about the ends and aims of the Scots in their exclamations and expostulations against us when they contest in behalf of the Covenant We see what the Clergie in Scotland and here are so thirstie of they would fain have Consistories in every Parish where they might have a free power to dispence the Ordinances of Christ to such as prove observant of them and to cast out all that are not submissive enough and for fear Lay Judges should ballance too much there they would have Classes above better defecated of such secular persons and for fear lest those Classes should be controuled by Parliaments they would have Assemblies above all to act for Christ in all matters whatsoever military or judiciall wherein Christs Throne that is the Kirk may be concerned No Protestant Bishops ever aspired to so sollid a power on earth nay except in the Popes own Patrimony where He is a Prince no Bishops in Europe und●r any other Lay Princes are allowed to sit and act so independently upon a Commission so large as the Scotch Assemblies do and therfore we cannot wonder if such a new Hierachy as this of the Presbyterians be so desirable amongst our Kirk-men Furthermore when such impetuous appetites of all the Clergie in Scotland backs with some thousands of ours in England shall also fall in at the same time with the interests of so many of the Nobility Gentry and Souldiery in Scotland as drove a very thriving trade heretofore by siding sometimes with the King against us at other times with us against the King and these things can be no other way compast or pretended to but by the ambiguous sense of the Covenant we cannot wonder if the Covenant be held so venerable a thing as it is in Scotland and made the price of blood and war as to every puntilio in it More then this needs not be said of the Scotch Presbyterians if as much could be said of the English Independents and that they may have as fair hopes and probable ends

Presbyteries and Assemblies as the Scots would have us to the dishonouring of our Common wealth yet we have preserved it from abolition and utter dissolution The truth is in pursuance of our Covenant we have consulted with a Synod of Divines about the best method of Discipline and they are not able to satisfie us that the word of God the rule limited by the Covenant for our Reformation does invest any convention of Clergy-men who claim to be the only due Representants of the Church and immediate Vice-gerents of Christ with supremacy of independent power in all causes Ecclesiasticall The Pope claims no more in the pale of the Italian Church the Popish Cardinals and Bishops in Spain France c. claim lesse and the Protestant Prelates whom we lately ejected for Usurpers never claimed halfe so much Now the word of God is so farre from holding forth to us any such vast power in persons Ecclesiasticall that it's information is contrary viz. That the Apostles and Disciples of our Saviour for many years after his death assumed no more Authority on earth then he assumed that our Saviour plainly disclaimed all jurisdiction and dominion in this world that by pract●se as well as precept he quasht all rivality about power or precedence amongst his own dearest followers Besides if any such spirituall supremacy were vested by divine right in any such Representants of the Church and vicars of Christ it were necessary that exact obedience in all things should bepayd them by all Inferiours and if such obedience were due it would be consequently necessary that they should be free from errour else the alleadged supremacy would serve to no great purpose and we know God and nature produce not great matters but for purposes as great This made the Romish Hierarchists rationally assert an infallible spirit when they had once asserted an ūlimitable power in the Church for where the Scripture is clear there needs no soveraign Judg every man is a sufficient Interpreter to himselfe and where the Scripture is doubtfull the doubt is to be cleared by something else of the same indisputable authority or else that defect is not supplyed no● can the same submission be demanded Wherefore upon this account we say that unlesse our supream Church Lords when they take us off from our own judgments cannot convince us by divine authority of cleer Scripture wil not convince us of some other divine authority in themselves of the same alloy as Scripture is for the inforcing of our acquiescence they deale worse with us then the Pope does with his Vassals Moreover that power in the Church which Eclipses and perturbes civill power cannot be supposed to be of Christs institution but such is the power of the Clergy in Scotland many ways Ergo For first clashings may be about what is purely a Civill case and what is purely Ecclesiasticall and all such clashings are exceeding dangerous 2 Since there are very few cases that are not mixt and as few mixt cases that are not unequally mixt great questions may arise to whether Tribunall the case shall be first refer'd when it is equally mixt and how the Tribunalls shall agree upon executing their decrees where the case is unequally mixt especially if the decrees be contrary as they may be In the year 1648. the Representative State of Scotland Voted a war with England necessary the Representative Kirk Voted the same unlawfull which contrary Votings might have confounded both for if the war was necessary the State might suffer much by the Churches seditious malediction and if the war was unlawfull yet the people having no more warrant to obey the Ecclesiasticall then Civill power in matters of that nature must needs be in a strange distraction and that distraction at that time might have created ethquakes in the whole Nation It should seem want of force in the party adhering to the Kirk preserved them at that time from a bloodie ingagement against the contrary party which might have devoured and swallowed up all For as soon as Hamilton was defeated in England the Kirk party got help from the English Army and by force wrested the Government out of Lannericks hands and then again had not Lannericks side been too weak another flame might have been kindled and perhaps have continued unquenched to this day Now if the temporal sword be in part spirituall and the cases of warre be held so equally mixt in Scotland that both the supreme independent Councels claim an equall judgement in them and do sometimes judge contrarily and there can be yet no certain rule given for the reconciling of those contrarieties it is manifest that these two coordinate powers may be destructive to the people and it is as manifest that no destructive institution can derive it self from God Much more might be said of the encroachments of the Clergie upon the Laity in cases mixt by pretending sometimes to an equality of interest in some cases where the Laities ought to be greater and pretending to all at other times where the Laities interest ought to be equall the Popish Clergie scarce ever used more jugling and trumperie in these affairs then the Presbyterian Ministery now uses In the stating of the present war in Scotland the Kirkmen go hand in hand with the Committee of Estates and in their Answers to our English Declarations they interpose in all points whatsoever whether religious politick juridicall or military and whether they be points of Law or matters of fact But if a Minister preach sedition in a Pulpit this appertains not to the secular Magistrate for though sedition be a secular busines and sedition may be preacht by a Minister in a Pulpit yet a Ministers Pulpit sedition is no matter for secular cognizance Was the Laity ever worse bridled when it was the Popes Asse But of this no more I will onely touch briefly upon the end of all this spirituall coordination and so shut up this point The Clergie of Scotland have spoken great and magnificent things of the use of their spirituall sword and the principall allegation for it was that without such a sword in the hands of the Kirk secular Princes and Grandees could not be awed and restrained in many enterprises and crimes very dangerous to the Church But who can imagine they ever beleeved themselves herein when in the processe of all our late wars that very Kirk it self which told the King He was guilty of a deluge of blood and had made himself and his throne and his posterity obnoxious to Gods high indignation thereby yet never offered to strike with the weapon of excommunication all that while if there was any correcting restraining healing recovering vertue in that weapon why did they uncharitably forbear to use it why did they not pitie those multitudes of Innocents that perished daily under his fury why did they suffer the King himself to run on and die in his persecutions And if their pretended weapon had really no such