Christum And a little after to Bellarmine objecting the dangers which may follow in popular elections hee answereth The danger is not so great ubi conjunctus est Clerus actionem dirigit Presbyterium praesertim consilio auctoritate vicinorum Episcoporum Ecclesiarum accedente And after that Et boni vicini quoque accedant ex ordine Not. 27. fratres alti ex communi officio charitatis si quando opus est prout Ambrosium fecisse Nediolanensi Ecclesiae narrat Theodor. hist lib. 4. cap. 7. In the Primitive times one Church might elect and chuse a Pastor for another and the Governours of one Church were chosen by the confent and suffrage of others Ignatius writeth thus to the Philadelphians It behoveth you as the Church of God to chuse a Bishop Of what Church would Ignatius have the Philadelphians to chuse a Bishop Not of their owne The Church of Christ was guided by the common conâ—enâ— and mutuall agreement of both parts as well East as West as a peares in the case of Athanasiu◠〈…〉 Arian Haec quidem Aegyptii ad omnes ad episcopum Romanâ—â— Iâ—l um scripsâ—â—e 〈◊〉 apol 2. Sozom l. 3. c. 7.10 11. Ignat. ad 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theod. l. 2. ca. 4. Basil Ep. 48. 〈◊〉 Athan. â—1 occiden◠〈…〉 69. 〈◊〉 Gallis 70. Gall. et Jtal. epâ—se 74. occident ep se See 〈◊〉 〈…〉 Or to fend some sufficient legate to heale the breach that was made and quench the flame that was kindled in his Church at Antioch 〈…〉 Govern ca. 7. pa. 76. 〈…〉 13. Cyyrian meant this of such mutuall aâ—d and concord as might profit the Church and well beseem the servants of Christ but allows not that men should run to 〈◊〉 for helpe against the judgement and acts of their Pastors Cypr. 〈◊〉 Epist 3. 4. for in the beginning of his Epistle he greatly commendeth the Bishop which they had already But he exhorteth them to elect a Pastor of the Church at Antioch as the words before going doe make it evident All Bishops saith Cyprian sunt mutuae comcordiae glutine copulatae that if any one hold haeresie the rest should helpe and therefore he moved Stephanus the Pope to write to the Bishops in France that they should depose the Bishop of Arles and to the people that they should chuse another in his roome Theod. l. 5. c. 23. Cypr. l. 4. epist. 8. See Iun. Eccles l 3. c. 1 Amb epist 82. See what Socrates reporteth of the election of Chrysost Socr. hist l. 6. ca. 2. Theod. hist l. 4. c. 6 See Theod. bust l. 5. c. 8. Sozom. l. 7. c. 8. Socr. l. 6. c. 2. Iun. eccles l. 3. c. 1. Erat sanetum talis politia in Ecclesia sicut membrorum in uno corpore ubi omnia uni compatiuntur prespuiunt medentur Illitici catal test lib. 2. p. 109. Theodoret testifieth In the ordination of a Bishop All the Bishops of a Province ought to be called together Cornelius Bishop of Rome was confirmed of the Bishops of Africk Gregorius Presbyter in the life of Nazianzene affirmeth of the Bishops of Macedonia and Egypt that they contradicted the election of Nazianzene because he was made Bishop before they came Ambrose writeth That his election was confirmed of all the Bishops of the East and West and Theodoret That Valentinian the Emperor confirmed it also Election therefore was not ever made by the particular congregation where the Pastor or Teacher was to administer but other Churches and specially the Guides by common consent were called to assist the Church in that weighty businesse And this the Non-conformists judge not only lawfull but meet expedient necessary in some cases And therefore in many particulars they except against the proposition as none of theirs and against your confident assertion that you were sure the propositions were both theirs when as it is neither found in them nor in any writer ancient or moderne nor in the holy Scriptures And when you peruse the testimonies alledged Rhemists annot in Ioh. 10. §. 1. be judge your selfe whether you did not grossely mistake or abuse your Reader when you cite the Rhemists as if they pleaded for the Parochial election of a Pastour as onely lawfull As for the Assumption It is true the Ministers of the Church of England are not ordained by the particular Congregations where they administer nor is it necessarie to a true and entire calling that it should be so That they be not approved of the particular society is false in many of them for they are chosen by their consent to be their Ministers though not absolutely to the Ministerie it selfe And in case they be not so called it is a maime and defect Parker de polit Eccl l. 1. c. 14. Deducere quidem conantur illi ex majoribus nostris minores quasdam sed absurdas inconsequentes Neque enim si necessaria disciplina sit in verbo Dei tradita idcirco separatio sicubi corrumpatur sacienda sâ—atim est nulla connexionis vi hoc porisina sequitur which should be reformed whether it be through the ignorance of the people or the Lawes of the Kingdome or the pride and covetousnesse of them that thrust themselves into that calling or neglect of Patrons or what else soever But this maime doth not make a nullitie of their calling nor the Word and Sacraments dispensed by them to be ineffectuall For in every Church where the doctrine of salvation is soundly and intirely preached and professed the calling of the Ministerie is for substance true and lawfull The Nonconformists therefore in reproving the abuses of the Ministerie and yet holding communion with the Church of England in the ordinances of worship See Calvin Instit l. 4. c. 1. §. 12 13 14 15 c. doe walke according to their own Principles the doctrine and practice of the Churches of God in all ages and direction of the holy Scritures The Non-conformists reprove the tumults of the people in election without the direction of the Presbyters Whitak de pont Rom. contr 4. qu. 1. c. 2 p. 16. Iâ—a v. admissa est populi multitudo ut vitaretur omnis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ne ecclesia esset 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ut Act. 19.32 Bilson perpet Gov. Epist to the Read Right Apostolick Bishops were such as were left or sent by the Apostles to be Pastors of the Church and Governors of the Presbyteries in every city that beleeved so long as they ruled well and in their stead as their successors to receive charge of ordaining others for the worke of the Ministerie and guiding the Keyes with the advice and consent of such as laboured with them in the Word and Doctrine Id. ca. 4. Without proofe the Church must not beleeve nor regard thy speech and proofe thou hast none One and the same person cannot be both Accusant and Deponent and in
negligence unjust usurpation or the like The right of government in Christs name belongeth unto them because it flowes from the ordinance and constitution of Christ as a proper adjunct which cannot be separated from the subject But the action it selfe of government may be n A disput part 3. c. 8. p. 189. When we teach that the Pastour or Pastours of every particular Church or congregation with the Elders of the same being met together have power to bind and loose we understand this onely of such places wherein a competent number of understanding and qualified men may be had to make up an Eldership hindred divers wayes when the being of the Church is not destroyed The Pastours and Teachers may be ignorant of their priviledges and so give away that which of right belongeth unto them or they may be negligent in the execution of their office and not heedfully attend to the Ministery committed unto them The greater part may prevaile against the better or some few may usurpe into their owne hands the power which belongeth unto the Societie which being once gained cannot easily be regained or redeemed in which cases the lawfull action of government is hindred when yet the Church remaineth the true Church of Christ Thus it hath been with the o Ambros in 1 Cor. cap. 5. The Apostle decreed that by the consent and in the presence of all men hee should be cast out of the Church c. Church of God in all ages ever since there was a Church upon the face of the earth And from this fountaine have sprung the errors abuses and corruptions which have prevailed in the Church of God For if p Hieron ad Heâ—iodor in Id. ad Reparium advers Vigilantium disorders get head of necessitie the action of government is some way hindred or neglected Now to your Assumption First Every particular q August contr eâ— Parm. lib. 3. c. 2. Societie of beleevers in the Church of England or singular Pastour of this or that Congregation hath not the power of government neither doth it of right or by divine gift belong unto the communitie of the faithfull or one singular Pastour Secondly The power of Government as it consisteth in discerning betwixt the precious and the vile admonishing the inordinate and excommunicating the obstinate is considered either in respect of the substance parts and duties thereof or in respect of the ordering and administration by such persons and in such a course This distinction must be granted or else all the Churches which administer discipline amisse in any circumstance at any time must be charged to have no discipline at all and they that commit the administration of discipline to persons in mens opinion not designed by Christ not to have the discipline of Christ for substance For example they that commit the execution of discipline to the Presbytery or Classis have not the discipline of Christ in the judgement of the Separation because Christ as they say hath committed it to the communitie or body of the Societie And they that commit the power of government to the r Chrysost in Math. Hom. 83. No small vengeance hangeth over your heads if you suffer any hainous offender to be partaker of this Table people or communitie joyntly with the Elders in the judgement of reformed Churches have not the discipline of Christ because he hath committed it to the Presbytery And every act of government may be excepted against as a nullity because in some circumstance or other the order prescribed by Christ is not fully observed This then considered the Church of England is not without the s If any Prince would be baptized or approach to the Lords Table with manifest shew of unbeliefe or irrepentance the Minister is bouÌ„d freely to speak and rather to lay downe his life at the Princes feet then to let the King of Kings be provoked the mysteries defiled his own soule and the Princes endangered for lacke of often and earnest admonition discipline of Christ for substance whether the word be taken largely or strictly whether we respect right or execution but the outward forme and ordering of the discipline is not in all things according to the Word of God Iâ— by divine right the power of government belongeth either to the societie of Church-governours or the communitie of the faithfull it belongeth also to the Pastours Teachers Elders Assemblies among us As for the execution of discipline largely taken all men know the Word is truely preached and the Sacraments are duely and rightly t Bilson Christian subj part 2. p. 302. If you meane they may not minister the Sacraments unto Princes without faith repentance which God requireth of men that shall be baptized or have accesse to his Table we grant they must rather hazzard their lives than baptize Princes which beleeve not or distribute the Lords mysteries to them that repent not Bilson Christ subj part 3 p. 2. part 3. p. 248. If the Prince will not submit himselfe to the rules and precepts of Christ but wilfully maintaine heresie open impurity the Bishops are without flattery to reprove and admonish the Prince of the danger that is imminent from God and if he persist they must cease to communicate with him in divine prayer and mysteries Bils Ch. sub part 3. pag. 63 64. 74. administred and in what societie soever God is truely worshipped of necessitie the discipline of Christ is in some sort observed If we speake of discipline more strictly all men know the Church of England by doctrine professeth by Law hath established and daily practiseth for substance the execution of the very discipline of Christ The ordering and administration of the censures as it is in the Church of England is faultie and corrupt and how the godly have laboured according to their places the redresse of that evill is not unknowne to the world in part But the want of due execution of discipline or disordered administration thereof doth not argue the Church to want discipline but the due ordering of discipline nor to be no Church but to be defective and much out of order In the Church of the Jewes in the old u Jer. 20.1.2 3. 29.26 27 Mat. 10.17 Iude v. 4.7.8.10 Testament there was many times great neglect of discipline and abuse thereof In the Churches of the New Testament as in Corinth Galatia the Churches to which James and Jude wrote and Rome the execution of discipline could not take place or was much neglected Diotrephes usurped over the Church and corrupted the discipline when the Church continued the true Church of Christ and the faithfull abode in that societie This instance Dr Ames truely alledged to shew that the reprovers of abuses doe not lay the foundation of schisme or separation from the Church which x Can. Neces of Separat pag. 163. you doe well to spurne at because you know not how to remove it For
ought to be not what it is of whom it doth consist as prime chiefe principall members partakers of all the Royalties and priviledges thereof and not who are tolerated and suffered there as members in an inferiour degree or as maimes and blemishes And then you must lie under the just imputation of abusing this instance to another purpose not agreeable to the truth Can. Neces of Separat pag. 195. It will not be found that ever wee have denied but many hypocrites may be in the true church yea of open and vile transgressors but here lyeth the point If any man shall affirme that the same may be first gathered of knowne lewd and unconverted men that indeed we deny utterly c. When you are pressed with the examples where wicked and ungodly men were tolerated in the Church and did beare chiefe sway and possessed the greatest places and office in the Church you fly to this that you plead against the first building of a Church of such wicked and ungodly men and here you say He that will build a spirituall house to the Lord and the orderly gathering and planting of the members of them were all holy But if this reason be of any force it concludes for the coÌ„tinuance of the Church as well as the first planting or gathering that the members thereof must be truly holy And if this be not more cunning than beseemeth the sincere handler of Gods Word in a matter of such importance let the indifferent consider SECT III. THe reasons upon which our proposition is grounded are these Neces of Separat pag. 176 177. Psal 50.16 Isa 35.8 Zach. 14.21 Rev. 21. ult first All wicked men are forbidden expresly by the Word of God for medling with his ordinance or covenant Now if men to escape temporall punishment are afraid to transgresse against the Lawes of worldly Princes much more fearefull should they be to breake his who is the King of Kings and will inflict for it upon their soules and bodies torments eternally 2. That which destroyeth a Church and makes it either to become a false Church or no Church at all cannot be a true Church or be true matter whereof it is made But men visibly wicked and prophane make the Church a Synagogue of Satan Babylon Sodome Aegypt and so be spied out and removed 3. It is against sense and common reason that a Church should be constituted of unholy people For as in a materiall house the wood and stone must be first prepared and then laid orderly in the building So in the spirituall men and women by the word of God must necessarily be first reformed before they are any way fit to have any place therein 4. They which have no right to the holy things of God in the Church are not to be admitted into it neither is that Church which is so gathered rightly constituted Matth. 7.6 But men of wicked conversation have no right to the holy things of God in the Church And therefore that Church which is gathered of such is not rightly constituted 5. They cannot performe the services and duties of members Eph. 2.1 for they are spiritually dead If a Master will who covenant with one to be his servant which hath in him no naturall life much lesse c. 6. They have not Christ for their head and therefore cannot be of his body For as in the naturall body there must first be a naturall 〈◊〉 of the parts with the head before there can be day action of naturall conjunction Ioh. 15.2.4 Rom. 8. betweene the head and the members and one member and another so in the spirituall body the members must be first united with Christ the head and became one with him before they can any way partake in his benefits Rom. 7.2 Hosâ—a 2.19 20. or have communion one with another as members of the sâ—me body 〈◊〉 him the head 7. They are altogether uncapable of this covenant For as a woman which hath beene once a wife cannot marry againe with another man untill her first husband be deceased or shee from him lawfully divorced So neither can these be married to the 〈◊〉 till they have mortified their corruptions and put the world and Satan away unto which they were before as it were married 8. The godly and wicked are contraries guided and lead by different causes Now true contraries are not capable of one and the same forme ANSVVER THe best way to be secure from the force of your darts is to run unto the marke For here we have reasons numbred up which have weight in them for some purpose some of them at the least but direct them to your marke and they recoyle backe upon your selfe When you have reckoned up first second and third c. the conclusion is ever wanting and not so much as one premise which lookes to the right conclusion to be confirmed The thing to be proved is this that it is no true Church of God which is not planted gathered or built of Saints onely but that consequence will never follow from those premisses For every thing in those Reasons must as well be applied to the continuance of the church as to the first gathering and planting of it The wicked are expresly forbidden to meddle with the covenant or ordinances of God men visibly wicked make the church a Synagogue of Satan Men must be hewen and reformed before they are fit to have any place in the Church of God Men of wicked conversation have no right to the holy things of God Bilson perpet govern ca. 10. p. 147. With open reproving by the Word excluding from the SacrameÌ„ts such as notoriously sinned Pastours and Prophets might intermeddle the people might not It was no part of their charge but in banishing of malefactors from all fellowship and company both civill sacred with the faithfull Pastours were to direct the people to assist and execute that judgement The Apostles doe not leave it to the peoples liking as a matter indifferet till they have coÌ„sented but enjoyneth it as a necessary duty and coÌ„maÌ„deth them in the nameÌ„ of Christ Iesus to withdraw themselves from every brother that walketh inordinately c. Where there wanteth à beleeving Magistrate the Pastour shall not doe wisely to proceed to any such rigour against wilfull and obstinate sinners without the knowledge and consent of the people Euseb hist lib. 6. cap. 34. Theodoret. lib. 5. cap. 17. Bilson Christian subject part 3. pag. 81 82 83 86. The Question is not whether Bishops shall receive Kings with open and obstinate vices to the Lords Table but whether they shall chase them from their Kingdomes or no we mislike not repentance in Princes but resistance in subjects c. But marke what care Augustine will have observed how and when discipline should be administred They cannot performe the duties of members they have nor Christ for their head they are uncapable of the covenant
not beene noted for noveltie singularitie and division is to bee received as the undoubted truth of God If these assertions be true then is this condemnatorie sentence most unjust and untrue For not only all old writers generally but the most learned of later times yea and all sects and sorts of people professing Christianitie themselves excepted are against it Therefore did they consider the terrour of the Lord CAN stay sect 1 p. 8. and that great day in which the Lord Iesus shall appeare in the brightnesse of his Father to avenge the quarrell of his least Commandement and to judge the wrongs Gregorie to John the Bishop of Constantinople saith thus Tu qâ—â—â— Christo universali ecclesic capiti in extrâ—mi judicii dâ—cturus es examine qui cuactacjus membra tibimet conarts universalis appellatione supponere CAN stay against straying sect 1. p. 8 Parker of the crosse part 2. c. 9. sect 2. I may well compare some of unbridled spirits to the Flaccians whose intemperate furie made Ernestus to deale the more hardly with the Protestants out of a fear they were all of the same spirit and would in the end procure like mischiefe Am. Polan in Dan. c. 9. injuries and reproaches which are cast upon his Church and Saints ordinances and worship they would not speake evill of what they know not revile his heritage despise his worship condemn the righteous vilifie the ordinances of grace abuse Scriptures misalledge Authors cause divisions and schismes in the Churches of God distract the minaes of some obstinate others and expose religion it selfe to contempt Let mee speake to them as the great est zealot in that cause at this day speaketh to his opposite in a cause of lesse importance When God ariseth up what will they answer him what will they say when hee shall not onely charge them that they have made a rent in the Church brought an evill report upon his ordinances spoken contemptuously of that which he approved yea commanded and perverted his word for that end and purpose But also that they have laboured with might and maine to draw others into the same transgression by meanes whereof his name is blasphemed the weake scandalized the godly made sad and that which was halting quite turned aside If it be sure that a more grievous punishment is reserved for them that cause others to offend than for them which doe such things themselves let the adviser weigh seriously whether it doth not concerne himselfe as much as any other to tremble and stand in awe It is a vaine boast that at this day there are few CAN say Episâ— to the Reader The judgment and practice of some men of speciall account in the Church of God have to this day held this impression in me that I esteem the Captaines and Ancient-bearers of this schisme unworthy the honour of any set conflict and publike confutation S. B. the raising of the foundation of Browne Ep. to the Christian Reader CAN Neces of separa Epist to the Reader Galschill to Martial Epist Omnia invalida nihilo sunt aequiâ—â— paranda if any except Formalists and Familists and men of corrupt mindes who suppose that gaine is Godlines that will appeare in defence of our parish Churches Ministerie and Worship For the professors as he is pleased to stile them are of the same judgement touching those things that formerly they have beene of and stand ready by the Scriptures to prove their godly congregations to be the true Churches of Iesus Christ and their worship to be of his holy institution If of later times they have beene silent in these matters it is not because they are better informed or that they see and acknowledge their worship and Ministery to be fals and idolatrous but they would not spend good houres in vaine seeing what soever was written in this kinde had beene learnedly and sufficiently answered not with reproaches taunts and boastings as is suggested but with solid proofe out of the booke of God Christian Religion teacheth men to occupie themselves otherwise than to mispend their time in answering that which in the eares of all indifferent men carryeth a sufficient confutation with it or is sufficiently confuted already specially when experience had lessoned them that they must deale with such as will overcome by peremptory censuring when weight of reason is wanting to them Neverthelesse If not reply if they please and when they will CAN stay Epist When the undertakers have finished their answer and â—ast Dav. published his many things that he hath to say against it Id sect 4. p. 36. least overmuch silence should be interpreted consent or beget too great confidence in men of the goodnesse of their cause and others should stumble at their vaunts as if none durst because they doe not undertake their answer I am purposed by the grace of God to examine the grounds and arguments whereby they would perswade the Necessitie of Separation from our Assemblies and from the worship of God performed amongst us Sundry things M. Canne requesteth of him that shall undertake to read and answer his bookes CAN stay epistle to the Reader 1 That when he setteth himselfe to read hee should set himself as in Gods presence and look on with a single and unpartiall eye 2 That he live by his owne faith and build not upon another mans fancie 3. That he denie himself and be contented to be guided by God alone 4. That for a particular faile hee doe not condemne the whole 5. That hee change not the state of the Question 6. That he may finde plaine dealing Id. Stay sect 1. p. 2.4.5 Sanctis Scripturis non loquentibus quis loquitur Amb. de vocat Gent. tom 2. l. 2. c. 3. Omne quod loquimur debemus â—ffi mare de Scripturis sanctis Hier. in Psal 98. tom 8. Nihil ultra quamsacris literis proditum est definiendum Erasm in Hilar. Solum Dei verbum certum caetera falsa si dâ—ssentiant Fer. ad Rom. c. 3. p. 303. CAN stay sect 4. p. 32. sect 1. p. 44. and what is brought against him be read out of the Prophets or Psalmes the Law or Gospell Whether these conditions be observed by the Author himselfe in his writings let the indifferent judge as namely whether passages of Scripture be truly alledged Authors rightly quoted arguments plainly propounded conclusions soundly drawne his adversaries ingenuously dealt withall Whether in writing he set himselfe in the presence of God and weigh in the Ballance of the Sanctuarie what he commendeth unto his Reader Whether he censure not before he make proofe by Scripture and rather insult over his adversaries with insolent and reproachfull tearmes than confute their grounds with substantiall reasons and whiles he commendeth plaine dealing simplicitie and integritie he doe not play the jugler who pretends plainnesse that he might beguile and deceive the sooner For when he makes semblance of zeale for the puritie of religion
performed was directly contrary to Gods Commandement But they were bound to goe up to Ierusalem though the Priests there Ministering had entred unlawfully and executed their Offices corruptly because God had appointed they should appeare before him in that place and the Service there tendred was of the Lord and by his appointment though the Priests were ignorant proud profane covetous or the like The Faithfull entreate Christ To shew them where he feedeth his flock that they might not turne aside if the words will beare that interpretation to the flocks of his companions that is the Congregations of false Christs and false Prophets That which you adde by his Ministerie with his Spirit Word Seales and Censures And that there they might place themselves for instruction and government is not found in the Text and may be received or refused as it is understood If your meaning be that Christ by these means doth feed or rule his Flock it will easily be granted If it be this That no Christian may lawfully sit downe in any congregation where any one of these is wanting or not executed in all points as it ought you speak of your selfe and not by the warrant of Gods Word For where Christ doth feed his flock there may the Saints of God communicate in the ordinances of Grace and Religion though some be wanting or not so purely performed in all points as they ought though the Minister in some particular enter not as he ought or be not qualified as the Word requireth It is one thing to sacrifice at Bethel Deut. 12.5 Ho. 4.15 â—â—o 4.4 5.5 2 Cron 15.3 11 12 14 15 16. 13.9 10.11 12. which God hath straitly forbidden where is neither God Priest nor Law another to worship God according to his owne appointment though the Minister be not such as he ought I wonder if men doe not tremble thus to abuse and misalledge the holy Scripture Often doe the Prophets Jere. 23.9 Matth 7.15 Christ and his Apostles you say forbid men to heare those which thrust themselves into ministeriall offices not being sent of God and from the Church This last clause And from the Church is your glosse but not found in the Texts of Scripture quoted by you Perhaps you would cunningly insinuate That all Ministers not called by the Church or particular Congregation where they are to administer be false Prophets But this is to begge what you shall never be able to prove not to make proofe of that which is questioned Bilson Christ. Subject part â— p. 367. The Lord when he saith Beware of false Prophets noteth there shall be Prophets by their calling which shall be found false by their reaching as S Peter also witnesseth Pet. 2.1 2. distinguished from Godly Teachers not by office but by doctrine Ier. 21.14 v 26 Iere. 11.14 15. v. 21. Iere 6 14 8.11 Ier. 23.25 v. 26. v. 32. Ezek. 13.2 3.6 7. 2 Pet. 2.1 2. Most certaine it is the Prophets Christ and his Apostles doe all warne us to beware of false Prophets But who are false Prophets They who are not chosen called and ordained by the communitie of the faithfull where they are to Administer No or they whose outward calling in the Church is somewhat defective and disordered nay corrupt and sinfull Not so neither But they are false Prophets who walke with falshood and strengthen the hands of the wicked that they might not returne from their wickednesse who speak the vision of their owne hearts not from the mouth of the Lord. Who say to them that despise the Lord yee shall have peace who run when they were not sent and prophesied when God spake not unto them Who prophesie false things in the Name of the Lord the deceit of their heart and thinke to make the people forget the Name of the Lord and seduce the people with their lies Who prophesie out of their owne hearts and follow their owne spirit The Apostle describes them to be false Prophets who bring in damnable doctrines contrary to the doctrine of salvation which we have received and denying the Lord that bought them But this cannot be applied to them who preach the Truth of the Gospel intirely Of false Bâ—e thren see Gal. 2.4 2 Cor. 11.26 With Hereticks and Apostates be they Princes or pâ—ivate men no Châ—istian Pastor or people may Communicate Bilson Christ Subj part 3 p. 78. Infidells be without the Church of their owne accord and Hereticks be put out Idem 79. Matth 7.15 Bevvare of false Prophets Assentior Chrysostomo qui poshemam voâ—em non de haereti is sed de iit acripit qui vulge 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 noâ—lne dicebantur Tales autem esâ—è ut qui corrupâ—am vitam specie vi 〈◊〉 larva â—egâ—â— Lucas ni sallor eosdem aâ—t innâ—es 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lâ—â—k 20.20 Hers reâ—â— saâ—◠〈…〉 dispence the holy things of God according as they have received authoritie from God and labour to winne men from sinne unto God though in the entrance into their office or in the execution thereof there be somewhat erroneous faulty and of men Consider then how loosely the Premises of the Scripture and your conclusion hang together Wee must not joyne our selves to Congregations or Assemblies that are without Christ so the Scripture We must forsake Churches and Congregations of Christ this is your conclusion They must be forsaken that refuse the Covenant and worship strange Gods so the Scriptures Wee must forsake them who have received the Covenant and worship the true God in the mediation of Jesus Christ because they observe it imperfectly thus you must conclude or you fay nothing to the purpose If Prophets in the Old Testament had an ordinary outward calling the false Prophets might have a lawfull externall calling as well as the true and then God saith He sent them not because they preached the vision of their own heart lying and deceitfull words to strengthen the hands of the wicked and not the words of Truth to turne men from sinne They were not called of God because the work they went about was not the Lords but their owne But this reacheth not to godly Ministers who preach the Faith of Christ intirely and labour to draw men unto God nor yet unto them who in some sort are called of God according to his Will but not in favour or because he is pleased with their Administration to doe his worke though they be neither qualified as hee requires nor dispence the holy things of God sincerely and purely as they ought When you tell us we must beware of false Prophets you speake the words of Scripture but in your application of it to the Ministers of the Gospel and Congregations in England you robbe and spoile the sense of Scripture which is not the least degree of theft The Priests many times were no better than the false Prophets ut the people is never forbidden to communicate with theâ— in
one being knowne the nature of the other may be knowne whether it be or be not whether it may bee or may not bee Wee know likewise that not only good is opposed to evill but evill to evill as covetousnesse to prodigality and this the Philosopher himselfe confesseth So that these propositions must be rightly limited or they are both false Par. in Rom. 10.15 Legitima Vo atio ecclesiae est quae in quavis Ecclesia publica authoritate or dinis causa ad aedisicationeÌ„ instituta Neque umformis est omnium ubique quead circumst intias exterâ—â—s sed libertati Ecclesiae relacta These Philosophicall Rules are impertinently alledged by you for the externall order or government and intire profession of faith are not opposite they may be separated in part and they may and ought to be joyned together The faith and doctrine strictly taken may be intire when the externall order is pure and holy and the order may be maimed and defective when the doctrine is found in points fundamentall And the doctrine may bee very corrupt and rotten when the externall order is observed according to the rule and therefore a Church may be true in doctrin and profession of faith strictly taken when for matters of order it labours under great defects though in respect of outward order and government it cannot be the true Church when it destroyeth the foundation of the faith For if the faith bee taught intirely Rivet in Hosea 4.6 Etsi ad ordinatienem externam nihil ijs deesset se pro sacerdotibus gererent tameÌ„ illos reijeit Dominus Sic Pontificiorum sacerdotes adhuc retinenâ— aliquam ministerij formam externam c. CAN. Stay Sect. 11 page 115. and the Sacraments rightly administred it cannot be but the ministerie in that Church must bee true for substance what other defects soever it labour under But if the foundation of faith be overthrowne or the ministery whereunto men be set apart be strange and meerely devised there can be no true calling or ministery but false and impure If this distinction of a true Church and Ministery for substance of Doctrine in points fundamentall and externall calling and government be denyed absolutely I shall desire you to unty a Knot or two which your selfe have knit The Scribes and Pharisees were blind guids corrupt Teachers false Prophets in respect of their doctrine covetous ambitious and otherwise prophane in respect of their conversation upon what grounds then were they to bee heard because they were called and ordained of God CAN. Stay Sect. 3 page 60. Ier. 2.11 13. 3.8 9 10 11. Ezek. 16.47 48 49 Mat. 11.21 22 2 Chro. 11.13 14. 1 Reg. 12. Hosea 4.6 9. 5.1 â— Reg. 19.10 18 2 Reg. 17.28 Par. in Rom. 11.2 3 4 Dub. 3. Samaria etiam erat de Iudaeorum sâ—nagoga l. cet corruptissimâ— Apostatica Siquidem Jfraelitae ctiam crant de popu o praecogniâ—o alioqui Elias Elizaeus al iâ— prâ—phetae ibi non docuissent that they should preach the Law o God in the Synagogues to the people and exhort them to the observation thereof Is not here the distinction of true and false Teachers in diverse respects Rebellious Indah justified her sister Samaria in some respects and in some other continued the true Church of God From the time that the tenne Tribes departed from the Lord his Temple Paiests Altar c. it was unlawfull to hold communion with them because they committed Iâ—olatry and willfully left the place which the Lord appropriated for his service and sacrifice but still they retained something of a Church and were not to be esteemed altogether as heathens as the very places quoted doe tâ—stifie That the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Betheâ— when they committed reall Idolatry with the Calves played the Harlot upon every high hill and under every green Tree forsooke wilfully the place which God had appointed for sacrifice and offered sacrifices in places forbidden rejected the Lords Priests and made of the basest of the people-Priests for that service which the Lord abhorred that they were not more corrupt in Doctrine and worship than the Church of England by the confession of Non conformists is an assertion beyond all credit I may fitly put you in mind what Origen saith of Celsus his workes CAN. Stay Sect. 5 page 39. which you apply to your adversary There is no danger least any faithfull man should bee subverted by your sayings for you talke but reason not yea in your talke you keep no compasse but all men may feele how grossely you mistake Master Ainsworths Arrow against Idolatry I have not seene nor know not how to come by it But if you will bring forth his or your owne darts in this kinde they shall bee tryed and examined by the Word of God You are not afraid not ashamed to write that the Non-conformists affirme the worship of our English Assemblies to be as false and idolatrous as the worship of the Israelites at Dan and Bethel But for proofe you bring the bare testimony of one alone and him no English Non-conformist And if his testimony had been truly alledged can you with truth and honesty charge that upon all which you know is disclaimed by many spoken only by one and he no member of the English societies But that one shamefully abused likewise for when he saith the Idolatry of these times doth equall if not exceed that of Ieroboam he intends the Idolatry of the Romish Synagogues but accuseth not the English Congregations as if they stood guilty of that sin or the like degree For he acknowledgeth the Church of England to be a glorious reformed Church though in some things not throughly reformed as she ought Course of confor page 142. Wherefore saith he for conforming to a glorious Church but in that wherein shee was never raformed And what wonder if all the reformed Churches crept not forth of the Romish deluge equally accomplished Course of confor page 183 What greater wonder than that any should be found free of the smell of that Wine of Fornication whereof they all for so many yeeres were drunke Your pen runneth over almost every where with pernitious I dolatry Aug. Ep. 48. Quis non impudentissine nitatur alie uid in allegoria positum prose interpretari nisi haheat manifesta testimonia quâ—â— lumne 〈…〉 obscura blasphemy and such like out-cries and for colour of what you say pretend the names of men who indeed and truth from their hearts detest your rashnesse and inconsideratnes Whereas if you would be perswaded to talke lesse and reason more and give milder words and bring stronger arguments and deale sincerely in the testimonies which you use you should ease your reader and spare your Conscience SECTION 5. Can. Stay Sect. 5. Pag 37.38 THe Word preached by false Ministers is not that word unto which God hath promised a blessing of encrease Or it is not
rightlie dispensed there is a true ministerie whereby these offices are rightlie exercised But the particular Lawes manner of Government and orders in the Church the qualifications or qualities of the Minister or Communicants their disorders carelesnesse or other miscarriage in the administration he doth not approve reallie or interpretatively by his presence at the Ordinances If the Ministers be carelesse proud covetous superstitious enemies to true godlinesse friends to profanenesse if they aspire after dignitie love preheminence prate against the brethren they that communicate with them in the Ordinances of Religion doe neither in so doing countenance them in sinne nor approve their doiâ—gs If the Communicants be ignorant earthlie minded disobedient prophane scandalous they that communicate with them in the true worship of God and therein hold externall societie because they have not libertie to depart themselves nor power to cast the others out they are not defiled with their sinne nor partakers in their transgression And the same may be said of orders and rites established by the constitution of men presence at the ordinance doth not enwrape a Christian within the guilt thereof nor was it ever the pubâ—lke intention of the state that all present should approve every particular institution or order It sufficeth if they approve the faith professed and worship performed which are of God It is true that by words works example silence men may become guiltie of others sins and that some kind of dissimulation is a denying of Christ But it is true withall that presence at Gods Ordinances is no dissimulation nor participation in the sinnes of others by word example silence or other waies If a man doe one thing and pretend another and hope to save himselfe by his secret meaning you may rebuke his hypocrisie as the cause requireth But we say in reparing to the Ordinances of God our heart and actions goe together and both are allowed and approved of God And here consider whether you doe not directly confute your selfe by the Engine of your owne acknowledgment as you phrase it For here you say CAN. Stay Sect. 6. p. 78. no administration performed in a state and by power and constituted office can be sought desired and received And in your Margin There is a maine difference betweene a mans bare presence in a constituted state as being there unawares unwillinglie or by compulsion and presence there Jd. page 75. of purpose to partake of the administrations And a little before you argue thus whosoever takes to himselfe a practice which is not grounded on Gods Word and therein is strict he is just overmuch Id. page 74. 122 And many times you inculcate that you are to bee understood of hearing in a Church way and of Church officers Now if you deale plainely herein let the indifferent judge whether you doe not more than insinuate that all hearing in our assemblies is not absolutelie to be condemned but that wherein a man is strict that which is sought and desired And how then can it be esteemed an act of Idolatrie or compared to bowing downe before an Image For the worship of an Image though occasionally done and that but once with what intent or purpose soever you wil acknowledge to bee sin and if hearing the Word preached in our assemblies occasionallie be not a sin you have sinned grievously in matching it with Idolatrie of the most hainous kind and abused both Scripture and learned Authors to countenance your impietie SECTION 8. CAN. STAY against Sect. 5. Pag. 74. 75. If to heare in a false Church bee any lawfull ordinary meanes of edification which Christ the onely Teacher of his Church hath appointed then it is set downe by the Apostle in Eph. 4 11 12 13. The reason is because Paul there mentioneth all ministeriall meanes for the perfect and compleat building of the Church from the first to the last And if Christ who in those last dayes speakes evidently by his Gospell and Spirit Id. Sect. 12. p. 117 had judged it fit that his children should goe unto false Churches hee would certainely have made knowne the same unto them ANSWER The Apostle in the place alledged describes what officers Christ hath given to and doth approve in his Church for the ministerie of the word and dispensation of the heavenly mysteries The Papists alledg this Text of the Apostle to prove that in the Church there hath ever bin a visible succession of Pastors or Teachers See Rhem annot in Eph. 4 13 And the Ansvver vvhich is returned to them by our Divines vvill serve in this case See Fulk ansvver to the Rhem Ibid. Carâ—w Ibid. Cameron Myroth in Eph. 4.11 Non sequitur tamen inde Pastores istos fuisse ejusmodi qui oves conduxerint in ea pas cua quibus cicuta aconitum nascatur satis est ut duxerint in ea pascua quibus etsi insit virus tamen in est unde oves pascantur and intimateth also how they should be qualified and behave themselves in the execution of their Office But the Apostle saith not that the Church hath or shall evermore injoy such officers both for substance of their office qualification of gifts and manner of dispensation as are there commended Nor yet that the Church is onely to heare such as be rightly qualified and doe faithfully execute their office It derogates nothing from the glory of Christs wisdome and faithfulnesse in providing for the full and perfect instruction of the Church that such Pastors be sometimes wanting and cannot bee had for he never promised to provide otherwise for them in all ages of the Church but told them of the scarcitie which might come before and in wisdome saw iâ—to be most for his owne glory Christ never laid this charge upon the faithfull to separate from those teachers which preached truely the doctrine of salvation if any exception could bee taken against their calling qualification manner of life or execution of their office The Pastors of the Church should be wise vigilant holy examples to the flock both in doctrine and conversation not seeking their owne but that which is Jesus Christs And after they be chosen they should execute their office with al diligence But if they be carelesse covetous pompous intangling themselves in things of this world scandalous yet if they preach Christ and be not or cannot be removed the faithfull are bound to heare them The Primitive Bishops and Martyrs were neither Pastors nor Doctors according to every circumstance which your will require in a Pastor or Teacher but the faithfull in those times held communion with and heard them as they preached Christ and him crucified and that by the commandement and approbation of Christ Himselfe what was of God they were obliged to submit unto wisely distinguishing it from that which is annexed of man In the Officers of the Church two things are to bee considered 1. The substance of their calling which is to seed the flock
word which doth ordinarily beget men unto God ought to bee heard yet wee cannot conclude on the contrary the word which doth not ordinarily beget is not to bee heard For the word is but a morall cause or instrument of faith and repentance whereby the Spirit worketh not necessarily but at pleasure If therefore the Spirit worke by the word as his instrument it is of God and wee are bound to heare it But if God worke not by it effectually to saving conversion it is of him notwithstanding So this affirmative is true sinne deserâ—eth death but this negative will not follow on the contrary good works deserve life For of justice death is due to the sinner as his wages but eternall life is the gift of grace The Papists argue thus Disgrace done to an Image tendeth to dishonour God and therefore by the Rule of Contraries Honour done to an Image tendeth to the honour of GOD. Their inference and yours turne both upon the same hinges And I might truly say unto you in your owne words Ibid. Have you not here shewed your selfe an acute disputer for to pull downe Bethel you build Babell to condemne the true hearing of Gods Word you commend Idolatry Consider therfore your owne reasons and be not so rash and hastie to disgrace your brethren Your obscure translating of Philosophicall Canons CAN. Stay Sect. 2. pag 54. CAN. Stay Sect. 9. pag. 100. I will passe over as Relata sunt simul natura which you English thus Relations in nature are alike and apply it as strangely Qualis causa tale causatum you translate thus As is the cause so that which is caused of the doing of the thing Idem qua idem semper facit idem which you render As is the same so alwayes followes the same effect whereby you turne principles or Canons at least into riddles and it is hard to say whether your interpretation bee more obscure or misapplication unreasonable to speake in your language as vaine as ever man made For that which is spoken of causes univocall necessary and proper at least that you referre to morall instruments as if the word preached by wicked instruments might not bee effectuall or a man could not heare an ungodly Minister preach the Gospell but he must partake in his sin CAN. Stay Sect. pag. Sect. 3.16.17 Id. Sect. 4. pag. 28. sect 5. p. 40. sect 1. p. 49. sect 4. p. 62.63 67 72 73 74 75. You are large in proving what is not questioned as that God must bee served as he hath appointed That it sufficeth not to intend a good end but the meanes must bee lawfull That men must not bow their knees to an Idol under pretence that they reserve their hearts unto God That wee must bee earnest and zealous against Idolatry That the matter of worship must be grounded on the word Consciences shall never find any sure port to run unto but only God Calf p. 22. and that it must be done in a right and lawfull manner order form or way That the law of God is the rule of conscience That custom must not prescribe against truth That we must not doe evill that good may come thereof with other the like which you know well your Opposites do believe and maintaine But that God is not worshipped in our assemblies as he hath appointed That to heare the word preached in our congregations is pernicious Idolatry that the means therein be unlawfull that the ministerie is Idolatrous or the worship vaine that you prove not either by Scripture or any learned approved Author whatsoever you bring in both your bookes to this purpose besides your own peremptorie actions may be shut up in few words The Authors which you quote are oftimes abused you mangle their words and make them seeme to speak what they never meant or intended CAN Stay sect 3. p. 57. The truths they teach you say speaking of the Ministers of the English Church are from God but the office which gives them power and charge to speake them is from Antichrist and a speciall character or marke as the learned write of the beast Simon on Rev. pag. 120. Acts Mon. edit 5. pag. 588. On Rev. ca. 14.9 Though Priests Deacons for preaching Gods word ministring the sacramets with provision for the poor bee grounded on Gods law yet have these sects no manner of ground thereof L. Cobh Act. and Mon. p. 514 5â—5 Thus said Iohn Chaydon a Martyr of Christ The Bishops licence to preach the Word of God is the true character of the beast that is of Antichrist The like M. Bale and others But no word sounding that way is to be found in M. Simons Since their law of Confirmation was made saith hee the Bishop with the Chrisme doth signe the partie in the forehead with the character of the crosse And since they made their new office or sacerdotall thus they make their cate chumine The child or partie is brought to the Church doores where the Priest maketh a crosse with his thumb on the forehead of the childe and at the font the priest maketh a crosse in the right hand of the child c. Thus this Author but to your purpose not one word M. Bale was so farre from condemning the office of Bishops simply as Antichristian that hee himselfe was Bishop of Osyris in Ireland And how likely it is then that he should absolutely condemne a Bishops licence to preach the Gospell of Jesus Christ in the Churches of Christ as the mark and Character of the beast let any man judge What he might condemn in some respect and consideration in popish bishops as they stand sworne slaves to that Antichrist of Rome that cannot be drawn to the testimonie of Bishops CAN Neces of separ p. 25â— who have cast off the authoritie and renounced the doctrine of Antichrist And the same may bee answered to the testimonie of John Châ—ydon You many times repeate that upon the Nonconformists grounds to returne unto the service in the Church of England is to joyne with Idolaters in Idolatry This no doubt is a vehement accusation if it can be proved if it be rashly surmised then it is as pestilent a slander But ground out of the Nonconformists for such conclusions you have shewed none nor once take notice of that which is alledged to the contrarie which you could not but see if you could have found any exception against it They doe not deny but there is a visible Church of God in England and therefore your saying of them that they doe almost in plaine and flat tearmes say that we have not so much as any outward face and shew of the true Church argueth that you have almost no love in you which upon one word once uttered contrary to the tenour of their booke T.C. repl 1. p. 8. Vnreasonab of separation p. 81. and course of their whole life surmise this of them Thus a chiefe Nonconformist
long agoe Another in the booke which you pretend to answer and in these very pages He most shamefully and lewdly as a man void of all common honestie and grace maketh the Ministers of Lincoln to affirme that the Prelates are reviled to be great Antichrists and their Ministerie and constitution to be great troublers of the Church at this day and that it cannot but be very sinfull and hurtfull to retaine or communicate with them CAN Stay §. 3. p. 59.69 Raiâ—old de ideloâ—l 2. c. 1. §. 2. Bilson Christ subj part 3. pag. 269. The Divell himselfe can shew no greater malice than to pervert that which is well spoken and to force a lewd senes of his owne or another mans words The Divell himselfe would have beene ashamed in this open manner to have told such a lie and therefore he is to be trusted no further than he is seen This you passe over in silence and if the substance of the accusation bee applyed unto your selfe I know not what apologie you can make Christ saith Rainolds as you quote him the Pastor of his Church doth tell us that he feeds not in Antichristian assemblies in the denne of theeves neither is it his will that his flock should there rest at noone But in the pleasant pasture by the still waters that is in the shadowes of the true Christian Churches detesting Idolatry But D. Rainolds words are not in caetibus papisticis speluncis idolâ—latrarum c. but in untbraculis orthodoxorumcatuum Whether this change of Antichristian Assemblies for popish Assemblies and true Christian Churches for Orthodox Assemblies CAN Stay § 3. p 22. D. 〈◊〉 by words and Letters testimoniall 2â—4 wâ— made in simplicitie be judge your selfe You might easily conjecture your credulous reader might conceit our assemblies to be Antichristian and not true Churches but popish Assemblies and not Orthodox he could not imagine them to be You alledge D. Amos saying It cannot be a true Church that wants order For by this the parts and members thereof are knit together But this is not to bee found in the place mentioned But D. Aines moving the question whether it be lawfull to stick to that Church from whom power of removing scandals and purging out the ungodly is taken away He answereth That power â—jure quoad actum primum cannot be separated from the true Church because immediately and necessarily it floweth from the essence it selfe for it is contained in that covenant whereby the faithfull are gathered into a Church The use of this power cannot be taken away without the great sin of them that take it away and the hainous injurie of them from whom it is taken Neither ought the Church to rest in this that she seeth her selfe unjustly oppressed of others For it belongeth to the office of the Church to defend that libertie where with she is endowed of Christ But yet if the faithfull contending for their libertie cannot obtaine their right in that part nor without grievous inconveniences come to a more free Church and can keepe themselves from the approbation of evill and doe also studie as much as in them lieth to supply that want they sinne not if they joyne themselves to such a Church or continue in it Thus D. Ames cleane contrary to that which you make him affirme Master Baines as you alledge him writes CAN Stay sect 2. p. 55. Bain diocesan That no people can worship God in repairing to any Church or ministery without warrant of the Word Let the Reader note it say you And if it be wisely noted it makes nothing against partaking in our assemblies in the ordinances of Grace because that is warranted approved commanded of God in his holy Word But Master Baines words are No people can worship God in repairing to this place and ministerie without warrant of his Word And he speakes of a Diocesan worship and ministerie peculiarly appropriated to that place as it was at Hierusalem which is nothing to your purpose You pretend that you have taken your principles out of the Nonconformists ever the chiefest of them which for learning CAN Neces of separ To the Read zeale judgement holinesse of life c. have ever held that cause But some things brought in their names is neither the opinion of all nor of the most nor of the best learned nor of many but either the private opinion of some one or the conceit of such indeed as were separated from the communion of the Church of England and not from the abuses only which were in the Church You cite Master Penry saying CAN stay sect 3. p. 57. M. Penry of the Ministerie of the Church of Engl. p. 37.38 CAN Neces of separ p. 16 28.43 Exhortation to the government of Wales 42 46 26 CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separ p. 252. It is most certaine Satan rules in the consciences of men not only by false doctrine but also by his false power and ordinances his kingdome of darknesse not only consisteth in the lies false doctrin and worship which he hath coined but also in the false and Antichristian ordinances which he hath invented for the ruling of his idolatrous denne And therefore the children and Saints of God ought to avoid both the one and the other But whatsoever his meaning bee in that or other passages cited Master Penry was not a Nonconformist but a Separatist by your owne confession and therefore his sayings are not to bee received for the Nonconformists principles Master Br. saith It is lawfull to communicate in that worship where the ceremonies are used but wee cannot believe him say you for his brethren both affirme and prove the contrary And here now is a fit place to write down the words wherof mention was made in p. 99. partly because the author is a principle Nonconformist and partly to discover the rashnesse and folly of this inconsiderate man which durst without any reason more than boldnesse still justifie the very thing which his brethren by many sound arguments have manifested to be evill and unlawfull and then you goe on to rehearse the words of the author of a dispute upon communicating at confused communions pag. 68.69 Who that Author is I know not the booke I have not seen but by the words which you relate it appeares hee was no English Nonconformist neither doth he speake of communicating in our English societies And if he did he speakes but his private opinion and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists It may be questioned whether Master Br. booke was not penned and published before hee could either see or thinke of the other But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular M. Br. knew it to bee the common practice and uniforme judgment of all Nonconformists in England both heretofore and at that present when he wrote that it is lawfull A dispute against Engl. part 1. ca. 9. sect 3.
right Religion Else the Heretiques in England would never have received so much of it For some have avouched it to my face saith the Author of the Curtaine of Church-power that the service there is nothing to the Masse in the English others that it wants nothing but the Popes consecration These things thus retrived it was also thought that popish Kings and Princes would be the lesse offended what marvaile seeing the Jesuites themselves are so well pleased with the ceremonies and service that I heard one of them God is my witnesse herein make it his hope that the maintenance of them against the Puritans would make England the sooner returne to Rome in the rest Quâ—vadis sec 4. Mine eyes and eares saith Bishop Hall can witnesse with what approofe and applause divers of the catholique royall as they are termed entertained the new translated Liturgies of our Church Which is the lesse wonder seeing Pope Pius the fourth sending Vicentio Parpatia Cambd. An. 1560. Abbot of Saint Saviours to Queene Elizabeth offered to confirme the English Liturgie by his Authoritie if shee would yeeld to him in some other things Indeed it pleased them so well Fresh suit l. 1 203. that for the first eleven yeares of Queene Elizabeth Papists came to the English Church and service as the Lord Cooke sheweth L. Cooke de jure Regis Eccles f. 34. Syons plea. 49.91 Others of them affirme the same namely their Church-service pleaseth marveilous well the Romish Beast and his ungodly followers Witnesse the Pacification of the Devonshire-Papists in the time of King Edward the sixth when as they understood it was no other but the very Masse-booke put into English Witnesse also the assertion of Dr Carrier a dangerous seducing Papist The common-prayer-booke saith he and the Catechisme conteined in it hold no point of doctrine expresly contrary to Antiquitie that is Consider pag. 45. sect 8 9. as he explaineth himselfe the Romish-service onely hath not enough in it And for the doctrine of predestination Sacraments grace free-will and sin c. The new Catechismes and Sermons of the Puritan-preachers run wholly against the common-prayer and Catechisme therein conteined c. Motiv Preface to the Answ And thereupon he comforteth himselfe upon the hope of the supply of the rest To this effect speaketh Bristow and Harding If these things be right why not the rest It shall not be amisse to marke one occurrence in Queene Elizabeths time who being interdicted by the Popes Bull Secretary Walsingham tryed a tricke of State-policy to reverse the same He caused two of the Popes Intelligencers at the Popes appointment to be brought as it were in secret into England to whom he appointed a guide being a State Intelligencer who should shew them in Canterbury and London service solemnly sung and said with all their pomp and procession Which order the popish Intelligencers seeing and so much admiring they wondred that their Master would be so unadvised as to interdict a Prince or State whose service and ceremonies so symbolized with his owne So returning it the Pope they shewed him his oversight affirming that they saw no service ceremonies or Church-order's in England but they might have very well beene performed in Rome whereupon the Bull was presently called in That which you alledge against the English-Service-booke in particular Answer you intend against all set-formes of prayer or stinted Liturgies whatsoever For the use of them is a false devised idolatrous antichristian worship in your account Thus you know your Brethren of the Separation have disallowed all set and stinted formes Johnson Ainsworth Robinson Greenewood c. as humane inventions forbidden in the second Commandement Images Will-worship Idol-prayers False-worship Lip-labour c. And you your selfe insist upon this principle of the Nonconformists as the cause of Separation from the Church of England that all formes of worship not prescribed of God are will-worship which if it maketh against one holdeth against all prescribed Liturgies Can. Neces of Separat pag. 114. Id. pag. 115. Againe you confesse that every Church is not to be forsaken or left which hath something in it by participation idolatrous And therefore our Service is not devised worship because it is taken out of the Masse-booke as you alledge but simply because it is devised whencesoever it had its originall if it be devised worship First therefore we must consider the matter in generall Oylsâ—hil speaking of Images brought into the Church saith Wee might justly condemn the whole faithlesse fond invention For it was but a will-worship a naughtie service having no ground of the Word of God and onely spring of errour Calf Preface to the Reader testifieth Bilson Christ subject part 2. p. 297. That Princes may prescribe what faith they list what service of God they please what forme of administration of the Sacraments they thinke best is no part of our thought or point of our doctrine yet that Princes may by their lawes prescribe the right faith to bee preached the right service of God in spirit and truth to be used c. T. C. repl 1. pag. 8. Park of the Crosse par 1. ca. 4. sect 7. pag. 177. A. W. ans to late popish Artic. p. 73. and then try what is alledged against our booke of Common-prayer These words Formes of worship may be taken two wayes First to note the substantiall parts or meanes of worship and in this sense it is most true That all formes of worship not prescribed of God are unlawfull and false worship because devised by men Secondly To note a bare order methode or phrase wherein divine Service is performed And in this sense the Nonconformists never said That all formes of worship not prescribed are false or devised worship For they know that no forme is determined and prescribed of God precisely in all parts of his worship and where none is set apart by his Majestie it is a breach of his Commandement and devised worship to place an opinion of worship in the simple order or phrase of speech used in prayer or administration of holy things The Nonconformists condemne not a Liturgie or stinted forme of prayer but desire that all things therein might be ordered as doth tend most to edification Whatsoever exceptions they have taken against our Booke of Common-prayer they never disliked the use of it so far as they judged it sound and good They doe not condemne it wholly but finde fault with it as in some points disagreeing with the word of God What hath beene their seeking from time to time a razing of the Communion Booke No but a purging and filing of it after the patterne of that care which former examples set us The Booke of Common-prayer they condemne not as a wicked and ungodly Booke much lesse the Service as false devised and idolatrous but they have and doe use the booke and professe their readinesse so to doe onely they desire to
what if you doe not reade that Diotrephes was an unlawfull and Antichristian Minister you reade that he usurped over the faithfull hindred the due execution of Church-censures abused excommunication prated against the Brethren and practised a false government And if the want of discipline or neglect of due execution prove a Church to be no Church the faithfull in that societie were bound to separate If the Church had not the power of government at this time if we may beleeve you or receive your position they were no church if they had power in their hands and suffered it to be abused their sinne was the greater And if you take a view of your dealings in this or other particulars vilifying what you are not able to confute and wresting mens words contrary to their plaine meaning if your paper blush not I can hardly thinke but your conscience will smite SECT II. IF the Church of England hath not Christs keyes Can. Neces of Separat pag. 154. shee is not his saith Mr D. But the Church of England hath not Christs keyes saith Mr Brightman and y Syons plea. 111. others Therefore shee is not his house and consequently to be separated from ANSVVER YOur former reasons out of Mr D. I passe over because they have been answered already and are here thrust in to no purpose but onely to cover the insufficiency of your reply His answer was the want of discipline though an integrall part is no sufficient ground of separation This z Can. Neces of Separat p. 152 153. you offer not to disprove by any substantiall reason but with railing and reproach to disgrace wherein whether you more wound your own conscience or hurt your adversary be judge your selfe a Can. Neces of Separat pag. 212. 1 Pet. 3.9 Rom. 13.21 You say truely It is a Christian part not to render rebuke for rebuke and a thousand times better were it to sustaine even a legion of reproaches than for a man by turning though but one to give cause of suspition that evill hath got some part of conquest over him But if you looke into your own writings you shall finde them stuffed with insolent boasting scornfull taunts and reproaches unbeseeming your place person and a good cause I dare say all the Nonconformists that ever wrote in the cause of discipline never went in practise so much against their Principles as you in this one particular goe against your profession in the foresaid passage and a good conscience The matter in hand betwixt you and Mr D. is the absolute necessitie of Church-discipline to the being of a Church To what end then doe you bring That the Book of common-prayer used in the Assemblies of England is an infectious Liturgie Romish-stuffe a devised service raked out of three Romish Channells That the Ministery of the Church of England is unlawfull and Antichristian That the Ministery worship and government of of England are corruptions Doth this make ought to confirme your position or weaken the answer which was truely given But some thing must be said whether to or besides the purpose it matters not Another stratageme b Can. Neces of Separat pag. 153. you put in practice in the same place not very commendable You would seeme to confute the D. out of himselfe What say you if it appeare that Mr D. arguments doe lead rather to separation and that he speaketh one thing and practiseth another would not this be a strange sight especially to himselfe Now whether this be so we will here try by some reasons in his owne moode and figure But though the moode and figure be his the reasons be your owne and not his and the conclusions unjustly drawne from the Premises as the D. answered and we have shewed before Perhaps in warre stratagems may be of use but in the cause of God such cunning devices are dangerous symptoms This I note to entreat your serious reexamination of what you have done and now I come to the argument here propounded whereunto I make answer as you relate it for I have not the D. Booke to search out what he hath written The power of the keyes is twofold Concioualis Judicialis as it is usually called The first consists in the preaching of the Gospell wherein the kingdome of heaven is opened to the penitent sinnes remitted life promised and heaven shut to the obstinate which is the sword and the scepter of Christ whereby he saveth his people 2 Cor. 1.21 2 Cor. 10.4 Isa 11.4 Rom. 1.16 and conquereth his enemies beateth downe every strong hold pâ—ireeth to the division of foule and spirit and of the joynts and marrow and judgeth the very cogitations and thoughts of the heart These effects Christ executeth by his Word even when it is not assisted by the c To excommunicate is to remove the wicked irrepentant from participation of the Lords Supper least by sacrilegious presuming to violate that Table the ungodly should condemne themselves and defile others Bilson perpet gov cap. 9. discipline spoken of Now if it be rightly understood the Church of God cannot be without this key For the Church is gathered by the Word and is a company or societie which hath received the Word in profession at least and doth possesse it and amongst whom it dwelleth The Judiciall power of the d Excommunication is a meere spirituall punishment reacheth no further by Gods word than to take from offenders the remission of their sinnes by wanting the Word and Sacraments untill they repent Bilson Christian. part 3. pag. 52. keyes is the power of government which consisteth principally in the right ordering and dispensation of Church censures and so of the manners and necessities of all men which agreeth not to any one member nor to the communitie of the faithfull nor to any one singular governour but to the Ecclesiasticall Senate yet with due respect had to the communitie of the faithfull In the first sense the Church of England hath the power of the keyes e Cyp. lib. 1. epist 3. I hardly perswade the people yea I am forced to wrest it from them before they will suffer such to be admitted Bilson perpet gov c. 9. Great reason had those godly Fathers to see the whole Church satisfied before they released the sentence of excommunication c. and so doing they shewed not what right the multitude had to sit Iudges with the Bishop but what â—â—e themselves had to remove from the people all occasions of stumbling Id. pag. 113. If you take Excommunication for removing the unruly from the civill societie of the faithfull untill they conforme themselves unto a more Christian course of life I am not altogether averse that the whole Church should concurre in that action c. See August contr Par Ep. 1 l. 2. ca. 1. Can. Stay Sect. 12. pag. 123. not so much as is to be desired but in an eminent sort and that with Gods
ancient or moderne of one sort or other parties excepted For it is one thing to say the Church is a societie of faithfull people joyning together in the ordinances of worship Another that it is no Church where the ignorant or prophane are tolerated The first of these is affirmed The latter is that which you must prove out of those Writers which you can never doe or else you abuse both your selfe and them Order is requisite in every administration of the Church Can. Neces of Separat pag. 186. as the Apostle teacheth and chiefly in the collection thereof you say But the want of order in every point requisite either in the collection or government of the Church doth not make it no Church You know it is an usuall received distinction that hypocrites and ungodly men are in the Church but not of the Church And if at any time you read that notorious offenders are neither of the Church T. C. repl 1. pa. 34 35. nor in the Church The same Author hath explained himselfe that when he saith There be no knowne Drunkards or Whoremongers in the Church he speakes of that which should be T. C. 2. repl par 1 pag. 242. As when Paul saith That the Church of God hath no custome to contend Aug. de mor. Eccl. cathol lib. 1. c. 34. Bring me not such ChristiaÌ„s as either know not or keepe not the force of their profession Rake not after the ruder sort which even in true Religion are intangled with superstition my selfe knew many that are worshippers of tombes and pictures he setteth forth not that which alwayes commeth to passe but what ought to be alwayes For it may be that contention may continue in a Church many yeares and yet it cease not to be the true Church of God In Mollerus I can finde nothing that makes to your purpose but many things directly against you First he entreateth in that Psalme of the true lively members of the Church and therefore your glosse at least outwardly corrupteth the Text. Thus in the argument of the Psalme he writeth Ostendit qui sint cultus aut opera quae Deo placeant quomodo vera viva membra Ecclesia ab hypocritis alijs manifestè impijs discerni possint debeant And in the whole Psalme he sheweth that he speaketh of the living members of the Church for whom salvation is prepared and to whom it is reserved and not of visible members onely Thus upon the first verse Vâ—itur autem hoc verbo August contr Par. lib. 3. cap. 2. It cannot be an healthfull reproving by many but when he that is reproved hath no number to take his part But if the same disease hath possessed many the good have nothing left for them to doe but to sorrow mourne ut ostendat discrimen inter perpetuos Ecclesiae cives 〈◊〉 inquilinos seu hypocritas qui ad tempus sunt illis permisti Hi enim etiamsi venditent se pro veris Ecclesiae membris externâ prefessione observatione rituum tamen quia verâ solidâ pietate carent varijs sordibus sunt polluti tandem judicio divino separabuntur à veris Ecclesiae membris And in his third observation upon the first Verse Quia saepè contingit Ecclesiam Dei multis inquinamentis deforment cernere ne quis ad hoc scandalum impingat discrimen constituendum est inter perpetuos Ecclesiae cives inquilinos qui ad tempus sunt illis permisti Damnandi igitur sunt Anabaptisti qui non putant veram esse Ecclesiam quae vitia quaedane tolerare cogitur If this be not sufficient see what he hath upon the fifth Verse And his observations upon the first and fifth Verses But what you alledge out of him I cannot finde Mr. Beza hath that which you cite out of him but he meaneth nothing lesse than that a Christian should separate from the Church and ordinances of grace because ungodly men are suffered which should be removed but are not Bezae Annot. Major in Act. 2.40 In his Major Annotations he explaineth himselfe thus Expresse usus est hoc verbo Lucas Bezae epist 2. pag. 28 29. Nec enim ut ritè ad caenam accedam ut scrutandum est mihi quâ quisque conscientiâ ad eam mecum accedat sed de meâ ipsius conscientia mihi laborandum est It aque cum Adulteris cum Homicidis et cum sceleratisstmis quibusvis medò nulla meâ culpâ tales sint si ad caenam castus sceleris puras accessero nihil illoruÌ„ impuritas mihi nocuerit Et quod de moribus duo etiam de doctrina dico quod interdum nec pastores satis puraÌ„ tradunt nec auditores satis recte percipiunt Dicam etiaÌ„ amplius si vel Turcam vel JudeuÌ„ Past or quispiaÌ„ sive prudenter sive imprudenter admitteret tota illius facti culpa in illum recideret nec ego propterea ouÌ„ctanter ad meÌ„sam Domini accesserò c. ut ostenderet ipsarum animarum salutem positam esse in discessione à prophanorum caetibus But the Church of God wherein prophane persons are suffered to abide is not the congregation of prophane men in Mr. Beza's judgement from which we must depart Let this or that be faultily done or pretermitted of some saith he are they not therefore Christians or to be esteemed brethren But they will say This is at least to communicate in their sinne nay this confequence is most false For if I come prepared to the Supper I am not to search with what conscience any man doth come to it with me but I must take care of mine owne conscience Therefore if I come to the Supper chaste and free from wickednesse though I communicate with adulterers with murderers and with most wicked wretches so they be such by no fault of mine their impuritie shall not hurt me And what I speake of manners I also say of doctrine which sometimes the Pastours doe not purely deliver nor the hearers receive well and holily I will say more if some Pastour either ignorantly or advisedly should admit a Jew or Turke the whole fault of that fact shall fall upon him and I would not come no more slackly to the Table of the Lord because his impure conscience so I be without fault doth not pollute mine which is pure and that very Supper is pure to me which that impure person prophaneth Thus Beza And this may be shewed to be the constant judgement of all orthodox Divines not parties in this case and it is a thing so well knowne that it is superfluous labour to examine the rest particularly And here let it be noted That it is usuall to define the Church by the better part by the true and living chiefe principall and perpetuall members partakers of the royalties and liberties of the catholike Church knit unto Christ quickned by the Spirit heires of salvation one