statutes and reports some whereof were made not long after and so from time to time downeward till these late challenges doe make it very manifest It is prouided by Statute that 2 24. Edw. 1. stat de consultatione the Chancellor or chiefe Iusticer of the King vpon sight of the libell whereupon any prohibition is brought if the case cannot be redressed by any Writte out of the Chancerie but that the Spirituall Court ought to determine the matter shall write to the Iudges where the cause was first mooued to proceede the prohibition directed notwithstanding So that wherein soeuer by custome and liberties of Holy Church Iudges Ecclesiasticall were wont to proceede if no Writ lie thereupon in Chancerie they may still holde plea and take conusance Also in the conclusion of the Statute of Articuli 1 Artic. Cleri 9. Ed. 2. ca. 16. Cleri where sundry matters besides Testamentarie and Matrimoniall are mentioned it is thus enacted that the Prelates Clergie and their successours shall vse execute and practise for euermore the Iurisdiction of the Church in the premisses after the tenor of the answeres aforesaid without quarell inquieting or vexation of our heires or any of our Officers whatsoeuer they be Likewise it is by Parliament 2 15. Ed. 3. ca. 6. accorded that the Ministers of holy Church for money taken for redemption of corporall penance nor for proofe and account of Testaments or for trauaile taken about the same nor for solemnitie of marriage nor for other things touching the Iurisdiction of the Church shall not be empeached nor arrested nor driuen to make answere before the Kings Iustices nor other Ministers and thereupon shall haue Writs in the Chancerie when they will demaund Where we finde that other things besides Commutations matters Testamentarie and Matrimoniall doe belong to the Iurisdiction of the Church And to like effect after in the same Kings dayes 3 18. Edw. 3. pro Clero c 6. Commissions to enquire of Iudges of Holy Church whether they made iust Proces or excessiue in causes Testamentarie and others which notoriously pertaine to the conisance of Holy Church were from thencefoorth forbidden Therefore these Statutes being still in force if Iudges Ecclesiasticall shall be found but to deale as they ought in matters appertaining meerely to Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall how the vexations impeachments driuings to answere and strange enquiries against them vsed in some places may be iustified by Lawe is worthie the consideration of those that are or shall be procurers therein In a statute of King 4 1. Ric. 2. ca 13. Richard the second mention is made that the pursuites for Tithes and for some other causes of right ought and of olde times were wont to pertaine to the Spirituall Court. In a Statute of King Henrie the eight it is 5 24. H. 8. c. 12. in the praeamb testified that both the authorities and Iurisdictions Spirituall and Temporall doe conioyne together in the due administration of Iustice the one to helpe the other And that the Lawes Temporall are for triall of propertie of landes and goods and for the conseruation of the people of this Realme in vnitie and peace without rauin and spoyle And in the bodie of the Statute are particularly named and reckoned for Ecclesiasticall besides causes Testamentarie and Matrimoniall these viz. diuorces right of tythes oblations and obuentions of which it is affirmed that the knowledge of these causes by the goodnesse of Princes of this Realme and by the Lawes and customes of the same appertaineth to the Spirituall Iurisdiction of this Realme And because by that Statute remedie was onely prouided that appellations in those aforesaide cases should not be prosecuted out of the Realme there being also many other causes of Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall wherein a like remedie was conuenient to be had therefore the next yeere after it was enacted that 1 25. H. 8. c. 19. all maner of appeales of what nature or condition soeuer they bee or what cause or matter soeuer they concerne shall bee made and had by the parties grieued c. after such maner as is limitted for causes of appeales in matters Testamentarie Matrimoniall tythes c. in the said former statute mentioned In a Statute of King 2 1. Ed. 6. c. 2. Edward the 6. besides matters of voluntarie Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall as collations presentations Institutions inductions letters of orders and dimissories are reckoned in generall as Ecclesiasticall all suites and causes of instance betwixt partie and partie and all causes of correction And in particular all causes of bastardie or bigamie and enquirie De Iure patronatus besides matters of Testament of administration or of accounts vpon them And 3 5. Eliz. c. 23. in one Statute in her Maiesties reigne are reckoned in particular as the more grieuous sort of matters of correction in Ecclesiasticall Courtes heresie refusing to haue a childe baptized or to receiue the holy Communion or to come to diuine seruice errour in matters of religion or doctrine now receiued incontinencie vsurie Simonie periurie in the ecclesiasticall Court and Idolatrie And therefore Iudges Ecclesiasticall may lawfully cite men in certaine other causes besides Testamentarie or Matrimoniall and ought not eonomine tantùm to be vexed vnquieted impeached driuen to answere or arrested CHAP. V. That suites for title of Benefices vpon Voidance or Spoliation likewise that suites for tythes Oblations Mortuaries c. for Pensions Procurations c. are of Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction is prooued by statutes MAtter 's and suites for the title of Benefices ecclesiastical so they touch not the trial of the patronage do belong also to the knowledge and iurisdiction of a court ecclesiastical by the lawes of the Realme For conisance of voidāce of benefices 1 25. Ed. 3. pro Clero ca. 8. and the discussing thereof de iure doe belong to Iudges of holy Church and not to the Lay Iudge The Common 2 Treatise of constitu Prou. Legatine ca. 9. printed by Tho. Godfrey tempore H. 8 lawe doth mention fiue causes of auoidance of a benefice viz. death resignation depriuation creation and cession But whether it may be deemed void in law vpō any of the last foure meanes of auoidance is by the law ecclesiasticall determinable And by the bookes of the Common lawe 3 M. 22. Edw. 4. fol. 24. whether the Church be full or not full or the Clerke able or not able is triable in an ecclesiasticall Court Townesend For if an 4 Regist. in br orig pag. 55. b. inferiour Ordinary shal differ or refuse to admit or institute a Clerke presented and the Clerke bring his double Querele being of the nature in some sort of an appellatiō from the Archbishops court and the aduerse parte doe bring a prohibition the said Clerke may haue hereupō his consultation so that the court eccles by colour hereof deale not with the right of patronage of the benefice Likewise for spoliation of a
not haue conusance of the breach of an othe voluntarily taken is when there lieth an action for the matter whereof the othe was confirmatorie at the Common Lawe therefore it was holden by Brian 6 T. 22. Ed. 4. fol. 20. not long after that if a man sweare to pay twentie pounds that he oweth at a certaine time and pay it not and for the periurie be brought into the Spiritual Court there shall lie a prohibition because saith he an action of debt lieth at the Common Lawe I make this a seueral cause and reason from the former because an othe may grow vpon a Temporall matter which was the former cause and yet none action lie for it And if I promise without any consideration to giue you twentie pounds and binde it with a voluntarie othe it seemeth the Common Lawe will holde it still but pro nudo pacto and so giue none action at all But some occasion is giuen vnto me to thinke that courts Ecclesiasticall de facto howsoeuer de iure helde plea of breach of othe and of faith falsified which 1 Lyndw. in cap. aeterâ—…ae sanctio verbo fidei transgressione de poenis amounteth to asmuch in some respects as breach of a corporall othe euen when such othe or faith voluntarie taken was for confirming of a matter Temporall For this I finde not onely before the Writ was framed de recognitionibus per sacrament a non faciendis de catallis debitis quae non sunt de testamento vel matrimonio but afterwarde also and that aswel by iudgement as by opinions deliuered and reported for booke cases albeit with certaine cautions which shall by the way be touched First then that Ecclesiastical Courtes handled this cause long afore that Writte was deuised I finde in a 2 Prou. Constitutio 〈◊〉 sanctio de poenis Prouinciall Constitution made at a Synode holden at Lambhith vnder Boniface then Archbishop of Canterburie in the time of King Henrie the third Anno Christi 1260. which constitution I doe alleadge not as being of force now for the purport thereof because it aimeth at the bridling of the Kings Prerogatiue and of his Temporall Courtes but thereby historically to shewe what was then held and practised vsually The effect of it to this purpose is that whereas Prelats doe take Conisance of sinnes and of misdemeanours of such as be vnder their Iurisdiction as of Periurie or breache of faith of Sacriledge of violation of Church liberties for infringing of which euen by the Kings Charter graunted to the Church of England such disturbers doe fall into Excommunication ipso facto and of such like causes which be meerely of Ecclesiastical Conisance yet are prohibitions directed foorth out of the Kings Court and Iudges Ecclesiasticall are called thither to answere as if they delt not concerning Periurie and breach of faith but suggesting that they deale touching chattels Therefore a little after is added this viz. 3 Dicta Prou. Const. And if perhaps the King in his attachements prohibitions and summons shall make mention not of Tithes but of right of Patronage not of faith falsified or periury but of Chattelles not of sacrilege or disturbance of ecclesiasticall liberties but of some trespasse pretended to be done by his subiects or bailiffes the â—…edresse whereof belongeth vnto him then let the Prelates aforesaid make knowen vnto him that they holde no plea neither intend to do concerning right of Patronage or chattelles or any other things belonging to his court but concerning tithes sinnes and other meere spirituall matters belonging to their office and iurisdiction and tonching the safety of mens soules c. So that the trueth of such allegation being manifested to the king they thought the plea sound and sufficient to obteinea discharge from such prohibitions c. if they were in those respects onely granted Yea and Lindwood who writ anno 1423 and long after that writ was framed who also by reason he was Officiall principall of Canterbury or Deane of the Arches had good experience in these causes maketh no 1 Lindw ibidem V. periurio doubt but that matter of periury or of breach of faith arising vpon what cause soeuer so farre foorth as it concerneth doubt whether such oath were lawfull or not and doe binde in conscience or not is of ecclesiasticall conisance And therefore teacheth how the libell in that case is to be framed that no cause of prohibition be giuen viz. the partie hath damnably broken his oath made for payment of so much money vnlawfully pretending that hee is not thereby bound or tied The statute Circumspecte agatis saith defamation shal be tried in a Spirituall court when money is not demanded but a thing done for punishment of the sinne and likewise for breaking an oath without distinction whether it arose of a temporall cause or not Since the said writ we haue a iudgement in the very point in the time 2 Lib. 22. Assis. fol. 70. of king Edward the third For if a man demand a debt of tenne pounds before the Ordinarie for that the defendant plight his faith to pay it c. and hath not payd it but broken his faith the Ordinarie cannot enioyne him to pay the debt for sauegard of his faith and if he do he doth it against the kings prohibition But he ought to enioyne him other corporall penance except the partie will willingly redeeme it For so Fitzherbert 3 Fitzherberts Abridgement tit Prohibition num 2. readeth those last wordes of exception more truely then my booke of Assises as it is printed carying indeed therein no sense at all The like appeareth in the reigne of king Henrie the sixt for there it 4 34. H. 6. 70. vt Brooke allegat tit Iurisdiction num 2. was holden that if a man buy an horse of me and sweare vpon the Euangelists to pay me ten pounds for him such a day and pay it not I shall haue action of debt at the Common law and also a citation pro laesione fidei at the Spirituall law and shall not therein offend the Common law because they are diuers things As for opinions afterward we finde it was held by Brian and Litleton in the time of K. Edward the fourth none there gainsaying it that 1 M. 20. Ed. 4. foâ—… 10. in laesione fidei arising vpâ—… a temporall matter the Spirituall court might punish it ex officio but not at the suite of the party To the same purpose also Mordant said in the time of K. Henrie the seuenth 2 T. 12. H. 7. fol. 22. that if a man be sued in a Court ecclesiasticall by a party pro laesione fidei in not paying a summe of money promised there shall lie a prohibition but if the Iudge ecclesiasticall shall do it ex officio then no prohibition shall lie which no man gainsaid or impugned These two opinions lest they should seeme to crosse the former iudgement in the booke of
contradiction alwayes yeelded to be of ecclesiasticall conusance For being such matters as subiects haue a right vnto and yet no writ lying therefore as I take it at the Common law which 1 Stat. de Consultatione 24. Edw. 1. reason is the ground in statute for granting consultations and of leauing causes of that nature to the determination of an Ecclesiasticall court it will therefore follow that these also doe belong to iurisdiction ecclesiasticall But touching Clerkes wages called in the Prouinciall constitutions eleemosynae consuetae and in the Register conteined vnder the generall word of Largitiones charitatiuae I haue incidently spoken in this chapter afore There remaine yet some offences set out by me to be of Ecclesiasticall conusance which I finde not hitherto so auouched to be by any writer of the Common law yet are they so holden by the law Ecclesiasticall and by vsuall practice also without any prohibition or other impeachment The first 2 c. dura c. falsariorum de crimine falsi of them is forgerie in an ecclesiasticall mattter or the vsing and setting out of forged letters knowing them to be such as of letters testimonialles of orders taken of institution and such like Next is the burying in vsuall buriall for other Christians of 1 c. quicumque de haeret in 6. notorious Heretickes or of persons dying excommunicated and without repentance thereof Thirdly willing 2 c. si concubinae de sent excom and familiar cōuersing with persons whom they knowe to be excommunicated matori excommunicatione Fourthly 3 Bald. in ca. cōuentic de pace iureiurando firmanda frequenters of conuenticles which doth also come vnder schisme Lastly vnlawfull 4 Extrau detestandae de sepultura digging vp of corpses buried either vpon spite or in any other sinister respect whatsoeuer I haue hitherto stoode vpon matters wherein Ordinaries by Law may hold plea to shew thereby that they may cite in other causes then Testamentarie or Matrimoniall For deale in them or handle them they could not vnlesse the party which is pretended to offer the wrong or to be the offendour might be conuented which is by citation Therefore besides the authorities here and there in the former discourse falling in by other occasions which might sufficiently prooue that they may cite and compell men to come before them I will now briefly vse some further direct proofe to conuince that in other causes then those two men may be cited before Iudges Ecclesiasticall It appeareth by Articuli Cleri that for any matter Ecclesiasticall indefinitely men might be cited For vpon doubt mooued whether the Kings tenants were subiect thereto in such sort as others are it is decreed that 5 Artic. Cleri 9. Ed. 2. ca. 12. such as holde of the Kings tenure may bee cited before their Ordinaries and may bee excommunicate for their manifest contumacie and after 40. dayes may bee attached by the Kings Writte as others The 6 23. H. 8. c. 9. preamble of another statute proueth Citations euen of men wiues seruants and other the kings subiects for diffamations and tithes so they be vpon iust matter and in due order to be lawfull The body of that statute 7 Ibidem prouideth that no Citation be made out of the Dioecesse c. where the partie dwelleth but where some Spirituall Offence or Cause is committed or done c. so that à contrario sensu in any other offence or cause Spiritual as very many are afore proued to be any subiect may be cited within his or her Dioecesse and in those also there excepted may be cited out of the Dioecesse Likewise 8 Ibidem for Heresie the Archbishop of Canterbury may cite any of his Prouince if the immediate Ordinarie doe consent or do not his dutie In a statute 9 32. H. 8. cap. 7. made for tythes any man withholding them shall be conuented according to the Ecclesiasticall Lawes And there is also mentioned Compulsorie Processe and censures of the Church In a statute 1 1. Ed. 6. ca. 2. of King Edward the sixt though for the body thereof it be repealed yet thereby is testified that summons and citations be Processe Ecclesiasticall in all suites and causes of instance betwixt party and party and in all causes of correction Therefore seeing there is no colour that onely Ecclesiasticall persons shall fall out to be deteiners of such dueties Ecclesiasticall or that they onely will proue offenders in the crimes afore recited neither can all the Kings tenants nor yet men wiues seruants and other subiects be entended for the most part to be other then Lay persons we may safely conclude that not only in causes Testamentarie or Matrimoniall but in very many other afore noted any subiect whosoeuer may be cited before his Ordinarie or other competent Iudge Quoderat probandum as being the very contradictorie of the opinion that we are in handling CHAP. XI That Lay men may be cited and vrged to take othes in other causes then Testamentary or Matrimoniall THe thirde opinion nowe followeth which is that by the Lawes of the Realme no Layman ought to be summoned or cited to make or take as I thinke is meant an othe in any other cause then Testamentary or Matrimoniall This differeth from the former in two points The first is in the partie to be cited For the second opinion was that none whosoeuer including both Ecclesiasticall and Lay where as this is onely that no Lay man may be cited c. The second difference is in the end of the citation For here is said a lay man may not be cited to take an oth in any other cause thereby leauing as it might seeme the Ordinary at large to vrge persons ecclesiastical to take an othe in other causes also But all comes to one ende For if neither Lay nor Ecclesiasticall as the second opinion holdeth may be cited in any other cause then cannot Ecclesiasticall men be cited in any other cause to take an othe That which cannot be done at all cannot be done for any ende non entis nullae sunt qualitates so that both these runne to one point sauing that hereby is affirmed a citation may not be made to the intent a Lay man shall take an othe sauing in those two cases Now if this citing be meant of the partie defendant then doth it not impugne any proceeding ecclesiasticall in vse for the partie conuented is not cited ad subeundum iuramentum but ad respondendum tali in causa decimarum c. faciendum vlteriùs quod iuris fuerit rationis If it be meant of witnesses neither are they cited against their will not so much as in Testamentarie or Matrimoniall causes or any other to appeare till faith be made by the partie or by some other for him that they take them to be necessary witnesses for to testifie in that cause and that being required and their reasonable charges offered them
very Temporal causes themselues whereupon such faith or othe was confirmatorie If saith a Constitution 1 CoÌ„stit aeternae sanctio de poenisin Concilio apud Lambhith sub Bonifacio Anno 1260. tempore Henrici 3. Prouinciall of Canterbury perhaps our Lord the King in his Attachments prohibitions summons shall make mention not of tithes but of right of Patronage not of breach of faith or periurie but of chattels not of Sacrilege or disturbance of liberties Ecclesiasticall but of trespasses of his subiects the correction of which he affirmeth doth belong to him then let the aforesaid Prelats make known vnto him that they neither take conisance nor minde to doe touching Patronage chattels or other things belonging to his Courts but of tithes sinnes and other causes meere Spiritual belonging to their Office and Iurisdiction Whereby we first gather that the Common Law herein was not then resolutely agreed vpon in that they conceiued this allegation touching faith broken and periury would satisfie the King and his Courts And secondly that the Kings Writs of prohibition and Attachement in this behalfe were then awarded but for faith and othes made concerning goods and chattels because by that pretence the conisance of chattels was drawen into Ecclesiasticall Courtes I do finde in an old written parchment booke of statutes reaching downe but to H. 5. death many matters of marke conteined amongs the statutes As among others there be regiae consuetudines apud Claringdon promulgatae which as is there rehearsed were by K. Henry the second propounded in Parliament vnto Thomas Becket then Archbishop of Canterbury long before that Prouinciall constitution Most of which he did condemne by his censure as preiudiciall to the liberties of the Church And this is said there to haue bene the originall cause first of his banishment and afteâ— of his death But some of those customes Becket did tolerate whereof this is one seruing to our present purpose viz. Placita de debitis quae fide interposita debentur vel absque interpositione fidei sint in curia regis Hoc tolerauit At the ende of that Treatise it is saide that foure yeeres after Beckets death viz. 1174 of Christ the King repenting himselfe did together with the Prelates and greatmen of his kingdome abrogate and condemne those euill and vniust customes appointing onely those that were good to be thencefoorth obserued Yet saith he some of those that were so abrogated by the king and condemned by the Church are still obserued in the kingdome If this be with the kings knowledge and allowance let the King looke to it for God knoweth it The chiefe cause why I note it is this that it was euen then thought a Custome of the Realme and by Becket himselfe allowable and tolerable that Pleas of debts though faith or othe were giuen for their payment belonged to the Kings temporall Courtes Next is that hence may be gathered how the Recognitions and othes forbidden to be made in Courts Ecclesiasticall by the Writs which we here dispute of are to be vnderstood of such of them onely as concerne debts or chattels sauing that in causes Testamentary and Matrimoniall onely they may be there made and acknowledged albeit they concerne debts and chattels It may also appeare euidently that the Recognitions forbidden to be made in Courts Ecclesiasticall in any cause sauing of Testament or Matrimony ought to be vnderstoode of Recognitions and othes about debts and chattels For lightly in euery place where these two matters of Testament and matrimony are spoken of there also debts and chattels are spoken of to this effect that in these two cases Pleas of debts and chattels may be handled in Courts Ecclesiasticall but in none other Bracton who wrote before this Writte was framed saith 1 Bracton lib. 5. cap. 2. thus Si Clericus petat versus Clericum vel Laicum debitum quod non sit de Testamento vel Matrimonio sequi debet forum Laicale And 1 Ibidem againe a litle after Non pertinet ad regem cognoscere de catallis quae sunt de Testamento vel Matrimonio Likewise in a precedent of a prohibition he 2 Ibidem lib. 5. cap. 3. cap. 10. 13. vseth this addition Nec teneatis placitum in curia Christianitatis de catallis vel debitis quae non sunt ex Testamento vel Matrimonio In the 3 Prohib Consul nu 3. 7. booke of Entrees the like is often found as Attachiatus fuit ad respondendum tam Domino regiquà m N. de placito quare secutus est placitum versus eum in curiae Christianitatis de catallis debitis quae non sunt de Testamento vel Matrimonio And in a 4 Consultat 2. copie of Consultation there callidè machinans impedire suggerénsque in Cancellaria nostra ipsum tractum fuisse in placitum coram vobis in curia Christianitatis de catallâ—…s debitis quae non erant de Testamento vel Matrimonio c. Yea and in 5 Register Ibidem tit Prohibitiones the Register it is set downe more plaine a great deale in a copie at large of a Prohibition vpon the same point and with the same causes excepted being the next following to that which wee principally doe here treate of For the very worde of Recognitio before an Ordinary is there vsed and applied to a debt or contract touching goods and chattels Cum recognitiones debitorum quae non sunt de Testamento vel Matrimonio ad nos coronam dignitatem nostram non ad alios pertineant in regno nostro executiones earundem per nos ministros nostros non per alios fieri debeant ac iam ex querela I. acceperimus quod vos ipsum I. ad viginte solidos quos coram vobis nuper in curia Christianitatis recognouit se debere A. eidem A. soluendos intra certum tempus iam praeteritum monuistis in ipsum I. pro eo quod praedictos viginti solidos intra tempus praedictum ad monitionem vestram soluere recusauit quanquam huiusmodi recognitio Testamentum vel Matrimonium non tangat c. excommunicationis sententiam fulminastis c. vobis prohibemus c. And the very like words to the same effect and with like exceptions are there vsed in the fiue precedents of Prohibitions next in order following And in the olde written Register afore spoken of there be many copies of Prohibitions set downe in all which whensoeuer that exception of causes Testamentary and Matrimonial is mentioned that clause de catallis debitis quae non sunt de testam c commeth in with all In the printed Register among the Writs Iudicial we haue these 1 Regist. in Br. Iudic. fol. 38. a. words Quare secuti sunt placitum in curia Christianitatis de catallis debitis quae non sunt de Testamento vel Matrimonio And againe 2 Ibid. fol. 39. a.
cruell mindes that they tyrannized in cruell maner that they forced men with rough and rigorous termes of disgrace reproch that they were mercilesse magistrates vsing sudden and raging committance that they promised in verbo sacerdotali if that be ought worth and he calleth them vnbridled Clergie men Pharisaicall Clergie men vniust lawlesse men with their bad practices and fond intentions mercilesse Ordinaries with their extraordinarie and lawlesse power their actions cruell and accursed dealings of Barbarous bloudy bishops murtherous mindes and intollerable iniquitie of bishops vsing a Barbarous course of inquisition He inueigheth also at large against their hypocrisie feined holinesse against their temporall possessions as the nurses of pride presumption and vaine pompe of the world Truly if this kinde of mislikers had that litle of temporalties which is still left how hūble they would be may iustly be doubted but I durst vndertake for them that they will vse no great pompe in hospitalitie nor in any thing els sauing in words Likewise against their ambition for he affirmeth that three Archb. inforced aboue the kings of the land against vsurping encroching vpon the kinges iurisdiction by Popish prelates to bring causes to their costly and lingering consistories against bringing in by them of forrein decrees corrupt canons and ceremonies of the accursed See of Rome against their claiming of exemption from taxes imposed by any other whomsoeuer then by the Popes authority and against certeine clergie men that in former times opposed themselues with great obstinacie against the paiment of a subsidie as if lay men had not done rebelliously as much as these did obstinately Against haughtie Hugh bishop of Lincolne who hee saith as a lusty champion of that irregular confederacy drew out his woodden dagger of excommunication against the kinges Iudges against a bishop of Winchester who was outlawed for a wilfull murther and a while refused the iudgement of the kings law against the Popes collectour who conuented the vicar of Saltash afore himselfe for breach of an othe giuen for strength of a bond against the Hospitallers and Templers who drew the kings subiects into suite before the conseruatour of their priuileges And against the proud prelate cardinall Woolseys court legatine and both his and Nixe the blinde bishop of Norwich his falling into praemunire for encroching vpon the kings iurisdiction Adding also a slie surmise of some other things in the times of Poperie to haue bene vsed which he doth but vainely imagine to be now practised by Commissioners Ecclesiasticall So that by this tricke of cunning conueyance he would induce and draw on his affectionate readers to beleeue the same to be now in all bishops present which was blame woorthie in any of their predecessours For his fauourers may not iudge that such a man as he would wander so farre wide as he doth from his purpose belike if these now do but any one action though neuer so iustifiable which the Papists haue done in times past they shall carry all the cōtumelies which they in any other respects haue either worthely or vnworthely deserued Whether this be a direct Christian course euery one that is in any place of iustice shall most sincerely discerne which will but consider with himselfe how vnequall he would iudge it to bee to haue his owne honestie discretion loialtie and religion measured and esteemed of according to the actions of the worst men that euer afore occupied the same place that he now doeth Vnto the third point which is reuiling of proceedings Ecclesiasticall in this behalfe all such speeches of his as these following doe appertaine of the whole Canon lawe indistinctlie and generally he speaketh thus that they be lawes and ordinances contumelious against God iniurious to Magistrates and especially established to maintaine Antichristian tyrannie Of an Oath of purgation or an oath ministred to answere in some cases vnto Articles and interrogatories criminall he saieth It is against law and reason an intollerable error and disorder a fowle and great abuse hard and vniust dealing vndiscreete vniust and vnlawfull forcing offensiue proceeding vsurped officious power and licentious pleasure contrarie to all due course of Iustice a violent course of iniurious inquisition examination and of wrested oaths a lawlesse proceeding which the Iustice of the land detesteth that they be vniust oaths and full of iniquitie strange oaths strong purgations not healthfull but hurtful poisoning purgations giuen for preseruatiues Catholique oaths a vicious and lawlesse inquisition and lastly a prophane and more then heathenish Inquisition The fourth point concerneth his vntrue and slanderous accusations of their proceedings who be Iudges Ecclesiastical as where he saieth that such generall oaths viz. as afore hath bene touched when I spake of the issue mistaken are exacted none accusation suite lawfull information presentment or inditement iudiciallie preceding that the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners terme themselues high and supreme Commissioners that it is exacted by euery ecclesiasticall Iudge to satisfie his iealous suspicion of any crime to appose by othe and compell men to their purgation or vpon euery bare surmise and vncertaine rumour that by the like reason vnto the practise of this othe there should bee erected a court of Inquisition more then Spanish to sift and ransacke by othe most secret thoughts That the Interrogatories vsed by Ecclesiasticall Iudges are not certaine but doe foolishly wander at the doubtfull will of a slie and subtill apposer that hauing snared the sillie subiect they doe either against lawe enforce him to accuse himselfe of his most secrete thoughts or contrarie to Christian charitie yea humanitie constraine him to answere against his naturall parents c. And that in defence of these abuses diuers euen of the learned sorte doe great violence to the Statute 1. Eliz. cap. 1. wresting the same to a wrong sense all which are verie calumnious accusations The fifth and last point of his lauish and loose speeches concerneth the impieties dangers and penalties wherewith he chargeth all that haue delt in any such Ecclesiastical cause As first that it is a great and prophane abuse of the holie name and maiestie of God that Gods sacred institution is thereby greatlie peruerted that it is hurtful to the Church and common weale that it is a great indignitie to the Crowne that they vsurpe conisance of pleas that they doe no lesse-then Thorpe sometime chiefe Iustice did who as much as in him lay broke the oath which the king is bound to keepe towardes the people that they are violaters of the king and iniurious dealers against his Regalitie Crowne and kingdome nay rather laie violent handes on him impugne his royall throne and scepter contrarie to the policie Iustice lawes customes and freedomes of this kingdome yea contrarie to the lawe of God it selfe that hereby they impugne the royall prerogatiues vnited to the Crowne with the breach of their owne oaths especiallie if they haue taken the oath for the maintenance of the supremacie royall
againe to a pretie kind of pacification hold as wel as long as it shall But there is another partie also that perhaps will venture to rip vp agayne the seames of this greene peace if hee may not in some sort bee satisfied For there came vnto mine handes a good while after the former Treatise certaine briefe Notes without discourse that are deliuered abroad into many hands by writing being commended to be gathered by a man of great reading and iudgement in Diuinitie I awe and in what not It beareth this title Notes to prooue the proceeding ex Officio and the oath and subscription which are now required to be against the word of God the ancient Fathers and Canons of the Church and the lawes liberties and customes of the realme of England the proceeding of Office and the oath required though hee telleth not how he conceiues it to bee required as the Treatiser did doe both fall into this disputation which we haue in hand As for the subscription vpon other occasion that may hereafter elsewhere be debated The seuerall points which in respect of the two former hee handleth are by himselfe distributed and sorted into these seuerall heads viz. First testimonies out of ancient Fathers that do mislike the proceeding ex Officio and oath now vsed Secondly English Martyrs that haue refused and misliked the oath now vsed Thirdly the proceeding against heretikes in Englād without exacting an oath c Fourthlie the Canon lawe teaching Inquisition and proceeding ex officio by oath Fiftly another order of proceeding but yet in causa fidei and not otherwise Sixtlie the bishops proceedings contrarie Seuenthly the lawes of England Eightlie the maner of the reuocation of the proceeding ex officio in king Henry the 8. time Ninthly the maner of debating of that cause in those dayes 10. Sir Thomas Mores reasons for maintenance of proceeding ex Officio the oath with summarie answeres to them 11. And lastly Inconueniences which come by the vse ex Officio contrary to the common lawe For proofe of some of which especially the first he is so plentifull in quotation onely of places without rehearsing their sayings out of the ancient Fathers counsels c. that for mine owne part I must confesse that vpon the first view of their names in his moster booke I was greatly astonished least I had too resolutelie defended a matter against such an armie of ancient Fathers and as it were against the generall consent of the olde Primitiue Church from which I meane not God willing casilic or rashlie to swarue But when I had approched neerer I well discerned this my feare to be all in vayne in that they had neither banner displaied nor weapons bent against this cause but rather against the faces of the aduersaries thereof as may plainelie appeare in the seuerall opportune places of this simple Discourse ensuing I may well resemble this dealing of the Note-gatherer vnto yong setters vp in London as Apothecaries and such like that be not at first well stored with stuffe who to furnish vp their shoppes vnto the best shewe are woont oftentimes to embellish them with good numbers of painted gallie pots boxes and glasses intituled on the outside euen with golden letters sometimes of such precious Waters Oyles Simples and other drugges of medicine which they neuer smelt of because such neuer came within them And perhaps I should saue him from suspicion of a greater fault that is eyther want of iudgement or of wilfull peruerting of the ancient Fathers if I should freelie deliuer my conceite in this behalfe which is that his leisure serued him not to looke what was indeede contained in those places which there hee quoteth but that hee did set them downe vpon trust out of the Pies or Indices of the sayd seuerall bookes wheresoeuer the bare wordes of Inquisition of Accusing of Oath or of Swearing was found For I dare auowe that hee which shal read thē in the Authors themselues will iudge that many of them were gathered together in condemnatiō of taking any oath at all an errour holden by the Anabaptists albeit being truely vnderstood according to the circumstances the places serue neither the one turne nor the other rather then that by any colour they may be wrested to speake either against oathes ministred in causes criminall or against proceeding by Iudges of Office Let thus much therefore if it be not too much suffice to haue deliuered in some generalitie touching the said Treatise and Notes both which are vndertaken for the whole substance of them to be here and there answered in this simple discourse ensuing THE CONTENTS OF the seuerall Chapters of the First part 1 THat a seuerall royall assent is not required to the executing of euery particular Canon 2 The particular distribution of all other causes to be proued to be of Ecclesiasticall conusance besides Testamentarie or Matrimoniall with a discourse of bishops certificates against persons excommunicated being a speciall point of their voluntarie iurisdiction where there is no partie which prosecuteth 3 That matters in the former chapter adioyned to Testamentarie Matrimoniall causes though properly they be not of Testament or Matrimony are of Ecclesiasticall conusance and how farre 4 Generall proofs out of statutes that sundry other causes besides Testamentarie or Matrimoniall are of Ecclesiasticall conusance 5 That suites for title of Benefices vpon voidance or spoliation likewise that suites for tithes oblations mortuaries c. for pensions procurations c. are of Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction is prooued by statutes especially 6 That suites for right of tithes belong to the Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction and how farre is shewed out of the books and reports of the Common law so of places of buriall and Churchyardes and of pensions mortuaries oblations c. 7 Of right to haue a Curate and of contributions to reparations and to other things required in Churches 8 Proofes in generall that sundry crimes and offences are punishable by Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction and namely idolatrie heresie periurie or laesio fidei and how farre the last of these is there to be corrected also of disturbance of diuine seruice or not frequenting of it and neglect of the Sacraments 9 That Simony Vsury defamation or slander beating of a Clerke sacriledge brawling or fighting in Church or Churchyarde dilapidations or waste of an Ecclesiasticall liuing and all incontinency are punishable by ecclesiasticall authority and how farre 10 That the matters and crimes here reckoned be also of ecclesiasticall iurisdiction and proofes that any subiects lay or other may be cited in any cause ecclesiasticall 11 That lay men may be cited and vrged to take oathes in other causes then Testamentarie or Matrimoniall 12 The grounds of the two next former opinions examined and confuted 13 That iudgement of heresie still remaineth at the Common law in iudges ecclesiasticall and that the prouiso touching heresie in the statute 1. Eliz. cap. 1. is onely spoken of ecclesiasticall commissioners
5 44. Ed. 3. 33. benefice a man is to be sued in Court Christian. But this lieth not but where a Clerke is in as an incumbent for if he be in as an vsurper of the Church being full or as a trespasser there lieth action of trespasse and not spoliation But if two 6 38. H. 6. 19. incumbents be in and the one claimeth by one patrone and the other by another there lieth no spoliation but where both claime to be in by one patrone or by meanes of one patrone then lieth action of spoliation and not otherwise For where the right of Aduouson may come in questiō there lieth no spoliation for that cannot goe to a Spirituall Court And againe a litle after 7 38. H. 6. 20. Spoliation and debate vpon an appropriation shal be determined in the Spirituall Court Touching tithes where they are to be sued it appeareth by actes of Parliament thus The 1 13. Ed. 1. ca. 5. Westm. 2. plea for tithes shall passe in the court Christian as farre foorth as it is derained in the Kings court In the next Kings 2 9. Ed. 2. ca. 1. Artic. Cleri dayes thus In tithes oblations obuentions mortuaries sithence they are proposed vnder these names the Kings prohibition shal holde no place 3 Ibidem cap. 5. And againe the Kings prohibition shal not lie for tithes of a Mill newly erected Likewise in the dayes of K. Richard the 2. it is thus 4 1. Ric. 2. ca. 13. conteined in a statute The Clergie complaine for that the people of holy Church pursuing in the spiritual court for their tithes and their other causes which of right ought and of olde times were woont to perteine to the spirituall court and that the Iudges of holy Church hauing conisance in such causes and other persons thereof medling according to the lawe be malitiously endited c. and by secular power oppressed and be forced by oathes obligations and many vndue meanes compelled to ceasse vtterly against the liberties franchises of holy Church It is enacted that such obligations made by violence should be voide and the enditors of malice when the enditees be acquit should incurre the paine of those that procure false appeales c. Likewise the preamble of a 5 23. H. 8. ca. 9. statute in K. Hen. the 8. dayes doeth argue that matters of tithes are to be heard and determined by Iudges Ecclesiasticall The same is also proued by that where in 6 24. H. 8. ca. 12. another statute it is said thus Inconueniences haue arisen by reason of appeales out of the Realme to the See of Rome in causes testamentarie causes of matrimonie and diuorces right of tithes oblations and obuentions And in 7 27. H. 8. ca. 20. the preamble of another statute Deteiners of tithes pursuing such their detestable enormities and iniuries haue attempted in late time past to disobey contemne and despise the processe lawes and decrees of the ecclesiasticall courtes of this Realme in more temerous and large manner then before this time hath bin seene And therefore it 8 Ibidem was then enacted that for subtraction of tithes offerings and other dueties of holy Church the partie grieued may by due processe of the kings ecclesiasticall lawes of the Church of England conuent the person offending before the Ordinarie and also compell him to yeelde their saide duties And likewise for any his contempt disobedience or other misdemeanor vpon complaint to any of the Counsell or to two Iustices of the peace to haue him committed vntill he shall be bound to giue due obedience to the processe proceedings decrees and sentences of the ecclesiasticall court of this Realme And 1 32 H. 8. ca. 7. afterward by another statute of the same King it is enacted that for denying to set out tithes for deteining withholding or refusing to paye tithes or offerings Ordinaries may proceede according to the course and processe of the ecclesiasticall lawes And in the 2 Ibidem preamble thereof it is directly affirmed that by order of the common lawes of this Realme a man cannot haue any due remedie against deteiners of tithes And the 3 2. Ed. 6. ca. 13. like also appeareth by the statute of tithes made in K. Edwardes reigne That which is afore affirmed and determined concerning tithes oblations obuentions and mortuaries may likewise be said of pensions portions corrodies procurations indemnities and other such dueties ecclesiasticall For it is enacted that 4 34. 35. H. 8. ca. 19. for these denied ecclesiasticall persons themselues may make such processe against the person denying or against the Church charged as heretofore they haue lawfully done and as by and according to the lawes and statutes of the Realme they nowe lawfully may doe And the person conuict according to the ecclesiasticall lawes shall pay to the plaintife the things recouered and his costes CHAP. VI. That suites forright of tithes belong to the ecclesiastical Iurisdiction and how farre is shewed out of the bookes and reportes of the cōmon lawe so of places of buriall and Church-yardes and of Pensions Mortuaries Oblations c. THe reportes of iudgements and opinions of the Courtes at the Common lawe conteyned in the bookes of termes and yeeres called booke-cases and other treatises of that lawe are no lesse plaine pregnant in this matter An 5 M. 44. Edw. 3. fol. 32. attachement vpon a prohibition was sued against a plaintife in a Court Ecclesiasticall surmising that he did sue there for hay and money which touched neither matrimony nor testament but vpon shewing the libel which proued it was for tithes oblations a consultation was granted for the spiritual court to proceede And 6 M. 22. Ed. 4. fol. 24. passim alibi where the right of tithes is in question it is triable in the Court spiritual Likewise 7 38. H. 6. fol. 21. so soone as it appeareth that the right of tithes comes in debate the Lay court shal cease shal be out of iurisdiction quod fuit concessum The same is testified in the booke of Assises 1 22. Assis. fol. 75. For if the Kings patentee of tythes renewing in a Forrest that is in no Parish in which case the tythes doe belong to the King haue cause to sue any that ought to yeelde tythes and ought to seuer them from the nine partes such suite shall goe to the spirituall Court In the booke of Entrees in the precedent of a 2 Prohibition consultation 2. consultation graunted it is thus said In causis de decimis de testamento velmatrimonio quando sub eo nomine proponuntur prohibitioni Regiae non est locus And so 3 Bracton lib. 5. cap. 2. Bracton saith Non pertinet ad Iudicem secularem cognoscere de ijs quae sunt spiritualibus annexa sicut de decimis alijs Ecclesiae prouentibus 4 Bracton lib. 5. cap. 16. And againe afterward Mutatur
drawe it to the Common lawe it should seeme by all reason of his owne nature to be a matter belonging to the conusance of a court ecclesiasticall accordingly as alwayes without impeachment it hath bin vsed Yet I finde in the bookes of Common lawe that 3 22. H. 6. 32. an action of the case was mainteinable for not saying diuine seruice albeit it was there confessed to be a spirituall matter What the circumstances and cause thereof was that it was so ruled in that case Quaere It appeareth by the 4 Reg. pag. 56. a. Register that a prohibition being brought vpon a suite in court ecclesiasticall for withholding a Chauntery a consultation was after graunted whereby is affirmed that pro subtractione Cantariae debita punitione pro huiusmodi subtractione the suite belongeth to a court ecclesiasticall and the like therefore must needes be thought of a Chaplaine or Curate not found to say diuine seruice where it ought to be either by composition or by prescription But that parishioners ought to be contributories and may be cited in a cause of contribution towards the reparations of the body of the Church termed Nauis ecclesiae and to the charges of buying and furnishing other vtensiles ornaments and bookes required by lawe to be bought of the common charge doth appeare partly by the Register and partly by Fitzherbert in his noua natura breuium who doeth gather it thence For if saith he a 1 Fitzh no. na br tit Consult fol. 50. Bishop doe cite any of the parishioners of a Church to be contributorie to the reparations of the parish Church or of any Chappell annexed to it if the partie sue a prohibition directed to the Bishop surmising that he is impleaded touching lay fee in court Christian the Bishop shall haue a consultation vpon this matter shewed in the Chancerie on his behalfe And partly also by the Iniunctions which were set out by the Queenes Maiestie in the first yeere of her reigne and are vnder the great seale of England for better record of the matter her highnesse being thereunto authorised by acte of Parliament For in 2 Iniunctions published 1559. these are conteined sundry vtensiles ornaments bookes and other things that by the common cost of euery Parish shal be prouided and from time to time supplied and whether they be wanting or no is to be enquired by ecclesiastical Iudges and the obseruation of the Iniunctions is by them to be vrged against those that shall infringe any of them by processes and censures ecclesiasticall according to the course of that lawe And herein the Iniunctions followe but the Cōmon law For 3 Of the liberties of the Clergie by the lawes of the Realme if a terre-tenant holding land that hath vsually paid for such tenement a pound of waxe or such like vnto the Church doe withhold it the Church-wardens may sue him for it in a court eccles Also 4 Ibidem if a man that withholdeth Church goods doe by his last will enioyne his executours to make deliuerance any of the Parish may sue the executours for them in court ecclesiasticall For proceeding ecclesiastically against refusers to contribute vnto the reparations of the body of the Church there remaineth a iudgement in a consultation 5 Reg. pag. 45. 2. recorded in the Register to this effect viz. vobis significamus quod super reparatione emendatione defectuum corporis ecclesiae iuxta consuetudinem approbatam facienda procedere poteritis ea facere quae ad forum ecclesiasticum noueritis pertinere dicta prohibitione non obstante And by reason of defectes in reparations of a Church money it selfe may lawfully be sued for in a court ecclesiastical as 6 Reg. pag. 48. 2. appeareth by another consultatiō in the Register And so is it also prouided by statute in this behalfe amongst other things viz. 7 Circumspectè agatis 13. Ed. 1. Prelates may punish for leauing Churchyards vnclosed or for that the Church is vncouered or not conuentently decked in which cases none other penance can be enioyned but pecuniarie CHAP. VIII Proofes in generall that sundry crimes and offences are punishable by ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction and namely idolatrie heresie periurie or laesio fidei and howe farre the last of these is there to be corrected also of disturbance of diuine seruice or not frequenting of it and neglect of the Sacraments LAstly doe followe the testimonies of the lawes of the Realme for proofe that many crimes also and offences are punishable by iurisdiction ecclesiasticall and first in generall then in particular for sundry of them The King writ thus to his Iudges 1 Statut. Circumspectè agatis 13. E. 1. vse your selues circumspectly in all matters concerning the Bishop of Norwich his Clergie not punishing them if they holde plea in court Christian of such things as be meerely spirituall that is to wit of penance enioyned for mortall sinne c. In hospitals 2 2. H. 5. ca 1. that be of any others foundation then the Kings it is enacted that Ordinaries shall enquire of the foundation erection and gouernance of them and of all other matters necessary in that behalfe and thereupon make thereof correction and reformation after the lawes of holy Church as to them belongeth In the statute of Citation it is permitted that a man may 3 23. H. 8. ca. 9. be cited out of the Dioeces where he dwelleth when some spirituall offence or cause is committed and done or omitted neglected or foreslowed to be done by some hauing spirituall iurisdiction In a statute of K. Edward the 6. 4 1. Ed. 6. cap. 2. Causes of correction be reckoned as ecclesiasticall which statute though it be repealed for the principall purport there of being touching Ordinaries seales and names not to be vsed any more in their citations and processes yet it bringeth sufficient euidence that sundry matters of correction be of ecclesiasticall iurisdiction And so Bracton testifieth that it was vsed and holden in his time for he saith In 5 Bracton lib. 5. cap. 2. causis spiritualibus vel spiritualitati annexis vt si propeccato vel transgressione fuerit poenitentia iniungenda iudex ecclesiasticus habet cognitionem quia non pertinet ad regem iniungere poenitentias nec ad iudicem Secularem The sundry consultations set downe in the Register do shewe that whē the proceeding is ad correctionem animae for some sinne not punishable in the Temporall Court the conisance is Ecclesiasticall One 1 Regist. 45. a. b. example shall suffice viz. Nolumus cognitionem ecclesiasticam in ijs quae ad forum ecclesiae maximè ad correctionem animae pertinent contra iustitiam impedire But to descend to more particulars and first concerning those which are contrary Pietati in Deum That idolatrie is punishable by Iurisdiction ecclesiasticall appeareth by the statute 2 5. Eliz. cap. 23. De excommunicato capiendo afore alleaged and touching Heresie
assises and the other booke case of 34. H. 6. both which admit a party to sue in the Court ecclesiasticall do seeme to me only therefore to reiect a partie and to require proceeding ex officio Iudicis because it was presumed that a party would not prosecute to haue the sinne alone punished but rather for satisfaction of the thing promised to him Yet this in truth may be otherwise by the law ecclesiasticall So that vpon all that which hath herein bin last spoken it might probably seeme to some that punishment of periury or breach of faith euen arising vpon a temporall cause should be still by the Common law of ecclesiasticall conisance so that penance for the sinne be but enioyned and no temporall amends required which doubt is to be referred to the reuerend Iudges resolutions That disturbance of diuine seruice is also punishable by iurisdiction ecclesiasticall the statute thereof made in the time 3 1. Mar. cap. 3. of Q. Marie doth prooue for though it do prouide punishment temporall therefore yet it reserueth the iurisdiction that Ordinaries had for punishment thereof by lawes ecclesiasticall Not to frequent or come to diuine seruice at times appointed is declared to be subiect to proceeding and censures ecclesiasticall aswell as to other punishments by the statute 4 1. Eliz. cap. 2. for Vniformitie of Common prayer and so is both that and neglect of the Sacraments by the statute De excommunicato capiendo heeretofore often alleged prooued to be of Ecclesiasticall conusance Long afore that statute vpon a prohibition brought a consultation 1 Reg. pag. 50. a. b. was granted whereby the Ordinaries proceeding ex officio against one that refused to receiue the Communion is allowed and warranted And so doth the litle 2 Goodall of the liberties of the Clergie Treatise of the liberties of the Clergie report this offence to be of Ecclesiasticall conusance Thus much touching offences ecclesiasticall being referred to impietie towards God CHAP. IX That simony vsury defamation or slander beating of a Clerke sacrilege brauling or fighting in Church or Churchyard dilapidations or waste of an Ecclesiasticall liuing and all incontinencie are punishable by Ecclesiasticall authority and how farre AMongst such crimes as be offences against iustice I do place simony first as participating also not a litle with the former sort yet rightly sorted hither because it is as a buying and selling of such things as be not in trueth res mancipi as the olde Romanes spake things lying not in commerce betweene men to be bought and solde This fault the said 3 Ibid. in fine statute De excommunicato capiendo sheweth to be punishable by iurisdiction ecclesiasticall That vsurie is likewise it doth appeare by authoritie of diuers Parliaments The king and his 4 15. E. 3. cap. 5. shall haue the conusance of the vsurers dead and the Ordinaries of holy church shall haue the conusance of vsurers on liue as to them apperteineth to make compulsion by the censures of holy church for the sinne and to make restitution of the vsuries taken against the lawes of holy church By annother later act made against vsurie 5 11. H. 7. cap 8. there are reserued to the spiritnall iurisdiction their lawfull punishments in euery cause of vsury And so is it expresly also mentioned in the aforenamed statute De excommunicato capiendo but this iurisdiction is since somewhat restreined because 6 13 Eliz. cap. 8. vsurie can not now therby be punished nor corrected except it reach aboue the rate of tenne in the hundred by yere By a consultation in the 7 Reg. pag 49. b. Register which was granted in allowance of proceeding against one for his vsury it is thus sayd in this behalfe Quta in articulis Cleri continetur quòd si Praelati imponant alicui poenitentiam pro peccato prohibitioni nostrae non est locus vobis significamus quòd ad correctionem animae praefati S. in hac parte viz. pro vsura dum tamen nihil aliud attentetis quod cedat in laesionem dignitatis nostrae in curia Christianitatis procedere poteritis prohibitione nostra non obstante But this fault sinne of Vsurie is mixti fori that is to say in some respect is of temporall in other regard of eccllesiasticall conisance not only by the statutes of the Realme as you haue heard but also euen by the law ciuill albeit in a diuers sort For in countreyes where that law hath place if it be 1 D D. in l. Titia ff soluto matrimonio called in question whether a contract be vsurarious or not the court ecclesiasticall doth determine this but for to pronounce such a contract void and to execute that sentence belongeth to a temporall court For cause of defamation it is 2 Stat. circumsp agatis 13. Ed. 1. recorded by an olde statute that it is alreadie granted it shall be tried in a Spirituall court And againe In 3 Artic. cleri 9. Ed. 2. cap. 4. defamation prelates shall correct by penance corporall the kings prohibition notwithstanding but if the offender will redeeme the penance with money the prelate may freely receiue the money though the kings prohibition be shewed By the preamble also of the statute for 4 23. H. 8. cap. 9. citations it is plainely argued that defamations belong to the comsance of iurisdiction ecclesiasticall so they be duely and according to law prosecuted Also by the bookes of Common law it appeareth throughout the arguments made in the great case of prohibition in the time of 5 T. 12. H. 7. fol. 22. Henry the seuenth that the suite for defamation belongeth to ecclesiasticall iurisdiction for there aswell by those Sergeants that stood against the consultation as the others and by the Iudges also that granted the consultation the originall cause being defamation it is yeelded that the punishment of slander or defamation is belonging to the Spirituall law Whereas there is a Prouinciall constitution that decreeth a slanderer or defamer of another to be ipso facto excommunicate this is allowed by 6 Reg. pag. 49. a consultation in the Register vnto a court ecclesiasticall And it is there added to this effect viz. Si in causa diffamationis ad poenam canonicam imponendam agatur tunc vlterius licitè facere poteritis quod ad forum ecclesiae noueritis pertinere prohibitione nostra non obstante One that sued 1 Reg. pag. 51. 2. another in a cause of diffamation in court ecclesiasticall was there condemned in expenses to the defendant who was absolued for that the plaintife failed in his proofes The plaintife to hinder the execution of the sentence and to escape without expenses procured a prohibition Yet vpon debating of the matter a Consultation was herein also awarded So that wee see both the Principall and the Accessarie cause to be of ecclesiasticall conisance If saieth 2 Liberties of the Clergie by the lawes of
they doe neuerthelesse without cause refuse to come and to testifie a trueth For then goeth a citation called Compulsories for them sub poena iuris to come and depose their knowledges in such a matter betwixt such parties So that the citation is not ad subeundum iuramentum albeit when they come they are not to set downe any deposition but vpon othe because it is iuris diuini naturalis gentium quòd non credatur testi iniurato Also the Authour of this opinion should haue done well to haue signified whether a Lay man being come thither without citation might then be vrged to take an othe Therefore if the Authour hereof wil hereby maintaine any controuersie against Courts Ecclesiasticall the issue must be either that to make the Defendant put in his answere vpon his othe so farre foorth as he by Lawe is bound or to make witnesses testifie vpon their othe is a thing contrary to the Lawes of the Realme But it appeareth by discourse vpon the former opinion in how many sundry causes of litigious Iurisdiction besides Testamentarie and Matrimoniall Ordinaries may holde Plea by the Lawes of this Realme according to the course of the Queenes ecclesiasticall Lawes That the ecclesiasticall Lawes doe require this course with the cautions aforesaide I thinke no man that knowes any thing in that Lawe will make doubt A Plea is a conflict in cause of Iudgement betwixt one that affirmeth and another that denieth There be but two wayes besides the parties confession which is not properly called a proofe to prooue any thing that is by witnesses or by a publicke instrument called by the Common Lawe matter of Record Now if witnesses might not be vrged to testifie vpon othe in any causes but Testamentarie or Matrimoniall then could no Plea be holden in any other cause when the chiefest and most vsuall meanes of proofe in recent facts be taken away This libertie and priuiledge of holding Plea in the causes afore shewed and in this maner as is now claimed 1 24. H. 8. c. 12. by the goodnes of Princes of this Realme and by the Lawes and customes of the same as a statute rehearseth appertaineth to the Spirituall Iurisdiction of this Realme and hath bene in all ages vsed in Courtes Ecclesiasticall without impeachment as by the Recordes thereof may appeare And therefore vpon any singular conceite newly taken vp by some priuate persons it is not safe to be nowe thus questioned and oppugned There is an olde Statute in force as I take it that may greatly bridle such newe quirkes except men were marueilous well assured of the groundes of so great and so generall an innouation For it is enacted that 2 15. Ed. 3. c. 3. great Officers about the King and in his Courtes of Iustice shall from time to time forwarde bee sworne when they shall be put in Office to keepe and mainteine the priuiledges and franchises of Holy Church c. Can it with any colour be intended that the Common Lawe doth allow Courts ecclesiastical to hold plea in those sundry other causes which we haue hitherto proued to be ecclesiasticall and yet that it wil not allow them any meanes or possibilitie whereby to hold such pleas For if no Lay man might be cited to an ecclesiasticall Court and there ordered to take othe in any other cause then those two then first the partie conuented if by Lawe he needed not would neuer answere to the Libel vpon his othe Yet hath this bene a course continually practised and by Lawe so appointed not onely in Ecclesiasticall but also in all Courtes of the Ciuill Lawe both here and throughout the rest of Christendome Againe if no Lay witnesses may be called to testifie in any other matter then should most men in those causes be hereby either quite foreclosed of their right and many grosse sinnes should passe wholly without reformation or punishment or else all such matters must needes be prooued onely by such witnesses that be of least indifferencie and therefore of least trueth and credite For those men be alwayes most indifferent which either be friendes or at least be no euill-willers to either partie Nowe seeing euery deposition must needes tende to the grieuance or hinderance of the one partie or the other can it be presumed of him which loues both and doth wish alike well vnto them that he will willingly and gratis without any processe come and depose and thereby doe one of his friendes a displeasure there resteth then that onely such will offer themselues to testifie who either be enemies vnto both or friendes to one and either enemies or strangres to the other and howe can these be vpright indifferent witnesses or else such who be meere strangers vnto both sides but it doth most rarely happen that meere strangers vnto both shal be able to depose any thing to purpose and more rare will it be that such will offer willingly of them selues to come in ad testificandum Besides these and many such like absurdities necessarily ensuing this opinion if it be yet still stoode in that the Common lawe permittes compulsion of lay men whether parties or witnesses to take othe in causes testamentarie and matrimoniall but denies it in all other cases let vs consider what may be imagined for a probable reasō of such differēce in proceeding betwixt causes that belong to the conisance of the selfe same courte For I haue read and often heard that the Common lawe is grounded vpon good and sound reason And it cannot be said in this case quamuis durum sit tamen ita lex scripta est for that this is no statute or written lawe but onely the reported opinion of one man whence all the rest haue since taken it Was it then meant to giue vnto subiects an ample meanes of comming by their rightes in these two causes but to restraine or debarre them in al other as namely for tithes and other rightes demaundable in ecclesiasticall courtes or was it the purpose of that lawe to haue men stand conuicted of most grieuous crimes that be of ecclesiasticall conisance as happely of Heresie being neither by them confessed nor yet proued by sincere and vpright witnesses but onely by such as doe thrust them selues in to beare witnesse whom not onely common speach but also sundry statutes doe terme Accusers and therefore doe hold at least for parties and men not indifferent May not many other ecclesiasticall causes be of as great importance preiudice as perhaps a will of goods vnder xl s. or a trifling legacie or a x. pound matter promised with a woman in mariage and if the law had bin so could no man hit of it from the Conquest vntill our fathers time when Fitzherbert writ his nouanatura breuiū was none of skil in Edw. the 1. time to put it into the statute of circūspectè agatis or in Ed. the 2. times to mention it in the statute of Articuli Cleri did none reade
either at her Highnesse pleasure destroyed or bestowed vpon the poore and the houses of attainted persons in treasons to the entent to haue them demolished and the trees about them to be rooted vp and so in this behalfe is also the law in France yet in frequent practices All which tend to signifie in what detestation abhomination such enormities are to be had and that men who are endued with reason may by such examples of law be admonished what punishment more iustly abideth them if they commit the same for which euen brute beastes and insensible thinges are so duely as it were punished For either it doth or at least wise ought to worke this effect in men In which respect Aristotle 3 Arist. 1. Rhet. ad Theod. c. 14. saith that punishment is a remedie or medicine to be vsed against faults And so 4 Lib 3. Var. epist. 14. Cassiodorus grauely writeth Remedium est contrapeccatum accelerata correctio Quicke punishment of sinne giues a remedie against sinne For all crimes and offences be in truth but as so many maladies and distemperatures in the body of the Church and Common weale which if they be tolerated to grow without restraint coercion of lawes will quickly spread like a cancker either to the destruction or to the great and apparant danger of both so that the necessity of punishments and penalties by the very endes vnto which they are referred may sufficiently be thus approoued vnto vs. The necessarie vse of them might be further enlarged and enforced also by the consideration of sundry who are interessed in this behalfe And first in respect of the Magistrate himselfe for it is said Non 5 c. dilecto de sent excomm 〈◊〉 6. caret scrupulo societatis occultae qui manifesto facinori desinit obuiare He that list not to oppose himselfe against a crime manifested vnto him may iustly be had in iealousie himselfe that hee is a partaker with the offender And againe 1 August in ep Ioan. tract 7. Charitas non est sed languor vbi mali mores digna poena non castigantur It is not charitie but faintnesse to be remisse in punishing offences And of such as haue authoritie to punish offenders it is said 2 Aug. epist. 50. ad Boniâ—… c. error dist 83. Si illos negligant perire permittant ista potiùs falsa mansuctudo est crudelitas And againe Error cui non resistitur approbatur But of that Magistrate which punisheth offenders it is thus said 3 Aug. in Enchirid cap. 72. Qui emendat verbere in quem potestas datur vel coërcet aliqua disciplina c. eleemosynam facit quia misericordiam praestat To an offender himselfe it is behouefull that hee may be recalled thereby from his wicked course for 4 Cassiod lib. 3. Var. epist. 14. malum cùm perseuerat augetur and 5 c. cum tanto de consuetudine tanto sunt grauiora peccata quanto diutiùs animam detinent illigatam Therefore 6 Iuo lib. 8. non corripere malos est eos occidere Et consuetudo peccandi tollit sensum peccati In respect of others also that might take encouragement to goe on in wickednesse or to commit the like punishments be very necessatie For in regard heereof Tullie saith 7 Pro Milone Impunitatis spes magna peccandi illecebra And in law it is said thus 8 c. vt clericorum § 1. de vita hon cler Iussum est rectoribus prouinciarum ne sinant crimina coale scere sed puniant ne facilit as ventae incentiuum tribuat delinquendi To like purpose Ambrose 9 Serm. 8. in psal 118. V. 2. writeth Nonne etiam cum vni indulget indigno ad prolapsionis contagium prouocat vniuersos And therefore it is grauely 10 c. sed illud dist 45. said by another Quae est ista misericordia quae bonitas vni parcere omnes in discrimen adducere Lastly in respect of the whole Church and Common wealth punishments are most needfull Examples are plentiful in Scripture where for the sinne of a few whole armies and societies haue bene punished This we may see in 11 Iosua 7. Achan whose stealing of the accursed garment c. was a cause of the ouerthrow of Israel in battell So for 12 1. Sam. c. 4. the sinne of Ely and his sonnes many thousands of Israel were slaine by the Philistims And to like effect 13 1. Reg. c. 2. Salomon speaketh when he giueth charge to kill Ioab Smite him saith he that thou mayst take away the bloud which Ioab shedde causelesse from me and the house of my father And 14 Ion. c. 1. for Ionas his disobedience the whole shippe was in danger to be wrecked Therefore an ancient Father 15 c. sed illud dist 45. saith That as one diseased sheepe infecteth the whole flocke so by the fornication or other crime of some one person often oftentimes the whole people is holden defiled Vpon these and such like considerations the light of nature did teach euen heathen men thus 1 l. ita vulneratus ff ad l. Aquil. Interest semper Reipub. delicta puniri And 2 l. 7. § finali ff de fideiuss poenas ob maleficia solui magna ratio suadet the whole common wealth hath an especiall and continuall interest and great reason also mooueth to haue wickednesse punished If then vpon so many weightie causes it be needful to haue crimes punished can it be denied but that all good means are to be vsed to bring them to discouerie and conuiction which must needs goe before the punishment of them 3 l. aut facta ff de Poenis Multis grassantibus exemplo opus est saieth the lawe where there be many transgressers it is needefull to haue some made an example to the rest and therefore 4 l. eum qui. ff de iniutijs Peccata nocentium expedit esse nota it is most expedient to haue euill mens lewdenesse made knowen and reueiled CHAP. II. There in is shewed how there are two sortes of prosecution of Crimes and Offences viz. by a Partie and of Office and the practise of them in Scripture and in the seuerall Courtes of this Realme declared NOw the meanes to bring any Crime and Offence into question before Iudges and Superiours in authoritie must needs be and so by all lawes and in all common weales generallie that I haue read of are either by prosecution of some partie or else vpon the Office of the Iudge the 5 Iul. Cla. lib. 5. § fin q. 3. Office of the Iudge is occasioned and as it were set on worke either vpon relation made vnto him by some other or vpon his owne meere motion without any relation from others which may happen as when an outrage or misdemeanor is committed in his sight or in some publike presence where he then happeneth to be In the law
Canons wherewith they hoped they could haue bound others Quod quisque iuris in alium statuit eodem ipse vtatur Hitherto in answere of their obiections pretended to be taken from the Scriptures and ancient Fathers Now for closing vp of this second part and for proofe which with this kinde of men I trust wil be impregnable that an Accusation is not of necessity required in proceeding Ecclesiastical criminallie let them heare what is established by the Discipline 3 Discipl of France tit Eccles. Senate or Consistorie Art 11. being the 6. Article in the Synode at Lions of the French Churches compiled together when Beza was president of their Synode For in this behalfe they determined no more to be required for calling a man before the Consistory but that it be not done without cause sufficient reason Where you see no mention of Accusation to be made either for the first preferring vp or for further prosecution of the cause And therefore their meaning was as the ordinarie practise of all their Presbyterial Elderships is to proceed Criminally against any Denounced vnto them though it be but by one Elder in his Ward or by any other person vnto whom they giue credite neuer knowen vnto the partie conuented without other Presentment or Prosecution of Accuser or partie and therefore of their owne meere Office That this interpretation is not forced and that the practice of their Consistorial Elderships is according thereunto may be made manifest by one 1 Calu. Farello pa 64. Epistolarum in folio of Caluins Epistles vnto Farellus But you are first to vnderstand that by their discipline all dauncing is simply and absolutely forbidden as a grieuous sinne matched with whoredome and is such as for which a minister must be deposed from his function no lesse for the one then for the other Nowe it happened that sundry in Geneua had daunced together in the house of one Balthasars widowe amongst whom one was a Syndicke which is one of the foure chiefe magistrates ofthat Towne and another of them was an Elder of the Church for that yeere This matter comming I knowe not howe vnto Caluins eare they were called to the Consistorie and charged with that offence without any Accuser or partie and therefore of meere office vpon none other ground but because Resmihi comperta fuit saith Caluin I knewe the matter well ynough Neuerthelesse all almost that were conuented denied it at first very constantly At length Caluin iudged that they should be driuen to confesse the trueth vpō their corporal othes This was done accordingly the matter was thereupon confessed the rather bcause Corneus one of the same companie gaue them warning that he would not suffer any of them to be forsworne Yet for all this one Elder Henrich seeing he was to be deposed from his Eldership for it he would not so easely giue ouer his hold but alledged against their course of proceeding with him as in the very like case Tho. Cartwright did not long since in the Consistorie at Paules before sundry honorable persons in Commission and Cartwrightes allegation against the othe ex officia in a criminall cause by Caluin answered long agoe others that place of Saint Paul viz. Receiue not an Accusation against an Elder vnder two or three witnesses But both did it with the like successe For Caluin put him off he saith with a Dilemma made litle lesse then a ieast at his so impertinent an allegation For he saith it was altercatio non illepida a pleasant kinde of controuersie Well notwithstanding this poore defence Henrich the Elder being first reviled and rated of all was deposed from his Eldership and also shut vp in prison where he did exasperate against Caluin the chiefe cause thereof the hatred of so many as did beare vnto him but sclender good will afore The Syndick also was for the same offence put out of his A chiefe Ciuill magistrate deposed by the Eldership of Geneua for dauncing Magistracie vntill he should shewe foorth some publike testimonie of his penitencie Diuers others of that merie companie were likewise for the same crime imprisoned And Perinus though for a time he were stept out of the way as farre as to Lions yet doe what he coulde Caluin there protesteth that he should not scape vnpunished So that we see it was made no Peccadillo or trifling sinne but an heinous criminall matter worthie of degradation of publike penance and also of imprisonment against which that Consistorie so proceeded without Accusation or Presentment and of meere office euen against one of the Elders of their Church and also against a principall Magistrate of their Citie and for which all that denied it were compelled to make answere vpon their corporall oathes first taken to answere the whole trueth which in that behalfe they should be asked by those of the Consistorie Which not onely touched euery mans owne acte but no doubt reached vnto all their Complices also which had troden the same dismall daunce together with them Thus much of this second part touching the two sortes of proceeding criminall viz. by Accusation and vpon the Iudges Office by way of enquirie and for the iustification of the latter of them by reason by lawes temporall of this Realme by lawes Ciuill of the Romanes by Canons by examples and proofes out of Gods worde by auncient Fathers and Councils and by practice of such moderne Churches as the greatest oppugners of this course doe account to be best reformed And therefore is manifoldly warranted both by humane and diuine approbation The ende of the second part THE THIRD PART OF AN APOLOGIE FOR SVNDRIE PROceedings by Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall of late times by some chalenged and also diuerslie by them impugned Treating Of Oaths but more specially that oaths may be imposed tending to the discouerie of a mans owne offenses and of his brethrens Vnto the end whereof is adioyned A Determination in Latine made to like effect by Master D. ANDREVVS in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge Imprinted at London by the Deputies of CHRISTOPHER BARKER Printer to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie An Aduertisement vnto the Reader I Haue not quoted gentle Reader any Pages in the Treatisours or Notegatherers writings which I haue occasion to alleage because those which I folowed are but priuate written copies but when I had almost finished the reuiewing of this Part I was credibly tolde that the sayd Treatise was put foorth and spred abroad in Print from Scotland or from Middleburgh and I haue since seene the same in print howbeit varying in certaine places from my Copy namely about the latter ende thereof For there bee some additions which in my iudgement differ no lesse from the stile of the rest then they doe from the written copy Farewell The Contents of the Chapters in this third part MAtter 's in this third part to be handled Of the lawfulnesse of Oathes What an Oath is and the reason or originall
layde downe in the printed Register especially by these wordes of them Recognitiones sacramenta provoluntate sua ipsis inuitis For full answere whereof to auoyde vnnecessarie length and vaine repetition I must referre the Reader ouer vnto the xj and xij Chapters in the first parte of this Apologie He affirmeth also that the practisers of such oathes are for that cause in a Pramunire and therefore gathereth the oathe to be contrary and repugnant to the common lawe I graunt the consequence to be good and sound but how doth hee prooue them to be thereupon in a Praemunire For proofe of this he assumeth that this manner of oathe is contrary to the Queenes regalitie and crowne as if his reasons afore brought had sufficiently euinced so much which wee doe vtterly and resolutely deny vnto him And yet as if he had fully cleared that point he addresseth himselfe to prooue that whereof there was lesse controuersie viz. that what is done by a Bishop or by an Ecclesiasticall Court against the Kings regalitie and crowne hath beene heretofore adiudged to be within the compasse of this worde Alibi contained in the Statute of Praemuuire 16. Ric. 2. For this he alledgeth two books of the common law yet 1 5. Ed. 4. sol 6. Praemunire the first of them doth but speake of an excommunication by a Bishop not of euery dealing whatsoeuer in a matter belonging to the Kings regalitie And what if it had beene twise so adiudged both of them in such corrupt times when as the royall prerogatiue of the Kings of this land to be Supreme Gouernours in all Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall due to them in right and by Gods Lawe was not de facto vnited to the crowne For the Bishops then did not claime their Iurisdictions Ecclesiasticall next and immediately vnder God from the Crowne as now they doe But seeing this parte of Regall power is nowe no lesse truely and fully vested in the crowne then is the Temporall so as the Lawes allowed for the gouernement Ecclesiasticall are termed by sundry Parliaments The Queenes Ecclesiastical lawes and Lawes of the Realme as well as those which were first and originally made heere And the Bishops are proued to haue their authoritie and Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall deriued downe vnto them from the Queenes Highnes vnder the great Seale of England as vpon fundrie incident occasions hath beene shewed afore Is it then the like reason still to comprise their Iurisdictions and Courts vnder that word of Alibi as if their Courts and Iurisdictions were not nowe the Queenes nor yet belonging vnto her Regalitie Nay let such as shall so affirme beware they incurre not hereby the danger of implied if not direct denyall of a part of her Highnesse Royall stile and the breach also of their oathes taken for assistance and defence of all Prerogatiues c. vnited or belonging to this Imperiall crowne Yea and though this might be truely verified of ordinarie Courts Ecclesiasticall yet is there no colour at all so to affirme of the Commission Ecclesiasticall exercised vnder the great Seale of England by force of the same Statute that restores the Supremacie Ecclesiasticall to the Crowne I omit here what is touched else where viz. howe by sundry learned it hath bene thought that by Alibi there was encluded or meant nothing els but matters of that quality there specified which were enterprised by and vnder the Papall authoritie though the Pope perhaps resided not then at Rome it selfe Therefore seeing this is not pregnant ynough for him to driue this matter neerer home to his purpose hee sayeth it is against the Kings Regalitie and so a Praemunire for an Ecclesiasticall Court to holde plea of a matter appertaining to the Iudgement of a Common Lawe Court or to deale in any cause not belonging to Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction The first of these he prooueth by the pardon sued by Barlow Bishop of Bathe and Welles in king Ed. 6. his time by reason hee had depriued the Deane there being a meere donatiue of the Kings If there were but any probable doubt whether thereby hee were fallen into a Praemunire it was wisedome for him to procure a pardon afore hand if he could Alealitis resincertissima yet depriuing of one placed by the King is much more then bare holding of some plea that appertaineth to a temporall Court besides that there was a further matter in it then I last here to open The other allegation of his to like ende taken from a 1 38. Ed. 3. of Prouisours Statute doth make no shew of proofe thereof for it is but thus viz. the King chiefly desireth to susteine his people in tranquilitie and peace and to gouerne according to the Lawes Usages and Franchises of his land as hee is bound by his oathe made at his coronation And are not Ecclesiasticall persons nowe parte of the Queenes people Are not the Liberties and Franchises that bee giuen and confirmed vnto them by the goodnesse of Princes for holding plea in certaine matters the vsages of this Realme Are not the receiued Lawes which lawfully they may practise termed Ecclesiasticall Lawes of this Realme no lesse then temporall be And is not the Prerogatiue royall in and for causes Ecclesiasticall as high and as rightfully setled in the Prince and incident to her Highnesse Crowne and Regalitie as the same is for temporall power and authoritie What cause is there then seeing seu Alibi in the Statute signifieth in true construction anie place whatsoeuer besides Rome that euery holding plea by an Ecclesiasticall Court of a matter wherein it ought not to holde shoulde at this time bee reckoned a thing contrarie to the Queeenes Regalitie more then dealing in an Ecclesiasticall cause shoulde bee in anie temporall Court at Westminster For no Statute of Prouision or Praemunire assigneth these for causes which haue indeede but growen since by collections whiles the Popes vsurpation was continued in this land against which oftentimes the remedie by Prohibition coulde not serue the turne I graunt it is a contempt or great misprision in any but for this a Prohibition and attachment thereupon c. as afore those Statutes they did might sufficiently serue the turne Neuerthelesse all these matters are wholly impertinent to his purpose till he shall haue prooued the particular issue viz. that such oathe as wee treate of is against the Queenes Regalitie c. But if that might be prooued then vpon so generall interpretation of Alibi these oathes would fall into the case of Praemunire by what Court soeuer whether temporall or Ecclesiasticall they should be tendered And that which he vowcheth to the same effect out of Saint Germans booke of Doctor Student receiueth the like answere In the next place I set some of the Treatisors reasons that are made by collection and discourse of reason These collections he maketh partly from examples past and partly at large therefore touching the first of these two he impugneth these oathes and would prooue
lawe then can it not bee auoided but that the Treatisour in very deede had such an vnduetifull and slaunderous purpose and reach in his words aforesayd To the second degree of their bare affirmations such speaches of Temporall Courts practise or forbearing to practise as these following bee doe belong videlicet that such a generalloathe or such like ex officio was neuer offered nor taken for you may perceiue he is not resolued throughly whether of these two hee had best insist vpon or take for his issue And that the common lawes haue euer reiected and impugned it Likewise that it was neuer put in vre by any Ciuill Magistrate of the land but as it is corruptly crept in amongst other abuses by the smister practises and pretenses of the Romish Prelates and Clergie-men which asseueration as it is in that part voyd of all likelyhood where it is surmised that the practises pretenses of Clergie-men did first shoulder this oath into Ciuill or Temporall Courts so is it yet an implied kind of confession that it is not such an Alien to the Ciuill pollicie of the Realme nor by it wholie reiècted impugned as in his treatise he beareth vs strangelie in hand Besides that such implication is flat repugnant contradictorie to y e Note-gatherer who writeth that it was neuer vsed here to make men accuse themselues for by this accusing he meaneth giuing of oaths to defendants touching discouerie of some their owne offences Lastly that where losse of life libertie or good name may ensue the Common law hath forborne oathes As for losse of life it is yeelded to be true which he here saith but not so for the other two for the Starre-chamber being a Temporall or Ciuill Court imposeth oathes where both infamie may and doeth follow for punishment and where libertie is restrained most often by imprisonment and sometimes also by banishment Vnto the other head of their bare affirmations which is what the Common lawe holdeth in this behalfe such of their speaches as these following doe appertaine videlicet to giue oath they meane to the defendants in causes of life and death is contrarie to the Iustice of the lande This albeit it no way impugne any practise Ecclesiasticall yet is it flat repugnant to the Note-gatherers assertion spoken vnto in the 1 ca. 10. pag. 93. second part Agayne that the Common lawes haue not appoynted an oath to bee vsed but according to the right institution thereof and that in causes capitall or criminall these lawes neither vrge by oath nor force by torment a thing most cruell and barbarous and therefore agaynst torturing he alleageth master Fortescue in his booke De laudibus legum Angliae It is wholie besides my purpose either to auow or disauow here the course of finding out trueth by torture yet much might on both sides probablie bee sayd therein both by reason and also by graue authoritie That the defendants oath in causes capitall neither is vsed nor allowed by the lawes of this Realme I doe yeeld vnto him as afore I haue sayd but for torture let me neuerthelesse put him in minde that it may perhaps be thought of very hard to haue it thus affirmed that the torturing of supposed Capitall offenders not only vsed in Campes but also within the Marches principalitie of Wales euen in time of peace well warranted by her Maiesties instructions and by Act of Parliament in the Tower of London for matters of treason should all of them be accounted absolutely contrary to lawe or which is more to bee courses most cruell and barbarous The other poynt thereof which is of not vrging a defendant by oathe in any cause criminall is the maine point here trauersed betwixt vs and therefore may not be caried thus away by him per petitionem principij without some sound reason All these aforesayde speaches I doe muster amongst their bare affirmations and haue the longer stoode vpon them because themselues doe not so much as assaie or vndertake to prooue most of thē by any colourable argument or authoritie for that the reasons which they tacke on vnto some of them doe not hang together by any consequence and for that diuers of them might bee granted without any detriment to the cause which wee defend for they be but voluntarie speaches let slip at randome this therefore commeth vnder his mistaking of the true issue yet they be such as seemed not vnmeete to bee mentioned least if the Author of them doe happilie holde them for sound reasons hee should complaine to haue a piece of wrong offered vnto him for that all his booke was not spoken vnto and answered Next doe follow those their reasons to be discussed which they take from the lawes of this Realme and first concerning such of them as be made out of Statutes and afterward we will come to their booke cases That which hee speaketh of Magna charta albelt he handle it last yet for the ancientie seemeth to deserue the first ranke he auoucheth no particular part thereof but taking as graunted a contrarietie belike in his opinion not trauersable to be betwixt proceeding by this oath and the sayd Statute he onely in high wordes telleth vs of a most iust curse of Anathematizing laied by the Bishops then against all wilfull infringers of that Charter If I should gesse what poynt thereof it is which hee intendeth to bee so contrary to these oathes I would take the nineteenth chapter thereof if any to bee meant both because putting to an oathe is there mentioned and for that I haue heard it to like purpose alleaged by some other Howbeit the Treatisour hauing farre better insight as seemeth in lawe then hee that so alleaged it thought good to skippe it ouer without all allegation for feare it would not so wel helpe his turne The wordes are these videlicet No 1 Magna charta ca. 19. Bailiffe shall from hencefoorth put any man to his open lawe nor to an oathe vpon his owne bare saying without faythfull witnesses brought in for the same I must confesse that these wordes are some thing too obscure and darke for mee to vnderstand what is positiuely and preciselie meant by them and so much the rather because I know not the vsage afore that time which thereby was ment to be remedied except I should coniecture that the bare saying there spoken of is to bee referred to the man that taketh the oath and not to the Bailife and then would it seeme to establish that practise which is vsed in waging of lawe with two or more witnesses or handes concurring with his oath that sweareth Howsoeuer it be in verie deed to be vnderstood it is easie inough to gather what can not be meant by it First therefore it cannot any way be extended to proceedings and courtes Ecclesiasticall for whatsoeuer is in that Statute graunted after confirmation of the Churches liberties except it bee otherwise plainely expressed is referred to Courtes
and matters Temporall betweene which and causes ecclesiasticall as is noted afore there was made both in those times and also long after a plaine seuerance and distinction in the groundes of their seuerall authorities and iurisdictions so that the one was called the Kings Court and the other a Spirituall or Court Christian. and therefore as nothing was in that Charter anewe graunted but confirmed onely vnto the Church of England so is it to be iudged on all handes that the king would not make lawes there to restraine the courses of proceeding ecclesiasticall because it could not be without disanulling and reuoking of that which immediately afore euen by the same Acte hee had first of all confirmed vnto them Secondly a Bailife onely is there mentioned which should put or not put a man to his oath which cannot well and properlie be vnderstood of any but of some officer temporall Thirdly these wordes are no way appliable to the practise of courtes ecclesiasticall for albeit vnder the name of Bailife an Ordinarie might be vnderstood which were very harsh insomuch as a Bailife is but a Reeue of a Baile or Libertie yet is it not holden by any lawe ecclesiasticall that vpon an Ordinaries owne bare saying whether he haue witnesses after to bee produced or not a man may bee put to an oath for there must bee some better matter of inducement to open way to the enquirie whereupon the oath ensueth Lastly this statute will rather hurt then helpe forward these mens purposes if an Ordinarie might here be vnderstood by a Baylife because if I conceiue the matter aright by this is implyed that so an Ordinarie be able to bring in good witnesses he may then vpon his bare saying put a man to his open lawe or to an oath But hereupon would followe that Criminall prosecution without any accuser or other partie and so ex officio mero yea and without any presentment too may bee lawfully admitted and which is most to our present purpose in handling that an oath in such case by him may bee imposed in any matter aswell Criminall as other For heere is no distinction made of any one kinde of cause from another and they which alledge it doe bring it to impugne proceeding by the defendants oath against crimes The allegation of the Treatisour out of the statute of Marlebridge or Marleborough falleth next in time to bee considered the whole wordes 1 Marlebr 52. H. 3. cap. 22. whereof are these none from hencefoorth may distreyne his freeholders to answere for their free holdes nor for any thing touching their freeholde without the kings writ nor shall cause his freeholders to sweare against their willes for no man may doe that without the kings commaundement But the Treatisour leaueth out the first part which sheweth howe the second that he alledgeth is to be vnderstoode And because like the lapwing with her diuerting c◅ies hee would leade vs further and further from the matter herein chiefly to be respected or for that he thought wee would make some aduantage hereof he saith that the kings commaundement importeth here thus much viz. according to the law Iustice of this Realme and for this quoteth a booke thus 2. R. 3. The booke he meaneth as I gesse is in 2 Mich. 2. R. 3. sol 11. these words wheresoeuer a man for offence misprision or otherwise is to make fine or redemption all the Iustices agreed that those Iustices before whome he was committed c. should take suretie and pledges for the fine c. and after by their discretion they should assesse the fine and not the king in his chamber nor otherwise before him but by his Iustices and so is the kings will in statute to be taken viz. by his Iustices and his lawe which to say in effect is all one c. Where you see that the booke speaking of Iustices viz. the men before whome the conuiction was made he referreth this to the Iustice of the land But though it be neither off nor on to our Principall purpose neuerthelesse it seemeth this booke is not truely applied by him vnto this statute and that by the kings commaundement in the statute the kings writ is to be vnderstood as in the first part of that statute is plainely expressed rather then any determination or Act of his Iustices of the Bench. Touching the statute it selfe the wordes doe euidently shew that neither oath in cause criminall nor any Court Ecclesiasticall is thereby meant there is onely forbidden that lords of manors shall not inforce their Freeholders that holde lande of them whether it be by distresse or oathes to answere in their Courtes baron touching the estates they haue in their landes because neither the lordes owne courts in such a case be competent or indifferent for feare of vnlawfull euiction nor the goodnesse or weakenesse of the states men holde are meete to be fished out by their owne oathes in satisfaction of their lordes greedinesse to haue their lands except the king by his writ shall so especially command And yet hereby wee see the statute leaueth it at large at the kings pleasure to warrant euen this course and therefore this is not simply vniust but inconuenient onely for lords so to vrge their tenants He alledgeth further against these oathes a statute as hee saith made 43. Ed. 3. ca. 9. that no man be put to answere without presentment before Iustice or matter of Record or by due proces or by writ originall after the ancient lawes of this land But I doe finde no such statute either in that yeere or in any other like number of Chapter of that king and that Parliament which he voucheth hath not so many Chapters But admitting it what is this to proue an vnlawfulnesse of oathes ministred vnto defendants in matters criminall whereof there is no shadowe of mention it rather speaketh of matters that ought to goe afore proceedings criminall at the common lawe and what makes this against Courts Ecclesiasticall woulde hee haue them to proceede in the selfe same maner that common lawe courts doe hee might aswell exact of them Indictments and afterward tryals by Iuries of twelue and yet Ecclesiasticall courts put none to answere but vpon moe then one of these or at least that which is equiualent at that lawe vnto these at the common lawe For first courts Ecclesiastical haue great vse of presentments and complaints or denunciations before the partie be called to answere as is shewed in the second part Then the defendant is not called neither but by due processe as by letters missiue or by attachment in Courtes of Commission by Primarie citation in Ordinarie Courtes which haue a correspondence vnto originall writs at the cōmon law So that of foure matters wherof some one or other of them is thereby required three of them be vsed in Ecclesiasticall proceedings against crymes His next proofe of this kinde cōming to be discussed is out of the 1 25.