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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B09776	The Anabaptists meribah: or, VVaters of strife. Being a reply to a late insulting pamphlet, written by Thomas Lamb, merchant, intitulled, Truth prevailing against the fiercest opposition; or, An answer to Mr. John Goodwins Water-dipping, no firm footing for church-communion. Wherein the impertinency of M. Lamb's answer, and the validity of M. Goodwin's Water-dipping, &c. are manifested by I. Price a member of the Church of Christ, whereof the said Mr. Goodwin is pastor.	Price, J., fl. 1656.	1656 (1656)	Wing P3332A; ESTC R182056	87,699	107

and it is the truest answer you have yet given Mr. Goodwins 18th Consideration viz. that it is hard to prove it sinfull to refuse not only not to be dip but to be baptized in one form or other 1. Because hard to finde out a lawfull administrator 2. The command to baptize is given to the Apostles 3. They were not enjoyned to baptize any person against his will 4. Those words teaching them to observe whatsoever I command them do not prove that the Apostles did teach believers to require baptism of them except it be proved that Christ did command the Apostles so to do 5. Neither is it found in the Scriptures that the Apostles did teach a church or people to seek baptism at their hands c. SECT LXXII YOU answer first with grief of heart that such noble parts and abilities are so desperately engaged in so bad a cause By this You seem a little to grudge that such precious Oyntment should be spent upon the service of truth you know who said it were better sold and given to the poor But thus say you If I prove from Scripture that it is sinfull for Disciples to remain unbaptized and that by the precept of Christ then all your far-fetcht pleas will fall to the ground And then you fall to the work from page the 69. to page the 79. toyling and labouring to catch that which at least mist of it you might have had granted you for asking but you answer to what was objected as if like the Disciples when Christ told them of his going up to Jerusalem to suffer c. Luke 18.34 you understood none of those sayings but that they are hid from you neither know you the things that were spoken Those that have a blemish in their eye said one the more wishly they look into any thing the less they see of it the truth is in this you answer as if the language of the consideration were Barbarian unto you and you to it and instead of pursuing the Partridge with the Faulconers you flie after a gilded butterflye with children when one thing is called for by Mr. Goodwin another thing is fetcht by Mr. Lamb Like that of Dabartus writing of the building of N●mrods Tower Bring me quoth one a Trowel quickly quick One brings him up a Hammer Hew this brick Another bids and then they cleave a Tree Make fast this Rope and then they let it flee One calls for Plancks another Morter lacks They bring the first a Stone the last an Ax. You go about to prove it sinfull for Disciples to remain unbaptized if you mean Disciples whom Christ commanded to be baptized having all opportunities thereunto as they had in the primitive times M. Goodwin and you are of one minde in that but if you mean Disciples now in these dayes wherein we live you must prove that God hath given them the same opportunities unto baptism which he gave those Disciples in the primitive times Jesus Christ surely doth not command things to be done and that upon penalty of his sore displeasure and banishment from his dwelling place which are ultra posse or impossible Jesus Christ is no such hard Master if you will prove it incombant upon us to be baptized which is not by us denyed by vertue of the command of Christ you must then prove and that not by a flourish of words but evidence of Scripture 1. VVho is the person sufficiently authorised by Jesus Christ hereunto Hard it is for M. Lamb to prove his authority to baptize Whether you can clearly prove your commission for baptizing other men and women and why those men yea and women too whom you baptize may not go out and baptize others for where do we finde in the Scriptures that those whom John baptized did after their baptism baptize others as also the like querie may be made of those converts in the Acts of the Apostles c. 2. If you will answer the argument of the consideration in hand you must prove the command of Christ Mat. 28.19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them c. was a Law imposed upon you if you wil take upon you to baptize others as well as upon the Apostles As also who are those mentioned in baptizing them what is the antecedent or substantive to this relative pronoun them Again you must prove that the Apostles did teach believers to require baptism of them and that Christ did command his Apostles to teach the Nations to observe it and that the Apostles in their ministry did teach churches or persons to seek baptism at their hands much less to threaten them for not seeking it Again you must prove if you will speak to the consideration or that under consideration that the Apostles had power by vertue of their commission to make it a standing Law for all Pastors and Teachers who were to succeed them in the ministry to impose the observation of the same law upon all believers and the rather because 1. water baptism seems by the practise of the Apostles to be intended by God chiefly if not only for to attend the Gospel in its first reception by a people 2. In that where the work or office of Pastors and Teachers or their qualifications are described there is no mention made of any charge upon them to baptize c. Again if you consider the consideration you must prove that those words Mat. 28.19 and so I am with you to the end of the world do necessarily imply that baptism is to continue unto the end of the world for as much as the phrase to the end of the world may mean 1. His being with them unto the end of their lives 2. That their labours should prosper and be fruitfull when they were dead and gone even to the end of the world Again you must prove the promise of his presence not only to his Apostles and successors in the administration of baptism unto the end of the world but that the like promise is made unto private Christians also in their administrations of baptism These things are propounded as Mr. Goodwin saith not as intending to argue the extinction of the Ordinance of baptism but rather as a demonstration of the many Labyrinths and Difficulties which you ought to overcome and clear who are so confidently positive and assertive of your practise and who pronounce all men unworthy of christian-communion who are not as positive and assertive as your selves But alas Mountains and Rocks are not so easie removed by Babes and Sucklings and puft away with a breath SECT LXXIII THE 19. Consideration being as you say the same with the 8th you pass over with reference to your answer thereunto and so do I with reference to my reply to that answer and if that 19th Consideration were nineteen times put upon your thoughts it would be too little for you to withstand the due weight and import thereof Mr. Goodwins 20. Consideration is to