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A19952	The reply of the most illustrious Cardinall of Perron, to the ansvveare of the most excellent King of Great Britaine the first tome. Translated into English.; Réplique à la response du sérénissime roy de la Grand Bretagne. Vol. 1. English	Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618.; Cary, Elizabeth, Lady, 1585 or 6-1639.; Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618. Lettre de Mgr le Cal Du Perron, envoyée au sieur Casaubon en Angleterre. English.; Casaubon, Isaac, 1559-1614. Ad epistolam illustr. et reverendiss. Cardinalis Peronii, responsio. English. Selections.	1630 (1630)	STC 6385; ESTC S107359	685,466	494

of the Anathema But God himselfe pronounceth Israel hath sinned and hath transgressed against my alliance they haue taken of the anathema and haue stollen it and haue lyed and haue hidden it amongst their stuffe and Israel cannot subsist before his enemies but shall fly before them for he is polluted with the anathema And notwithstanding there was but one onely man in al Israell and he yet vnkowne that had committed this crime to witt Acham And whereas it is said in the first of Samuel that in the time of Eli the word of God was precious that is to saie rare the author speakes not there in anie sort of the lawe or of the written word but of the oracles and visible predictions that God had accustomed to giue by the prophets as by these words And there was noe manifest vision may appeare And whereas it is said in the first to the cronicles that in the time of Saule the Arke was not required that is to saie according to the innouators glosse that God was not consulted with in this word This is a wrong interpretation of the word requisiuimus which intends not there inquired of but required and hath not reference to the word of God but to the Arke and signifies noe other thing but that in the time of Saule they had not yet required the Arke from the cittie of Kiriath Jearim The third obiection is taken from the complaint of Elias Elias said the Aduersaries of the Church complained to God that his Altars were beaten downe and his prophetts slaine with the sword and that he was left alone and they likewise sought him to put him to death And God answered him that he had reserued to 〈◊〉 seauen thousand Whereof Elias conceaued he had knowne none And this when God could not be serued visible but in Iudea the Church as they conclude was then inuisible But how longe will they stūble at one 〈◊〉 stone and not learne to distinguish betweene the kingdome of Israel were was the seate of schisme and heresie the kingdome of Iuda where was the seate of the true Church It is writtē that the herbe called Eringus hath this hidden propertie that if amongst a companie of Goates there be anie one that takes a leafe of it betweene his teeth that Goate will immediatlie stopp and with him all the Flocke so as it is not possible to make anie one of thē goe forward till first the leafe be pluckt out of his mouth Soe after one of the aduersaries of the Church hath apprehended anie falshood or absurditie all the rest as by a certaine charme doe soe stopp and stumble at it as it is not possible to make them goe forward vnlesse you call back the first author yea out of his graue to contradict himself and to recant publickly Melancton being inquired off 〈◊〉 the Church was twelue or thirteen hundred yeare agoe since from that time by his accompt our communion was corrupted with Idolatrie and impietie had recourse to the historie of Elias to whom said hee for a while the true Church was vnknowne and iuuisible After this all those that haue handled the same questiō without inquiring whether this solution were true or false without taking care to examin the place haue soe tied themselues to it as at this daie it is their onely and common refuge in this extreamitie It doth not importe vs answere they to knowe where the residence of the Church was in the ages whereof you inquire Elias who was a prophet was also ignorant for a time where she subsisted wee then may well be ignorant of it who are neither Prophets nor the children of Prophets For he complained that he was left alone but of whom did Elias speake when he said They haue 〈◊〉 thy Prophets with the sword Was it not of Achab and of Iesabel and where was it that he said he was left alone was it not in the Kingdome of Israel Now if saint AVGVSTINE speaking of the Christian Church it selse hath had reason to saie what an absurditie is it not to consider that the Church increasing and multiplying ouer all the world might suffer persecution by the kinges of some Nations when she did not suffer it by the rest wherefore may not wee cry out What an absurditie is it to transferr what belōges to the Kingdome of Israel where the true Church was persecuted to the Kingdome of Iuda where she was visible florishing and eminent For so fart of was the Church then from being tied and restrained to the Kingdome of Israel as contrariwise the true Seate the only seate the soueraigne seat of the seruice of God and of the visible exercise of Religion wherein only sacrifices might be lawfullie celebrated the center of vnion and ecclesiasticall communion the heart if I may saie so and roote of the Church was Situate out of the iurisdiction of Israel Nay more then so all the sacerdotall order all the 〈◊〉 of Leui all the high-priests priests and ministers to whom onely belonged the dispensation of the misteries and ceremonies all the magistrates and officers of the Church all the Pastors and ordinarie Doctors without which she could not be visible nor retaine her iust markes and Sacraments then made their residence out of the Kingdom of Israel And to proue this threescore yeares and more before Elias began to prophecie the Kingdome of Israel had bene deuided into two Kingdomes the one contayning the tribe of Iuda which was without comparison the greatest and most principall that of Beniamin to which was also ioyned the linage of Leui all intire with infinite particulars of the other Tribes who desired to serue God purelie holding the title of the Kingdome of Iuda vnder the dominion of Roboam the true and naturall heire the other cōprehending the rest of the tribes possessed by Jeroboam a rebell an vsurper possessed vnder the restrained name of the Kingdome of Israel By meanes whereof these two peoples haue alwaies had their estates and their kings aparte yea their religiōs also for the more part deuided For to Jeroboam succeeded Nadab to Nadab Baasa to Baasa Ela to Ela Zambri to Zambri Amri to Amri Achab All not only schismatickes but Idolators and infidells Elias then as subiect to Achab complained that these Relickes of the Church which remayned in Israel these fewe of the faithfull which were left in the territorie of Achab and which were wont euerie yeare to goe vp to professe and to exercise their Religion in the Kingdome of Iuda where the Temple and Priesthood was had bene rooted out by the tyrannie of Queene Iesabel And frō the departing frō thence there are men which cōclude without scruple of this feare there was thē noe visible Church in the world But heare the historie of the seperatiō of these two kingdomes He raigned saith the historie of the chronicles speaking of Roboā ouer Iuda ouer Beniamin The Priests also the Leuites which

with that modesty and submission which is due to the person and worth of so high and mighty a Monarch and with that learning and solidyty that might be expected from so great a maister of truth as that most eminent Cardinall was in behalf of so glorious a cause as is the doctrine of the catholique Church THE L. CARDIN PERRONS REPLIE TO HIS MAIESTIES ANSWER TO THE LETTER WRITTEN TO MONS CASAVBON THE FIRST OBSERVATION Reduced into an abridgement by the Kinge THE name of Catholicke doth not simplie designe Faith but also Communion with the Catholicke Church for this Cause the Fathers would not suffer that those should bee Called Catholickes which had separated themselues from the communion of the Church though they retained the Faith thereof For there is one only Catholicke Church out of the which Faith and Sacramentes may be had but not Saluation To this end there are manie places alleaged out of S. AVGTSTIN OF THE VSE OF THE WORD CATHOLIQVE THE ANSVVERE OF THE KINGE CHAPITRE I. TO beleeue the Catholicko Church and to beleeue the Communion of Saintes are put distinctly as diuers thinges in the Creede and it seemes the first was ptincipallie inserted to discerne the Iewish Synagogue from the Christian Church which ought not to be as that was inclosed within the lymittes of one only nation but to be spread in length and breadth through all the regions of the world And therefore the reason is not manifest enough why in the beginning of this obseruation it is said that the title of Catholicke designeth Communion These two thinges are very neere one an other but different notwithstandinge as wee haue shewed THE REPLIE WHEN the Philosopher FAVORINVS disputed against the Emperor ADRIAN and that his hearers were amazed and reproached it to him that he suffered the Emperor to confute him and yielded to him he answered them should not I yield to a man tha commaundes twentie legions Soe if there were noe question in this worke but of humane philosophie secular learninge it should be easie for me to stop my selfe at FAVORINVS boundes and to abstaine to contest with his maiestie or to resist him But since heere wee treate of his interest who hath not legions of men but of Angells and which hath for his title THE KINGE OF KINGES AND LORD OF LORDES and from whom this excellent Kinge himselfe makes profession to holde in Fee his life and Crownes that is to saie the cause of IESVS CHRIST and of his Kingdome which is the Church I will promise myselfe from his Maiesties bountie that he will not mislike where it shall be needefull that I resist and contradict him with all the respectiue libertie that the lawes of disputation yield me Then for the argument of the Creede I will saie after I haue kist my weapones three thinges for my defence FIRST that it is vncertaine whither the cause of the Communion of Saintes be an article aparte or an explication of the precedinge cause and a declaration that the Catholicke Church consistes not in the simple number of the faithfull euery one considered a parte but in the ioinct Communion of all the bodie of the faithfull in such sorte as both clauses make but one article as it seemeth sainct IEROM RVFFINVS and Sainct AVGVSTINE who haue omitted the latter haue esteemed it The SECOND that it is vncertaine whether it signifie the Communion that the faithfull liuinge haue one with an other or the Commerce that the Saintes of the triumphant Church doe exercise with the Saintes of the militant Church by the prayers that the Saints of the triumphant offer for the Saints of the militant and the commemoration that the saints of the militant make of the saints of the triumphant which is that that wee in our Liturgie call to communicate with the memory of the Saintes And the THIRD that whatsoeuer it signifie it is most certaine that the word CATHOLICKE was not added to that of the Church to distinguish the Christian Church from the Iewish Synagogue which had neuer borne the name of Church in qualitie of a title of a Religion when the creed was Composed and by consequence did not oblige the Christian Church to take the Epithete of Catholicke to bee discerned from that from which in all cases she had bene suffieientlie distinguished by the title of Christian but it was added to discerne the true Church from hereticall and schismaticall Societies which vsurpe equiuocally and by false markes the name of Church for that our Lord was the first that affected and consecrated the word ECCLESIA which we vsually translate in Englishe Church to signifie a societie of Religion whereas before neither it nor the Hebrewe word that answeres to it had anie other vse but that which prophane authors giue it which is to signifie Assemblies conuocations Generall Estates as when DEMOSTHENES said to ESCHINES thou wert dumbe to the assemblies where the greeke word is Ecclesijs the conuocations or general meetings And as when Aristotle called the conuocations of Creete ecclesias And as when the Scholiast of HOMER said Iupiter gathered together Ecclesias the Assemblies of the Gods It appeares first by the testimonie of MOSES who forbids bastardes to enter into the Church of Israell And of DAVID who singes I hate the Church of the malignant And of S. STEPHEN who said MOSES was in the Church in the solitarie place that is to saie with the multitude of the people in the desert It appeares secondlie by the testimonie of S. IEROM and of S. CYRILLVS who interpretinge this verse of ESAY Thou shalt bee called by a new name that the mouth of our Lord shall pronounce Doe affirme that this new name must be the name of Church It shall noe more saith S. IEROM be called Ierusalem and Sion but it shall receiue a new name that the Lord shall impose vpon it sayinge to the Apostle PETER thou art PETER and vpon this PETRA or rock I will build my Church And S. CYRILL It shall be noe more called Synagogue but the Church of the liuinge God And finallie it appeares by the verie testimonie of our aduersaries that not only in all the textes of the old Testament where the Greeke translation of the Seuentie vse the word Ecclesia but also in all those of the new where that word hath relation to anie other multitude beside the Christian Church they expresse it by Congregation or Assemblies And if since the cōminge of IESVS CHRIST and the edition of the creede the Fathers haue sometymes called the Synagogue by the name of Ecclesia or Church it hath bene by anticipation to shew the successiue vnitie of the one and other societie but not that the Iewish Church while it lasted hath euer vndertaken to attribute to herselfe the title of a Church in the qualitie of a title of Religion Neither consequently when the creede was composed was there neede of an