habent neque ille suis nomen indit aut à suis recipit sed omnes vt antea consuetâ— more Christiani nominantur Neuer any people tooke name of their Bishops but of the Lord in whom they beleeued We haue not taken names from the holy Apostles our Masters and Ministers of the Gospell of our Sauiour but of Christ we both are and are called Christians but they who deriue the originall of their faith from any other doe worthily beare the names of their authours as to whom they doe belong When as therefore we all were and were called Christians of Christ Marcion the inuentor of heresie was worthily exploded The other which remained with him by whom Marcion was exploded retayned the name of Christians but they who followed Marcion were no longer called Christians but Marcionites And thus Valentinus Basilides Manicheus and Simon Magus gaue names to their followers and thence it came that some were called Valentinians other Basilidians other Manichees other Simonians other Cataphrygians of their Countrey Phrygia other Nouatians of Nouatus Thus Meletius being eiected by Peter a Bishop and Martyr named them that followed him not any more Christians but Meletians In the same sort when Alexander eiected Arius they who cleaued to Alexander remayned Christians but they who went away with Arius leauing the name of Christians to Alexander and his were thenceforth called Arians Moreouer euen now after the death of Alexander they who are of the same communion with Athanasius the successor of Alexander and with whom Athanasius himselfe is ioyned in communion they all still keepe the same marke he neither giueth any name to them nor they to him but all as before according to the accustomed manner are called Christians This place I haue set downe at large that the Reader may see that Athanasius here could not haue omitted the name of Catholikes there being such occasion to draw it from him if it had been then in vse and that the common names of opposition were then not Catholikes and Heretikes but Christians and Heretikes euen as Cyprian also vseth it saying of Stephanus x Cyprian ad Pompeium Qui haeretâ—coruÌ„ causâ—m contra Christianos contra Ecclesiam Dei esscrere conatur He goeth about to maintaine the cause of Heretikes against Christians and against the Church of God the word Catholike being neuer found in either of them personally taken or substantiuely as before was said but only that Athanasius mentioneth one surnamed y Athanas Epist ad solitariam vitam agentes Faustinus Catholicus homo genere Bithyâ—us opinionibus haereticus Catholicus an Arian Heretike and a persecutor of the faith We may therefore well thinke that there was little discretion riueted to M. Bishops head that would tell vs that the name so taken is so fast ioyned and riueted with Christian profession and religion as that it cannot be separated from it for if it were not so riueted then how commeth it to passe that it is so now The originall thereof was as we may well coniecture by occasion of the heresie of the Donatists who challenged the name of the Church to a part in Africa or elsewhere which were followers of Donatus against whom they that defended the Church Catholike were thereof in processe of time termed by the name of Catholikes The first vse then of the name of Catholikes stood in opposition betwixt Catholikes and Donatists albeit custome soone transported it to make a generall opposition betwixt Catholikes and Heretikes Now the name thus arising accidentally and only by occasion who doubteth but that without preiudice of Christian profession it may by occasion be let fall againe And what greater occasion can there be then the Popish abuse thereof who make a Catholike to import the same in effect now that a Donatist did then For with them a Catholike is no otherwise taken but for a Roman Catholike and because the whole Church is not Roman but a part only what is this Roman Catholike but one who vnder the false name of a Catholike diuideth himselfe from the whole Church as the Donatists did to cleaue to a part thereof What is the name of a Catholike then with them but a Donatisticall name schismaticall and factious and therefore wicked and hatefull and in their sense wholly to be abandoned out of the Church of God Hereby it may appeare how idlely M. Bishop saith that the Apostles did ascribe and appropriate the name Catholike to true Christianity for although they taught vs to beleeue the Church to be Catholike that is vniuersally extended through the world yet did they neuer teach neither was it for a long time after them accustomed that true Christians were called by the name of Catholikes and therefore without wrong to any thing which the Apostles taught we may rightly say that the name according to the Popish abuse thereof is become the proper badge and marke of Apostataes and Heretikes And therefore although if we had beene in the time of Austin we would with him z August in Ioan. tract 32. Catholico nomine fide gaudemus haue reioyced in the Catholike name and faith yet now we cannot with the Papists reioyce in the name of Catholikes and without any blasphemy we reiect it because vnder that name they haue diuided themselues from the Catholike Church and haue destroyed the true Catholike faith Who though they be no other but proud and false fellowes as M. Bishop speaketh and meere vsurping companions and their insolent and audacious folly haue beene both rebuked and conuicted yet doe still impudently and infinitely persist in their absurd claime and doe leaue vs no way but only to desist from the communion of the name which we cannot free from that abuse Now whereas I say further that a Rom. 2. 28. the Apostle denyeth the name of Iewes to them who yet according to the letter were so called because of the circumcision of the flesh and applyeth the truth of the name to them who were so according to the spirit albeit according to the letter they were not so named M. Bishop very discreetly answereth that the name Iew being taken in the Apostles sense for one of what nation soeuer that fulfilleth the iustice of the law neuer was nor shall be a name of reproch But what is this I pray to that that I say Doe my words import that the name of a Iew in that sense is or hath beene a name of reproch When I say that the Apostle applyeth the truth of the name to the faithfull would he conceiue me that the Apostle applyeth to them a name of reproch My words plainly signifie that the name in vulgar and literall construction applyed to them who by propagation of nature are the seede of Abraham is become a name of reproch and shame but that as it hath implication of spirituall circumcision and conformity with Abraham it is a name of honour though they to whom it
Catholike Church from the errour of perfidiousnesse the obseruance or obedience almost of the whole world ioyned to his name and honour in which manner â—armenian also though he held the Church d Optat. lib. 2. Eam tu apud â—os solos esse dixisti to be with them only yet pretended e Ibid. post Offerre vos dicitis pro vna Ecclesia quae sit in totâ— terrarum orbe dissusa to offer or pray for one Church which is dispersed ouer the whole world Euen so the Papists also albeit they know that it is but a small part of the world wherein the communion of the Bishop and Church of Rome is accepted or acknowledged yet take pleasure to babble and prate as if the Popes triple crowne were so wide as to compasse the whole earth and his scepter so long as to reach to the worlds end Thus much then M. Bishop hath gained by being angry at my comparing the Papists to the Donatists that whereas I mentioned but fiue resemblances before I haue now added twelue more and so like are they in all these that I doubt not but by obseruation they may be found like in many moe As for the retortion of this comparison which he hath vsed in his answere to my Epistle Dedicatory as it is wholly forced and violent in it selfe so it argueth only malice and folly in him I will set downe the branches of the Donatists heresie as he hath noted them and adde the application that he hath made of euery of them First he f Reproofe pag. 42. saith they held that the true Church of Christ was perished all the world ouer sauing in some coastes of Africa where their doctrine was currant Well and what is that to vs The Protestants saith he teach euen as they did that Christs visible Church was perished for nine hundred yeares at the least all the world ouer and is now wholly decayed in all other parts of the world sauing where their doctrine is embraced and this he saith was the maine point of the Donatists heresie To shew why he nameth the visible Church he putteth in a parenthesis thus for the inuisible Church the Donatists held could not perish as St. Austin witnesseth in Psal 101. Which is a very lie neither is there any thing to be found in St. Austin to that effect But as touching the visible Church where doe the Protestants hold or affirme that it was or is perished in that sort as he saith Why doth he not cite vs some authour of this assertion Well whether we say so or not it skilleth not g Bellarm. de notis Eccles c. 9. Ecclesiam visibilem a multis seculis perijsse nunc solum esse in septentrionalibus partibus vbi ipsi sunt doceâ—t omnes Bellarmine hath told him that we all say so and that is enough for him Yet that we doe not all say so M. Bishop may sufficiently vnderstand by that that hath beene before handled at large as touching this point in the answere h Sect. 17. to the Preface to his second part whither I referre the Reader for further satisfaction hereof Here I briefly answere him that we hold in all that time wherof he speaketh one only Catholike church whereof the Church of England was a part and the Church of Rome another part and the Greeke Church another part and so the rest throughout the whole world The Church in these parts was in that time blemished with many corruptions and errours whilest first the Teachers in steede of i 1. Cor. 3. 18. siluer and gold and pearle built hay and straw and stubble vpon the foundation and secondly the Pastors more and more k Ierem. 10. 21. became beasts as the Prophet saith and sought not the Lord nor had any vnderstanding to teach Gods law by meanes whereof ignorance encreased and of ignorance grew superstition and one idolatry begat another till the whole face of the Church was berayed with the filth thereof l Mat. 24. 15. the abhomination of desolation standing in the holy place and the man of sinne tyraÌ„nizing ouer the Church and giuing strength to all abuse and corruption for his owne gaine So grosse were the enormities and superstitions which in this time had growen into the Church as that the great Rabbines of the Church of Rome could not for shame but in some part acknowledge the same and tooke vpon them to correct sundry things m Trident. CoÌ„cil sess 22. de Missa celebr Quae siue temporum vitio siue hominum incuria improbitate irrepserunt in Missam ipsam which either by the corruption of times or by the carelesnesse and naughtinesse of men were crept into the very Masse And thus the Pope himselfe confessed concerning their Offices and Primers that n Offic. Beatae Mariae per Pium V. in Summar constitut indulgent c. Vanis superstitionum erroribus alia ferè omnia huiusmodi officia etiam Latino sermone referta esse deprehensum fuit c. Credant ijsdeâ— alijs â—fficijs multas sub falsis confictis sanctorum nominiê° confictâ—â— orationes fuisse insertas they were found to be stuffed with vaine errours of superstitions and that many counterfaite praiers were inserted into them vnder false and counterfaite names of Saints Of these errours and superstitions they reformed what they list and purged their bookes and Seruice of many things that were amisse and what will any man say hereupon that they became another Church We proceeded further and voided the Church of the rest of those abhominations which ignorance and errour had brought in which they were not willing to haue medled with because the same were gainfull to them and shall we be said hereupon to deny that there was any visible Church before and to beginne a new Church No we say that the Church hath continued still from the time that it was first planted we affirme it to haue been the house of God the garden and vineyard of the Lord but we say that the husbandmen had long dealt wickedly and vnfaithfully in the vsage of it they drest not the Lords vine but suffered it to grow wild they let this garden be ouergrowen with briars and weedes and Foxes and Swine had liberty to tread it downe and to destroy it All that we haue done hath beene but to loppe and prune the vine to dresse and water the garden that lay wast to plucke vp the weedes and thornes to driue out the noysome beasts and to repaire the fence that they may be kept out Therefore we doe not take vpon vs to be another Church but the same Church reformed neither haue we gone about to bring in a new religion but only to reforme that which they call the old retaining still the same Scriptures which they acknowledged the same articles of faith the same Sacraments of Baptisme and the Supper of the Lord the same forme of diuine Seruice saue
vaine collections meere mockeries of simple and credulous persons very vnfit to stablish and resolue the conscience of any sober or aduised man CHAP. III. That the name of Catholikes is abused by the Papists and is in their abuse a Donatisticall and hatefull name of faction and schisme ANSWERE TO THE EPISTLE THere was reason why Austin should be moued with the name of Catholike c. to Now as of this Catholike Church c. W. BISHOP §. 1. SAint Augustine indeede was so much moued with the name of Catholike that he alleageth Cont. Epist Fund c. 4. De vera Relig. c. 7. it to haue beene one principall cause which kept him in the lappe of the Church And elsewhere very often exhorteth all Christians To hold the communion of that Church which both is Catholike and knowne also by that very name not only to her owne followers but also to others And the selfe same reason alleaged by M. Abbot himselfe which caused that most holy wise and learned Father to esteeme so highly of that title Catholike is now of great force to perswade all reasonable men to make themselues members of the Roman Church for by ioyning in society of faith with the Church of Rome they shall communicate with the Church spred ouer the whole world because the faith and religion of the Church of Rome hath beene generally receiued all the world ouer as our aduersaries themselues doe confesse The name Catholike is by the Protestants Donatistically applied to their schismaticall congregation that neither are nor euer were scattered all the world ouer but be inclosed and confined within certaine Countries of Europe is the Donatists were within the bounds of Afrike Most sottishly then to vse his owne wordes doth M. Abbot affirme the name Catholike to be applyed by vs of the Roman religion vnto the particular Church of Rome when as we call all other Churches of what Countrey soeuer that with the Church of Rome keepe intirely the same faith Catholike And men of all other nations doe we call Catholikes as well as those who are Romans borne because they all beleeue and confesse the same one Catholike faith that is extended ouer all the world R. ABBOT THe name of the Catholike Church might iustly moue St. Austin to continue in the society thereof when vnder that name a August coÌ„t Epist Fundam cap. 4. Tenet ipsum Catholica nomen quod non sine causa inter tam multas hâ—rescs ista Ecclesia sola obtinuâ—t Catholike he saw the communion of a Church successiuely continued from the time of the Apostles throughout the world and that only communion euery where termed by that name There was reason for him to exhort men b Idem de vera relig cap. 7. Tenenda est eius Ecclesiae communicatio quae Catholica est Catholica nominatur non solum à suis verumetiam ab omnibus inimicis to hold communion with that Church which was thus Catholike or Vniuersall and so called both of the friends and of all the enimies thereof and thereby to be fortified against all hereticall distractions and separations as knowing that to draw them away from this communion should bee to draw them away from the Church of Christ The appellation of Catholikes according to the originall of it as I haue c Chap. 2. § 4. before noted importeth an interest holden by them that are so called in this vniuersall communion without renting themselues by heresie or schisme from the common society and fellowship of the Church In this only meaning is it rightly vsed and they are meere vsurpers of it who take it to themselues without this or in any other sense Now whereas M. Bishop according to that sense as he pretendeth telleth vs that that name is of great force to perswade all reasonable men to make themselues members of the Roman Church he is greatly deceiued himselfe and doth but seeke to deceiue others therein because they wholly faile in the ground of it the Church of Rome being neither Catholike indeede as St. Austin requireth nor so called by any other but only by it selfe Who is there in the world so madde as to call the Roman Church the Catholike Church but only they that are drunke by drinking of the same cup He saith that we confesse that the faith and religion of the Church of Rome hath beene receiued all the world ouer but that is both waies a lye because neither doe we confesse so much neither was it euer so And therefore whereas he saith that by ioyning in society of faith with the Church of Rome we shall communicate with the Church spred ouer the whole world hee againe abuseth his Reader there being at this day no Church in Asia or Africa that holdeth communion with the Church of Rome to say nothing of the Greeke Church and sundry other in Europe that doe detest the fellowship thereof I am not ignorant how they seeke to gull the world in this behalfe and what goodgeons they giue men by telling and writing tales from Rome of d Gentillâ—t in Exam. Concil Trident. Patriarches and Metropolitans of the Aegyptians the Assyrians the Armenians the Aethiopians and such other like comming to Rome to submit themselues and to be reconciled to the Pope these iests are now growen stale these suborned and counterfait Patriarkes haue beene discryed and were they not men absurdly impudent they would neuer practise the like cosenage againe And yet my friend e And. Eudoem adu R. Abbat Respon lib. 3. sect 6. Aegyptius Câ—phtorum Patriarcha à quâ— Aethiopia petit pracepta fidei ad communionem Catholicam nuper Clemente octauâ— Pontifice redijt Cacâ—daemon telleth vs in sadnesse of the Aegyptian Patriarch vpon whom all the Churches of Aethiopia depend his name is neither knowen to him nor me that now very lately in the time of Clement the eight he returned to the communion of their Catholike Church the wise man not considering that thereby he doth intimate vnto vs contrary to other fables and tales which they haue giuen out before that therefore before that time he was a stranger to them Thus by reason that these submissions and reconciliations are still to seeke and the world seeth no appearance nor effect of them they are euery while put to their shifts to deuise new rumours hereof and to stuffe the old coate of some Gibeonite with straw setting him vp vpon a poles end vnder the name of the Patriarch of some farre Countrey so to feede the humours and fancies of them that doe yeeld themselues content to be gulled and deluded by them But against this foolery the Catholike Bishops truly noted against the Donatists that f Collat. Carthag 1. cap. 55. Non in vnum aliquem terra locum ex alijs locis ad Deum gentes venturas esse praedictum est sed in ocis suis â—um adoraturas it was not foretold by the Prophets that the nations should
them or will you haue men before due time to say O St. William helpe vs and saue vs l Iam. 5. 20. He that conuerteth a sinner from going astray saueth a soule from death and doth it follow that thenceforth wee must pray vnto him to helpe and saue vs Yea many a time it commeth to passe that hee which thus saueth another is found a reprobate himselfe and doth it yet follow that we must pray to him Paul and Timothy saued men as all Preachers doe by preaching the way of saluation by m Acts 11. 14. speaking the wordes vnto them by which they were saued They saued them to whom they preached them to whom they preached not they saued not nor can be said to saue vs otherwise then as Gods instruments they haue left vnto vs in writing the word of the Gospell by the faith whereof wee obtaine saluation And doth it follow that because they thus saued men when they were aliue therefore we must pray to them when they are dead or because they saued men by their preaching when they were aliue must we pray to them to helpe vs and saue vs by their merits and intercessions now they are dead or because Paul and Timothy saued men by their preaching must we pray to our Lady to holy Virgins and other Women that they will helpe vs and saue vs that preached not What sharpe eye-sight doe men get by being at Rome that can looke as farre into a text as they doe into a mil-stone and can see more in it then euer they thought of that were the writers of it Can wee doubt but that the Roman religion may bee proued by Scripture when as we see so pregnant places for the proofe of it or may we not rather thinke them besotted and bewitched that rest their faith and saluation vpon such proofes The like faculty and dexterity we see in the next proofe St. Paul did accomplish those things that want to the passions of Christ in his flesh for Christs body which is the Church therefore Christs passion doth not take away our owne satisfaction Of which place and his construction thereof I haue n Of Satisfaction sect â— formerly said so much and so plainly laied open his abuse of it as that for very shame hee should haue for borne to apply it any more to that effect There is no Father of the Church no ancient writer that hath either so expounded the place or affirmed the doctrine that they gather from it It is a meere Antichristian deuise full of blasphemy and indignity to the Sonne of God forged only for aduantage of filthy lucre and gaine so that we may iustly wonder that they dare thus wrest holy Scripture to the defence of it But doth St. Paul say any thing there that soundeth for satisfaction Hee telleth vs that for the Churches sake he fulfilleth for his part that which is wanting or yet behinde of the afflictions of Christ but doth he any way import that this is to satisfie for sinne or to redeeme the Church either from temporall or eternall punishment The Father o Heb. 2. 10. hath consecrated Iesus the Prince of our saluation through afflictions p Luke 24. 26. It behoued him first to suffer and so to enter into his glory God then hauing q Rom 8. 29. predestinated vs to be made like vnto the image of his sonne it followeth that r Vers 17. wee must also suffer with him that wee also may be glorified with him And because we are members of Christ who hath made the Church Å¿ Ephes 1. 23. his body and the fulnesse of himselfe and hath called the whole himselfe the head and vs the body by the one name of t 1. Cor. 12. 12. Gal. 3. 16. Christ professing expresly u Mâ—â— 25. 4â— 45. What yee haue done to one of the least of these my brethren yee haue done it vnto me therefore our afflictions and sufferings are called x 2. Cor. 1. 5. the sufferings and afflictions of Christ wheroâ— therefore there shall be some what behinde and to which there shall be still somewhat wanting vntill the passions and sufferings of the whole body euen of all the elect shall bee accomplished and fulfilled To St. Paul then it belonged being a member of the body of Christ to drinke of this cup and to be baptized with this baptisme but no otherwise did it belong to him then it belongeth to all the faithfull neither doth hee professe any thing here to bee fulfilled by him but what must successiuely and in order be fulfilled by them all Thus and no otherwise did Gregory Bishop of Rome vnderstand the Apostles fulfilling of the remainder of the afflictions of Christ y Gregor Expoâ—t in 1 Reg. lib 4. cap 4. pâ—ope finem No omnia nostra Christus expleuit Per crucem qui. dem suam omnes redemit sed remansit vt qui redimi cum eo regnore nititur crucifigatur Hoâ— profectòre fiduum viderat qui dicebat si compatimur conregnabimus quasi dicot Quod explâ—uit Christus noÌ„ valet nisi ei qui id quod remansit adimplet Hinc beatus Petrus Apostolis dicit Christus passas est pro nobis c. Hâ—nc Paulus aitâ— Aâ—â—mpleo â—a quae desunt pâ—ssoâ— Christâ—m coâ—pore meo Christ saith he did not fulfill all that appertaineth to vs. By his Crosse indeede he redeemed all but it remaineth that hee that seeketh to bee redeemed and to raigne with him must also be crucified This saith he he saw to be remaining which said If we suffer with him we shall raigne with him as if he said That which Christ fulfilled auaileth not but to him who fulfilleth that which yet remaineth Hereof St. Peter saith Christ suffered for vs leauing you an example that yee should follow his steps Hereof St. Paul saith I fulfill in my body those things which are yet wanting to the passion of Christ Hee attributeth redemption which is the satisfaction for our sinnes wholly to the Crosse of Christ but signifieth withall that God hath appointed that they shall be ioyned with Christ in z Phil. 3 10. the fellowship of his afflâ—ctions that shall bee partakers of his redemption and that this is the fulfilling of that that is wanting of the passions of Christ Now whereas he saith that he doth this for the Churches sake hee meaneth no other thereby then when hee saith to the Corinthians a 2. Cor. 12 15. I will most gladly be bestowed for your soules and to the Ephesians b Ephes 3. â— I am a prisoner in the Lord for you Gentils and to the Philippians c Phil 2. 17. I will gladly be offered vpon the sacrifice and seruice of your faith and to Timothy d 2. Tim. 2. 10. I suffer all things for the elects sake that they may also obtaine the saluation which is in Christ Iesus with eternall glory What did he intend
THE TRVE ANCIENT ROMAN CATHOLIKE BEING AN APOLOGY OR COVNTERPROOFE AGAINST DOCTOR BISHOPS REPROOFE of the defence of the Reformed CATHOLIKE THE FIRST PART Wherein the name of Catholikes is vindicated from Popish abuse and thence is shewed that the faith of the Church of Rome as now it is is not the Catholike faith nor the same with the faith commended in the Epistles of St. Peter and St. Paul and that confirmed by the testimony of the ancient Bishops of Rome and other Writers of that Church By ROBERT ABBOT Doctor of Diuinity Master of BALIOâ—â— Colledge in Oxford August cont Faust Munich l. 29. c. 2. Maneat nobis aduersus illâ—s potius pro veritate certamen quà m cum illâ—s in falsitate concordia LONDON Printed by William Stansby for Ambrose Garbrand and are to be sold at the signe of the Wind-mill in Pauls Church-yard 1611. TO THE RIGHT HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE HENRY PRINCE OF WALES DVKE OF CORNWALL AND ROTHSAY EARLE OF CHESTER Knight of the most Honorable Order of the GARTER MOST gracious and renowmed PRINCE such is the malice and fury of Antichrist Greg. lib. 4. Epist 38. and his army of Priests as Gregory calleth them in oppugning the religion and faith of Christ as giueth cause to vs that fight for Christ to stand continually 〈◊〉 our guard and to be ready still in armes to entertaine the assaults that are continually made against vs. They carry themselues now towards vs the more eagerly and angerly for that they see themselues deceiued of the prey which they long hoped for imagining before this time out of the troubled waters of this State to haue fished somewhat for aduantage to themselues Which expectation being by the mercy of God wholly frustrate they imitate the Dragon in the â— Reuelation casting out of their Reuel 12. 15. mouthes by calumniations and slanders and all outrage and importunity of malicious contradiction euen flouds of waters to carry violently away and to drowne if it were possible the woman euen the Church of Christ amongst vs that hath escaped their cruel and bloudy hands But thanks be to God that hath giuen vs meanes to set mounds and banks against these raging flouds that howsoeuer they threaten yet they hurt vs not nor endanger any but such as rashly aduenture to swimme in vnknowne waters or being desirous of curiosity and foolish humour to see their owne shadow in the riuer Tyber whilest they admire themselues cast themselues head-long to bee drowned therein Now in that seruice of the Roman Antichrist Doctor Bishop our Countriman hath very industriously done his part and hath laboured if not to excell yet to equall almost any of his fellowes in the subuerting of wayward and vnstable soules and in animating of men to obstinacy against the truth of God Who hauing to the Kings most excellent Maiesty disgorged against vs the venome and poison of his corrupt and wicked heart and being by me duly chastened for his disloyal and traiterous attempt to delude by false suggestions his Liege and Soueraigne Lord seeing his impostures and fraudes most plainely discouered and laied open hath since added drunkennesse Deut. 29. 19. to his thirst and sought to fill vp the measure of his former iniquity by wilfull railing at those things which he knoweth to be true and hauing no other way to reuenge the impeaching of his credit greatly touched as he conceiued by the answering of his booke hath in a latter booke runne vpon mee furiously and loden me so much as in him lieth with odious imputations of abusing falsifying misconstruing misapplying both Scriptures and Fathers like the vngracious Thiefe at the barre who conuicted by most cleare and apparant euidence yet still impudently cryeth out that all is false But by an Aduertisement written for the time concerning that booke of his I haue made it manifest that that cry of his is but a cry of course the breath of an obdurate and euill conscience by which he standeth condemned in himselfe desperately Tit. 3. 11. bent against his owne knowledge to peruert to forge to face any thing to serue his turne which plainly appearing so to be little reason had I to trouble my selfe to giue any further answere to it Neuerthelesse because the further answere of the chiefe part of it hath fallen within the compasse of my intention of describing the true ancient Roman Catholike and no difference there is but that whereas I might otherwise haue walked at mine owne liberty I now tie my selfe to follow him I haue yeelded so much to him that whereas by comparison I formerly shewed that the new Church of Rome in faith and religion is farre estranged from the old it may now more fully appeare that so it is and that M. Bishop contending for the contrary hath done it only for his belly and for his credits sake hauing made the deceiuing of soules his occupation to liue by and being ashamed at these yeares to confesse that he himselfe hitherto hath been deceiued Which worke I most humbly desire may goe forth vnder the protection of your Highnesse whom according to that eminent wisedome and knowledge wherewith God hath endued these your younger yeares I make the Iudge of this quarrell and therefore the first part thereof I now tender at your Highnesse feete for a testimony of my loyall and dutifull affection and for acknowledgement of my deuotions vnto almighty God for the preseruation of your Highnesse and the continuance and increase of his graces and blessings towards you that your Princely name may more and more grow great and may be a terrour to that selfe-exalting Kingdome and Monarchy of the great Capitolian Priest at length to worke the vtter ruine and confusion thereof Which as we beleeue not to bee farre of so we hope that in that glorious reuenge of the cause of almighty God your Highnesse shall haue a chiefe and an honorable part and that God will strengthen your arme and giue edge to your sword to strike through the loines of all them that are the supporters of that Antichristian and wicked state Which with all other additions of honour and renowme both with God and men I will neuer cease to further by my prayers vnto almighty God so resting alwaies To your Highnesse seruice most humbly and affectionately deuoted R. Abbot TO THE CHRISTIAN READER THov hast here good Christian Reader the first Part of the worke which I promised The true ancient Roman Catholike Thou maiest remember that in my answere to Doctor Bishops Epistle to the King I challenged the name of Catholiks from the Popish abuse thereof and shewed out of the true explication and vse of the word Catholike that neither the Church of Rome can be called the Catholike Church nor the faith of the Roman Church that now is can be called the Catholike faith and therefore that very fondly and by a meere vsurpation they take vnto them the name of Catholikes After this I entred
by occasion to a comparison betwixt the new that is and that that of old was the religion of the Church of Rome consisting specially of three parts In the first I shewed that neither the Epistle of S. Paul to the Romans which is the briefe of the religion which they at the first receiued and containeth as I shewed out of Theodoret all manner doctrine of faith nor yet the two Epistles of S. Peter whom they make the founder of their Church doe containe any defence of the doctrine now taught at Rome but doe teach only our religion In the second I set downe sundry definitions and doctrines of the ancient Roman faith deliuered by the Bishops of Rome and other Authours that haue witnessed the doctrine of that Church wholly consonant and agreeable to that that we teach and altogether impugned by the Roman Church that now is In the third I declared that there were sundry heresies condemned of old by the Roman Church which the Church of Rome now embraceth and defendeth The points of this comparison I then set downe only positiuely the occasion requiring no more not respecting what cauillations the aduersary might bring for oppugning thereof the matter being by that light that I gaue very cleare that the Church of Rome is not now the same that it was of old This matter I afterwards thought worthy of a larger treatise and purposed when opportunity should serue a more full prosecution of it thinking it would bee a great comfort and establishment to the consciences of many men perhaps to some an occasion of better minde when they should see in that Church of Rome that now is such a plain repugnancy to that that of old was which notwithstanding taketh vpon it impudently to haue beene alwaies the same and to bee the only certaine rule and oracle of true faith In this meane time Doctor Bishop fearing lest his silence should make his cause suspicious and therefore thinking it necessary whether right or wrong to say somewhat publiâ—â—eth A Reproofe of the defence of the Reformed Catholike setting vnder this title a Gorgons head to affright all men concerning me as hauing abused Gods sacred word mangled misapplyed and falsified the ancient Fathers sentences so that whosoeuer hath any due care of his owne saluation can neuer hereafter credit me in matter of faith and religion Concerning which hideous outcry of my falsifications I referre thee to the Aduertisement which I haue added to my third part of the defence of the Reformed Catholike where thou shalt see that as hee hath laied himselfe open so I haue scourged him accordingly But in that Reproofe of his very little is it that hee hath said for iustifying what he himselfe had before written not being able indeede to defend any one point thereof only he found somewhat whereof to cauill concerning my debating of the name Catholike and the comparison which I made betwixt the old and new Roman Church and thereof as touching the matter of substance he hath framed his booke To this therefore I haue addressed my description of the ancient Roman Catholike forbearing that more orderly course which I had intended for the performance of this worke and choosing rather to follow him steppe by steppe as formerly I haue done only beginning where hee commeth to the purpose and leauing all his vagaries and affected discourses to be more briefly touched in the end of all Of this worke I haue yet finished but only one part wherin I haue at large discouered their vaine ostentation of the Catholike name and faith and shewed plainely that the Romish religion now accordeth not with S. Pauls Epistle to the Romans no nor with his other Epistles which M. Bishop calleth to assist him because he findeth nothing to helpe him in that Epistle to the Romans In all which I haue beene carefull gentle Reader to giue thee satisfaction by the cleare testimony either of some learned Bishops of Rome or of some other famously approued and commended in that Church Being now required a seruice of another kinde so that I cannot yet goe forward with the rest I haue thought good to publish this in the meane time If I haue promised any thing in this that is not here performed expect it in that that is to come Assist me I pray thee with thy prayers vnto almighty God by whose grace I hope in due time to supply that that is wanting now The Contents of this Booke CHAP. I. THat the Church of Rome doth vaineâ—y and absurdly challenge to it selfe the name of the Catholike Church and hath no priuiledge from God either of superiority in gouernement or stability in faith CHAP. II. The comparison betwixt the Papists and the Donatists is iustified and enlarged CHAP. III. That the name of Catholikes is abused by the Papists and is in their abuse a Donatisticall and hatefull name of faction and schisme that being in that sort substantiuely and personally vnderstood it was not vsed for three hundred yeares after Christ and therefore being abused may bee left againe that Popery properly so called is nothing but additions of latter time to our religion CHAP. IIII. That the Church before Christ euen from the beginning was a part of the Catholike Church and that the faith and religion of the new Testament differeth not in substance from the old M. Bishops proofes for Popery out of the old Testament are shewed to be ridiculous and vaine In the end is a briefe defence of the Kings supremacy in causes Ecclesiasticall CHAP. V. That faith and religion cannot be safely grounded on the example of Fathers and fore-fathers and that the Popish agents and factours doe in this pretence also abuse the credulity of ignorant men CHAP. VI. That the reasons of Popery where there is not a minde preiudicate are not vrgent or forcible and that M. Bishop was iustly censured for that in repeating a rule deliuered by the Kings Maiestie for iudgement of true religion he left out some words thereof CHAP. VII Of the flourishing and best estate of the Church of Rome and of the testimony of Theodoret concerning fulnesse of doctrine contained in the Epistle to the Romans and that the Apostle there condemneth Popery of idolatry in worshipping Saints and Images CHAP. VIII That iustification before God consisteth not in proceeding from faith to workes but in the continuation of faith to faith and that this faith notwithstanding cannot be separated from charity and good workes CHAP. IX That the iustification of man before God is the imputation of righteousnesse without workes CHAP. X. That eternall life is meerly and wholly the gift of God and cannot be purchased by merit or desert CHAP. XI That concupiscence or lust is sinne euen in the very habit and first motions of it CHAP. XII Of the spirit of adoption giuing witnesse to the faithfull that they are the sonnes of God CHAP. XIII That the good workes or sufferings of this life are not meritorious or worthy
the world for it is totum integrale to vse the schoole termes and not totum vniuersale quod dicitur de multis Secondly the Catholike Church â—oth also designe and note very properly euery particular Church that embraceth the same true Christian faith which hath continued euer since Christs time and beene receiued in all Countries not only because it is totum similare as Mr. Abbot speaketh wherefore euery true member of the Catholike Church mâ—y be called Catholike but also because each of the said particular Churches hath the same Faith the same Sacraments and the same order of gouernement all which are as it were the soule and forme of the Catholike Church which Mr. Abbot acknowledgeth and further also confesseth out of S. Augustine that Christians were called Catholikes Ex communicatione totius orbis By hauing Epistola 48. communion of faith with the whole world If then by his owne confession euery particular Church yea euery particular Christian that imbraceth and professeth that faith which is dilated all the world ouer be truly called Catholike how fondly then did he goe about to proue the Church of Rome not to be Catholike and Papists not to be Catholikes because forsooth they were particulars Yet that he may be thought not to dote outright but rather to dreame he addeth That at least the Church of Rome hath no reason to assume to her selfe the prerogatiue of that title because that euery Church where the true faith is taught is truly called Catholike and no one more then another I note first that this man is as constant and stable as the weather-cocke on the toppe of a steeple before he proued stoutly as you haue heard that no particular Church could be called Catholike now he will haue euery particular Church that receiueth the true faith to be called Catholike Neither doe we say that any one Oxthodoxe Church is more Catholike then another if the word Catholike be taken precisely though we hold that among all the particular Catholikes the Roman holdeth the greatest priuiledges both of superiority in gouernement and of continuance and stability in the same true Catholike faith which is deduced out of the word of God because that Church is the Rocke according to the Math. 16. v. 18. exposition of the ancient Fathers vpon which the whole Church was built and against which the gates of hell should neuer preuaile Againe the Bishop of Rome succeedeth lineally vnto S. Peter Whose faith Luc. 22. v. 23. through the vertue of Christs prayer shall neuer faile Wherefore S. Ireneus a most learned Archbishop of Lyons in France and a glorious Martyr of great antiquity saith That all Churches ought to agree with the Lib. 3. cap. 3. Church of Rome for her more mighty principality S. Cyprian Archbishop of Carthage in Africke affirmeth That perfidiousnesse and falshood in matters Lib. 1. Epist 3. of faith can haue no accesse vnto the See of Rome S. Ambrose taketh it to be all one to say the Catholike and the Roman Church in these wordes If he shall agree De ob Satyri with the Catholike that is with the Roman Church So doth S. Hierome when he saith of Ruffinus What Hieron in Apol. 1 cont Russi c. 1. faith doth he say his to be if the Roman faith we are then Catholikes affirming men to become Catholikes by holding the Roman faith Tertullian Epiphanius De Prascript Epiph. hares 27. Lib. 2. cont Parmeni August Epist 165 Optatus S. Augustine dâ—e proue their Churches to be Catholike and themselues to be Catholikes by declaring that they doe communicate with the Church of Rome in society of faith and doe condemne their aduersaries to be Schismatikes and Heretikes because they did not communicate with the same Roman Church And which is greatly to be noted no generall Councell of sound authority wherein the Christian truth hath beene expounded and determined but is confirmed by the Bishop of Rome And on the other side no heresie or error in faith hath sprong vp since the Apostles dayes that did not oppose it selfe against the Roman See and was not by the same finally ouerthrowne Whereupon S. Augustine had good reason to say De vtil cred cap. 17. That that chaire obtayned the top of authority Heretikes in vaine barking round about it This little I hope will suffice for this place to declare that there is great cause why we should attribute much more to the Roman Church then to any other particular Church what soeuer and yeeld to it the prerogatiue of all singular titles in a more excellent manner R. ABBOT VVHereas M. Bishop made motion to his Maiesty to accept of the Catholike faith I tooke occasion to note that the Catholike faith is so called of the Catholike Church and consequently to shew that the Catholike Church by the very signification of the word importeth the vniuersal Church so called as I noted out of Austin and Athanasius a Aug. de vnit Eccles cap. 2. Qâ—am maiores nostri Catholicam nominarâ—t vt ex ipso nomine ostenderent quiâ— per totum est Athanas quest 71. Catholica propterea quòd per totum mundum diffusa sit Quia per totum est because it is ouer all or through all the world and is not tyed to any Countrey place person or condition of men b Aug. in Psal 56. Corput eius est Ecclesâ—â— non hâ—c aut illa â—ed toto orbe diffusa nec ea quae nunc est in hominibus qui prâ—sentem vitam agunt sed ad â—am pertinentibus â—â—iam his qui fuerunt ante nos his qui futâ—ri sunt post nos vsque in sinem seculi Not this Church or that Church as S. Austin further saith but the Church dispersed through the whole world and not that which consisteth in men now presently liuing but so as that there belong to it both those that haue been before vs and shall be after vs to the worlds end Now before I could conueniently make vse and application hereof I was to remoue the stumbling blocke that lay in the way by the absurd presumption of the Church of Rome which like c Anian fabul the Asse in the fable of Antanus that to make himselfe terrible put on him a Lions skin so being become the Asse to carry Balaam the false Prophet who for d 2. Pet. 2. 15. Apoc. 2. 13. the wages of vnrighteousnesse hath set his heart to curse and scandalize the people of God to take away the reproch hereof and to gaine to it selfe a soueraigne authority ouer other Churches hath laboured by all meanes to entitle it selfe to a propriety of the name of the Catholike Church so as none should be taken to be a member of the Catholike Church but only as he is subiect to the church of Rome Duraeus the Iesuit out of the abundance of his Catholike wit hath told vs a tale which the old Catholike
Papa Ecclesiae Catholicâ— vrbis Romae Bishop of the Catholike Church of the Citty of Rome so doth Constantine the Emperor write p Socrat. hist l. 1. c. 6. Constantinus Catholicâ— Alexandrinorum Ecclesiae to the Catholike Church of Alexandria and Austin nameth q August coÌ„t Crescon l. 3. c. 13. Omnis Africana Catholica Ecclesia the Catholike Church of Africa and Aurelius writeth himselfe r Collat. cum Donat. cognit 1. c. 16. Aurelius Episcopus Ecclesie Catholicae Carthaginensis Bishop of the Catholike Church of Carthagâ— another Aurelius Å¿ Ibid. cap. 201. Aurelius Episcopus Ecclesiae Catholicae Macomadiensis Bishop of the Catholike Church of Macomadia Nouatus t Ibid. c. 204. Nouatus Episcopus Ecclesiae Catholicae Sitifi Bishop of the Catholike Church of Sitif And so in the fift Councell at Constantinople we reade u Conc. ConstaÌ„tinop 5. act 1. Supplicatio à Clericis Monachis Apostolici throni Antiochenae magnae ciuitatis Catholicae Sanctae Ecclesiae Dei The holy Catholike Church of Antioch and in the subscriptions of the Councell Sextilianus Bishop of the Catholike Church of Tunis and x Ibid. Act. 8. in subscript Sextâ—lianus misericordia Dei Episcopus Ecclesiae Catholicae Tuniensis Megethius gratia Dei Episcopus Sanctae Dei Catholicae Ecclesiae ciuitatis Heracleae Mâ—gethius Bishop of the holy Catholike Church of the citty of Heraclea and Pompeianus Bishop of the holy Catholike Church of the citty of Victoria and many other in the like sort Herein then standeth the error not that the name of the Catholike Church is vsed of a particular Church but because it is absurdly made a propriety of one particular Church which was neuer vsed but indifferently of all Churches and neuer but with implying the signification of the vniuersall Church Thus I am still constant in one tale what I said before I said after and I say it now againe and more cause there was for M. Bishop to haue taken another Cocke to himselfe then to put the weather-cocke to me Now he himselfe confesseth that no one Orthodoxe Church is more Catholike then other if the word Catholike be taken precisely but what it meaneth with him if it be taken precisely he telleth vs not If Orthodoxall and Catholike precisely taken be all one with him he playeth the Donatist as we shall see hereafter and in that sense amongst many Churches that may bee called orthodoxal and sound there may yet be some more sound then other If in true meaning it be taken precisely and properly then it is taken as in the Creede we professe to beleeue the holy Catholike that is the vniuersall Church and so no particular Church as hath been said and as M. Bishop hath confessed can be called the Catholike Church M. Bishop therefore vnlesse he be wilfull must also necessarily confesse that the church of Rome being a particular Church dealeth absurdly in applying to it selfe the name of the Catholike Church there where the word Catholike without all doubt is precisely and properly taken But though speaking precisely no one Church be more Catholike then other yet we hold saith M. Bishop that among all the particular Catholikes the Roman holdeth the greatest priuiledges both of superiority in gouernement and stability in true faith Hold it M. Bishop where you haue it and blinde men as much as you can in the conceipt of it but where you haue it not yee are neuer likely to obtaine it To vs it is nothing what you hold what you proue is somewhat but you may hold with Copernicus if you will that the Sunne standeth still and the earth turneth round or with Anaxagoras that snow is black So the Church of Rome according to that it was we attribute eminency of place precedence of honour authority of estimation and account but authority of power or superiority of gouernment we acknowledge none belonging thereto We reade that other Churches haue yeelded vnto it amity and loue y Rom. 16. 16. The Churches of Christ salute you but no where doe we reade All the Churches of Christ are subiect vnto you And will any man thinke it credible that such priuiledges should appertaine to the Church of Rome and yet that neither St. Paul nor St. Peter himselfe should make any mention of them The one of them wrote to the Church of Rome it selfe they both wrote to many other Churches and would they neuer haue remembrance to say any thing of the Lord God the Pope Yea St. Iohn did honor to z Apoc. 1. 4. the seuen Churches of Asia by writing to them and would he neuer speake of a Apoc. 17. 9. the seuen hils of Rome but only as the seate of the whoore of Babylon Yea of those seuen Churches of Asia it is to be noted which Gregory Bishop of Rome oftentimes deliuereth hath Austin therin agreeing with him that b Gregor in Ezech. hom 15. In â—oannis Apocalypsi septem Ecclesijs scribitur per quas vna Catholica designatur Praefat. ad exposit Iob. Per septem Ecclesiarâ—m numerum vniuersalis Ecclesia designatur Sic August Ep. 161. in them is designed or figured the Catholike or vniuersall Church And to this accordeth Optatus also when of those Churches hee saith c Optat. Mileuit lib. 2. Extra septem Ecclesias quicquid foris est alienum est Whatsoeuer is without the seuen Churches is altene and strange Now amongst those seuen Churches none had any priuiledge either of superiority in gouernement or of stability in faith There is not one Angell or one Church questioned for all as hauing charge and authority ouer all but euery Angel euery Church seuerally censured by it selfe and according to euery their works either allowed or reproued Sith then the principall must haue correspondence with the figure it must likewise be in the vniuersall Church that no one Church hath priuiledge or superiority aboue all but euery Church accordingly as it performeth fidelity vnto God either standeth or falleth either is accepted or refused And the lesse hath the Church of Rome to presume of priuiledge in this behalfe for that it hath speciall caution giuen to the coÌ„trary d Rom. 11. 20. Be not high minded but feare fâ—r if God spared not the naturall branches take heede lest he also spare not thee Behold the bountifulnes of God towards thee if thou continue in his bountifulnes or else thou shalt also be cut off This notwithstanding M. Bishop telleth vs that that which they hold of those Romish priuiledges is deduced out of the word of God But how because that Church is the Rocke according to the expositâ—on of the ancient Fathers vpon which the whole Church was built and against which the gates of hell should neuer preuaile Here is chalke for cheese we were promised a deduction out of the word of God and insâ—eede thereof he bringeth vs an exposition of the ancient Fathers But
vpon the Rocke If then the Rocke bee the Roman Church and other Churches in the beginning were builded vpon it it must needes follow that the gates of hell should neuer haue preuailed against other Churches But they will not denie but that the gates of hell haue preuailed against other Churches Therefore the Rocke is not the Roman Church neither were other Churches in the beginning builded vpon it If he will haue the meaning to be that the gates of hell shall not preuaile against other Churches so long as they continue builded vpon the Roman Church he teacheth vs an exposition against himselfe that so long as the Roman Church continueth builded vpon the Rocke which is Christ Iesus so long the gates of hell shall not preuaile against it but no assurance haue we that it shall alwaies continue so builded vpon the Rocke But hee saith further that the Bishop of Rome liâ—â—ally succeedeth vnto S. Peter Be it so and so did Caiaphas succeede lineally to Aaron yet did Caiaphas giue sentence against Christ Their owne law saith g Non sunt omnes filij Sanctorum qui teâ—ent loca Sanctorum sed qui exercent opera â—orum All are not the children of Saints that hold the places of Saints but they that practise the workes of Saints Yea but Christ prayed for Peter h Luke 22. 32. that his faith might not faile He did so but I aske then with Austin i Aug. quaest vet noui testam 75. Pro Petro rogabat pro lacobo Ioanne non râ—gabat vt câ—teros taceam Manifestum est in Petro omnes â—â—tinâ—ri â— râ—gans enim pro Petro pro omnibus râ—gassâ— dignoscitur Did he pray for Peter and did he not pray for Iames and Iohn to say nothing of the rest It is manifest that in Peter they are all contained and praying for Peter he is knowen to pray for them all Of them all hee prayeth k Iohn 17. 11. 25. Holy Father keepe them in thy name I pray thee to keepe them from euill And what is the meanes whereby they are kept Euen the same that St. Peter expresseth when hee saith l 1. Pet. 1. 5. Yee are kept by the power of God through faith vnto saluation If through faith then Christ in praying to the Father to keeâ—â— them is consequently vnderstood to pray that their faith may not faile through which they are kept Yea St. Austin maketh it common to all the elect that m August de corrept grat cap. 12. Pro his ergò interpellante Christo ne deficiat fides eoruÌ„ sine dubio noÌ„ deficiet vsque in finem ac per hoc perseuerabit vsque in finem Christ prayeth for them that their faith may not falle and that by vertue of this prayer it doth neuer faile finally but perseuereth to the end If then Peter in this prayer haue no priuiledge aboue other then can nothing in this behalfe be deriued to other by priuiledge from him Albeit let it be admitted that Christ here meant a singular fauour to Peter what shall that be to the Pope What Art hath M. Bishop whereby to deriue the effect of Christs prayer from Peter to their Popes from an holy Apostle to a ranke and succession of men amongst whom there haue beene so many Atheists Infidels Idolaters Heretikes so many incarnate Diuels and hatefull Monsters of mankind This is a matter of great weight and we require some good authority and proofe for it that what Christ prayed for the Apostle Peter the same he hath prayed for the Pope also But in the proofe of this he faileth wholy neither can he any way perswade it vnlesse he meete with either simple or well-willing creditors who will bee content for payment to take counters in steede of gold And yet I would further aske him what faith it was whereof Christ prayed in the behalfe of Peter that the same might not faile Surely by St. Austins application formerly mentioned it appeareth that it was meant of that faith which is n T it 1. 1. the faith of Gods elect that iustifying and sauing faith whereby Peter should rise againe from his fall and should resist thenceforth the temptations of Satan and stand stedfast thereby vnto eternall life But M. Bishop will not deny but that many Popes there haue beene in whom this faith hath failed or rather in whom it neuer was many who haue beene reprobates and cast awaies and their end euerlasting death Of Sixtus the fift namely Bellarmine being asked what hee thought after his death answered as Watson in his Quodlibets reporteth o Wats Quodlibet Quantum capio quantum sapio quantum intelligo descendit ad infernum Qui sine poenitentia viâ—it sine poenitentia moritur proculdubio descendit ad infernum So farre as I can conceiue or vnderstand he is gone downe to hell he that liueth and dieth without repentance goeth vndoubtedly to hell In him therefore and maâ—â— other such like the prayer of Christ did not take effect and therefore certaine it is that it did not appertaine vnto them If M. Bishop will needs vnderstand it that Christ praied for Peter that he might be free from errour in iudgement of faith then not to question whether Peter thenceforth committed any errour in iudgment it must needs be that the Pope cannot be subiect to errour in that behalfe But they themselues confesse that the Pope as a priuate man may erre that hee may be an Heretike and defend heresie only in his Consistoriall sentence and Pontificall decree hee cannot erre Was this then the intent of Christs prayer in the behalfe of Peter that howsoeuer he might otherwise be an Hypocrite or an Heretike yet when he should set himselfe down in his chaire to define any matter hee should bee like Balaam to blesse where hee meaneth to curse and like Caiaphas to prophesie without vnderstanding what he saith I dare appeale to M. Bishop himselfe if he be sober that this was not Christs meaning in respect of Peter If it were not thus meant of Peter and it can bee no otherwise deriued to the Pope but as it was meant of Peter then it must follow that because it can in no other meaning be fitted to the Pope therefore it can haue no reference to the Pope at all If hee bee so absurd as to say that it was so meant of Peter I will not stand to disproue a drunken mans dreame I only require proofe of that hee saith But because hee can deduce nothing out of the word of God he will make some flourish with some few sentences of the ancient Fathers And first hee beginneth with Ireneus who going in hand to auouch the true doctrine of faith by the testimony of the Churches which had receiued the same from the Apostles for auoâ—ding tediousnesse bringeth in steede of many other the Church of Rome being a very great and very ancient Church and knowen to all
the Catholike or Vniuersall Church discountenancing all partiall and schismaticall combinations and meere impudency is it by those or any other wordes of Austin to challenge to the Church of Rome an authority or superiority of gouernement ouer other Churches when as wee see that both Austin and the rest of the Bishops of Africa did with one consent vtterly disclaime the same Hitherto therefore wee see no cause to attribute to the Church of Rome any such priuiledges as M. Bishop pretendeth and the lesse opinion haue wee that any such there are for that hee bringeth no shew of proofe but onely by wresting and falsifying the Authours whom hee alleageth in that behalfe W. BISHOP §. 3. HEre comes in Master Abbots second proposition but the CHVRCH of Rome is a particular CHVRCH in which is as great doubling and deceit as in the former for albeit the Church of Rome doe in rigour of speech only comprehend the Christians dwelling in Rome yet is it vsually taken by men of both parties to signifie all Churches of whatsoeuer other Country that doe agree with the Church of Rome in faith and confesse the Pastor thereof to be the chiefe Pastor vnder Christ of the whole Church Like as in times past the Roman Empire did signifie not the territory of Rome alone or Dominion of Italie but also any nation that was subiect to the Roman Emperor Euen so the whole Catholike Church or any true member thereof may be called the Roman Church à parte principaliore because the Bishop of Rome is the supreme head of their Church Wherevpon if you demand of a French Catholike of what Church he is his answere will be that he is of the Catholike Roman Church where he addeth Roman to distinguish himselfe from all Sectaries who doe call themselues sometimes Catholikes though most absurdly and to specifie that hee is such a Catholike as doth wholly ioyne with the Roman Church in faith and religion Euen as the word Catholike was linked at first with Christian to distinguish a true Christian beleeuer from an Heretike according to that of Pacianus an ancient Authour Christian is my name Epistola ad Simphorian Catholike is my surname so now adaies the Epitheton Roman is added vnto Catholike to separate those Catholikes that ioyne with the Church of Rome in faith from other sectaries who doe sometimes call themselues also Catholikes though very ridiculously because they be diuided in faith from the greatest part of the vniuersall world Out of the premises may bee gathered that the Roman Church may well signifie any Church that holdeth and maintayneth the same faith which the Roman doth whence it followeth that M. Abbot either dealt doubly when he said the Roman Church to be a particular Church or else he must confesse himselfe to be one of those Doctors whom the Apostle noteth For not vnderstanding what 1. Tim. 1. vers 7. they speake nor of what they affirme R. ABBOT HEre is a new-found distinction and I confesse my selfe to be one of those Doctors that know it not and wee see that M. Bishop as great a Doctor as he is yet can bring neither Scripture nor Father nor Councell nor Story nor any ancient writer whatsoeuer for the warrant of it but such as it is wee must take it barely vpon his owne word The Church of Rome hath abused the world vnder pretence of the name of the Catholike Church alleaging falsly of it selfe that which is truly said of the Catholike Church that without the Church there is no saluation To discouer this fraude we instruct men as truth is that the Church of Rome is but a particular Church and therefore cannot be called the Catholike that is the vniuersall Church and therefore againe that it is but a meere mockery of Popish impostours whereby they say that out of the Church meaning the Church of Rome there is no saluation To this M. Bishop answereth that in that proposition The Church of Rome is a particular Church there is doubling and deceipt And how I pray Forsooth albeit the Church of Rome in rigour of speech doe comprehend only the Christians dwelling in Rome yet it is vsually taken to signifie all Churches of other Countries agreeing in faith with the Church of Rome and confessing the Pope to be chiefe Pastor of the whole Church Where it is to be obserued how hee setteth himselfe meerely to circumuent and cosen his Reader For it being admitted that the Church of Rome is taken to signifie all Churches of other Countries agreeing in faith with the Church of Rome and confessing the Popes chiefty ouer them yet this nothing hindereth but that the Church of Rome is still a particular Church or a part only of the Church because the whole Church doth not agree nor euer hath agreed to giue to the Pope and Church of Rome that chiefty which they require For how many Churches are there not in Europe only but also in Asia and Africa that deride that claime of theirs and neither yeeld nor acknowledge any such superiority to belong vnto them Yea and his owne instance of the Roman Empire confoundeth him in this behalfe because as the Roman Empire was not the Empire of the whole world but imported only the Countries subiect to the Romans there being many other Dominions and Kingdomes that were neuer subiect vnto them euen so the Roman Church is not the Church of the whole world which is the Catholike Church but signifieth only those Churches which professe subiection to the Bishop of Rome there being many other Churches which professe no such subiection Now therefore be it so that the Church of Rome is so vsually taken to signifie other Churches submitting themselues to the Church of Rome M. Bishop for all this to his purpose is neuer a whit the nearer vnlesse he can shew that the Church of Rome is taken to signifie the whole Catholike Church of Christ For if it be not the whole Catholike Church then it is but a member and part thereof and therefore only a particular Church Tell vs then M. Bishop is it any where to be found that the Roman Church is taken to signifie the whole Catholike Church Marke I pray thee gentle Reader how it sticketh betwixt his teeth Faine hee would speake it and yet because hee knoweth it to bee an absurd lye his heart faileth him and only faintly hee telleth vs The whole Catholike Church may be called the Roman Church But M. Bishop doe not tell vs what in your foolish conceipt may bee tell vs what hath beene done The Fathers were interested in this cause as well as wee they haue told vs of the East Church and the West Church the Greeke Church and the Latin Church they haue infinite times made mention of the Roman Church but shew vs that euer they meant by the Roman Church to signifie the whole Church Here hee is blancke and can say nothing and if he would say any thing the
testimony of Pighius one of his owne fellowes should be sufficient to choake him a Pigh Eccles Hierarch l. 6. cap. 3. Quis per Râ—manaÌ„ Ecclesiam vnquam intellexit aut vniuersalem Ecclesiam aut generale Concilium Who did euer by the Roman church vnderstand the vniuersall Church A generall Councell is holden to be by representation the vniuersal or Catholike church and who was there euer so far out of his wits as to cal a generall Councell the Roman Church The seuen Churches of Asia haue been taken to betoken the vniuersall Church as we haue seene before but who euer said or thought that they did betoken the Roman church Now whereas he telleth vs that it may be so taken I answer him that so some man may take M. Bishop to signifie a ioined-stoole For if men will take names words to signifie what they list why may not some man be as wilfull in the one as he seeth them witlesse in the other What authority haue they to impose significations vppon words and phrases contrary to the first original thereof and to the alwaies continued custome and vse of the whole Church The Church of Christ absolutely is but one dispersed and scattered ouer the whole world Of this one Church there are notwithstanding diuers parts which all being in nature alike are by the name of the whole called by the name of b Act. 15. 41. Rom. 16. 16. Churches For distinction of these Churches they haue euery of them their denomination of the places where they are The church of Antioch is called c Act. 13. 1. the Church which is at Antioch the Church of Corinth is d 1. Cor. 1. 2. the Church of God which is at Corinth the Church of Ephesus are e Ephes 1. 1. the Saints which are at Ephesus And thus when the Apostle meant to write to the Church of Rome he writeth f Rom. 1. 7. to all that be at Rome beloued of God c. For as the Church of Thessalonica is g 1. Thess 1. 1. the Church of the Thessaelonians that is of them that inhabite Thessalonica so the Church of Rome is the Church of the Romans that is of them that inhabite Rome And thus we see that in the inscriptions of the Epistles of the ancient Bishops of Rome accordingly as we haue them albeit sometimes they wrote themselues Bishops of the Catholike Church yet doe shew that they meant it no otherwise then as all Bishops wrote themselues Bishops of the Catholike Church as I haue before shewed namely with limitation thereof to the Citty of Rome whereof they were Bishops without euer dreaming of M. Bishops vniuersall Roman Church Thus we finde h Calixt Epist 1. Calixtus Archiepiscopus Ecclesiae Catholicae vrbis Romae Calixtus Archbishop of the Catholike Church of the Citty of Rome i Marcellin Epist 1. Marceilinus Episcopus Sanctae Ecclesiae Catholicae vrbis Romanae Marcellinus Bishop of the holy Catholike Church of the Citty of Rome k Marcell Epist 2. Marcellus Episcopus Sanctae Apostolicae Catholicae vrbis Romae Marcellus Bishop of the holy and Apostolike and Catholike Citty of Rome And so Leo onewhere writing himselfe l Leo. Epist 13. Leo Catholicae Romanae Ecclesiae Episcopus Leo Bishop of the Catholike Roman Church doth otherwhere plainly expresse the meaning thereof m Epist 1 2. 3. Leo vrbis Romae Epi copios Et Epist 12. Leo Papa Ecclesiae Catholicae vrbis Romae Leo Bishop of the City of Rome Leo Bishop of the Catholike Church of the Citty of Rome To bee short it is not to bee found that euer the Church of Rome was otherwise vnderstood but only for the Church of the Citty of Rome and shall wee hearken to these new vpstart Minters that thus coyne vs a Church of Rome that was neuer heard of before And therefore it is nothing to vs what they by abuse of speech teach their followers to say let their French Disciples say they are of the Catholike Roman Church we vnderstand them thereby to take part with the Church of Rome but the Church of Rome is that of Rome only whereto they addict themselues Albeit by that addition what doe they but shew themselues Sectaries and Schismatikes diuiding themselues factiously apart from the whole the Catholike Roman Church absurdly so named by themselues from that which is absolutely and therefore truly called the Catholike Church For the Catholike Church is the whole Church as hath beene said but Roman put to it is a terme of diminution and abridgeth the whole to a part the vniuersall to a particular because the whole is not Roman Therefore to say Catholike Roman is to say Catholike not Catholike and Roman Catholikes are Catholikes which are no Catholikes and of them it may be truly said which Optatus said of the Donatists n Optat lib. 2. Vultis vos solos esse totum qui in omni toto non estis You would haue your selues only to be the whole who are not in all the whole Now here we may aske them with what face they can talke of antiquity who haue brought into the Church so strange a nouelty as this is The name of Catholikes and of the Catholike Church which pleased antiquity is not enough for them Pacianus said of old o Pacian ad Simpron epist 1. Christianus mihi nomen est Catholicus verò cognomen Christian is my name and Catholike my surname but that is changed now into Roman Catholike is my surname disclaiming thereby the communion and fellowship of the Catholike Church and banding themselues in a partiall and factious confederacy with the Roman Church Thus hauing departed from the ancient faith and discipline of the Catholike Church they doe notwithstanding for colouring of their Apostasie retaine certaine names and formalities thereof but they doe it so as that by their additions and constructions they make no other but mungrels and bastards of them And this appeareth by the reason that M. Bishop giueth of their adding Roman to Catholike namely to separate them that ioyne in faith with the Church of Rome from other sectaries because Catholikes were of old so called not for ioyning in faith with this or that Church but for being members of the vniuersall Church And if that reason were sufficient it should haue waighed of old as well as now when there were so many Sects and Heresies in the Church when Schismatikes and Heretikes vsurped to themselues the name of Catholikes and yet the Catholike saw no reason to draw the whole to the name of any part or to call themselues otherwise then by the name of Catholikes as resoluing to professe no other communion or fellowship but vniuersally with the Church of the whole world Neither was it otherwise till Antichrist had exalted himselfe in the Roman Sea who challenging to himselfe and his only to bee the Church of God tooke vpon him to
set his owne marke vpon the Church to call it the Catholike Roman Church and the members thereof Roman Catholikes that none should thenceforth bee called Catholikes but such as would bee called Roman Catholikes And hereof M. Bishop very rightly saith that hereby they separate those Catholikes that ioyne in faith with the Church of Rome from other sectaries as importing them also to bee Sectaries that ioyne in faith with the Church of Rome and that by this marke they are to bee knowen from other Sectaries For certaine it is that the name of Roman Catholike is a name of Sect and Schisme and an open proclaiming of a rent and diuision of the Catholike Church of Christ Now for conclusion of this passage hee telleth vs that out of the premises may bee gathered that the Roman Church may well signifie any Church holding the same faith which the Roman doth But what premises may wee thinke hee meaneth here Surely if this bee his conclusion wee finde here nothing but conclusion premises to proue it wee finde none Hee hath told vs before that it may bee so and here full wisely hee repeateth the same againe but neither before nor here doth hee say any thing whereof it should bee gathered that it may bee so And though it may be so yet it auaileth him nothing as hath beene said because it is but a part of the Church that ioyneth in faith with the Church of Rome and therefore the Roman Church cannot bee said to bee the whole Catholike Church so that my proposition still standeth good the Church of Rome is a particular Church and Master Bishop though hee bee a Doctor that sometimes vnderstandeth what hee speaketh yet is not so great a Doctor in this point as that hee can giue vs any reason why hee ought otherwise to vnderstand W. BISHOP §. 4. NOw to this his second sophistication The Roman Church by our rule is the head and all other Churches are members to it but the Catholike comprehendeth all ergo to say the Roman Church is the Catholike is to say the head is the whole body Here is first a mishâ—pen argument by which one may proue or disproue any thing for example I will proue by the like that the Church of England is not Catholike thus The Church of England by their crooked rule is a member of the Catholike Church but the Catholike church comprehendeth all wherefore to say the English Church is the Catholike Church is to say a member is the whole body Besides the counterfaite fashion of the argument there is a great fallacy in it for to omit Fellacia accidentis that wee say not the Church of Rome but the Bishop of Rome to be the head of the Church it is a soule fault in arguing as all Logitians doe vnderstand when one thing is said to be another by a metaphore to attribute all the properties of the metaphore to the other thing For example Christ our Sauiour is metaphorically said to bee a Lyon Vicit Leo de tribu Iuda now if therehence Apocal. 5. v. 5. any man would inferre that a Lyon hath foure legges and is no reasonable creature ergo Christ hath as many or is not indued with reason he might himselfe therefore bee well taken for an vnreasonable and blasphemous creature Euen so must M. Abbot bee who shifteth from that propriety of the metaphore Head which was to purpose vnto others that are cleane besides the purpose For as Christ was called a Lyon for his inuincible fortitude so the Bishop of Rome is called the head of the Church for his authority to direct gouerne the same but to take any other propriety of either Lyon or Head when they be vsed metaphorically and to argue out of that is plainly to play the Sophister Wherefore to conclude this passage M. Abbot hath greatly discouered his insufficiency in arguing by propounding arguments that offend and be very vitious both in matter and for me and that so palpably that if young Logitians should stand vpon such in the paruies they would be hissed oâ—t of the Schooles it must needs be then an exceeding great shame for a Diuine to vse them to deceiue good Christian people in matter of saluation And if after so great vaunts of giuing full satisfaction to the Reader and of stopping his aduersaries mouth that he should not haue a word to reply he be not ashamed to put such bables as these into print he cannot choose but make himselfe a mocking-stocke to the world surely his writings are more meete to stop mustard-pots if I mistake not much then like to stop any meane Schollars mouth R. ABBOT HEre it may well be doubted whether M. Bishop were such a Doctor as to vnderstand himselfe because it should not seeme likely if hee had so done that hee would haue giuen such a brainlesse and stupide answere The first part thereof serueth to shew that when hee hath plaid the wise-man once he cannot be quiet vntill he haue done the like againe Of the shape of the argument I neede say no more then hath beene said of the former being of the same kinde and let him propound as he should that by the like it may be proued that the Church of England is not the Catholike Church and we acknowledge so much and doe take his argument as he hath set it downe The Church of England is only a member of the Catholike church but the Catholike church comprehendeth all wherâ—â—â—re to sâ—y the English Church is the Catholike Church is to say a member is the whole body Wee confesse it to be true and therefore we are not so absurd as to say that the Church of England is the Catholike Church wee affirme it to bee only a member and part thereof and may we not then thinke that this man hath made a doughty fray But beside the counterfait fashion of the argument there is saith he a great fallacy in it And how Marry first wee say not saith he that the Church of Rome but the Bishop of Rome is the head of the Church True it is M. Bishop that when yee compare togither the Church and the Bishop of Rome yee say that the Bishop of Rome is the head of the Church but is it not true also that when yee compare Church with Church yee say the Church of Rome is the head of all Churches Your Master a Bellarm. dâ— Rom. Pont. lib. 2. cap. 13. câ— Synod Nicen. 2. Act. 2. Capuâ— omâ—â—ium Ecclesâ— arum Deâ— Bellarmine hath cited this title as a matter of great moment out of the second Nicene Councel approuing the Epistle of Adrian where it is so called b Ibid. cap. 14. out of Sâ—ricius Innocentius Iohn the second Pelagius the second Gregory the Great Bishops of Rome out of c Ibid. cap 16. Prosper and Victor Vticensis and doe you come now with your slecuâ—lesâ—c tale and tell vs that you say not so The truth is that
you know not what to say because you see it sorteth absurdly whatsoeuer you say Well let vs omit this because M. Bishop is willing so the vpshot of his answere is that it is a fiule fault in arguing when one thing is said to be another by a metaphore to attribute all the properties of the metaphore to the other thing And this he handleth very grauely by example of Christs being called a Lyon whence notwithstanding hee saith it is not to bee argued that hee hath foure legges and therefore that M. Abbot must bee an vnreasonable creature who shifteth from that propriety of the metaphore Head which was to purpose vnto others that are cleane besides the purpose Now here a simple man who commonly admireth that most which hee vnderstandeth least imagineth that M. Bishop hath shewed himselfe a learned man and hath told a worthy tale when as that which hee hath said is as much to the matter as if hee had told vs in great sadnesse that a bird bolt hath no braines Vndoubtedly hee dreamed very strongly that I had said that the Church of Rome because it is the head must haue a nose in the middle of the face or because it is old must haue wrinckles in the browes or must haue long eares because it is become an Asses head If not who can take him for any other but a foure-legged creature that thus impertinently commeth in with a tale of foure legges What property of a head doe I speake of that he should say that I shift from that propriety which was to the purpose to others that are beside the purpose My wordes are these To speake by their rule the Roman Church is the head and all other Churches are membâ—rs vnto it I name no property of a head at all let it bee what it will or what they will haue it it shall bee all one to mee for in whatsoeuer respect they will make the Church of Rome the head of all Churches in the same respect they must make all other Churches the members and body to this head Let it bee that property of a head which he mentioneth and which I intended as meant by them that all other Churches are to bee directed and gouerned by the authority of the Church of Rome as the members of the body by the head accordingly my argument shall proceede that the Church of Rome by their learning is the head of all other Churches and all other Churches are as the members and body to this head but the Catholike Church comprehendeth all euen the whole both head and body To say then that the Roman Church is the Catholike Church is all one as if a man should say that the head is the whole body Who can speake hereof more clearely then I haue done and who can answere more absurdly then hee hath done And albeit hee haue thus egregiously played the foole and hath bewraied plainly that hee was here put to his trumps and knew not what to say yet to flourish and face the matter hee admirably vaunteth and insulteth vpon my insufficiency in â—rguing and telleth mee of being hissed oâ—t of the Schooles and making my selfe a mocking-stocke and that my writings are more meete to stoppe mustard-pots then likely to stoppe any meane Schollers mouth You say well M. Bishop You shall doe well to stoppe your mustard-pot with some part thereof that your mustard may bee kept quicke and strong to cleare your head for if it bee alwayes as dull as you haue shewed it here it may very well bee said that such a head hath but a little wit As for your mouth it may bee it will not bee stopped because you are sicke of Pisoes disease b Hieron ad Ocean Pisoniano vilio cum lâ—qui nesciret tacâ—re non potuit Who though hee knew not what to say yet could not hold his peace A man may well thinke that your mouth is not easily stopped who rather then you would say nothing would tell such a wise tale as you haue here done CHAP. II. The comparison betwixt the Donatists and the Papists is iustified and enlarged ANSWERE TO THE EPISTLE IT is therefore a meere Vsurpation whereby the Papists call the Roman Church the Catholike c. to There was reason why Austin should c. W. BISHOPS REPROOFE Pag. 95. §. 1. IN the former passage M. Abbot bestowed an argument or two raked out of the rotten rubbish of those walles to vse some of his owne wordes which were before broken downe by men of our side Now he commeth to his owne fresh inuention as I take it for it is a fardle of such beggarly base stuffe and so full of falshood and childish follies that any other man I weene would not for very shame haue let it passe to the print It consisteth in a comparison and great resemblance that is betweene the old doating Donatists and the new presumptuous Papists if M. Abbot dreame not The Donatists saith he held the Catholike Church to be at Cartenna and the Papists doe hold it to bee at Rome in Italie False on both sides because we doe not hold it to be so at Rome as they did at Cartenna for we hold it to be so at Rome as it is besides also dispersed all the world ouer they that it was wholly included within the straight bounds of Cartenna in Mauritania and her confines so that whosoeuer was conuerted in any other Countrey must goe thither Epistola 48. to bee purged from their sinnes as S. Augustine testifieth in expresse termes in the very place by M. Abbot allâ—aged False also in the principall point that the Donatists held the Catholike Church to bee at Cartenâ—â— for there dwelt only the Rogatists who were as Saint Augustine there speaketh Breâ—â—ssimum frustum dâ— frusto maiore A most small gobbet or fragment broken out of a greater peece that is to say a few Schismaticall fellowes fallen from the Donatists as the Puritans are from the Protestants or the Anabaptists from the Sacramentaries so that although men of that sect held the Catholike Church to be at Cartenna yet the maine body of the Donatists maintayned it not to bee there at all but held that congregation of Cartenna to bee wholly Schismaticall and no true member of the Catholike Church This first part then of the comparison is most vgly and monstrously false R. ABBOT IN this comparison betwixt the Donatists and the Papists I must confesse that I committed some little ouer-sight by vnderstanding that generally of the Donatists which belonged only to a part of them and thereby affirming that wholly of Cartenna in Mauritania which is to be referred to that which properly and particularly is called Africa I obserued the errour my selfe long since and meant in another edition if any should be to correct it and in the meane time to haue noted it in the Preface of my third part But now since it falleth out to be first noted by M. Bishop
interpretaris sed ex obseruatione omnium praeceptorum diuinorum omnium Sacramentorum for interpreting the word Catholike not of the communion of the whole world but fâ—r the obseruation of all Gods Commandements and all the Sacraments and in the other place bringeth them in saying that b Breuic collar cum Donatist diâ— 3. cap. 2. Donatistâ—e responderunt non Catholicum nomen ex vniuersitate gentium sed ex pâ—enitudine Sacramentoruâ—â— institutum the word was instituted not to import vniuersality of nations but fulnesse of Sacraments but did I amisse for a briefe hereof to name perfection of doctrine and Sacraments Is not fulnesse of Sacraments the same with perfection of Sacraments and when they professed the obseruation of all Gods Commandements did they not thereby pretend an obseruation both to teach and practise all that God had commanded and is there not perfection of doctrine in teaching all Or if M. Bishop be foolishly wilfull and will say still that he seeth not perfection of doctrine in those wordes yet he might haue seene it in the very next wordes to those that I alleaged where St. Austin expresseth the Donatists conceipt in other termes thus that c Idem Epist 48. Si sorte hinc sit appellata Catholica quod totum veraciter teneat the Church is called Catholike for that it holdeth all wholly what but the whole Christian faith according to truth for what is perfection of doctrine but the holding of all according to truth And whereas he saith that St. Austin obserueth the Donatists to bee more sharpe-witted then to goe about to proue vniuersality by perfection a very ridiculous iest because Austin only in mockery telleth Vincentius that hee seemed to himselfe in so expounding the world Catholike as before to speake very acutely and wittily meaning that he did nothing lesse let Gaudentius himselfe a Donatist and a chiefe man amongst them tell him that by Catholike they did meane perfect d Coliat 3. â—um Donatist cap. 102. Hoc est Catholicum nomen quod Sacramentis plâ—num est quod perfectum quod immaculatum The word Catholike importeth that which is full in Sacraments which is perfect which is vnspotted Now then as I haue in this point belyed the Donatists euen so and no otherwise in the application doe I belye the Roman Church M. Bishop saith that I should haue belyed them if I had sâ—id as due proportion required that they hold their Church to be Catholike as the Donatists did theirs for the perfection of doctrine and Sacraments But was he blinde and did he not see that I said so much Are not my wordes very expresse and cleare The same perfection of doctrine and Sacraments the Church of Rome now arrogateth to it selfe and will therefore be called the Catholike Church And what doe I therein belye the Roman Church Aske his owne fellow Bristow the great Motiue-Master who saith to Doctor Fulke e Reply to Fulke Chap. 10. Dem. 6. We tell you with the wordes of St. Austin that the Church our Mother is called Catholike of this because shee is vniuersally perfect and halteth in nothing though the Donatists and other like Heretikes doe neuer so much triumph in that interpretation and is spred ouer all the world Both interpretations agree to our Mother saith he and we claime them accordingly And it is true indeede that St. Austin in a worke which he wrote in his yonger time and which hee himselfe for the imperfection thereof f August Retract l. 1. c. 18. Quâ—m neque â—d deram abolere decreueram had purposed wholly to suppresse doth giue that double interpretation of the word Catholike that the Church is so called g IdeÌ„ de Gen. ad lit imperf cap. 1. Quae Catholica diâ—itur ex eo quòd vniuersalitèr perfecta est in nullo â—laudicat per totum orbem dissusa est not only fâ—r that it is spred ouer all the world but also for that it is vniuersally perfect and halteth in nothing but in his further experience and iudgement hauing speciall occasion to discusse and examine that point he leaueth that interpretation wholly to the Donatists and neuer vouchsafeth once to make mention of it In the meane time notwithstanding seeing Bristow a Catholike writer of their creation hath so affirmatiuely told vs and claimed it to the Church of Rome to be Catholike in that sense let it be considered with what discretion M. Bishop saith that so to say of them is manifestly vntrue and clearely against the doctrine of all Catholike writers And whereas he concludeth that perfection of doctrine and Sacraments though it be only found in the Catholike Church yet is so farre wide from the signification and vse of the word Catholike that none except such wise men as M. Abbot is doe thinke any thing to be Catholike because it is perfect to say nothing that St. Austin when he gâ—ue that construction was vndoubtedly as wise as M. Bishop let the same wise M. Bishop tell vs what he thinketh of Cyril of Hierusalem who amongst diuers reasons of the name of the Catholike Church giueth one that it is so called h Cyril Hierosol Catech. 18. Quia docet Catholicè hoc est vniuersalâ—tèr sine vllo defectâ— vel differentia omnia dogmata quae deberent veâ—re in cognitionem because it teacheth Catholikely that is vniuersally and without any defect or difference all doctrines that are to be knowen Yea let him tell vs what he thinketh of Pacianus whom he named before as his Authour for i Pacian ad Symphâ—â—ian Catholicus vt doctiâ—es pâ—tant obedientia omnium nuncupatur â—â—ndatorum scilicet Dei Catholike to be the surname to Christian who noteth it for the opinion of the learned that Catholike signifieth obedience to all the Commandements of God Which I say not as to approue that which either Austin or Cyril or Pacâ—anus haue said in that behalfe but that it may appeare what wise men M. Bishop maketh of the Fathers yea and of his owne fellowes when he list not â—lieking to crosse both the one and the other so that hee can thereby shift for the present to saue himselfe But Bristow is our witnesse as we haue seene that the Church of Rome doth call it selfe Catholike as the Donatists did for the perfection of doctrine and Sacraments and M. Bishop hath shewed himselfe scantly wise in the deniall of it because it being manifest to all that are not blinde that it is a meere foppery and cogging deuice of theirs to say that the Roman Church is spred ouer the whole world either he must proue the same to be Catholike by perfection of doctrine or else it must wholly leaue the name of the Catholike Church W. BISHOP §. 3. THe third particle of the resemblance is That from Cartenna the Donatists ordayned Bishops to other Countries euen to Rome it selfe And from Rome by the Papists order Bishops be
is properly theirs is of farre latter time and though they had beene then yet had beene persecuted only for that profession of Christ which is common both to vs and them The Donatists alleaged that p Aug. cont Epist GaudeÌ„t l. 2. c. 30. Per iustitiam non veraÌ„ sed vestram ad Imperatorum curam pertinere cause huiusmodi non deberent Emperours and Princes had nothing to doe in Church matters And q Idem Epist 48. Vos quibus crimen videtur de inimicis communionis nostra Christiono Imperatori aliquid conqâ—eri held it for a great fault in the Catholike Bishops to complaine to the Emperour of them r Optat. lib. 3. Quid est Imperatori cum Ecclesia What hath the Emperour to doe with the Church saith their Pope Donatus and so his followers Å¿ Aug. in psal 57. Quid nobis Regibus inquiunt Quid nobis Imperateribus What haue we to doe with Kings what haue Emperours to doe with vs for the teaching of the people of Israel t Idem cont Gaudent Epist l. 2. c. 26. Ad docenduÌ„ populum Israel omnipotens Deus Prophetis pr 〈…〉 ium dedit non Regibus imperauit Saluator ammarum Dominus Christus â—d insi 〈…〉 dam fidem piscatores non milites misit saith Gaudentius God gaue charge to Prophets and not to Kings and our Lord Christ the Sauiour of soules sent Fishermen not Souldiers for the planting of the faith thus vpbraiding the Emperours for condemning their Schisme and for vsing power and force of armes for repressing the infinite rage of their madde-brained Circumcellions Thus they say to Marcellinus the Tribune whom the Emperour had appointed to be Iudge in the conference at Carthage u Capit. gest collat Caâ—â—hag 3. c. 295. Si Christus non es cur de Sacerdâ—tibus iudicas Hoc iudicium Christo seruandum est If thou bee not Christ why doest thou iudge of Priests this iudgement must be reserued for Christ And another of them that x Aug. Epist 162. Non debuit Episcopus Proconsulari iudicio purgari a Bishop should not haue his purgation at a Lieutenants iudgement and therefore Donatus their Patriarch writeth contemptuously to Gregory one of the Emperours Officers y Optat. lib. 3. Adquem sic scribere minimè dubitauit Gregori macula Senatus dedecus Praefectorum caetera talia Gregory the blot of the Senate the disgrace of Lieutenants with other termes of the same kinde as Optatus hath reported Of the same humour are the Papists who make the Prince z Dist 96 Si Imperator Filius est non Praesul Ecclesia quod adreligionem coÌ„petit discere ei conuenit non docere c. Ad Sacerdotes Deê° voluit quae Ecclesiae disponenda sunt pertinere non ad seouli Potestates c. Imperatores Christiani subdere debâ—nt executiones suaâ— Ecclesiasticis Praesulibus non praeferre a sonne only and not a Gouernour of the Church who must learne and not teach what appertayneth to religion because God would haue Church matters to belong to Priests not to the secular powers and Christian Emperours are to submit their executions to the rulers of the Church Therefore they hold the Commissioners and Officers of Princes to bee incompetent Iudges in their causes they carry themselues contemptuously and despightfully towardes them they thinke it lawfull by equiuocations and mentall reseruations to abuse them because they will not acknowledge any subiection to them The Donatists a Aug. Epist 48. Multis adituÌ„ intrandi obserebaÌ„t rumores maledicoruÌ„ qui nescio quid aliud nos in Altare Deiponere iactirabaâ—t by false rumours discouraged and terrified men from comming to Church and amongst other thinges gaue out of the Catholike Bishops that some of them b Optat. l. 3. 7. Dicebatur venturos Pâ—ulum Macarium qui interessent Sacrificio vt cum Altaria solenitèr aptarentur profeâ—rent illic imaginem quam primò in Altare ponerent sic Sacrificium offerretur Hoc cùm acciperent aures percussi sunt animi c. vt omnis qui hoc audierat diceret Qui degustat de sacro gustat at the time of the celebration of the Sacrament did set an Image vpon the Altar or Communion table whereat the minds of men were greatly moued and euery one said He that tasteth thereof tasteth of a prophane thing so contrary was it holden to religion then which c Of Images sect 9. M. Bishop approueth now to set Images vpon the Altar But in this also the Papists are their followers who in the like sort deuise rumours and tales of our diuine Seruice and put strange conceipts thereof into the minds of men that without cause they may abhorre to haue any communion with vs. The Donatists alleaged their d August Epist 162. Prolata sunt à partibus vestris gesta quaedam quibuâ— recitatum est c. Temerarium Concilium quamlibet numerosissimum owne Councels assembled by their owne authority and managed wholly by themselues for defence of their cause both against the e IdeÌ„ in psal 57. Lectum est Concilium Bagaitanum vbi damnati sunt Maximianistae Et coÌ„t lit Petil. l 2. c. 43. Plenarij CoÌ„cilij vestâ—i ore damnasâ—is Maximinianists their owne Schismatikes against the Bishops and Pastors of the Catholike Church Euen so doe the Papists alleage against vs their owne partiall conuenticles wherein they themselues haue been both accusers witnesses and iudges and wherein none hath beene suffered to sit but only such as haue first been sworne solemnly to the Pope The Donatists f Aug. Epist 137. Non habendo in causa sua diuâ—sionis quod defendant non nisi hominuÌ„ crimina colligere affectant â—aipsa plura falsissimè iactant vt quia ipsam diuiâ—a Scripturae veritatem c. criminari obscurare non possunt homines per quos pradicatur adducaÌ„t in odâ—uÌ„ not knowing how sufficieÌ„tly to make good their cause and rent from the Church by argument and reason sought to make themselues the more plausible by deuising and publishing crimes and slanders against them who in the behalfe of the Church were aduersaries to them that men disliking the persons of men might consequently thinke the worse of the truth of God that was maintained and defended by them In the same steps the Papists walke with whom nothing is more common in all their bookes then to labour by strange odious imputations to blemish the names of Luther Caluin Beza and all other by whom the gospell of Christ hath beene specially defended yea generally of the Bishops and Ministers of our Church that bringing men into hatred and detestation of the men they may cause them to like the worse of the faith and religion which they did or doe teach g Collat. Cartag 3. c. 30. Dâ—natistâ—â— nos appellaÌ„dos esse credunt cum si nominum paternorum
Hymnis Psalmis canendis ipsius Domini Apostolorum habemus documenta praecepta exeÌ„pla De hac re tam vtili ad mouendum piè animuÌ„ accendendum diuinae lectionis affectum varia consuetudo est c. Donatista nos reprehenduÌ„t quòd sobriè psallamus in Ecclâ—sia diuina cantica ProphetaruÌ„ cum ipsi ebrietates suas ad canticum PsalmoruÌ„ humano ingenio compositorum quasi tubas exhortation is inslaÌ„ment Quando autem non est tempus cum in Ecclesia fratres congregantur Sancta cantandi nisi cum legitur aut disputatur aut antiâ—â—ites clara voce deprecantur aut communis oratio voce Diaconi indicitur singing Hymnes and Psalmes we haue lessons and examples and precepts of the Lord himselfe and his Apostles It is a thing profitable to stirre vp the minde to piety and to kindle deuotion and affection towards the lessons that are read from God Of the Donatists contrarywise he saith The Donatists reprehend vs for that we soberly sing in the Church the holy songs of the Prophets whereas they by singing of songs deuised by men as it were by trumpets of encouragement doe inflame and prouoke themselues to drinking vntill they be drunke Against this he saith When is it out of time when the brethren are gathered together in the Church to sing Psalmes but when there is reading or preaching of when the Ministers doe pray with loud voice or when by the voice of the Deacon warning is giuen of common prayer That the Donatists vsed those songs in the Church or before their Seruice and Sermons St. Austin saith not that is M. Bishops lye his wordes import that as their t August coÌ„t lit Petil. l. 1. c. 24. Mitto prophanas bacchationâ—s â—briâ—tâ—tuÌ„ drunken meetings and feastings which elsewhere he obiecteth to them they vsed such songs as the manner is of carnall prophane men at their meetings and merry-makings by vaine and wanton and lewd songs to cheare and sport themselues But out of St. Austins words it is easie to be gathered whether of vs in this behalfe are more like the Donatists either we that retaine the same religious custome of singing Psalmes which St. Austin commendeth and not he only but also Leo Bishop of Rome witnesseth that u Leo de collect ser 4. Psalmi Dauidici per vniuersalem Ecclesiam cum omni pietate cantantur the whole Catholike Church with all deuotion then vsed or the Papists who reproue vs for the same and haue wholly abandoned it both out of their Churches and houses and can better brooke to solace themselues with secular and prophane rimes and sonnets yea with filthy and vncleane ribawdries insomuch that some of their owne as touching their Seruice haue complained that x Cornel. Agrip de vanit scient cap. 18. Hodie cum Missa ipsius Canone obscâ—nâ— cantiunculae pares vices habènt obscene and filthy songs had their course and turne therein as well as the Canon of the Masse Very vnfortunately therefore hath M. Bishop entred into the retorting of this comparison nothing fitteth nothing serueth his turne his ball reboundeth vpon himselfe but neither in doctrine nor in manners can hee truly alleage any thing reproueable in the Donatists that can be fastened vppon vs. W. BISHOP §. 6. TO conclude this passage seing that M. Abbot went about to proue the Church of Rome to be like that of the Donatists by no one sound argument but by meere fabling and lying he must looke vnlesse he repent to haue his part with all lyars in the poole burning with Apocal. 21. v. 8. fire and brimstone And if it please the Reader to heare at what great square the Donatists were with the Church of Rome to which M. Abbot doth so often resemble them I will briefly shew it out of the best records of that time S. Augustine speaketh thus to the Donatist Petilian What hath the Church or Sea of Rome Lib. 2. cont Peâ—il cap. 51. done to thee in which Peter did sit and now sitteth Anastasius why doest thou cal the Apostolical chaire the chaire of pestilence See how friendly the Donatists saluted the Church of Rome stiling it the chaire of pestilence Optatus Bishop of Mileuitan saith thus Whence Lib. 2. cont Parmeni is it that you Donatists contend to vsurpe vnto you the keyes of the Kingdome and that you wage battaile against the chaire of Peter presumptuously and with sacrilegious audacity If they waged battaile against the Church of Rome so cruelly surely there was no agreement betweene them Wherefore as the Catholikes of Africa then so they that were taken into the communion of the Church of Rome cared little for the Donatists as witnesseth S. Augustine saying of Cecilianus Bishop of Carthage He neede not to care for the multitude August Epistola 162. of his conspiring enimies the Donatists when he saw himselfe by communicatory letters ioyned with the Roman Church in which alwaies the principality of the Apostolicall chaire flourished c. So we at this time neede as little to care for the bitter reproches and deceitfull arguments of the Protestants so we stand stable and firme in the like society of faith and religion with the same Church of Rome R. ABBOT I Wish M. Bishop to take heede lest the doome which he pronounceth vpon me be returned vpon himselfe by the sentence of the Gospell a Luke 19. 22. Out of thine owne mouth will I iudge thee thou euill seruant Mistake I did in a circumstance but lye I did not because b Mentiri est contra mentem ire to lye is to goe against a mans owne minde and knowledge which it is plaine I did not for that my errour was disaduantage to my selfe in that I alleaged the Papists to be like the Donatists only whereas by more perfect relation they are found to be like both Rogatists and Donatists But now to make the matter the more goodly for himselfe he for conclusion notably playeth the Skoggin and most grosly deludeth the simple Reader that hath not discretion to espie his fraude Forsooth he will shew at what great square the Donatists were with the Church of Rome But trouble not your selfe M. Bishop about that matter wee know it and will acknowledge it alwaies as farre as you only we desire to know what that maketh to the matter here in hand What because the Donatists in the time of Optatus and Austin were at great square with the Church of Rome doth it follow that there can be no cause now to compare the Papists to the Donatists When M. Bishop was clapt vp in prison at Rome there was great enmity betwixt the Seculars and Iesuits and doth it therefore follow that they are not friends now What is it M. Bishop but your legerdemaine to pretend a comparison made by me betwixt the Donatists and the Church of Rome that was of old when as my comparison concerneth only Romanists
and Papists that now are who are farre departed from that way wherein that Church of old did walke Why doe you in this case alleage to vs Optatus and Austin to disproue this resemblance as if they were able so long before hand to tell vs that the Papists now in the points alleaged are not like the Donatists The Donatists of old were at square with the Church of Rome for resisting their claime of the propriety of the Church neither doe we doubt but that if they were now in being the Church of Rome would be at square with them for challenging that to Africa which they hold properly to belong to Rome but this squaring on the one side or the other hindereth not but that Papists now in their kinde are like to Donatists in their kinde each tying the Catholike Church respectiuely to their owne place and faction wherein the condemning of the Donatists of old by the Church of Rome for so tying it to Africa is an instruction to vs to condemne the Papists now for doing the like to Rome But M. Bishops purpose of cosenage doth more liuely appeare in the first citation which he here bringeth out of Austin where purposely he omitteth a part of the sentence whereby the Reader should perceiue that it maketh nothing for his purpose To Pâ—tilian the Donatist condemning all Churches saue their owne he saith c Aug. cont lit Petil. l. â— c. 51. Cathedra tibi quid fecit Ecclesiae Romana in qua Petrus sedit in qua â—odiâ— Anastasius sedet vel Ecclesiae Hierâ—sâ—lymitana in qua Iacobus sedit in qua bodie Joannes sidet quibus nos in Catholica vnitate connectimur à quibus vâ—s nefariâ— furâ—re separastis Quare appellas Cathedram pestilentia Cathedram Apostolicam What hath the chaire of the Church of Rome done to thee wherein Peter sate and wherein at this day Anastasius sitteth or the chaire of the Church of Ierusalem wherein Iames sate and in which Iohn at this day sitteth to which we are ioyned in Catholike vnity and from which you haue seuered your selues by wicked fury Why doe you call the Apostolike chaire the chaire of pestilence Now what doe these wordes make more for the Church of Rome then for the Church of Ierusalem The Donatists were then at square with the Church of Ierusalem and yet that hindereth not M. Bishop will confesse but that the Church of Ierusalem may be now Schismaticall and the Donatists were then at square with the Church of Rome what is there here to hinder but that the Church of Rome may be now Schismaticall as the Donatists were then The Church of Ierusalem is by St. Austin termed an Apostolike chaire or Sea as all the Churches planted by the Apostles are by him stiled d Aug. Epist 162. Possent Apostolicarum Ecclesiarum iudiciâ— causam suam integraÌ„ reseruare Apostolike Churches as well as the Church of Rome The Church of Ierusalem M. Bishop will not deny both might be and hath beene since St. Austins time a chaire of pestilence And doth St. Austin say any thing there to let but that the Church of Rome also may be since become the chaire of pestilence though it were then the chaire of vnity and peace Yea what he saith here concerning the Churches of Rome and Ierusalem the same he saith elsewhere of other Churches also e Ibid. Quid tibi fecit 6 pars Donati quid tibi fecit Ecclesia Corinthiorum Quod autem de ista dicâ— de omnibus â—aâ—â—bus tam longè positiâ— intelligi vâ—lâ— quid vobis fecerunt c. O yee Donatists what what I say hath the Church of the Corinthians done to you What I say of it I would haue to be vnderstood of all such and as farre distant Churches what haue they done vnto you c. with all which the Donatists were at as great square as they were with the Church of Rome and yet M. Bishop will not yeeld to any of them any prorogatiue thereby But all mention of the Church of Ierusalem and the rest he thought it behouefull for him to suppresse because if he had set it downe he knew well that the Reader would easily see that in all this great shew hee had said nothing And by the premises it appeareth that he hath said as little in producing the wordes of Optatus for be it that the Donatists did then cruelly wage battell against the Church of Rome and there were no agreement betwixt them what is that to that that I say concerning the Church of Rome now what hindereth that I say still but that there may be now a iust resemblance betwixt the Papists and the Donatists His conclusion therefore is ridiculous that because Austin saith that Cecilianus needed not to care for the Donatists so long as he saw himselfe ioyned with the church of Rome therefore they neede not to care so long as they stand in the like society of faith and religion with the same Church of Rome For seeing the Church of Rome is not the same now that it was then as in the processe of this booke God willing shall plainly appeare there may be iust cause in many things now to forsake the communion of the church of Rome though it were piety and religion to hold it then But it is not to be omitted how falsly he dealeth here againe in alleaging the wordes of Austin as if he spake of being ioyned with the Church of Rome only whereas he nameth other Churches as well as the Church of Rome f Aug. Epist 162. Qui posset non curare conspirantem multitudinem inimicorum cùm se â—ideret Romanâ— Ecclesiae in qua semper Apostolicâ— Cathedâ—â— viguit principatus câ—teris terris vnde Euangelium ad ipsam Africam venit per communicateâ—â— as literas esse coniunctum He needed not care saith he for the conspiring multitude of his enemies when he saw himselfe ioyned by communicatory letters both to the Church of Rome where the principality or chiefty of the Apostolike chaire hath alwaies flourished and to other nations whence the Gospell came into Africa What is here more for the communion of the Church of Rome then for the communion of other Churches Why doth M. Bishop thus deceiptfully appropriate to one that which St. Austin maketh to concerne many Doe we finde it in St. Austins words which he pretendeth that it shall be alwaies an infallible rule of safety to hold communion with the Church of Rome He will say that there is there attributed a principality to the Church of Rome Be it so a principality of honour not of power as I haue g Chap. 1. §. 2. before made plaine by Austin himselfe but doth it follow that because the principality of the Apostolike chaire had flourished there till that time therefore it should be necessary or safe to communicate with that church for euer vntill the worlds end These are loose and
vnto the children of Israel and as it were confined within the limits of one land and countrey wherefore it could not be called Catholike and Vniuersall R. ABBOT MAster Bishop is fouly ouerseene to make it a question here what time it was that the Church beganne to be called Catholike it being sufficient to my purpose that the Church before the time of Christ albeit it were not then called Catholike yet was a part of that Church which hath beene so called since the time of Christ euen as the arme which comming first out of the wombe beareth not the name of the child and yet is a part of the child which is afterwards called by that name Therefore St. Austin diuiding mankinde into a Aug. in psal 61. Vna ciuitas vna ciuitas Babylonia vna Hierusalem vna Illa rege Diabolo ista rege Christo c. Illa incepit à Cain haec ab Abel two Cities the one vnder the Diuell as King thereof the other vnder Christ the one Babylon the other Ierusalem b Heb. 12. 22. the heauenly Ierusalem c Gal. 4. 26. Ierusalem which is aboue which is the Mother of vs all beginneth Ierusalem at Abel as he doth Babylon at Cain and maketh d Aug. in psal 86. Ciuis inde Propheta ciuis inde Apostolus the Prophets as well as the Apostles cittizens thereof and by another similitude calleth the Christian Church e Idem in psal 79. Quid est expectandii secundae vincae in mò eidem vineae ipsa est enim non enim altera est one and the same vineyard with the Church of the Iewes And if M. Bishop will not learne this of Austin let him learne it of Gregory Bishop of Rome saying that God f Gregor in Euang hom 19. Habet vineam vniuersalem scilicet Ecclesiam quae ab Abel â—usto vsque ad vltimum electum qui in fine mundi nasciturus est quot sanctos pretulit quasi tot palmitâ—s misit hath his vineyard euen the vniuersall Church which yeeldeth so many branches as it bringeth forth Saints from righteous Abel vnto the last Elect that shall be borne in the end of the world and againe that g Idem in Ezech hom 15. Vna est Ecclesia electorum praecedentium atque sequentium there is but one Church of the Elect both before and since the time of Christ Or if he be loth to turne so great a volume as Gregories workes let him looke into their owne Roman Catechisme where he shall finde that it is one cause why the Church is called h Catechism Roman part 1. cap. 10. sect 16. Praeterea omnes fideles qui ab Adam in hunc vsque diem suerant quiâ—e futuri sunt quamdiu mundus durabit veram fiâ—em profitentes ad eandem Ecclâ—siam pertinent Catholike because all the faithfull who haue beene from Adam till this day and shall be to the worlds end professing the true faith doe belong vnto it What hath M. Bishop beene so long a Doctor of Diuinity and yet doth he not know that the Catholike Church though it were not called Catholike till after the comming of Christ yet now is vnderstood to contayne all the faithfull from the beginning to the end Vndoubtedly he knew it well enough but my collection galled him and he saw there was no way but by cauilling to make shew to shift it of But if he did not let him haue wit to learne it now and let him take my words accordingly that as of the Catholike Church from the beginning to the end there is but one body euen as one Lord one God and Father of all so there is also but one spirit which quickneth that one body and i Ephes 4. 4. one faith whereby we are all partakers of that spirit both which the Apostle ioyneth togither when of the faithfull both of the old and new Testament he saith that they haue k 2. Cor. 4. 13. the same spirit of faith Of this one spirit Gregory saith that l Greg. in psal 5. Poenitent Sicut est vna anima quae diuersa corporis membra viuisicat ita totam simul EcclesiaÌ„ vnus spiritus sanctus vegetat illustrat as it is but one soule which quickneth the diuers members of the body so one holy spirit giueth life and light to the whole Church Whether we respect them that were before the incarnation of Christ or them that come after they both make but one body and therefore the holy Ghost as the soule is but one and the same to both So of faith Gregory telleth vs that m Gregor in Ezech. hom 16 â—adé sides â—pes charitas in antiquis patribus quae in nouis Doctoribus fuit in the old Fathers was the same faith hope and charity as in the new teachers namely the Apostles and the rest So likewise Leo Bishop of Rome saith that n Leo in Natluit Dom. ser 3. Fides qua viuimus nulla fuit aetate diuersa the faith whereby we liue was neuer different in any age but o IdeÌ„ de Pass Dom. serm 14. Vna fides iustificat vniuersoruÌ„ temporuÌ„ sanctos one faith saith he iustifieth the Saints of all times p Aug in Ioan. tract 45. Tempora variata sut non fides c. In diuersis signis eadem fides There is difference of the times saith Austin but not of the faith in diuersity of signes there is the same faith q Idem Epist 89. Sacramenta variata sunt vt alia essent in veteri Testamento alia in nouo cùm fides varia non sit sed vna sit The Sacraments are altered one sort in the old Testament other in the new whereas faith is not diuers but one still Now though the signes and Sacraments were diuers yet because there was the same faith and the same spirit therefore the effects of faith and of the spirit were the same so that what we receiue spiritually in Baptisme and the Lords Supper they also though in other Sacraments receiued the same so that they were spiritually baptized they did eate the flesh of Christ and drinke his bloud as well as we as was before intimated in my answere and M. Bishop giueth occasion to declare further in the next section Of the originall of the name Catholike and Catholikes I haue spoken before that that may suffice and though M. Bishop haue drawen it in it is impertinent here to stand vpon it W. BISHOP §. 2. ANd M. Abbot was greatly deceiued or else goeth about to deceiue others when for proofe of communicating with the Catholike Church hee recoileth backe vnto the beginning of the world Why did he not rather shew that their new Gospell flourished in all Countries assoone as the Christian faith was planted and that it hath continued in all ages since the Apostles dayes vntill our time that had beene to haue spoken directly to the purpose
from that imputation Well and what of that Marry Chrysostome and Hierome do argue saith he that euen so in the law of grace men infected with the soules leprosie are either to be bound and declared obstinate by the Priest if they will not repent or repenting and confessing the same are to be cleansed therefrom by the Priests absolution First Chrysostome in the place by him alleaged saith nothing either of confession or absolution but noting by occasion what grace is administred by Priests in baptisme that u Chrysost de Sacerdot lib. 3. Authores nobis sunt natiuitatis eius quam à Deo habemus c. atque adeò adoptionis eius qua nos per gratiam silij Dei sumus effecti Corporiâ— lepram purgare seu verius dicam haud purgare quidem sed purgatos probaâ—e Iudaeorum Sacerdotibus solis licebat c. At verò nostris Sacerdotibus non corporis lepram verum animae sordes non dico purgatas probare sed purgare prorsus concessum est they are as he speaketh authours of our new birth and of that adoption whereby we are made the sonnes of God he addeth further thereof thus Only the Priests of the Iewes might purge the leprosie of the body or so speake more truly not purge it but giue warrant of them that were purged but to our Priests it is granted I will not say to approue such as are purged but to purge not the leprosie of the body but the vncleannesse of the soule This the Priest doth sacramentally and ministerially in baptisme when he x Acts 2. 38. baptizeth in the name of the Lord Iesus Christ to the remission of sinnes and what is this to M. Bishops turne As little is there in the words of Hierome who saith that y Hieron in Mat. c. 16. Quomodo ibi Sacerdoâ— facit leprosum mundâ— vel immundum non quò Sacerdotes leprosos faciant immundos sed quò habeant notitiam leprosi vel non leprosi possint discernere qui mundus quiuè immundus fit sic hic alligat vel soluit Episcopus Presbyter noÌ„â—os qui insontes sunt vel nâ—xij sed pro â—fficio suo cum peccatorum audierit varietates scit qui ligandus sit qui soluendus as the Priest in Moses law did make the leaper cleane or vncleane not for that he did so indeede but only tooke notice who was a leaper and who was not and did discerne betwixt the cleanâ— and the vncleane so here the Bishop or Priest doth binde or loose not binde them which are innocent or loose the guilty but when according to his office he heareth the variety of sinnes he knoweth who is to be bound and who to be loosed We see here the office and duty of the Priest to discerne betwixt man and man to acquit the innocent to bind the guilty by the publike censure of the Church to decide who is to be holden for loosed with God who for bound all which belong to the outward and publike discipline and gouernement of the Church but as for auricular confession or priuate absolution and pâ—nance thereto appertayning there is not so much as one word spoken thereof It is plainly here to be seene why M. Bishop quoted the authours only but did not set downe their wordes because the Reader would haue discerned his folly that would set downe such impertinent stuffe nothing at all concerning the point in hand Yet he hopeth that he hath said that that may suffice for answere to my particulars whereas he hath brought no tollerable proofe or probability for any one particular and therefore leaueth vs to resolue that none of those points of religion by me mentioned were euer knowen to the old Fathers W. BISHOP §. 4. I Might easily adde how the Sacrifice of the body and bloud of Christ vnder the formes of bread and wine were both prefigured by Melchisedechs Host in bread and Genes 14. wine and fore-told by the Prophet Malachy and what a Malach. 1. liuely type Manna that Angelicall and delicate foode was of Christs body in the Sacrament And how the supreme authority of one headouer all the whole Church and that to belong to a Bishop and not to the lay Magistrate was not obscurely shadowed but liuely represented by the Soueraigne power that the high Priest of the old Testament had ouer all the rest To determine and end all doubts Deuter. 17. and controuersies arising about any hard point of the law As for consecrating of Priests and hallowing of Churches and Altars with all Vestiments and Ornaments thereunto appertaining and for the seuerall feasts and fasts there is so great resemblance betweene them and vs that Protestants commonly cry out against vs for the ouer great affinity that is betwixt the old law and our religion But as they are to be reproued of indiscreet zeale against the rites of Moyses law which were of God and good for the time and most of them figures and types of the law of grace according to that of the Apostle All 1. Cor. 10. things chanced to them in figure and were written for our correction and instruction so on the other side some strange defluxion and dâ—stillation of corrupt humours maruailously darkned M. Abbots sore eyes that he could not discerne nor find in the whole law of Moises any one shadow of that which we now practise May not these worthy words which S. Paul pronounced of the blinded Iewes in his time be verified of him Their senses 2. Cor. 3. were dulled vntill this day when Moyses is read a veile is put vpon their heart that is they reading and hearing the law of Moyses doe no more vnderstand it then doth a man hoodded or that hath a veile before his eyes see what is before him or else M. Abbot reading the old Testament could not choose but haue seene much of our religion and many articles of our faith there recorded And albeit we teach most mysteries of our faith to haue beene in the law of Moyses prefigured and foretold yet is it very absurd to say as M. Abbot doth that we beleeue no more articles of faith then they did for we were by the Sonne of God our blessed Sauiour giuen to vnderstand many high points of beliefe which were not reueiled vnto them as hath beene before declared R. ABBOT ANd I might as easily answere that the Popish Sacrifice of the body and bloud of Christ as they call it vnder the formes of bread and wine is an absurd nouelty neither prefigured by Melchizedecke nor fore-told by Malachy the Prophet nor euer knowen to any ancient Father of the Christian Church Strange it is that a reall propitiatory sacrifice of Christs body and bloud vnder the formes of bread and wine should bee deriued from Melchizedecke with whom we see no token or semblance thereof of whom it is not said that he offered bread and wine but only that
iust imputation of apostasie if to them we shall retire our selues from the religion of our fathers And see here how M. Bishop goeth a way quite contrary to St. Austin for St. Austin vsed the Scriptures to draw the Donatists to the example of their former fathers and M. Bishop vseth the example of our former fathers to draw vs away from the Scriptures But against all his vaine motiues we are setled by the charge giuen by God himselfe n Ezech. 20. 18 Walke yee not in the ordinances of your fathers neither obserue their manners nor defile your selues with their Idols I am the Lord your God Walke in my statutes and keepe my iudgements and doe them Gods statutes are the line and rule whereby he hath appointed vs to goe we respect not therefore what our fathers haue done but we looke to the statutes of God in the word of God to the example and teaching of Christ in the word of Christ there to learne how farre we may approue the doings of our fathers To doe otherwise is as the Prophet speaketh o Ierem. 2. 13. to forsake the fountaine of liuing waters which God hath shewed and to digge to our selues broken pits that will hold no water at least no other but puddle water For conclusion strange it is to see how impudently he peruerteth the wordes of Cyprian To returne to the originall of the Lords tradition is with Cyprian to leaue the example of our fathers and to looke to the Gospell what the Lord hath there deliuered but with M. Bishop it is to returne to our forefathers and in steede of the Gospell to learne of them what it is that Christ taught Cyprian saith We are not to regard what any man before vs hath thought fit to be done but what Christ did who was before all M. Bishop saith that we are to regard what our fathers before vs haue thought fit to be done that of them we may learne what Christ did who is before all Cyprian saith We are not to follow the custome of men but the truth of God M. Bishop saith we are to follow the custome of men that we may thereby come to the knowledge of the truth of God Thus very directly he crosseth Cyprian and yet will be very angry if we say that he speaketh any otherwise then Cyprian doth W. BISHOP §. 2. NOw to that point which followeth in M. Abbot There shall be a time when the Kings of the Apocal. 17. earth shall giue their power to the beast and bend themselues to fight against the Lambe which I doe willingly admit but when that time shall be or what Kings it is very vncertaine for there shall be also a time When the Kings of the earth shall be as nurses to Esay 60. Psalm 72. the true Church and shall most humbly both obey it and also enrich and defend it to the vttermost of their power Now by the very insinuation of the Text and the vniforme consent of ancient writers the good Kings shall cherish exalt and magnifie the Church before those euill Kings shall arise who falling away from their fathers faith and from the Catholike Church will lend their aide to her professed enemies to worke her ouerthrow which is a shrewd presumption that the Kings of former ages stoode farre better affected to the true Church of God then some of later times Well this I leaue to vnderstanding mens iudgement But I may not slippe M. Abbots exceeding grosse ouer-sight or rather hainous crime in ranking his Maiesty among those Kings mentioned in the Apocalypse for albeit they shall hate Cap. 17. the whoore and make her desolate and naked and eate her flesh c. yet they shall be most wicked and impious Kings and shall adore the monstruous beast there described and fight against Christ Iesus These be the very wordes of the Text And the ten hornes c. be ten Kings c. these haue one counsell and force and their power they shall deliuer to the beast these shall fight with the Lambe and the Lambe shall ouerthrow them c. And the ten hornes which Vers 16. thou sawest in the beast these shall hate the harlot and make her desolate and naked c. so that the very same ten Kings signified there by ten hornes that did giue all their power to the beast did hate the harlot But how can it be saith one that they who hate the wicked harlot should ioyne with the beast who was as wicked as shee Yes that may well be for it is no newes that wicked men fall out among themselues so that one vngodly and wicked Prince doth sometimes with all his might aide another more wicked then himselfe and at the same instant perhaps or shortly after fight against a third the most wicked of all they doe fight against both good and euill as their owne rage passions or occasions carry them Which I say to stoppe a starting hole of the Protestants who to auoide this inconuenience say that first these ten Kings were bent to all mischiefe and then helped the beast against the Lambe but afterward repented them of their former iniquity then loe they hated the harlot and persecuted her which they would not haue done if they had beene badde Princes this is a prety shift Well say first that this sense could stand with the wordes of the text yet they cannot be applyed to his Maiesty who was not in his former time any â—ider of our religion and now is fallen of from that to the Protestants wherefore this deuice if it could stand with the text will not serue their turne But the spirit of God hath preuented and wholly cut off this vaine imagination for it saith in the next verse That the ten Kings who hated the harlot euen then and after too gaue their Kingdomes to the beast till the word of God be consummate that is till the end of all Wherefore most manifest it is euen by the warrant of Gods sacred word that those Kings mentioned in the Apocalypse were reprobates such did they liue and such shall they die Let then his most excellent Maiesty censure what reward they are worthy off who feare not to thrust his Highnesse into that list of condemned cast-a-waies and that too after they had such faire warning as in my answere to M. Perkins I gaue them to beware how they did his Maiesty that shame and despite If it please his Highnesse to take notice of it I doubt not but that he will conne them little thanke for this their commendation of him R. ABBOT IT hath beene already very gloriously fulfilled which God promised vnto his Church a Esay 49. 23. Kings shall â—e thy nursing fathers and Queenes shall be thy nourses c. The great states of the world the Emperours and Kings and Princes Constantine Theodosius Valentinian Honorius Lucius of Britaine Theodebert and Theodelind of France Reccaredus of Spaine and infinite other of the
Christ her Lord and head and most entire in the faith and doctrine which shee had receiued from him Of this flourishing and best estate we must consider in the next Chapter and therefore I cease here to speake any further thereof CHAP. VII Of the flourishing and best estate of the Church of Rome and of the testimony of Theodoret concerning the fulnesse of doctrine contained in the Epistle to the Romans and that the Apostle there condemneth Popery of Idolatry in worshipping of Saints and Images ANSWERE TO THE EPISTLE VVE hope you vvill not deny but the Apostle S. Paul vvas one principall pillar c. to Chap. 8. Paul saith and vve say the same that c. W. BISHOP §. 1. WHat a worthy graue Preface he vseth to assure men that we will not deny S. Paul nor his Epistle to the Romans which neuer were called in doubt by any man But good Sir whiles you muse and busie your head so much vpon bables you forget or wilfully mistake the very point of the question Was the Church of Rome at her most flourishing estate when S. Paul wrote that Epistle to the Romans was her faith then most renovvmed ouer all the vvorld as you write nothing lesse for not the ten thousand part of that most populous Citty was then conuerted to the faith and they that had receiued the Christian faith were very nouices in it and stoode in great neede of the Apostles diuine instructions Any reasonable man would rather iudge that the Church of Rome then came first to her most flourishing estate when Idolatry and all kinde of superstition was put to silence and banished out of her when the Christian religion was publikely preached and conntenanced by the Emperours authority which was not before the reigne of Constantine the Great our most glorious countrey-man wherefore M. Abbots first fault is that he shooteth farre wide from the marke which he should haue aimed at principally The second is more nice yet in one that would seeme so acute not to be excused It is that he taketh an Epistle written to the Romans for their instruction and correction as if it were a declaration and profession of their faith when as all men know such a letter might containe many things which they had not heard off before Further yet that you may see how nothing can passe his fingers without some legerdemaine marke how he englisheth Theodorets wordes Dogmatum pertractationem The handling of opinions is by him translated all points of doctrine whereas it rather signifieth some then all opinions or lessons But I will let these ouer-sights passe as flea-bitings and follow him whither he pleaseth to wander that euery man may see when he is permitted to say what he liketh best that in truth he can alleage out of S. Paul nothing of moment against the Catholike faith R. ABBOT WEe see here what great cause there was that his Maiesty should adde the wordes now spoken off And from Christ her Lord and head because it might be doubted what construction they or any other might make of the flourishing and best estate of the Church of Rome I say that St. Paul wrote his Epistle to that Church when the faith thereof was most renowmed through the world This M. Bishop denieth and will not haue that to be taken for the flourishing and best estate of the Roman Church And why First not the ten thousand part of that most populous Citty was then conuerted to the faith and secondly they who had then receiued the Christian faith were very nouices in it and stoode in great neede of the Apostles diuine instructions So then he will haue vs to vnderstand that then was the flourishing and best estate of the Church of Rome when there were in it the greatest number of Christians and they were so perfect in the faith as that they needed not the Apostles diuine instructions But when was that Not before the reigne of Constantine the Great saith he Well and was it then Nay he saith not so and we may well thinke that he knoweth not well when or what to say Certaine it is that Paganisme abounded in Rome after the time of Constantine who indeede for his time by lawes restrained the publike exercise thereof but yet a Relat. Symmach apud Ambros lib. 5. Epist 30 Diui ConstaÌ„tij factum diu non sletit that act of his saith Symmachus did not long stand good the people returning to their old superstitions and sacrifices vntill that by Theodosius and Gratian the Emperours of Rome they were repressed againe Which lawes of theirs Symmachus the Lieutenant of the city moued the next Emperour Valentinian in his owne name and in the name of the City and Senate of Rome to haue againe repealed who b Symmach vt supra Senatus me querelaruÌ„ suarum iussit esse I egatum c. Vt Praefectus vâ—ster gesta publica prosequor vt Legatus ciuium mandata commendo though he pretended a farre greater number of Senatours to ioyne with him then did as Ambrose sheweth yet cannot be doubted to haue had a great number also partakers with him beside the common multitude of the City whose affection how it stood we may gather by that that Hierome saith not much distant from that time that c Hieron in Esai lib. 16. c. 57. â—psaque Roma orbiâ— Domina in singulis insulis domibusque Tutela simulachrum cereis venerans ac lucernis quam ad tuitionem aedium isto appellant nomine Rome in euery house did with tapers and candles worship the image of Tutela whom they so called for the tuition and defence of their houses though elsewhere he testifie that d IdeÌ„ ad Marcel vt commigret Bethlehem Est ibi sancta Ecclesia c. gentilitate calcata in sublime se quotidiè erigens vocabulum Christianum Paganisme was decaying and the name of Christians arising and growing higher and higher from day to day But if it were yet growing then it was not at full growth and therefore when will M. Bishop say was the most flourishing and best time of the Church there Againe we desire to know of him when the time was that the Church of Rome stoode in no neede of the Apostles diuine instructions May we thinke M. Bishop that euer there was any such time Surely we know now what the cause is why the Apostles diuine instructions are so little set by at Rome They serued the Romans forsooth at first when they were but nouices in the faith but now they are growen ripe and haue no neede to be taught by him May we not thinke him a wise man that thus telleth vs that the Romans then stoode in neede of the Apostles diuine instructions as if there were any time since that they had not the like neede But I would aske him how it appeareth to him that the Romans were then but nouices in the faith The reason which his wordes imply is because
the Apostle wrote that Epistle to them But so did he write two Epistles to the Corinthians of whom notwithstanding he saith that e 1. Cor. 1. 5. in all things they were made rich in Christ in all kinde of speech and in all knowledge So did he to the Ephesians f Acts 20. 27. from whom he kept nothing backe but had shewed them all the counsell of God Yea and of the Romans the Apostle in that Epistle saith g Rom. 15. 14. I am perswaded of you that yee are filled with all knowledge and are able to admonish one another Neuerthelesse I haue somewhat boldly after a sort written vnto you as one that putteth you in remembrance It should seeme then that they were not nouices in the faith but fully instructed in all points and that the end of the Apostles Epistle was only to keepe the remembrance of those things which they had beene before taught Of that time Tertullian saith that h Tertul. de Praescript Foelix Ecclesia cui totam doctrinam Apostoli cum suo sanguine prosuderunt the Apostles Peter and Paul together with their bloud poured forth their whole doctrine all that they taught to that Church and shall wee thinke that when the Apostles deliuered all their doctrine to that Church that Church did not receiue and learne the same Of that time we haue a more sure and vndoubted testimony then we can haue of times following that i Rom. 1. 8. their faith was renowmed throughout the whole world That therefore doe we hold to be the best state of the Roman Church and the most flourishing because we measure not the flourishing of it by number of professours or by glory of outward state but by integrity of doctrine and truth of faith Neuerthelesse because flourishing may seeme to import a reference to that outward liberty and exaltation which that Church as the rest receiued by the reigne of Constantine and enioyed vnder other Christian Emperours after him therefore his Maiesty with great caution and aduisednesse added the other wordes spoken of before to signifie that we are so to respect her in that flourishing estate as that alwaies for more assurance we haue respect to that that shee was at the first immediately from the Apostles and from Christ her Lord and head the liuely picture and description whereof is set forth vnto vs in the Epistle to the Romans Here M. Bishop though he haue not yet proued any first fault yet taketh vpon him to note a second that I take an Epistle written to the Romans for their instruction and correction as if it were a declaration and profession of their faith Where the Reader seeth that saue only I say the Apostle in that Epistle wrote at large I say nothing thereof my selfe but report only what Theodoret saith who if he had affirmed that the Apostle in that Epistle did set downe a declaration of the faith which the Romans then professed had said nothing amisse the care of the Apostle therein being both to confirme them in the faith which they had receiued and to testifie to posterity what that faith was All men know saith M. Bishop that such a letter might containe many things which they had not heard off before But we question not what such a letter might containe that is an idle and dreaming supposall of his but the point is what we are to thinke that Epistle doth containe This I declared by the wordes of Theodoret who giuing a reason why the Epistle to the Romans though written after diuers other yet was put in the first place alleageth this to be it k Theodoret. Praefat. Epist Pauli Epistolam ad Romanos praeposuerunt vt quae in se omnis generis doctrinam accuratam copiosamque dogmatum pertractationem for that it containeth doctrine of all sorts or all kinde of doctrine and very exact and plentifull handling of the points of faith This place dazeled his eyes he stood astonished at it and knew not which way to shift He grew therefore to a desperate resolution â—lectere si nequeam superos Acheronta mouebo Sith God and truth doe vs forgoe I will trie the diuell what he can doe My wordes in my answere speaking of St. Paul writing to the Church of Rome stand thus He wrote at large comprehending therein as Theodoret saith Omnis generis doctrinam accuratam copiosamque dogmatum pertractationem Doctrine of all sorts or all kinde of doctrine and very exact and plentifull handling of the points thereof He in transcribing my text setteth it downe thus comprehending therein as Theodoret saith doctrine of all sorts or all kinde of doctrine Eâ— accuratam copiosamque dogmatum pertractationem An exact and plentifull handling of all points thereof Where note how he purposely leaueth out the Latin wordes Omnis generis doctrinam and whereas in Englishing Dogmatum pertractationem I say the points thereof he in steede of the points saith all points thereof From this latter he frameth his miserable answere which is only an accusation of me for legerdemaine in the Englishing of Theodorets words And why Dogmatum pertractationem The handling of opinions saith he is by him translated all points of doctrine whereas it rather signifieth some then all opinions or lessons Thus he ouerslippeth the words that carry weight and force to the point in question and to colour this that the Reader may not espy it hee busieth him the while with an opinion of my false translation whereas the false translation is none of mine but by himselfe very lewdly foisted in But the Beare though thus broken loose must be brought to the stake againe Remember M. Bishop what I told you and answere vs directly to it Theodoret saith that the Epistle to the Romans containeth Omnis generis doctrinam All kinde of doctrine and doth not say it once only but saith it againe that l Idem Praefat Epist ad Rom. Variam quidem omnis generis doctrinam per haec scripta exhibet Apostolus the Apostle therein deliuereth manifold and not only manifold but all kinde of doctrine Now if all kinde of doctrine that concerneth the Christian faith be contained in the Epistle to the Romans then Popery is not the true Christian faith which teacheth so many points of doctrine whereof nothing is contained in the Epistle to the Romans Nay it doth not only say nothing for Popery but it also saith against it and instructeth vs to call that apostasie and heresie which they falsly call the Catholike faith Whether any thing be there to be found of moment to that purpose we shall see in that that followeth W. BISHOP §. 2. SAint Paul saith he is vvholly against you and for vs. Quickly said but will not be so soone proued First he condemneth the vvorshipping of Saints and Saints Images in that he reproueth the Heathens for changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the Image of a
corruptible man O noble disputer and well worthy the whippe because we may not make false Gods or giue the glory of God vnto Idols may we not therefore yeeld vnto Saints their due worship might not S. Paul whiles he liued as all other most godly men be reuerenced and worshipped for their most excellent spirituall and religious vertues with a kinde of holy and religious respect euen as Knights and Lordes and other worldly men are worshipped and honored for their temporall callings and endowments with temporall worship without robbing God of his honour Is the Lord or Master dishonoured and spoiled of his due reuerence and respect if his seruants for his sake be much made off and respected yet with such due regard only as is meete for their degree This is so childish and palpable that if the Protestants were not resolued to sticke obstinately to their errours how grosse soeuer they be they would for very shame not once more name it R. ABBOT O Noble disputer saith hee and worthy the whippe Whereby he putteth me in minde that he hath before returned it vpon me to be one of the Kings horses and indeede Salomon saith that a Prou. 26. 3. to a horse belongeth a whippe but he addeth further that to an Asse belongeth a bridle and a rodde to the fooles backe I say in my answere that the Apostle to the Romans condemneth b Rom. 1. 23. the changing of the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the image of a corruptible man and c Vers 25. the worshipping of the creature insteede of the Creatour I noted that the Apostle herein condemneth the Church of Rome which by her schoole-tricks teacheth men to worship God in the image of a man and by religious deuotions of prayers and offerings to worship Saints and Saints images in steede of God Where thou maiest see gentle Reader that as I cite the Apostles wordes double so I make a double application thereof Where hee condemneth the Heathens for changing the glory of God into the similitude of the image of a corruptible man I say it maketh against the Papists doing the like in teaching men to represent and worship God in the similitude and likenesse of a man Where he noteth it for sinne in the Heathens that they worshipped the creature in steede of the Creatour I say it condemneth the Papists who worship Saints and Saints Images in steed of God But M. Bishop playing the part of Danus to set all out of order taketh the former part of the Apostles wordes and putteth them to the latter part of my application making me to say thus First he condemneth the worshipping of Saints and Saints images in that he reproueth the Heathens for changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the image of a corruptible man Thus he slippeth by a maine point of idolatry condemned in the Pagans and yet defended and practised by the Papists as if his heart failed him and he saw no way to salue their abuse against the words of the Apostle The Apostle giueth to vnderstand that by the ancient doctrine of the Church of Rome it was accounted an abhominable wickednesse and an abusing of the Maiesty of God to transforme him into the image of man The Church of Rome therefore now transforming God in that sort and setting him forth to be worshipped in the image of an old man doth that which was holden abhominable in the ancient Church of Rome What hath M. Bishop here to answere or what will he say Will he tell vs that the Heathens were to blame for that they were false Gods whom they represented in this sort But that the Apostle excludeth in that he noteth this as a dishonour done d Rom. 1. 19. 20. 21. 23. to the incorruptible God whom they knew by the creation of the world whom they should haue glorified and were punished for that knowing God they did not glorifie him as God but turned the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the image of a corruptible man e Hieron in Rom. 1. Dicentes se esse sapientes quasi qui inuenissent quomodo inuisibilis Deus per simulachrum visibile coleretur calling themselues wise as Hierome saith for that they had deuised how the inuisible God might be worshipped by a visible image euen as M. Bishops wisedome hath done who though he hold f Of Images sect 7. that no image is to be made as to represent God to the quicke and as in himselfe he is yet resolueth that we may picture God and resemble him in such image as he hath appeared or in some similitude represent him by some actions or properties whereby to leade our vnderstanding to the better knowledge of him whereas the ancient true religion doth teach vs that God g Origen coÌ„t Cels l. 3. Communis sensus cogitare nos iubet non delectari Deum hoc honore imaginum quae â—ffigiem eius aut significationé repraesentent aliquam is not pleased with the honour of images which represent either shape or any signification of him or h Ibid. lib. 7. Quis sanae mentâ— noÌ„ rideat cum qui. c. Per statuarum contemplationem tanquam signi alicuius conspicui conatur animu â—rigere ad imaginationem intelligibilis numinis whereby to lift vp our minds to the cogitation of him Will he say that the errour of the Gentils was in this that they tooke the very images to be Gods But against this we must obserue that the Apostle there speaketh of them who tooke themselues to be wise euen the Philosophers and learned men who scorned to be taken for such idiots as to imagine a dead blocke to bee a God i Origen coÌ„t Cels l. 7. Quis alius nisi sit totâ—s fatâ—us haec deos credit non dijs dicatas statâ—as Who but very fooles saith Celsus take these to be Gods and not images dedicated to the Gods k August in Psal 113. Dicunt Nec simulacbrum nec dâ—monium colo sed per corporale effigiâ—m eius rei signum intueor quaÌ„ colere debâ—o I neither worship the image nor the diuell saith another but by the bodily shape I behold the signe or token of that which I ought to worship They hold them to be as it were l Athanas coÌ„t Idola Simulachra pro elemâ—ntis literarum humano generi esse quae dum legunt Dei notitianâ— condiscere possiat Alphabeticall letters which men might reade thereby to learne the knowledge of God and that m Arnob. cont Gentes lib. 5. Dicere quî conuenit ad incutiendaâ— forâ—idmes vulgo deorum 〈…〉 a simulacâ—ra they were appointed to terrifie the vulgar sort M. Bishop hath no thing to except against it but that Pagans and Papists are both alike and both condemned by the ancient Roman Church for changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude
R. ABBOT HEre is nothing said but what hath beene a Of Merits sect 10. 19. 20. already so fully and clearely answered as that M. Bishop may iustly be ashamed thus altogether like a Cuckow to sing ouer the same song againe I pray thee gentle Reader to see the places by me quoted and take knowledge how this trifling wrangler laboureth to abuse thee odiously and impudently insisting vpon those things which by testimonies of Scriptures and Fathers are made so manifest against him as that he hath nothing left to say for his owne defence He chargeth me with false translation because I say that our sufferings are not worthy of the glory that shall be reueiled whereas he saith the wordes truly translated are Our sufferings are not worthy to the glory And what is that I pray Our English phrase is saith he they are not to be compared to the glory Well admit it to be so but wherein doth he meane they are not to be compared Forsooth our labours or paines are not either so great and waighty or of so long endurance as be the ioyes of heauen Thus whereas he acknowledgeth that the word signifieth worthy he notwithstanding quite putteth out worthinesse and in steede thereof putteth in length and greatnesse But if where the wordes are they are not worthy to the glory he will needes reade they are not to be compared to the glory we suppose that his discretion should leade him to vnderstand that it is as touching worthinesse that they are not to be compared And doth not their owne translation instruct him so much The passions of this time are not condigne to the glory for what will he make of condigne but comparable in worth where there is as Coster saith b Coster Enchirid cap. 7. Est dignitas quaedam operis ad mercedem a dignity of the worke to the reward that is a worthinesse of the one to merit and deserue the other Which condignity being denyed by the Apostle as by their owne translation is made good it followeth that the passions of this time are denied to be comparable in worth to the glory to come and therefore that we truly translate that they are not worthy of it To adde nothing further to that that formerly hath beene said particularly of the place I will only note in generall what some writers of the Church of Rome haue iudged concerning the worthinesse of workes that according to my maine purpose I may make it appeare that there is great difference betwixt that Roman Church that now is and that that of old was Hierome saith that c Hieron in Esai lib. 6. c. 13. Cum dies iudicij vel dormitionis aduenerit omnes manus dissoluentur c quia nullum opus dignum Dei iustiâ—â—a reperietur non iust 〈…〉 abitur in eius conspectu omnis â—iuens vâ—de Propheta dicâ—â— in Psalmo si 〈…〉 ui taâ—es attendâ—s Domine quis 〈…〉 bit when the day of iudgement or death shall come all hands shall be weakened or loosed because there shall be no worke found worthy of the iustice of God neither shall any man liuing be iustified or found righteous in his sight whence the Prophet saith in the Psalme If thou O Lord wilt marke iniquities who shall endure it To like purpose Leo Bishop of Rome saith d Leo in Anniuers serm 1. Nâ—que enim de qualitate operum nostâ—orum pâ—ndâ—t coelestium mensura donorum aut in iâ—â—o seculo in quo tota vita â—etatio est hoc vmcâ—â—que retribuitur quod meretur vbi si iniquitates Doâ—â—â—aus observaret nullus iudâ—cium suum su 〈…〉 t. The measure of heauenly gifts dependeth not vpon the quality of our workes neither in this world where our whole life is a temptation is that rendered to euery man which he deserueth where if the Lord should marke iniquities none should be able to endure his iudgement Both which places doe plainly disable the workes of men in the iudgement of God and doe charge them with insufficiency to the meriting of heauenly reward but the latter so farre depresseth them as that we cannot be taken thereby to deserue or to be worthy of the benefits of God in this life and therefore much lesse the glory of the life to come But Gregory Bishop of Rome in this point is most cleare affirming that e Gregor Moral l. 8. c 9. Iusti sâ— peâ—â—turos abâ—que 〈…〉 tate praesâ—â—int si remoâ—a pâ—etate 〈◊〉 quia hoc ipsum quod iusâ—â— vidomur viuere culpo est si vitam nostram cum iâ—dicat hâ—â—c apud â—â— dâ—â—ina miserâ—cordia non excusat c. Apud eum districâ—è iudicaâ—i â—psi quoque mâ—culâ—s â—nquâ—nationis habent qui per munditiam sanctitatis lucent the iust know before hand that without doubt they shall perish if they be iudged without mercy because euen that that we seeme to liue iustly is faulty if the mercy of God in iudging our life doe not excuse the same and euen they who shine in purity of holinesse â—â—ue also their spots of filthinesse if they be strictly and narrowly iudged f Ibid. c. 21. Quantalibet i 〈…〉 tia polleant nequaquâ—â— sibi ad â—â—â—oc etiam vel electi sâ—fficiuâ—t si in iudicio districte requiraÌ„tur The very elect saith he howsoeuer they excell in righteousnesse haue not sufficient in them for innocency if in iudgement they be strictly dealt withall Therefore he saith againe that g Ibid. l 9. c. 18. Si râ—mola piâ—tate d 〈…〉 mur opus nostruÌ„ pâ—na dignum est quod nos remunerarâ— prâ—stolamur c. Râ—slat vt postquam bonum opus agitur lachâ—ymae expiatumis exquirantur quatenus ad aeterna praemia meritum rectiopâ—ris subuchat humilitas posâ—â—e lationis if we be iudged without mercy the worke is worthy to be punished which we expect to haue rewarded and therefore that teares of expiation are to be required that humility of prayer may lift vp the merit of good worke to the obtaining of euerlasting reward And thus he maketh the holy man Iob to say h Ibid. l. 9. c. 11. Etsi ad opus virtutis exâ—reuero ad vitam non ex meritis sed ex venia conualesco Albeit I grow to the worke of vertue yet I auaile not to liâ—e by merits but by pardon and fauour So he bringeth in Dauid also saying i IdeÌ„ in psalm Poenitent 1. Non de meis meritis confidens vt me saluum facias supplico sed de sola miserecordia tua praesumâ—ns impetrere quod de meis meritis non spero I pray thee to saue me not trusting to mine owne merits but presuming to obtaine that of thy mercy only which I haue no hope of by mine owne merits Now if our iust life be faulty and in our righteousnesse we finde not sufficient to approue our innocency in the sight of God if in our best workes we be worthy of punishment
the body of our Lord Moreouer he speaketh of the Church of Rome being then but in her cradle most honourably saying Your faith is Rom. 1. vers 8. renowmed in the whole world and after Your obedience Rom. 16. ver 19. is published into euery place But no maruaile to the wise though he did not then make mention of her Supremacie for that did not belong to the Church or people of Rome but to S. Peter who when S. Paul wrote that Epistle was scarse well setled there neither did that appertaine to the matter he treated of R. ABBOT NOw to the Masse sâ—ith M. Bishop but there is no wise man that readeth what he hath here written but would thinke that hee had done much more wisely to keepe him from the Masse I cannot tell whether more to pitty his folly or to detest his wilfulnesse See with what a graue preface he entreth to a most ridiculous and childish proofe The same profound diuine St. Austin with other holy Fathers who were not wont so lightly to skimme ouer the Scriptures as our late new Masters doe but seriously searched them and most deeply pierced into them did also finde all the parts of the Masse touched by the Apostle St. Paul in these wordes I desire that obsecrations prayers postulations thanks-giuings be made for all men This phrase of skimming ouer the Scriptures he learned of his Masters of Rhemes who vpon those words of St. Paul alleaging by that place of Austin and some other Fathers that all those kinds of prayers were publikely vsed in the Lyturgie of the Church conclude thus a Rhem. Testam Annot. 1. Tim. 2. 1. So exactly doth the practise of the Church agree with the precepts of the Apostle and the Scriptures and so profoundly doe the holy Fathers seeke out the proper sense of the Scriptures which our Protestants doe so prophanely popularly and lightly skimme ouer that they can neither see nor endure the truth So then it seemeth we must diue very deepe to finde the Masse in the Scriptures but wee are in doubt that they which goe about to diue so deepe will certainly bee drowned and neuer finde that that they seeke for And tell vs in good sooth M. Bishop did St. Austin in your opinion finde in those wordes all the parts of your Masse Nay did he finde that at all to which the name of the Masse is by you properly referred You hold the Masse to be a proper reall sacrifice of the very naturall body and bloud of Christ offered to God for propitiation of the sinnes both of quicke and dead and doth St. Austin speake any thing to that effect or could he finde all the parts of the Masse without finding this Yea that the impudency of him and his Rhemish Masters may the better appeare doth St. Austin say any thing there but what properly belongeth to our Communion and not to their Masse Thou shalt vnderstand good Reader that Paulinus wrote to Austin to be instructed by him of the difference of those sorts of prayers which St. Paul commendeth to Timothy in the wordes aforesaid St. Austin answereth him that b Aug. Epist 59. Illa planè difficillimè discernuntur c. Aliqua singulorum istorum proprietas inquirenda est sed ad â—a liquidò peruenire difficile est Multa quippe hinc dici possunt quae improbandâ— non sint sed eligo in his verbis hoc intelligere quod omnis vel penè omnis frequentat Ecclesia vt precationes accipiamus dictas quas facimus in celebratione Sacramentorum antequam illud quod est in Domini mensa incipiat benedici orationes cum benedicitur sanctificatur ad distribuendum coÌ„minuitur quam totam petitionem ferè omnis Ecclesia Dominica oratione coÌ„cludit Interpellationes siue postulationes fiunt cum populus benedicitur Tunc enim antistites velut aduocati susceptos suos per manus impositionem miserecordissimae offerunt potestati Quibus peractis participato tanto Sacramento gratiarum actio câ—ncta concludit they are very hardly discerned that there is some propriety of euery of them to be enquired of but very hard it is certainly to attaine vnto it For many things saith he may be said hereof which are not to be disliked but I make choise to vnderstand in these wordes that which the whole Church or almost the whole accustometh to take those to be called precations obsecrations as M. Bishop termeth them out of their vulgar Latin which we make in the celebration of the Sacraments before that which is vpon the Lords table beginne to be blessed Prayers those which are vsed when the same is blessed and sanctified and broken to be distributed all which petition almost the whole church concludeth with the Lords prayer Intercessions or postulations which are made when the people is blessed for then the Priests as aduocates doe offer to the most mercifull power them whom they haue receiued by imposition of hands All which being done and after the participation of so great a Sacrament thanks-giuing concludeth all Now what is there in all this that doth concerne the Masse M. Bishop telleth vs that St. Austin findeth all the parts of the Masse here touched by the Apostle and see saith he all the parts of it very liuely painted out but can any man but thinke that he was scant sober when he looked vpon the place and therefore his eyes being troubled thought hee saw that which hee saw not Here is the celebration of a Sacrament the setting of bread and wine vpon the table of the Lord the blessing and sanctifying thereof the breaking of it to be distributed to the people the peoples participating of the Sacrament and in the meane while prayers supplications intercessions giuing of thanks the very true description of our Communion but who seeth any thing here appertaining to the Masse What M. Bishop is there no end of your trifling will yee still goe on to play the wiseman in this sort But to helpe the matter he telleth vs that though he calleth not that celebration of the Sacrament by the name of Masse yet he doth giue it a name equiualent Sacri Altaris oblatio the oblation or sacrifice of the holy Altar It is true indeede that St. Austin nameth the oblation of the holy Altar but nothing at all to M. Bishops vse For willing to giue a reason why the prayers vsed in the very act of the administration of the Sacrament are termed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he taketh the same from the composition of the word and because 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is often vsed to signifie a vow therefore he saith that c Ibid. Ea propriè intelligenda est oratio quam facimus ad votum c. Vouentur autem omnia quae offeruntur Deo maximè sancti Altaris oblatio quo Sacramento praedicatur aliud nostrum votum maximum quo nos vouimus in Christo esse mansuros id est
repâ—aesentaret the representation of his body as Saint Hierome vnderstandeth it g Gelas cont Eutych Nestor Imago similitudo corporis sanguinis Domini in actione mysteriorum celebratur the image and similitude of his body as Gelasius termeth it h Chrysost in Mat. Op. imperf hom 11. Non verum corpus Christi sed mysterium corporis eius not his very body but the mysterie of his body as Chrysostome most expresly teacheth For conclusion of this section he poppeth without any diuision into a speech of the Church of Rome I made it a wonder that S. Paul writing to the Romans should say neuer a word of the prerogatiue of that Church or of the Pope M. Bishop for answere to this saith that he speaketh of the Church of Rome being but then in her cradle most honourably And how forsooth he saith to them i Rom. 1. 8. Your faith is renowmed in the whole world and againe k Rom. 16. 19. Your obedience is published into euery place In which places wee see a great testimony and commendation of their faith that then was but yet we see no priuiledge or prerogatiue of that Church What he said of the Râ—mans the same he said of the Thessalonians l 1. Thess 1. 8. Your faith which is towards God is spred abroade in all places and what hath the Church of Rome to challenge therâ— by more then the Church of Thessalonica Wee see M. Bishop doth as his fellowes doe hee will needes bee saying something though that which he saith be as good as nothing He saw well enough that he had said nothing but marke how therevpon he bewrayeth his owne shame No maruaile saith he to the wise though he did not then make mention of her supremacy for that did not belong to the Church or people of Rome but to S. Peter O wisedome and what hindered that hee spake nothing of S. Peters supremacy in that Church Marry because as yet he was scarsly well setled there neither did that appertaine to the matter hee treated of Iust the naile on the head In all his booke he hath not vttered a truer speech the supremacy of S. Peter did not indeed appertaine to the matter the Apostle treated of I shewed before out of Theodoret that the Epistle to the Romans containeth all kinde of Christian doctrine The supremacy of S. Peter appertained not thereto and therefore the Apostle hath said nothing of it in that Epistle But if it had beene a part of Christian doctrine had it not beene as pertinent to the matter he treated of to write somewhat of it as it was to write m Rom. 16. 3. 5. c. so many salutations to so many priuate and particular men Was it appertaining to the matter he treated of to coÌ„mend to the church of Rome n Ibid. Vers 1. Phoebe a seruant of the Church of Cenchrea and did it not appertaine thereto to commend vnto them Saint Peter the supreme Pastor and Bishop of the whole Church And what though hee were not as yet well setled there would not S. Paul therefore put to his helping hand that he might be setled He saith for Phoebe o Vers 2. that yee receiue her in the Lord as it becommeth Saints and that yee assist her in whatsoeuer businesse shee hath neede of your aide and would he not request them as much for the receiuing of S. Peter to his place and assisting him therein And what though the supremacy belonged not to the Church or people of Rome but to Saint Peter did it not yet concerne the Church and people of Rome to know the supremacy of S. Peter And though the supremacy belonged to S. Peter did there no prerogatiue thereby grow to the Church of Rome Pope Benedict saith that p Extrauag comm l. r. tit 3. Sancta Romana Mater vniuersorum Christi fidelium Magistra the Roman Church is the Mother and Mistresse of all that beleeue Pope Nicholas the third saith of Peter and Paul q Sext. de clect c. Fundamento lsti sunt qui Romanam Ecclesiam in haÌ„c gloriam prouexerunt vt sit gens sancta populus electus câ—uitas Sacerdotalis Râ—gia per sacraÌ„ bâ—alt Petri sedâ— caput totius orbis effecta These are they who haue aduanced the Roman Church to this glory to be a holy nation an elect people a Priestly and Kingly City being by the holy sâ—ate of S. Peter made the head of the whole world and what should the Apostle then meane if this be true to say nothing of all this glory M. Bishop himselfe hath told vs before that r Chapt. 1. §. 2 the church of Rome is the Rocke vpon which the whole Church is built and against which the gates of hell shall neuer preuaile that all Churches ought to agree with the Church of Rome for her more potent principality that falshood in matters of faith can haue no accesse vnto the See of Rome Could all these things be so and yet the Apostle writing to them to say nothing hereof Surely M. Bishops dunghill reasons giue me leaue gentle Reader so to call them as they be are very vnsufficient to satisfie any wise man but that the Apostle in that large Epistle would certainly haue said somewhat of the dignity of the Roman Church and the Supremacy of St. Peter and the Bishops there if it had beene so Å¿ Bellarm. Epist ad Blacwel Archipresbyt Vnum ex prâ—cipuis fidei nostrae capitibus religionis Catholicae fundamentis chiefe a point of Catholike religion as they would now haue it taken to be W. BISHOP §. 7. OF Pardons S. Paul teacheth in formall tearmes which both the Church of Corinth and hee himselfe gaue vnto the incestuous Corinthian that then repented these be his words And whom you haue pardoned any 2. Cor. 2. vers 10. thing I also for my selfe also that which I haue pardoned if I haue pardoned any thing for you in the person of Christ that we be not circumuented of Sathan What can be more manifest then that the Apostle did release some part of the penance of that incestuous Corinthian at other mens request Which is properly to giue pardon and indulgence And if S. Paul in the person of Christ could so doe no doubt but S. Peter could doe as much and consequently other principall Pastours of Christs Church haue the same power and authority R. ABBOT MAy wee not thinke it strange that M. Bishop should thus dare in the sight of God and the world to abuse the holy word of God He knoweth well that in the Scriptures there is nothing to giue any signification of the Popes Pardons It is an abhomination brought into the Church of latter time a thing vnknowen to the ancient Fathers and neuer heard of for a thousand yeares or more after the time of Christ Syluester Prierias one of the Popes great champions confesseth with a
mouth full of blasphemic a Syluest Prier cot Luther conclus 56. Indulgentiae non innotuêre nobiâ— authorâ—tate Scripturae sed authoritate Ecclesiae Romanae Romanorumque Pontificum quae maior est Indulgences or Pardons haue not beene knowen to vs by the authority of the Scriptures but by the authority of the Church of Rome and Bishops of Rome which is greater then the Scriptures b Alphons de Cast adu haer lib. 8. tit Indulgentiae Inter omnes res de quibus in hoc opere disputamus nulla est quam minùs apertè sacrae literae prodiderint de qua minùs vetusti scriptores dixerint Et post pro indulgentiarum approbatione sacrae Scripturae testimoniâ— apertum deest There is nothing saith Alphonsus de Castro which the Scriptures haue declared lesse plainly or whereof the old writers haue said lesse There is no plaine testimony of Scripture for the approuing of them And yet M. Bishop no skimmer ouer the Scriptures I warrant you but a man of great obseruation and insight into them will take vpon him to haue found where S. Paul teacheth of Pardons not obscurely or darkely but in very formall termes He citeth to this purpose the wordes of S. Paul concerning the incestuous excommunicated Corinthian now much humbled by repentance and hauing giuen thereof great satisfaction and testimony to the Church c 2. Cor. 2. 10. Whom you haue pardoned any thing I so doe also for my selfe also what I haue pardoned for your sakes I haue done it in the sight of Christ that we be not circumuented of Satan Here he saith that the Corinthians and S. Paul himselfe did giue a pardon he did release some part of the penance of that incestuous Corinthian which is properly to giue pardon or indulgence Iust as well fitted as if he had put a Goose quill to a Wood-cocks taile Hee might euen as well haue alleaged our Bishops as giuers of Popish Pardons because they doe release to men vpon occasion some parts of penance inioyned them for criminall demeanours and had he not made a great speake if he had so done What are we come to vnderstand by the Popes Pardons the releasing of Penitents from the bond of excommunication for the restoring of them againe to the communion of the Church It is true which he saith of this that if S. Paul could so doe S. Peter could doe as much and other principall Pastours of Christs Church haue the same power and authority who doubteth hereof But we speake of a power which the Pope challengeth as proper to himselfe to giue Pardons and Libels of Indulgence or to giue authority to others to giue the same out of the Church treasury of the supererogations of Saints not for absoluing Penitents in foro Ecclesiae but in foro Coeli for releasing of soules from Purgatory and for giuing of them remission for so many dayes or yeares or hundreds or thousands of yeares not only to men for themselues liuing but also for their friends dead and that for doing such and such deuotions or paying so much money for such or such vse or aiding him in his wars against Christian Princes or doing any other worke and seruice that he requireth A lewd and wicked deuise and practise of the Popes of some latter ages and as lewdly coloured by M. Bishop by pretense of that that doth in no sort appertaine vnto it For all that the Apostle intendeth in the words alleaged is that which St. Ambrose briefly expresseth thus d Ambros in 2. Cor. 2. Orat ne adhuc exulcerato aduersum illum animo durum esset illis habere cum illo coÌ„munionem Ecclesiae Hee prayeth them that they would not any longer by a minde exasperated against him bee hard to haue with him the communion of the Church This is the forgiuenesse this is the pardon that he desireth in his behalfe that inasmuch as he hath sufficiently shewed himselfe penitent for his fault they will no longer forbeare to haue Christian society and fellowship with him M. Bishop therefore would neuer haue brought vs this place for Popes Pardons but that by a resolute course of impudency he maketh choise to say any thing rather then to say the truth W. BISHOP §. 8. THe last of M. Abbots instances is That S. Paul saith nothing of traditions wherein hee sheweth himselfe not the least impudent for the Apostle speaketh of them very often Hee desireth the Romans to marke them that make dissentions and scandals Rom. 16. ver 17. contrary to the doctrine which you haue learned and to auoide them but the doctrine that they had then learned before S. Paul sent them this Epistle was by word of mouth and tradition for little or none of the new Testament was then written wherefore the Apostle teacheth all men to be auoided that dissent from doctrine deliuered by Tradition And in the Acts of the Apostles it is of record how S. Paul walking through Syria and Silicia confirming the Churches Commanded Act. 15. vers 41. them to keepe the precepts of the Apostles and of the Ancients Item when they passed through the Citties they deliuered vnto them to keepe the decrees Act. 16. vers 4. that were decreed by the Apostles and Ancients which were at Hierusalem and the Churches were confirmed in faith c. Where it also appeareth that those decrees were made matter of faith and necessary to be beleeued to saluation before they were written Hee doth also charge his best beloued Disciple Timothy To 1. Tim. 6. ver 20 keepe the Depositum that is the whole Christian doctrine deliuered vnto him by word of mouth as the best Authours take it auoiding the prophane nouelty of voices and oppositions of falsly called knowledge Againe he commandeth him to commend to faithfull 2. Tim. 2. vers 2. men the things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses Was not this to preach such doctrine as he had receiued by Apostolike tradition without writing And further which suppresseth all the vaine cauils of the sectaries he saith Therefore Brethren stand and 2. Thess 2. v. 15. hold the Traditions which you haue learned whether it be by word or by our Epistle where you see that some Traditions went by word of mouth from hand to hand as well as some others were written and were as well to be holden and stood too as the written proceeding from the same fountaine of truth Gods spirit Thus much in answere vnto the instances proposed by M. Abbot which he very ignorantly and insolently auoucheth to haue no proofe or sound of proofe out of S. Paul R. ABBOT HEre M. Bishop playeth the Iugler againe and casteth a mist before his Readers eyes by altering the state of the question betwixt vs and them For the question is not whether the doctrine of truth haue beene at any time deliuered by Tradition that is by word of mouth without writing but whether
thee gentle Reader how warily M. Bishop speaketh Hee saith that he could in most controuersies adde the like confirmation willing hereby to haue thee vnderstand that as all his confirmations hitherto haue beene nothing worth so all the rest should bee starke naught And that thou maiest beleeue him herein hee taketh course presently to giue thee assurance of it St. Paul saith a 1. Tim. â— 15. The Church is the pillar and ground of truth Wherefore any man saith he may most assuredly repose his faith vpon her declaration Well but aske him hereupon Why then doe not you M. Bishop repose your faith vpon the declaration of the Church of England Not so will he say for this is the proper priuiledge and prerogatiue of the Church of Rome Wisdome and how commeth this to be proper to the Church of Rome Doth your booke tell you so Doe you not see that the Apostle vseth those wordes namely of the Church of Ephesus where Timothy was Bishop and therefore leaueth them appliable in the like sort to euery particular Church and therefore as well to the Church of England as to the Church of Rome And what exception hath he to the contrary but that as the Church of the liuing God hath beene from the beginning of the world so it hath beene from the beginning of the world the pillar and ground of truth and can hee make it good that there hath beene from the beginning a Church priuiledged thereby from being ledde into errour that all men might alwaies infallibly rest themselues vpon the sentence of that Church If not how can hee vpon this ground conclude that now which was not then and what he cannot finde to haue been in the Church of Hierusalem what likely-hood is there that it should be now found in the Church of Rome But it hath beene sufficiently declared before that b Part. 3. Confutation of Doctor Bishops Answer to Master Perkâ—ns Aduertisement c. sect 2. to be the pillar and ground of truth is the common duty of euery Church not any prerogatiue of the Roman Church and noteth what the Church alwaies by calling ought to be not what in act and performance it alwaies is Therefore this first confirmation of M. Bishops is but a paper shot it maketh a great noise but woundeth not The second is like the first c Ephes 4. 11. Christ gaue some Apostles some Prophets some Euangelists some Pastors and Doctors for the gathering togither of the Saints for the worke of the Ministery and for the edification of the body of Christ till we all meete together in the vnity of faith and knowledge of the sonne of God c. Hence he inferreth thus therefore the Church shall not faile in faith vntill the day of iudgement nor bee inuisible that hath visible Pastors and Teachers Vrge him here a little further as touching this not sailing in faith and thou shalt see how he will goe from the Church to the Church of Rome and from the Church of Rome to the generall Councell and from the generall Councell to the Pope and all both Pastors and Doctors and Church and Councell serue but for a saddle whereon the Pope rideth in his royaltie saying as a Councell of old vpbraided him d Auent Annal l. 7. In cuius fronte nomen contumeliae scriptum est Deus sum errare non possum Synod Reginoburg I am God and cannot erre They rest the priuiledge of not erring in the Pope and may we not thinke this text well alleaged to proue that the Pope cannot erre who is in truth neither Pastor nor Doctor but a Hireling and a Theefe The wordes of the Apostle serue to instruct vs that Christ Iesus being ascended vp on high prouideth for his Church raising vp Pastors and Doctors for the ends which he there expresseth but hee doth not say that Pastors and Doctors are alwaies answerable to those ends God gaue the Priests and Leuites for the like blessing vnto Israel and it was said of them e Deut. 33. 10. They shall teach Iacob thy iudgements and Israel thy law And yet there was a time when it was said of them f Ierem. 2. 8. The Priests said not Where is the Lord and they that should minister the law knew me not the Pastors offended against me and the Prophets prophesied in Baal and went after things that did not profit And againe g Malach. 2. 7 The Priests lips should preserue knowledge and they should seeke the law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lord of hostes but yee are gone out of the way yee haue caused many to fall by the law c. And againe h Osâ— 9. 8. The watchman of Ephraim should be with my God but the Prophet is the snare of a fowler in all his waies and hatred in the house of his God And is it not so also many times in the state of the Church of Christ Is it not so often times that they whom he hath giuen for Pastors and Doctors to his Church become i Apoc. 6. 13. starres fallen from heauen to earth voide of true light themselues and therefore giuing no light to others Haue there not beene infinite complaints hereof in the Church of Rome of the negligence and ignorance and inability of them who haue sitten in place of Pastors and Doctors in the Church Did M. Bishop neuer reade in Matthew Paris an Epistle deuised as sent from hell k Math. Paris in Wil. Conq. Satanas omne contubernium infernorum omni Ecclesiastico coetui gratias eâ—â—sit quòd cum in nullo voluptatibus suis deessent tantum numerum subditarum sibi animarum suae praedicationis incuria paterentur ad inferna descendere quaÌ„tum secula nunquam retroacta viderunt wherein Satan and all the company of hell did send thanks to the whole Ecclesiasticall order for that whereas in nothing they were wanting to their owne pleasures they suffered by their neglect of preaching such a great number of soules vnder them to goe to hell as no ages past had seene the like Was there in this meane time no failing in faith when Clemangis as Espencaeus witnesseth complaining of the want of the knowledge and reading of Gods word said l Claud EspeÌ„c Digress in 1. Tim. l. 1. c. 11. Vbi id nec legitur nec auditur fidem perire labefactari necesse est vt hodie proh dolor omnibus ferè locis cernimus vt ad teÌ„pora propinquare videamê° de quibus Dominus putas filius hominis c. ex Clemang Where the word of God is neither read nor heard needes must faith perish and decay as now a daies alas in all places almost we see so as that we see it approcheth to the times whereof our Sauiour saith Thinke yee when the sonne of man commeth he shall finde faith vpon the earth or when things m Ibid. ex Agobert Antiphonarium correximus
Gospell to the Corinthians of free cost though he omitted therein a liberty which God by speciall prouision and ordinance hath yeelded in that case yet the occasion waighed where he did it he did no more then in generality of duty God requireth and commandeth who will haue his fauours so to be a commodity vnto vs as that they be no wrong to him and our liberty so to be vrged and vsed as may stand with charity that it bee not a snare to our brethren or a wound to them whom wee should seeke to heale M. Bishop therefore is yet to seeke for his workes of supererogation St. Paul will yeeld him no helpe for them and a simple man would I hold him for alleaging this text for the proofe thereof but that I know he is tyed to goe that way that other Roman Hackneis haue gone before him Next and for conclusion he commeth to the Sacraments and although he cannot bring colour for their whole fiue superadded Sacraments yet he sheweth his good will by alleaging somewhat for two of them but still hath ill happe and commeth too short of the marke that he aymeth at For marriage he alleageth the wordes of St. Paul as commonly they doe y Ephes 5. 32. This is a great Sacrament Sacrament say they out of their vulgar Latin whereas considering the vse of the word Sacrament that now is they should rather say mysterie or secret as we doe Albeit if the very word Sacrament in their vulgar translation be sufficient to proue a Sacrament in that sense wherein the number of Sacraments is questioned betwixt vs and them they may tell vs of a greater number then now they doe and adde z Ephes 1. 9. the Sacrament of the will of God a Ephes â— 9. the Sacrament hidden from the ages past b 1. Tim. 3. 16 the Sacrament of Godlinesse c Apoc. 1. 20. the Sacrament of seuen Starres d Apoc. 17. 7. the Sacrament of the woman sitting vpon the Beast and sundry other of which their interpreter vseth the word Sacrament as well as hee doth concerning Marriage But the Masters of Rhemes acquit themselues in this behalfe affirming that e Rhem. Testam Annot. Ephes 5. 32. they doe not gather this only of the word Mysterie in Greeke or Sacrament in Latin both which they say they know haue a more generall signification and that in the Scriptures also which being so how idlely doth M. Bishop deale only to bring vs the very word for proofe that Matrimony is one of the Sacraments properly so called of the grace of Christ But the greater is his fault and the fault of his fellowes also in drawing this text to that purpose inasmuch as the Apostle expresly declareth that the mysterie or secret which he intendeth is concerning Christ and his Church This is a great mysterie but I speake concerning Christ and his Church that is saith Hierome in his lesser Commentary f Hieron in Ephes 5. Ego hoc inquit in Christo intelligendum dico in Ecclesia I say that this is to be vnderstood in Christ and in the Church And thus Leo Bishop of Rome wholly vnderstandeth it saying g Leo Epist 22. Quicunque in Christo non confitetur corpus humanum nouerit se mysterio incarnationis indignum nec eius Sacramenti habere consortium quod Apostolus praedicat dicens Quia membra sumus corporis eius c. Et exponeâ—s quid per hoc significaretur adiecit Sacramentum hoc magnum est ego autem dico in Christo in Ecclesia Whosoeuer confesseth not in Christ an humane body let him know himselfe vnworthy of the mysterie of the incarnation and that he hath no participation or fellowship of that Sacrament whereof the Apostle speaketh saying for we are members of his body of his flesh and of his bones for this shall a man leaue Father and Mother and shall cleaue to his wife and they two shall be one flesh and expounding what was signified hereby he addeth This is a great Sacrament but I speake of Christ and of the Church He vseth the word Sacrament as the Latin Fathers commonly doe as it extendeth to all things that are mysticall and spirituall but as touching the place is so farre from conceiuing Marriage here intended to be made a Sacrament as that he referreth the Sacrament or secret here spoken of altogether to the mystâ—â—ie of the incarnation and the spirituall coniunction and vnion betwixt Christ and his Church To the very same effect speaketh St. Austin and much more to the purpose because he toucheth the very point in hand h August in Ioan. Tract 9. Illud vnum quatum mysterium de Christo continet quod praedicat Apostolus dicens Et erunt duo in carne vna Sacramentum hoc magnum est Et nequis istam magnitudinem Sacramenti in singulis quibusque hominibus vxores habentibus intelligeret Ego aâ—tem dico in Christo c. Quod est hoc Sacramentum magnum Erunt duo in carne vna Cum de Adam Bua Scriptura Geneseos loqueretur vnde ventum est ad haec verba Propterea â—â—linquet homo patrem c. That one thing which the Apostle mentioneth saying They two shall â—e one flesh this is a great Sacrament how great a mysterie doth it containe concerning Christ And that no man should vnderstand this greatnesse of Sacrament in all men that haue wiues he saith But I speake of Christ and of the Church What is this great Sacrament saith he They two shall be one flesh Marry when the Scripture of Genesis spake that whence it proceedeth to those wordes for this cause shall a man leaue Father and Mother c. In which wordes wee see that St. Austine is so farre from M. Bishops Popish construction and application of this Text as that hee plainely denyeth the matter of Sacrament here spoken of to appertaine to the common Marriage of Men and Women and referreth the same wholly vnto Christ and his Church figured and resembled in our first Parents Adam and Eue and that in some things proper to them only Hereto belongeth that which hee saith i Ibid. Paulò pòst Dormit Adam vt fiat Eua moritur Christus vt fiat Ecclesia Dormienti Adâ— fit Eua de latere mortuo Christo lancea percutitur latus vt proâ—luant SacrameÌ„ta quibus formetur Ecclesia Adam sleepeth that Eue may be made and that the Church may bee made Christ dyeth Whilest Adam sleepeth Eue is made for him out of his side and the side of Christ being now dead is striken through with a speare that the Sacraments may issue forth by which the Church is framed Whereof Leo also addeth in the place before cited k Leo vt supr Quae de Sponsi â—arne prodijt quando ex latere crucifixi manaÌ„te sanguine aqua Sacramentum redemptionis regenerationis accepit The Church came out