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A26172 Jani Anglorum facies nova, or, Several monuments of antiquity touching the great councils of the kingdom and the court of the kings immediate tenants and officers from the first of William the First, to the forty ninth of Henry the third, reviv'd and clear'd : wherein the sense of the common-council of the kingdom mentioned in King John's charter, and of the laws ecclesiastical, or civil, concerning clergy-men's voting in capital cases is submitted to the judgement of the learned. Atwood, William, d. 1705? 1680 (1680) Wing A4174; ESTC R37043 81,835 173

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and_o thereby_o assume_v the_o exercise_n of_o justice_n without_o the_o king_n authority_n be_v certain_o a_o much_o great_a offence_n against_o the_o king_n crown_n and_o dignity_n than_o bare_o the_o appeal_n however_o either_o may_v have_v be_v crimina_fw-la laesae_fw-la majestatis_fw-la against_o the_o crown_n and_o royal_a dignity_n and_o yet_o not_o capital_a as_o glanvile_n show_v but_o this_o be_v further_a observable_a that_o the_o king_n himself_o appeal_v to_o the_o pope_n in_o this_o very_a controversy_n between_o he_o and_o becket_n hâc_fw-la igitur_fw-la celebri_fw-la celebratâ_fw-la &_o acceleratâ_fw-la appellatione_fw-la misit_fw-la rex_fw-la 1400._o misit_fw-la &_o archiepiscopus_fw-la nuntio_n ad_fw-la dominum_fw-la papam_fw-la 1392._o and_o according_a to_o greu._n the_o bishop_n appeal_v to_o the_o pope_n against_o becket_n with_o the_o great_a approbation_n of_o the_o king_n wherefore_o the_o article_n in_o the_o constitution_n of_o clarendon_n touch_v appeal_n 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