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A48815 A conference between two Protestants and a papist, occasion'd by the late seasonable discourse Lloyd, William, 1627-1717. 1673 (1673) Wing L2675; ESTC R23405 26,381 34

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sedis gratia but leave Apostolica sedis quite out The Recourse which is now had to him I believe was occasioned by the frequent abuses which happened in promotions and which is thought so far from necessary even now that if I mistake not the Canons are still in force which order that unless he provide for a vacant Sea within a time limited and that no long one the three next Bishops shall make one without more ado However this collation of Bishopricks by the Pope is plainly by Canon Law and subject to the contingencies and nature of other Canons ● To let pass at present what you answer only and me● thinks unsatisfactorily as before of your remaining ●il● of your former opinion so here again of your not believing that Bishops are made any where upon those terms except perhaps in the Popes own Territories and not to press you further home on this po●nt First by telling you not with any perhaps or peradventure but most certainly that all Bishops either named created confirmed or consecrated by virtue of the Popes Bulls not only for his own temporal Territories but for any where else throughout the world are made upon those termes and that no less certainly that very Pontificale Romanam which prescribes the aforesaid Oath to be taken by all Arch Bishops and all Bishops and all Abbots too at their consecration nay and to be taken twice by every Arch Bishop videlicet first at his Consecration and the second time at his receiving the Pallium is no less the Pontifical now in use throughout all Churches acknowledging the Popes Supremacy than the Roman Breviary and the Roman Missal are are the only Breviary and Missal now in publick use in the same Churches as it is known they are Secondly by assuring you also there are even at this present within his Majesties Dominions nay in one of them i. e. Ireland residing now publickly enough at home in their Diocesses at least nine Ticular new Bishops and ●ower also new Arch-Bishops in all thirteen besides two more alive still of the old Nuncio Bishops and every one of them created by the Pope within these four la●st years since 1669 consecrated according to the prescription of that Roman Pontifical only and swor● the Popes devoted Bondslaves for ever by that very Oath that Oath which you please to call it either of strictest however sacrilegious fidelity to the Pope or of most per●idious Treachery against the King and Kingdom for it is both and you your self will easily believe they do will hold to it being they are so far from thinking not only not to renounce all nay nor any of the words comprised in the Popes respective Bulls to them made of their several Bishopricks which be contrary or prejudicial to the King our sovereign Lord and to his Crown nor only not so much as to renounce any part of those even most notoriously Traiterous promises of the aforesaid Oath not even so much as virtually or indirectly or even implicitely to renounce any part of them by taking either the usual Oaths of Supremacy or Allegiance or even any other kind of Oath of fidelity to the King that on the contrary it is manifestly known they have all of them ever since their Consecration made it their work not only to suppres● utterly that now so lamed Irish Remonstrance or profession of fidelity to the King in all temporal affairs according to the Laws of the Land presented to and accepted by his Majesty in the year 1661 but also to prosecute with incredible malice for so many years all those other Irish Ecclesiasticks of their Church who in the said year or any time since had signed as only for having signed that Formulory until at last by such wicked ways they have forced most of these forlorn subjects forlorn I call them because of one side persecuted by the Pope and of the other not protected by our Laws to retract their subscription and consequently and even under their own hands to renounce utterly their allegiance to the King nay even also and which must be consequential to disclaim their acknowledgment of his being their King at all in any matter or cause whatsoever being he cannot be acknowledged King at all if he be not acknowledged King at least in all civil and temporal affairs according to the Laws of the Land or in indispensable Obedience and Faith be not acknowledged to be due to him in such matters from all his Subjects Thirdly by desiring you to consider that of all the Roman Catholicks by all right and Laws subject to the King the great and considerable body indeed is only the Irish Nation instructed now and wholy as to point of Conscience governed by those very Bishops and Arch-Bishops how apt as those instructors so the instructed Irish generally taken are in the present conjuncture for any kind of bad impressions from abroad and consequen●ly for another fatal revolution at home and what other probable design then that of preparing them for a new rebellion in due time or fit opportunity at home cou●d ther● be in those eager persecutions continued so inexorably scandalously and incessantly these eleven years past both by the Court of Rome abroad and by all its Emissaries at home although more violently and confidently these four last years by the foresaid new Bishops and Arch-Bishops and all their underlings and other adherents against so innocent a profession of Allegiance or promise of Obedience in temporal things on●y to the King Nay what other probable design could there be but that of creating in and commanding home too and crouding in that Kingdom so many titular Bishops and Arch-Bishops besides Vicars Apostolick with Episcopal jurisdiction in so many other of the vacant Sees and besides too so many Nunciotist Provincials of Regular Orders and Abbots also and that immediately upon the Duke of Ormonds removal from that Government in the year 1669 Bishops and Arch-Bishops without Benefice without Revenue without Patrimony or other means to maintain them but what they get neither by preaching nor praying but by poling and pilling and fleecing and flaying the poor both Priests and people under their pretended jurisdiction though withal I must confess devou●ing even already in hopes those indeed considerable Temporalties which the Protestant Bishops enjoy at present according to Law Pluncket of Ardmagh 5000 l. a year old Revenue lawfully as yet possessed by Margetson of the same See Talbot of Dublin thetwo or 3000 l. of that See also which Boyl or Michael Dubliniensis hath now in legal possession and so for the rest all over Ireland respectively Which Revenues as they were one of the chief causes of the last Rebellion think you they may not in all likelyhood be of another yet in our days Being those Papal Bishops hold these Royal Prelates to be meer usurpers even of those very temporal revenues and know themselves are entituled by the Popes Bulls not only to the