proprietas Ecclesia ea est vt Catholica nempe vniuersalis vocetur The third property of the Church is that it is called Catholike that is vniuersall or might the Catechisme say without absurdity that Catholike is Vniuersall and must I be absurd because I say The Catholike Church is the Vniuersall Church Surely when words of one language are borrowed to speciall vse in another the reddition of them in the tongue to which they are borrowed is taken with the learned as supplying the place of a definition and it is thereby made to appeare whether they be properly and rightly vsed or vnproperly abused M. Bishop and his fellowes abuse the name of Catholikes and of the Catholike Church which English men doe not so readily vnderstand Let them giue the signification of the word and call themselues vniuersals their Church the vniuersall Church and then all that haue will to vnderstand can easily see their foolery and are ready to deride them But this they hide vnder the veile and couer of a Greeke word and wee that the truth may be the better seene are necessarily to discouer and therefore iust cause had I to say The Catholike Church is the vniuersall Church and he is an absurd man to taxe it as a thing absurd Yet notwithstanding I wish the Reader duly to obserue how that taxation stand 〈…〉 with the other that the same proposition of mine is captious For why is it captious Marry because the Catholike Church doth signifiâ— both the whole body of the Church compacted of all the particular members in which sense no one pâ—rticular Church can be called the Catholike Church because it is not the whole body and secondly the Catholike Church doth also designe and note very properly euery particular Church that embraceth the true Christian faith Where we may wonder that within the compasse of so few lines the mans wits should so extremely faile him For if the Catholike Church and the vniuersall Church be one and the same thing as he hath already told vs and vniuersall be no distinct thing but the very signification of the word Catholike then how can it be which here he telleth vs that the Catholike Church signifieth both the whole body of the Church which is the vniuersall Church and doth also very properly designe and note euery particular true Christian Church If the Catholike Church be no distinct thing from the vniuersall Church then it cannot properly note or designe euery particular Church or if it doe properly designe euery particular Church then it is distinct from the vniuersall Church Tell vs M. Bishop how these things hang togither for if the vniuersall Church be the very signification of the Catholike Church then we cannot see how a particular Church can bee properly called the Catholike Church because no particular Church can properly be called the vniuersall Church As for the exception that here lyeth against vs that the Fathers in pointing to a particular assembly doubt not sometimes to vse the name of the Catholike Church I shewed it before to be no whit preiudiciall to that that wee say because they minded not in so doing to limit themselues to that particular assembly but in a particular assembly to demonstrate the vniuersall Church For to say in any Citty for distinction sake this is the Catholike Church what was it else but to say this is that Church which is vniuersally dispersed through the whole world euen as when a man to demonstrate the elements saith This is the aire this is the earth pointing to the aire or earth whereat he is present but therein intending to demonstrate the whole body of the aire or earth hauing continuation with that whereto he pointeth For as the Apostle directing his speech to the Church of Ephesus nameth l Act. 20. 28. The Church of God which he hath purchased with his owne bloud and againe m 1. Tim. 3. 15. the house of God which is the Church of the liuing God the pillar and ground of truth so speaking of a part as to conioyne it with the whole euen so no otherwise was it that in noting any particular Church it was said This is the Catholike Church the whole Church being totum similare as I said before and the whole being subiect to be designed in any part But M. Bishop here saith that this was not only because the Church is totum similare but because each of the said particular Churches hath the same faith the same Sacraments and order of gouernment Which is as wisely and discreetly spoken as if he had said that this was not only because the Church in all parts thereof hath the same faith and sacraments but because the said particular Churches haue all the same faith and Sacraments For why is the Church said to be totum homogeneum or similare a body whose parts are all of the same nature kinde and being but because in all parts thereof there are the same faith and Sacraments or to vse the wordes of the Apostle n Ephes 4. 4. One body one spirit one hope of calling one Lord one faith one baptisme one God and Father of all who is aboue all and through all and in vs all Surely either M. Bishop was sleepy or else his wits were a wooll-gathering when he put in this exception Now then it was not said that the word Catholike is not or may not bee directed to any particular M. Bishop doth therein but meerely calumniate but I said and shewed that it is neuer rightly applied any way or to any particular but with implication of the vniuersall Church The faith is called Catholike because it is the faith of the vniuersall Church propagated and spred by the Apostles ouer the whole world Particular Churches are called Catholike and particular persons are called Catholikes as a man would say Vniuersalists for maintayning communion and fellowship of this faith with the Church of the whole world And as the name of the aire or the earth being absolutely vsed importeth that whole element whereof we speake but yet according to distinction of places we say The aire of London the aire of Oxford the aire of Winchester c. without restraining the name of the aire to any one place more then other and only meaning that part of the aire that is in such or such a place euen so whereas the name of the Catholike Church simply and absolutely vsed importeth the whole vniuersall Church the same notwithstanding is found to be distinguished by diuersity of places the Catholike Church of such a place or the Catholike Church of such a place not limiting the name of the Catholike Church to any one place more then other and in true propriety of speech meaning nothing else but that part of the Catholike Church that is in this or that place And therefore I formerly noted and thinke not vnfit here to be repeated that as Leo wrote himselfe o Leo. epist 12. Leo
the Catholike or Vniuersall Church discountenancing all partiall and schismaticall combinations and meere impudency is it by those or any other wordes of Austin to challenge to the Church of Rome an authority or superiority of gouernement ouer other Churches when as wee see that both Austin and the rest of the Bishops of Africa did with one consent vtterly disclaime the same Hitherto therefore wee see no cause to attribute to the Church of Rome any such priuiledges as M. Bishop pretendeth and the lesse opinion haue wee that any such there are for that hee bringeth no shew of proofe but onely by wresting and falsifying the Authours whom hee alleageth in that behalfe W. BISHOP §. 3. HEre comes in Master Abbots second proposition but the CHVRCH of Rome is a particular CHVRCH in which is as great doubling and deceit as in the former for albeit the Church of Rome doe in rigour of speech only comprehend the Christians dwelling in Rome yet is it vsually taken by men of both parties to signifie all Churches of whatsoeuer other Country that doe agree with the Church of Rome in faith and confesse the Pastor thereof to be the chiefe Pastor vnder Christ of the whole Church Like as in times past the Roman Empire did signifie not the territory of Rome alone or Dominion of Italie but also any nation that was subiect to the Roman Emperor Euen so the whole Catholike Church or any true member thereof may be called the Roman Church à parte principaliore because the Bishop of Rome is the supreme head of their Church Wherevpon if you demand of a French Catholike of what Church he is his answere will be that he is of the Catholike Roman Church where he addeth Roman to distinguish himselfe from all Sectaries who doe call themselues sometimes Catholikes though most absurdly and to specifie that hee is such a Catholike as doth wholly ioyne with the Roman Church in faith and religion Euen as the word Catholike was linked at first with Christian to distinguish a true Christian beleeuer from an Heretike according to that of Pacianus an ancient Authour Christian is my name Epistola ad Simphorian Catholike is my surname so now adaies the Epitheton Roman is added vnto Catholike to separate those Catholikes that ioyne with the Church of Rome in faith from other sectaries who doe sometimes call themselues also Catholikes though very ridiculously because they be diuided in faith from the greatest part of the vniuersall world Out of the premises may bee gathered that the Roman Church may well signifie any Church that holdeth and maintayneth the same faith which the Roman doth whence it followeth that M. Abbot either dealt doubly when he said the Roman Church to be a particular Church or else he must confesse himselfe to be one of those Doctors whom the Apostle noteth For not vnderstanding what 1. Tim. 1. vers 7. they speake nor of what they affirme R. ABBOT HEre is a new-found distinction and I confesse my selfe to be one of those Doctors that know it not and wee see that M. Bishop as great a Doctor as he is yet can bring neither Scripture nor Father nor Councell nor Story nor any ancient writer whatsoeuer for the warrant of it but such as it is wee must take it barely vpon his owne word The Church of Rome hath abused the world vnder pretence of the name of the Catholike Church alleaging falsly of it selfe that which is truly said of the Catholike Church that without the Church there is no saluation To discouer this fraude we instruct men as truth is that the Church of Rome is but a particular Church and therefore cannot be called the Catholike that is the vniuersall Church and therefore againe that it is but a meere mockery of Popish impostours whereby they say that out of the Church meaning the Church of Rome there is no saluation To this M. Bishop answereth that in that proposition The Church of Rome is a particular Church there is doubling and deceipt And how I pray Forsooth albeit the Church of Rome in rigour of speech doe comprehend only the Christians dwelling in Rome yet it is vsually taken to signifie all Churches of other Countries agreeing in faith with the Church of Rome and confessing the Pope to be chiefe Pastor of the whole Church Where it is to be obserued how hee setteth himselfe meerely to circumuent and cosen his Reader For it being admitted that the Church of Rome is taken to signifie all Churches of other Countries agreeing in faith with the Church of Rome and confessing the Popes chiefty ouer them yet this nothing hindereth but that the Church of Rome is still a particular Church or a part only of the Church because the whole Church doth not agree nor euer hath agreed to giue to the Pope and Church of Rome that chiefty which they require For how many Churches are there not in Europe only but also in Asia and Africa that deride that claime of theirs and neither yeeld nor acknowledge any such superiority to belong vnto them Yea and his owne instance of the Roman Empire confoundeth him in this behalfe because as the Roman Empire was not the Empire of the whole world but imported only the Countries subiect to the Romans there being many other Dominions and Kingdomes that were neuer subiect vnto them euen so the Roman Church is not the Church of the whole world which is the Catholike Church but signifieth only those Churches which professe subiection to the Bishop of Rome there being many other Churches which professe no such subiection Now therefore be it so that the Church of Rome is so vsually taken to signifie other Churches submitting themselues to the Church of Rome M. Bishop for all this to his purpose is neuer a whit the nearer vnlesse he can shew that the Church of Rome is taken to signifie the whole Catholike Church of Christ For if it be not the whole Catholike Church then it is but a member and part thereof and therefore only a particular Church Tell vs then M. Bishop is it any where to be found that the Roman Church is taken to signifie the whole Catholike Church Marke I pray thee gentle Reader how it sticketh betwixt his teeth Faine hee would speake it and yet because hee knoweth it to bee an absurd lye his heart faileth him and only faintly hee telleth vs The whole Catholike Church may be called the Roman Church But M. Bishop doe not tell vs what in your foolish conceipt may bee tell vs what hath beene done The Fathers were interested in this cause as well as wee they haue told vs of the East Church and the West Church the Greeke Church and the Latin Church they haue infinite times made mention of the Roman Church but shew vs that euer they meant by the Roman Church to signifie the whole Church Here hee is blancke and can say nothing and if he would say any thing the
conaris solos remansisse Rogatistas qui Catholici rectè appellandi sant c. Et vos esse solos in quibus fidem inuâ—niat filius hominis cum venerat themselues only to be Catholikes and that with them only Christ at his comming should finde faith left it as consequent that none could bee called Catholikes but by communicating and ioyning with them Now they did but apply to their Schisme at Cartenna those thinges which the Donatists in common held concerning their Church in Africa who said of themselues that b Collat. Carthag 3. cap. 22. Apud nos est vera Catholica with them only was the true Catholike Church c August de vnit â—ccles c. 13. Velut pro se commemorant quod ait Dominus Filius hominis veniens putas inueniet fidem in terra that with them only Christ should finde faith whence it should remaine that in their communion only men were to beare the name of Catholikes Now whether we looke to the Rogatists for Cartenna or to the Donatists for Africa the Papists are like them both who pleade the same for their Roman Church that they did for the other two that men are Catholikes for keeping vnity of faith and agreement therewith But M. Bishop telleth vs that they doe not call men Catholikes for keeping communion with the Church of Rome if it be taken for that particular Church which is contayned within the walls of Rome Where we see how true it is which Optatus saith that d Optat. lib. 2. Memoriam custodem oportet habere mendacem a lyar needeth to haue a good holding memory for he himselfe a little before speaking of that particular Roman Church to which he attributeth the priuiledges of stability in faith and superiority in gouernement aboue all other Churches hath told vs that St. Hierome e Part. 1. § 2. affirmeth men to become Catholikes by holding the Roman faith and that Tertullian Epiphanius Optatus and Austin doe proue their Churches to be Catholike and themselues to be Catholikes by declaring that they doe communicate with the Church of Rome and did condemne their aduersaries to be Schismatikes and Heretikes because they did not communicate with that Church If it bee true which hee hath told vs thus before that men become Catholikes by communicating with that particular Roman Church why doth he here tell vs the contrary that they doe not call men Catholikes for that cause The reason is because he speaketh no otherwise then as Optatus obiecteth to Parmenian the Donatist f Optat. lib. 1. Omnis pro tempore nihil pro veritate All for the time and present shift and nothing for the truth Well let vs heare what it is for which men with them are called Catholikes Because that communicating with that Church the particular Roman Church in faith and religion they doe communicate with all other of the same faith which are spred all the world ouer So then men are not g Aug. Breuic Collat. cum Donat l. 3. c. 2. Quia communicant Ecclesiae toto orbe di 〈…〉 Catholâ—ci meritò sunt vocantur Catholikes now as of old because they communicate with the Church dispersed ouer the whole world but because in the communion of the Church of Rome they coÌ„municate with the Church of the whole world But what if the Church of the whole world doe not hold communion with the Church of Rome as when the East and West Churches haue beene diuided and when Arianisme had ouerflowed in a manner the whole world whence was the name of Catholikes to be taken then Yea to speake of later times before the Portugals and Spaniards had gotten the Indies or discouered the new world and before Ignatius Loâ—ola had hatched his cockatrices broode which braggeth of so great conuersions there attayned vnto when neither the Greeke Churches in Europe receiued the Roman faith and out of Europe scant any Church at all how could it then be said that men were called Catholikes for that in communicating with the Church of Rome they communicated with the Church spred ouer all the world And sith they say that all other Churches may erre and only the Church of Rome hath the priuiledge of perpetuall truth put case that all other Churches doe erre how shall the name of Catholikes be continued but only for holding correspondence with the particular Church of Rome Yea how is it that he seeth not that he meerely circumuenteth and ouerthroweth himselfe For if a man be a Catholike for coÌ„municating with the Church of the whole world and it be by communicating with the particular Church of Rome that he communicate with the Church of the whole world then it is by communicating with the particular Church of Rome that the name of a Catholike doth belong vnto him To be short M. Bishops former acknowledgement iustifieth the resemblance as I haue set it downe and yet the Donatists if they could haue had their way would neuer haue doubted to say of their Church as M. Bishop doth here of his that men should be called Catholikes not for communicating with their African Church as it was contayned only within the bounds of Africa but for that in communicating with that Church they communicated with all other of the same faith spred wheresoeuer in the world Neither could the one nor can the other assume to themselues that they were or are spred ouer the whole world and therefore neither could the one nor can the other take vpon them to be Catholikes but only each for communion with their owne Church W. BISHOP §. 5. FInally the fift is as false as the fourth and in the same sort to be confuted True it is that the Donatists thought that none could be saued out of their congregation which is almost a common position of euery sect and heresie but most sure it is that there is no saluation out of the true Church of Christ no more then was out of the Arke of Noe in the generall deluge wherefore whosoeuer doth not communicate with the Church of Rome which is the chiefe member thereof in society of Faith and Sacraments is out of the state of grace and saluation according to that of S. Hierome to Pope Damasus I following no chiefe but Christ ioyne my selfe to Epistola 7. tit 2. the communion of Peters chaire vpon that Rocke I know the Church to be built whosoeuer doth eate the Paschal Lambe out of this house he is prophane he that is not found within the Arke of Noe shall perish c. where there is much more to this purpose R. ABBOT THe Rogatists as touching their Church of Cartenna and the Donatists as touching their Church of Africa were of minde that howsoeuer a man beleeued he could not be saued vnlesse he did communicate with their Church This M. Bishop acknowledgeth to be true and if this be true what hindereth but that the resemblance standeth good The Papists
THE TRVE ANCIENT ROMAN CATHOLIKE BEING AN APOLOGY OR COVNTERPROOFE AGAINST DOCTOR BISHOPS REPROOFE of the defence of the Reformed CATHOLIKE THE FIRST PART Wherein the name of Catholikes is vindicated from Popish abuse and thence is shewed that the faith of the Church of Rome as now it is is not the Catholike faith nor the same with the faith commended in the Epistles of St. Peter and St. Paul and that confirmed by the testimony of the ancient Bishops of Rome and other Writers of that Church By ROBERT ABBOT Doctor of Diuinity Master of BALIOâ—â— Colledge in Oxford August cont Faust Munich l. 29. c. 2. Maneat nobis aduersus illâ—s potius pro veritate certamen quà m cum illâ—s in falsitate concordia LONDON Printed by William Stansby for Ambrose Garbrand and are to be sold at the signe of the Wind-mill in Pauls Church-yard 1611. TO THE RIGHT HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE HENRY PRINCE OF WALES DVKE OF CORNWALL AND ROTHSAY EARLE OF CHESTER Knight of the most Honorable Order of the GARTER MOST gracious and renowmed PRINCE such is the malice and fury of Antichrist Greg. lib. 4. Epist 38. and his army of Priests as Gregory calleth them in oppugning the religion and faith of Christ as giueth cause to vs that fight for Christ to stand continually 〈◊〉 our guard and to be ready still in armes to entertaine the assaults that are continually made against vs. They carry themselues now towards vs the more eagerly and angerly for that they see themselues deceiued of the prey which they long hoped for imagining before this time out of the troubled waters of this State to haue fished somewhat for aduantage to themselues Which expectation being by the mercy of God wholly frustrate they imitate the Dragon in the â— Reuelation casting out of their Reuel 12. 15. mouthes by calumniations and slanders and all outrage and importunity of malicious contradiction euen flouds of waters to carry violently away and to drowne if it were possible the woman euen the Church of Christ amongst vs that hath escaped their cruel and bloudy hands But thanks be to God that hath giuen vs meanes to set mounds and banks against these raging flouds that howsoeuer they threaten yet they hurt vs not nor endanger any but such as rashly aduenture to swimme in vnknowne waters or being desirous of curiosity and foolish humour to see their owne shadow in the riuer Tyber whilest they admire themselues cast themselues head-long to bee drowned therein Now in that seruice of the Roman Antichrist Doctor Bishop our Countriman hath very industriously done his part and hath laboured if not to excell yet to equall almost any of his fellowes in the subuerting of wayward and vnstable soules and in animating of men to obstinacy against the truth of God Who hauing to the Kings most excellent Maiesty disgorged against vs the venome and poison of his corrupt and wicked heart and being by me duly chastened for his disloyal and traiterous attempt to delude by false suggestions his Liege and Soueraigne Lord seeing his impostures and fraudes most plainely discouered and laied open hath since added drunkennesse Deut. 29. 19. to his thirst and sought to fill vp the measure of his former iniquity by wilfull railing at those things which he knoweth to be true and hauing no other way to reuenge the impeaching of his credit greatly touched as he conceiued by the answering of his booke hath in a latter booke runne vpon mee furiously and loden me so much as in him lieth with odious imputations of abusing falsifying misconstruing misapplying both Scriptures and Fathers like the vngracious Thiefe at the barre who conuicted by most cleare and apparant euidence yet still impudently cryeth out that all is false But by an Aduertisement written for the time concerning that booke of his I haue made it manifest that that cry of his is but a cry of course the breath of an obdurate and euill conscience by which he standeth condemned in himselfe desperately Tit. 3. 11. bent against his owne knowledge to peruert to forge to face any thing to serue his turne which plainly appearing so to be little reason had I to trouble my selfe to giue any further answere to it Neuerthelesse because the further answere of the chiefe part of it hath fallen within the compasse of my intention of describing the true ancient Roman Catholike and no difference there is but that whereas I might otherwise haue walked at mine owne liberty I now tie my selfe to follow him I haue yeelded so much to him that whereas by comparison I formerly shewed that the new Church of Rome in faith and religion is farre estranged from the old it may now more fully appeare that so it is and that M. Bishop contending for the contrary hath done it only for his belly and for his credits sake hauing made the deceiuing of soules his occupation to liue by and being ashamed at these yeares to confesse that he himselfe hitherto hath been deceiued Which worke I most humbly desire may goe forth vnder the protection of your Highnesse whom according to that eminent wisedome and knowledge wherewith God hath endued these your younger yeares I make the Iudge of this quarrell and therefore the first part thereof I now tender at your Highnesse feete for a testimony of my loyall and dutifull affection and for acknowledgement of my deuotions vnto almighty God for the preseruation of your Highnesse and the continuance and increase of his graces and blessings towards you that your Princely name may more and more grow great and may be a terrour to that selfe-exalting Kingdome and Monarchy of the great Capitolian Priest at length to worke the vtter ruine and confusion thereof Which as we beleeue not to bee farre of so we hope that in that glorious reuenge of the cause of almighty God your Highnesse shall haue a chiefe and an honorable part and that God will strengthen your arme and giue edge to your sword to strike through the loines of all them that are the supporters of that Antichristian and wicked state Which with all other additions of honour and renowme both with God and men I will neuer cease to further by my prayers vnto almighty God so resting alwaies To your Highnesse seruice most humbly and affectionately deuoted R. Abbot TO THE CHRISTIAN READER THov hast here good Christian Reader the first Part of the worke which I promised The true ancient Roman Catholike Thou maiest remember that in my answere to Doctor Bishops Epistle to the King I challenged the name of Catholiks from the Popish abuse thereof and shewed out of the true explication and vse of the word Catholike that neither the Church of Rome can be called the Catholike Church nor the faith of the Roman Church that now is can be called the Catholike faith and therefore that very fondly and by a meere vsurpation they take vnto them the name of Catholikes After this I entred
ratio vertitur ego â—os dicere possum imò palam apertâ—que designâ— Mensurisâ—as Ceciliâ—nistas esse Petilian the Donatist being offended that they were called Donatists as iustly they were for tying themselues to Donatus as their Patriarch and h Ibid. cap. 32. Nec â—lic abnuâ— esse miâ—i PrincipeÌ„ ac fuisse Donatum Prince retorted vpon the godly Bishops the names of Mensurists of Mensurius and Cecilianists of Cecilianus as if they in like sort depended vpon them So the Papists being vexed at that name of Papists giuen to them for being wholly at the deuotion of the Pope seeke to disgrace vs with the names of Lutherans and Zwinglians and Caluinists of Luther Caluin and Zwinglius as if we were in like sort affected and deuoted vnto them The Donatists complained that i Aug. coÌ„t lit Petil. l. â— c. 43. Derebus vel locis Ecclesiasticis quos tenebatis noÌ„ tenetis querimiâ—i Et coÌ„t GaudeÌ„t l. 2. c. 28. Obijcitis nobis quòd res vestras possidere cupiamus the goods and reuennues of their Churches bestowed vpon them by their ancestors were taken from them and giuen into the hands of the Catholike Pastors and teachers of the Church vpon whom they cryed out k Cont. Gaudent lib. 2. cap. 2â— Alienarum rerum incubaetores as robbers and spoilers of them The same complaint l Epist to the King sect 31. M. Bishop and his fellowes vse that Bishopricks and Deanries and Benefices founded by men of their religion and to the vse thereof are now as they pretend by wrong and vsurpation bestowed vpon vs. The Rogatists being one part of the Donatists m Aug. Epist 48. Solos vos Christianos esse perhibetis affirmed themselues only to be Christians euen as the Donatists generally did challenge n Ibid. Vniuersi Donatistâ— se pro Ecclesia Christi supponentes Optat. lib. 2. Nitimini suadere hominibus apud vos solos esse Ecclesiam to themselues only to be the Church of Christ and so now the Papists in their faction esteeme themselues only to be Christians in so much that Bellarmines Ghost doubteth not to say that o Tort. ad Apolog resp Jacobus cum Catholicus non sit neque Christianuâ— est our King Iames because he is no Catholike of their coine therefore is no Christian The Donatists p Aug. Epist 50. 68. 122. cont Crescon Grammat lib. 3. cap. 42. c. prouoking Emperours and Kings by their intollerable outrages and villanies to make lawes for the punishing of them when the same were executed complained of q Aug. cont Gaudent lib. 2. c. 12. Propter filium hominis ac fidem c. vos persecutionem sustinere iactatis persecution and termed themselues r Collat. Carthag 3. c. 22. Apud nos est vera Catholica quae persecutionem patitur non quae facit the Church persecuted which persecuteth nâ—t and such of them as were iustly executed for murders and other vnlawfull acts they called Å¿ Aug. cont lit Petil. l. 2. c. 83. Cum viuatis vt latrones mori vos iactatis vt Martyres Et Epist 166. Dementia vt latronum facta fac 〈…〉 cum iure puniminâ— marlyrum gloriam requiratis Martyrs yea such as threw themselues downe from sleep places to kill themselues that it might be thought that others killed them yea such as forced others to kil them threatning to kill them if they did not so these all I say they blazed t Aug. cont lit Petil. l. 2. c. 71. Petil. Vos beati non estis sed beatos martyres facitis quorum scilicet animabus câ—li repleti sunt corporumque memoria terrâ— storuerunt Vos â—on colitisâ—ed facitis quos colamus Aug. Si dictum esset Beati qui seipsos praecipitant implerent coeum martyres vestri Et l. 1. c. 24. Praeciâ—â—tatorum vltrò â—adauerum cultus sacrilegos mitto for Martyrs and to their Relikes and dead bodies they did great deuotion and canonized them otherwise for â—â—ints in heauen Euen the same course doe the Papists take with vs who by their traiterous attempts and practises and most diuellish conspiracies giuing cause of making lawes for their punishment and restraint do vpon execution thereof cry out u Concertat Eccl. Cathol in Angl. Epist De persecutionâ— Anglicana of persecution x Epistle to the King sect 33. terrible persecutions saith M. Bishop in the late Queenes daies and doe call them Martyrs that are notoriously put to death for such horrible treasons Vnder which name they haue registred y Apolog. pro Henr. Garneto pag. 169. Garnet that wretched caitife a principall abettour of the gunne-powder practise then which there was neuer a more impious designement amongst men Yea and these thus iustly put to death they honour with great deuotion they deuise miracles of them they dippe handkerchiefes in their bloud they ioy to get peeces of their bodies they make of them Saints and z Concertat Eccl. Cathol in Angl. vers de Campian Sis mihi quaeso tuo facilis patronus alumno Nec cesses pro me saepe rogare Deâ—â— pray vnto them The Donatists though of their detestable and enormous acts Emperors tooke occasion to make lawes against them yet would not haue it thought that the Emperors did it as of their owne minde but moued and drawen thereto by the godly Bishops and Pastors that were aduersaries to them a Aug. coÌ„t lit Petil. l. 2. c. 9â— Calumniamini nobis dicentes à nobis in vos ad iracundiam Reges seculi concitari dum cos noÌ„ docemê° diuinam Scripturam sed malitiam nostâ—aÌ„ suggerimus Yee calumniate vs saith St. Austin saying that by vs Kings are incited to anger towards you for that we teach them not the Scripture of God but suggest to them our owne malice Euen so our Papists and namely b Reproofe pag. 85. M. Bishop although they know that of their owne vngodly misdemeanours the State hath taken occasion to make lawes against them and that our Princes haue had very iust cause to deale seuerely with them as Watson their owne proctor hath largely confessed yet that their owne blame may be the better hidden doe impute these proceedings to the instigations and exasperations of our Bishops and Ministers as if otherwise no cause were conceiued but that they should be moâ—â— gently intreated then now they are The Donatists albeit they knew well that it was a very small part of the world that ioyned with them yet ioyed to vse wordes as if they had had a Church throughout the world saying in their Councell of three hundred and ten Bishops that c Aug. cont CrescoÌ„ GraÌ„m lib. 3. cap. 56. Cùm Ecclesiae Catholicae Sanctitatem vir memorie vtnerabilis ab errore persidia Donatus assereret in â—ius nomen cultum mundi penè totius obseruantia â—â—trita câ—aluit when Donat 〈…〉 â—reed the
at all Whereas secondly he saith that it can hardly be shewed that the name of Iew was a name of honour he saith vntruly because the Scripture in sundry places mentioneth it with honour as the name of them with whom God did dwell a Zachar. 8. 23. Men of all languages of the nations shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Iew and say we will goe with you for we haue heard that God is with you as the name of them from whom saluation was to be deriued to other nations b Iohn 4. 22. Saluation is of the Iewes as the name of them that had receiued preferment at Gods hands c Rom. 3. 1. What is the preferment of the Iew much euery manner of way the same giuing them a preeminence aboue others d Galat. 2. 15. We who are Iewes by nature and not sinners of the Gentiles as a name gloried and reioyced in e Rom. 2. 17. Behold thou art called a Iew in respect whereof the Apostle teacheth the truth of the name that they might not vainly reioyce in it f Vers 28. He is not a Iew which is one outward but he is a Iew which is one within for which cause the holy Ghost challengeth it from them who literally assumed to themselues the name for carnall propagation only without regard of inward truth g Apâ—c 2. 9. They say they are Iewes and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan He againe denyeth it to haue beene a proper title of the people of God but his instances to that purpose are vaine for albeit to speake of particular men God had many good seruants of other nations Iob the Husite Naaman the Syrian the Sydonian widdow and many Proselites and conuerts as he alleageth yet there was no other nation vouchsafed the honour to be called the people of God but only the nation of the Iewes according to that of the Psalme h Psal 147. 19. He hath giuen his lawes vnto Iacob hiâ— Statutes and Ordinances vnto Israel he hath not dealt so with any other nation As for the wordes which he addeth Many Gentiles were saued without the law they are his owne the Apostle hath no such and therefore he dealeth falsly to cite them vnder the name of the Apostle Well I say then that the name of Iewes was of old a name of honour and the proper title of the people of God and yet afterwards by their Apostasie who were so called it was left for a name of curse and reproch I quoted for this the words of the Prophet Esay i Esay 65. 15. Ye shall leaue your name as a curse vnto my chosen M. Bishop hereto saith Most vncertaine it is of what name the Prophet Esay speaketh when he saith It shall be left for a name of curse But the reason of his vncertainty is because he will be certaine of nothing which he seeth in any sort to make against him Certaine we are that the prophesie hath had his effect and we see the effect thereof in the name of Iew and in no other name and therefore how should we but be certaine that the prophesie hath reference to that name It is true that the place with some vndergoeth another translation and is thereby drawen to another construction but being translated as by M. Bishop it is set downe which is according to the most proper signification of the wordes no man vnderstandeth the name there mentioned of any other but of the name of Iew only Thus Hierome according to that translation expoundeth it k Hieron in Esa l. 8. c. 65. Nomen vestrum erit in iuramentum Electis meis vt pro malorum exemple vos habeant detestentur talia suslinere iurent sic Non hac patiâ—r qua possâ—â— est populâ—â— Iudâ—â—rum Your name shall be for an oth to mine Elect so as that they shall take you for an example of euils and shall abhorre to suffer such things and shall say Let me not suffer those things which the Iewes suffered The ordinary Glosse yeeldeth the meaning thus l Gloss Ordinar in Esai 65. Vt aliqui affirmantes dicant si alitèr fecero contiâ—gat mihi sicut Judaeis Romanorum gladio occisis So as that men by way of affirmation shall say If I doe otherwise then I say let it befall to me as to the Iewes that were slaine with the sword of the Romans Lyra thus m Lyra. ibid. Christiani sic iurant aliquando si feci istud quod mihi imponitur suspendar ego per pedes sicut Iudaeus Christians sometimes sweare thus If I haue done that wherewith I am charged let me be hanged by the feete like a Iew. Osorius their owne Paraphrast vnderstandeth it in the same sort n Osor Paraphras in Esai l. 5. o. 65. Nomen relinquetis electis infaustum abhominandum quod in dirarum imprecationibus vsurpetur ita vt quise voluerit execratione deuincire exitum sibi IudaoruÌ„ imprecetur si quicquam in se contra quà m fas officium requirit admiserit c. seruos suoâ— non tudaeos appellabit Dommus c. Yee shall leaue your name to mine Elect as vnfortunate and to be had in abhomination so as that it shall be vsed in imprecations and curses and he that will binde himselfe with a curse shall wish to himselfe the destruction of the Iewes if he haue done any otherwise then right and iust The Lord shall not call his seruants Iewes but shall giue them a new more excellent name The name of Iewes then it is which is meant in the wordes of the Prophet and therefore hither to there are no impertinences in mine example but his exceptions are altogither impertinent Yet being taken for such he is content like a kinde Gentleman to remit them but telleth me that there is a grosse fault in the maine point of the comparison which he cannot pardon Doubtlesse it is some reserued case his holy Father the Pope must pardon it and none but he And what is it I pray you Forsooth the name Iew being the name of a certaine people of one race and kindred and hauing a law giuen them by Moses which should continue only for a prescript time and end at the comming of Christ is not like the name Catholike It may be M. Bishop that in all things it is not like and I suppose you are not so ignorant but that you know that it is needlesse that things compared should euery way and in euery respect answere each the other It is a common saying that o Omnis similitudo vâ—â— pede claudicat euery similitude halte thou one foote at the least and concerning the similitudes and parables vsed by our Sauiour Christ in the Gospell Origen noteth that p Origen in Mat. cap. 13. Quemadmodum in imaginibus statuis similitudines non omni ex parte respondentijs adquâ— conferuntur c. simititer
and dignity to the King and yet preferre the things that are managed by the Priest before those things that are managed by the King Albeit I alwaies adde that to the King as without the Church belongeth the care and ouersight of those things that pertaine to the sauing of soules and to the furthering of his subiects in the grace of God and in the way to heauen so as that in this respect there is no cause why the Priest should be accounted superiour to the King And this our Princes haue done and still doe and yet the world with vs thanks be to God is not turned topsie-turuy but our state standeth vpright and prospereth maugre the hearts of all Romish malignant traitours and enemies that haue sought the ruine and ouerthrow thereof CHAP. V. That faith and religion cannot be safely grounded on the example of Fathers and forefathers and that the Popish factours notwithstanding doe in this behalfe abuse the credulity of ignorant men ANSWERE TO THE EPISTLE NOw whereas he alleageth that all his Maiesties most royall Progenitours to sect 4. You talke M. Bishop of many vrgent c. W. BISHOP §. 1. PAgans and Heretikes doe now and then like Apes counterfait true Christians And no maruaile for their great Master Sathan doth transfigure himselfe sometimes into 2. Cor. 11. vâ— â—4 an Angell of light and did alwaies and yet doth labour to be like vnto the Highest but it is easie to espie their Esay 14 v. 14. apish tricks and to returne their fond subtleties vpon their owne heads Simmachus played but the part of a foolish sophister when he pleaded so with the Emperour Valentinian We are to follow our Fathers for the Emperours father and nearest Predecessors were no Pagan Idolaters but professed Christians as all men know who are conuersant in those ancient histories To the point of the proofe I answere in briefe that it is a most found inducement among vs Christians and to be dearely regarded of all To follow the foote-steps of our fore-fathers in beleeuing if they before haue not degenerated from their Ancestors The base and ground of it is this As God is more ancient then the Diuell and Christ Iesus then all Heretikes so was the true seruice of God and the right faith of Christ planted sowne and tooke fast roote before Heresie and Idolatry sprong vp which hath firme testimony from our Sauiour who teacheth That the good seede was first sowne by the Father Mat. 13. v. 24. of the houshold and the cockle after and ouersowne by the enemy Whence it followeth perspiculously that they who doe hold the same doctrine inuiolably which was embraced by them of that stocke who were first conuerted to the Christian faith are true and sincere Christians Those children then who follow the holy steps of their Catholike Progenitors ascending from Sonne to Father succâ—ssiuely till they arriue at the first Christians in that Country are true Christians and they that doe not succeede their Predecessors in their faith and religion but either are fallen themselues or doe follow others who before fell from the faith of their fore-fathers are vndoubtedly slipt into errour and infidelity By which discourse it is euident that I tendered a most reasonable request vnto his Maiesty that he would imbrace and countenance that religion which all his Progenitors euen to the first Christian among them had liued and dyed in because they were all Catholike and not one of them can be named who changed the religion of his fore-fathers yet this notwithstanding Simmachus the Pagan vsing the like argument in shew was not to be heard the difference is because his fore-fathers for whose Idolatry he pleaded had before forsaken the true and sincere worship of the one liuing God and therefore their children were not to continue in their Idolatry but to returne vnto their former Ancestors true piety So were the Donatists children of whom S. Augustine cited by M. Abbot speaketh not to follow their Fathers in that sect and heresie but to leaue their late corrupted parents in their new doctrine and to looke backe vnto their grandfathers ancient faith and religion from whose integrity their Fathers were degenerated Euen as now a-daies we exhort men that had or haue parents turned Protestants not to be led away with their erring Parents opinions but happily to receiue their forefathers ancient faith from which their Fathers reuolted vnaduisedly And so shall they returne vnto the roote and originall of our Lords tradition as S. Cyprian speaketh because they shall returne to that saith which was receiued from hand to hand euen from the Apostles our Lords most trusty and sacred messengers and cleauing fast to that shall not need to regard what any man hath thought fit to be done or said against it R. ABBOT PAgans Idolaters and Heretikes and of Heretikes the Papists namely are in this pretence of their Fathers and forefathers all alike and doe alike alleage the example of their fathers for warrant of irreligion and apostasie from God M. Bishop to make good their vse of it taketh vpon him to rectifie the rule and so to propound it as that it shall serue for a most sound inducement among vs Christians and to be dearely regarded of all And how is that Marry to follow the footesteps of our forefathers in beleeuing if they before haue not degenerated from their Ancestours Which if of his breaketh the force of his rule and is so farre from giuing a carefull man any sound inducement for setling his conscience in religion as that it casteth him rather into a further perplexity whilest he cannot but be in doubt whether those fathers whom he is wished to follow haue degenerated from their Ancestours or those Ancestours from other or those other from other that were before them In the iudgement and triall whereof if men haue not some certaine rule to be directed by they are easily blinded and led into errour whilest all Pagans and Heretikes and Papists pretend each for themselues that all their forefathers euen from the beginning were such as they are and haue their colours and shewes of antiquities whereby to perswade that they were so But yet to explicate and strengthen his rule he layeth this for the ground of it that as God is more ancient then the Diuell and Christ Iesus then all Heretikes so was the true seruice of God and faith of Christ before heresie and Idolatry Which ground of his we willingly admit and are most well content to build vpon it We hold it for certaine and infallible which Tertullian prescribeth against Heretikes that a Tertul. de Praescript Ex ipso ordine maniâ—estatur id esse Dominicum verum quod sit prius traditum id autem extraneum â—aâ—sum qâ—od sit posterius immissum that is of the Lord and the very truth which was first deliuered that strange and false which is afterwards brought it and b Idem cont Marc.
the Scots in the doctrine of the Church of Rome euen as Augustine was from S. Gregory into England From which the Scots Church neuer swarued vntill of late yeares Knoxe Buchanan and such like giddy headed and fiery spirited fellowes seduced them And M. Abbot most ignorantly or impudently affirmeth it to haue beene 1200. yeares after the incarnation of Christ ere the Popes authority could get any acknowledgment there for in the very same hundreth yeare by him named they were so farre off from denying the Popes authority ouer them in causes Ecclesiasticall that they did acknowledge him to be also their Protectour in temporall affaires For when King Edward the third would haue giuen them Iohn Balial for their King they answered him That they would not accept of him for such Walsingham in vita Edw. Anno 1292. without the Popes consent who had their country in protection as they then pleaded And M. Abbots argument to the contrary is most friuoulous Alexander the King bade the Popes Legate to enter his country at his perill ergo he did not acknowledge the Popes authority By the like argument one might proue that King Philip and Queene Mary did not acknowledge the Popes authority for they commanded a Legate of his to stay at Calis and to forbeare entrance into this Realme at his perill The Popes Legates then when they be sent about affaires that doe seeme to the Prince and his Councell preiudicious to the temporall slate may be refused without disparagement to the Popes supreme authority in causes Ecclesiasticall And the King of Scots had reason to refuse that Cardinall Legate whose speciall arrand was to collect money to maintaine the warres of the holy Land which was not to be spared in his Countrey Besides the very entertainement of such a great State so accompanied was reputed as needlesse so ouer costly for that poore Countrey If M. Abbot haue no better stuffe then this to vphold his badde cause he that best knew his owne meaning and designement hath to the life painted out himselfe where he saith They care not indeede what they say or write so that it may carry a magnificall and braue shew to dazell the eyes of them that are not well acquainted with their lewde and naughty dealing R. ABBOT a Bale Script BritaÌ„nic Cent. 1. oper minor PAlladius and Patritius were sent into Scotland by Celestinus Bishop of Rome to instruct the Scots against the doctrine of Pelagius the Heretike which is a certaine argument of the apostasie of the Church of Rome inasmuch as the Church of Rome now patronizeth and defendeth the doctrine of Pelagius as I haue b Of Free will sect 5. before shewed Little doth M. Bishop gaine by all this alleagement of teachers then sent from Rome We know what was then the religion of the Church of Rome and we know that the streame the longer it ranne the more soile it gathered but yet it was very pure and tollerable then in comparison of that that now it is There followeth now an assertion of mine that it was twelue hundred yeares after the incarnation of Christ ere the Popes authority could get any acknowledgement in Scotland which he saith I doe most impudently or ignorantly affirme But how doth it appeare that I so doe Forsooth in the very same hundreth yeare by him named saith he they were so farre off from denying the Popes authority ouer them in causes Ecclesiasticall that they did acknowledge him to be their Protectour in temporall affaires Marke well gentle Reader that I name twelue hundred yeares and he saith in the very same hundreth yeare and yet for the thing which he reporteth of the Scots alleaging that the Pope had their Countrey in protection he noteth the yeare 1290. which was almost a hundred yeares after the time by me set downe Be it M. Bishop that at the end of twelue hundred and ninety yeares they had receiued the Pope to be the Protectour of their Countrey that nothing hindereth the truth of my speech that for twelue hundred yeares they acknowledged not any authority of the Pope amongst them in Church affaires You should haue brought vs some records to shew that within the compasse of those twelue hundred yeares the Pope had without controllement exercised in the Realme of Scotland Ecclesiasticall and ordinary iurisdiction which seeing you doe not you iustifie my assertion and the impudency whereof you speake must be the staine of your owne face who will take vpon you to contradict me with such an impertinent and sleeuelesse tale To proue that there was no such iurisdiction acknowledged I referred the Reader to the King of Scots owne wordes who as Matthew Paris reporteth c Math. Paris in Henrico 3. Anno 1237. Volenti autem Domino Legato intrare regnum Scotiae vt ibi de negotijs Ecclesiasticis tractaret sicut in Anglia respondit Rex Scotiae Non memini Legatum in terra mea vidisse nec opus esse iquem esse vocandum Deo gratias nec adhuc opus est omnia benè se habent Nec â—tiam tempore Patris mei vel alicuius AntecessoruÌ„ meorum visus est aliquis Legatus intâ—oitum habuisse nec ego dum mei compos suero tolerabo when the Lord Legate was desirous to enter into the Kingdome of Scotland there to deale in Ecclesiasticall matters as he had done in England answered him I doe not remember that I haue seene any Legate in my Countrey nor that there hath beene any neede thanks be to God that any should be called neither is there any neede all things are well No nor in the time of my Father or of any of my Predecessours hath any Legate beene seene to haue had any entrance there neither will I suffer any so long as I am in my right wits This euidence is cleare none had entred in his time none had entred in the time of his Father or any of his Predecessours none should enter so long as he could keepe him in his right minde and though things were amisse yet none had authority to enter but as he should be called and warranted by him The same in effect he alleaged two yeares after when the Legate againe was attempting to goe into that Countrey and though after much adoe vpon intercession of the Nobles of England and Scotland he was content for once to admit him that he might not haue the disgrace of being repulsed yet it was with condition as I haue d See the Aduertisement concerning D. Bishops Reproofe sect 15. formerly declared that the said Legate should put in caution vnder his hand and seale that his entrance should not be drawen to a matter of example whereupon to presume the like another time This matter is more plaine then that M. Bishops paltry shifts can put it off King Philip and Queene Mary respited the entrance of a Legate for a time but wholly to deny him entrance for ordering matters
same and other nations held it their greatest honour and felicity to be members of Christs Church and haue vsed all care and endeauour to honour and aduance the same The time hath since beene for the fulfilling of the other prophecy that b Apoc. 17. 13. 17. the Kings of the earth should giue their power and Kingdome to the beast and with the whoore sitting vpon many waters should bend themselues c Verse 14. to fight against the Lambe M. Bishop saith that it is vncertaine what Kings these shall be But it is certaine by the confession of all parts that they are d See of this whole matter Part. 2. in the defence of M. Perkins Prologue Pag. 42. c. the ten Kings that is those many Kings that shall arise of the desolations and ruines of the Roman Empire and what Kings they are that now possesse the Countries and Kingdomes that were once the Prouinces of the Roman Empire Italie France Spaine Germany England c. it is not vncertaine The euidence and certainty thereof teacheth vs to vnderstand ten Kings not for ten only particular men as M. Bishop most improbably and absurdly doth but for the Kings successiuely of so many Kingdomes the King of England the King of France the King of Spaine c. vnder euery of which names there is a succession of many persons Vpon the decay and fall of the Empire who arose together with these Kings to whom haue they yeelded their Kingdome and power but only the Pope who by little and little thrust out the Emperour and made himselfe Lord of the Roman territory and hath set vp himselfe vnder a title of Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction to vsurpe a Kingdome aboue them all They haue acknowledged his iurisdiction they haue submitted themselues vnto him they haue beene content to ioyne with him and to yeeld him all assistance to fight against the Lambe against the true members of Christ against all that professed the true faith and Gospell of Christ But yet it is foretold that there shall be a time when e Vers 16. these Kings shall hate the wheore and shall make her desolate and naked and eate her flesh and burne her with fire Where because it might be questioned how it should be that they should doe thus of whom it is said that they should giue their power to the beast the holy Ghost to take away that doubt addeth f Vers 17. For God hath put into their hearts to fulfill his will and to consent together and to giue their Kingdome to the beast vntill the words of God be fulfilled Whereby he signifieth that although by the secret hand and counsell of God those Kings should giue their Kingdome to the beast yet it should be so but for a time only vntill the word of God be fulfilled that is vntill it be performed which God hath foretold of the abhomination of desolation standing vp in the holy place in the Temple of God which being done they shall hate the whoore and make her desolate and burne her with fire God opening their eyes that they may see the abuses and vsurpations of that wicked strumpet that they may reward her accordingly As for M. Bishops construction of the beast and the whoore as things diuers and that those Kings though giuing all their power to the beast yet should withall hate the harlot and fight against her as wicked men fall out amongst themselues and aide one another against as wicked as themselues I reiect it as his owne ridiculous and fond deuice the thing being so plaine to the contrary as that his owne fellowes the Rhemish Diuines as I haue before shewed doe confesse that it is g Rhem. Testam Annot. Apoc. 13. 1. the beast which is called the whoore of Babylon and by way of exposition doe name the Whoore or Beast or Antichrist as appertaining all to one The giuing therefore of their power to the beast is the giuing thereof to the harlot and their hatred towards the harlot is their hatred towards the beast they shall first doe the one and the time of that expired they shall beginâ—e to shew the other This in part is already come to passe and God hath opened the eyes and turned the hearts of sundry Nations and Princes that they now hate the whoore of Babylon the Roman Church whereof before they stood in awe and the rest in Gods good time shall follow and ioyne together to the deuouring and consuming of it I noted our gracious King for one of them whose eyes God hath enlightened to see the fornications of that wicked harlot and to hate the same but M. Bishop saith that it cannot be applyed to his Maiesty in our sense because he was not in his former time any aider of their religion and now fallen off from that to the Protestants But though King IAMES haue beene no aider of their religion yet the King of England hath beene and the King of England who in other former Kings hath beene a supporter of the Kingdome of the beast is now in King IAMES an impugneâ— thereof the Kings first supporting and then 〈◊〉 not being necessarily in person the same but in sucâ—essioâ— only as hath beene said Therefore though they 〈◊〉 reprobates and cast a-waies who gaue their Kingdome to 〈◊〉 beast as M. Bishop pronounceth of them as for vs we iudge theâ— not let them stand or fall to their owne Lord yet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not which he vainly collecteth that King IAMES â—y bâ—ing one of them that shall â—ate and destroy the who 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—oned amongst reprobates but he is rather 〈◊〉 hereby from the number of them To exclude this he alleageth that those Kings shall giue their Kingdome to tâ—â— bâ—ast till the word of God be consumâ—ate that is saith he till the â—nd of 〈◊〉 But the best is we are not tyed to his Commentarie and because h Apoc. 18. 1. 2. c. St. Iohn at large declareth that the Beast and hiâ— Babylon shall be destroyed before the end of all therefore we vse our liberty to thinke it false which he saith that they shall giue their Kingdome to the beast vntill the end of all They shall so doe vntill it be fulfilled which God hath forespoken concerning the Kingdome of Antichrist which being done they shall arme themselues against the said Kingdome and shall helpe to pull it downe So doth King IAMES and he will not thinke it worthy of any haâ—d censure that we say that he doth so and as for M. Bishops faire warning we reiect it with scorne only telling him that the custome was that the i Tull. Orat. pro Sext. Roscâ— Canâ—s aluntur in Capitolio C. si luce quoque canes latâ—ent c. opinor ijs crura suffringantur Capitolian dogges when they gaue warning without cause should haue their legges broken W. BISHOP §. 3. MAster Abbot hauing acquited himselfe so Clarke-like in the precedent part of his answere
That we are not to imitate our fore-fathers descendeth to the subsequent to wit That his Maiesties Progenitours Kings of England and Scotland were not of our Roman faith which he will proue hereafter at more leasure that is to say neuer For he doth not deny but that the religious and holy man Augustine sent into our country by Gregory the Great Bishop of Rome to conuert our Ancestours the Saxons and English to the Christian faith did then teach the same Roman faith which we now professe so that aboue this thousand yeares by his owne confession his Maiesties Progenitours haue beene of our Catholike Roman faith and religion and very few Kings now liuing I weene can deriue their pedegree much further Afterward he doth rake out of the chanels of Bale Iewel Hollinshead and such like Page 198. late partiall writers which any man not past all care of his reputation would be ashamed to cite for sufficient witnesses in matters of controuersie wherein they themselues were parties that there was great disagreement betweene Augustine the Italian Monke as he speaketh and the Churches of England and Scotland whereas venerable Bede a most approued authour and neare vnto those times who did as most diligently trace out those matters so record them most faithfully he I say whose authority is sufficient to put downe an hundreth late writers interessed in the cause affirmeth that there was no variance betwixt them in any one article of faith but only in some few points of ceremonie namely in these two Vpon what day the feast of Easter was to be kept Beda lib. 2. histor cap. 2. and about the rites of Baptisme For S. Augustine offered them to beare with all other their different rites if they would yeeld vnto him in these two points Vt Pascha suo tempore celebretis That yee would keepe Easter-day at the due time appointed by the Councell of Nice and minister the Sacrament of Baptisme after Euseb in vita Const lib. 3. 17. Epiphan lib. 3. Haeres 70. the manner of the Roman Apostolike Church And concerning these two points who can thinke but that the Sacrament of Baptisme was like to be administred in those daies in the most renowmed City of Rome after a more decent and deuout manner then among the Britans that liued in a corner of the world Now for the other of keeping the feast of Easter the fourteenth day of the first Moone with the Iewes It was many yeares before condemned in the first most famous generall Councell of Nice and therefore it cannot be denyed but that those Britans were either very ignorant in the Canons of the Church if they knew not so solemne a decree or else too too contentious and wilfull in refusing to yeeld vnto it A third clause was added by S Augustine that the Britans would ioyne with him and his fellowes Beda ibidem in preaching the word of God vnto the English nation which also argueth yet more strongly that they agreed together in all articles of faith or else they would not haue required their helpe in instructing others in matters of faith And this is not only registred by S. Bede that holy Historiographer but also reported by their owne late writers Hollinshead and * M. Godwine Volum 1. page 103. * Page 6. in his Catalogue of the Bishops of England S. Bede also witnesseth further in the place aboue said that the same Britan Christians euen then confessed that they did perceiue that to be the true way of iustice which Augustine did preach Furthermore the principall Preachers and most godly men that liued not long before S. Augustines arriuall among the Britans as namely S. Dulcitius and S. Dauid were brought vp at Rome and one of them the Popes Legate too as the aduersaries Iohn Bale in their liues themselues confesse Whereupon it followeth clearely that not only for these later thousand yeares but also in the former hundreths all his Maiesties Ancestors both English and Britans embraced and maintayned the same Catholike Roman faith which we now doe R. ABBOT MAster Bishop kindly threapeth vpon me that I denie not but that Austin the Monke sent hither by Gregory Bishop of Rome did then teach the same Roman faith that they now professe whereas I doe not only deny it to be so but also doe bring a Answ to the Epistle to the King sect 31. diuers instances to proue directly that it is not so Of those diuers let one only here suffice The religion brought in by Austin the Monke continuing here till the time of Charles the Great though it approued the hauing of Images yet condemned the second Nicene Councell for that it approued the worshipping of them The thing by Roger Houeden is thus reported that b Roger. Houeden Annal. p. 1. Anno 792. Carolê° Rex FraÌ„corum misit Synâ—dalem librum ad Britanniam sibi à Constantinopoli directum in quo libro beu proâ— dolor multa inconuenientia verâ— fidei coÌ„traria reperiebantur maximè quòd penè â—mnium Orientalium Doctorum non minus quà m trecentorum vel â—o amplius Episcoporum â—nanima assertione confirâ—atum fuerit Imagines adorari debere quod omninò Ecclesia Dei execratur Contra quod scripsit Albinus EpistolaÌ„â—x authoritate diuinarum Scripturarum mirabilitèr affirmataÌ„ illamque cum â—odâ—m libâ—o ex person 1 Episcoporum ac Principli nostro 〈…〉 â—rancorum 〈…〉 t. in the yeare 792. Charles the King of France sent ouer into Britaine a synodall booke or booke of a Councell directed to him from Constantinople in which booke alas for woe many things were found inconuenient and contrary to true faith specially for that by agreement of all the Easterne Doctors no lesse then three hundred Bishops and more it was decreed that Images should be worshipped which thing the Church of God wholly accurseth Against which saith he Albinus wrote an Epistle wonderfully strengthened by authority of holy Scriptures and brought it together with the booke to the King of France in the name or behalfe of our Bishops and Peeres The Roman faith which Austin brought condemned that Nicene Councell Tho Roman faith which M. Bishop bringeth approueth that Councell for so hath he done in his c Sect. 12. Epistle to the King Therefore the Roman faith which M. Bishop bringeth is not now the same that Austin brought He cannot doubt but that Austin being sent hither by Gregory did teach the same faith here which Gregory himselfe taught at Rome But the faith which Gregory taught at Rome shall be shewed if God will in this booke in many particulars to haue beene contrary to that faith that is now taught from Rome As for our writers Bale Iewell Hollinshead and such like I cite them not as sufficient witnesses in matters of controuersie as he vainly cauilleth but I name them only as recording matters of history which they haue taken out of former stories and writers when mine owne Library