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A13159 A briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel, lately published by a seditious Iesuite, calling himselfe N.D. in defence both of publike enemies, and disloyall subiects, and entitled A temperate wardword, to Sir Francis Hastings turbulent Watchword wherein not only the honest, and religious intention, and zeale of that good knight is defended, but also the cause of true catholike religion, and the iustice of her Maiesties proceedings against popish malcontents and traitors, from diuers malitious imputations and slanders cleered, and our aduersaries glorious declamation answered, and refuted by O.E. defendant in the challenge, and encounters of N.D. Hereunto is also added a certaine new challenge made to N.D. in fiue encounters, concerning the fundamentall pointes of his former whole discourse: together with a briefe refutation of a certaine caluminous relation of the conference of Monsieur Plessis and Monsieur d'Eureux before the French king ... Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1600 (1600) STC 23453; ESTC S117866 358,520 534

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a carnall fellow and a méere politicke Hée kept certaine women and his bastardes in his time bore no small swaie in Rome One of them made loue to a mans wife of the house of Glorieri Of whom receiuing some indignitie he brought the Glorieri into hatred with his father Who picking a quarrell to them fined Caesar Glorieri him that set his hand to the sentence of excommunication against the Quéene 100000. ducates and another Glorieri that was clarke of the popes checker chamber he put out of his office and solde it for diuers thousands of duckats So you sée much money made of a baudie matter and you woulde woonder whether all this money went and I beléeue hardly coulde you gesse it I will therefore assure you that all this money went to the Iesuites and was most of it imploied in the building of their colledge at Rome O holie societie and thrise holy colledge erected for the most part by baudrie and maintained as pope Sixtus said by vsurie This may serue for a taste to shew that the best founders that Iesuites haue are carnall and sensuall men that rather then they will frie in purgatorie will giue the Iesuites most of that they haue The second fault of this enumeration is this that it is defectiue For not so many atheistes carnall worldlings and heretickes as christian and catholicke princes zelous and godly bishops and pastors and honest and religious Christians do detest and abhor this wicked generation Princes for the hazard that they haue incurred of their liues and states haue eyther expulsed them and banished them their countries as the French king the Transyluanian and those that professe true religion or had them in iealousie as the king of Poland and diuers papisticall princes Godly Christians haue reason to suspect them and detest them for their abominable doctrine and treacherous and murderous practises Fathers feare them in regard of their children whom they inueigle and steale away The Venetians dissolued a colledge in Padua where gentlemens sonnes were wont to be brought vp for that the Iesuites taking vpon them to teach there corrupted their youth with their vnnaturall lasciuiousnes and restrained them from teaching others then such as were of their own society Husbandes haue them in iealousie for their wiues wiues for their husbands For it is no rare matter for these subuerters of all humanity to draw wiues from husbandes and husbandes from wiues yea sometimes through too much familiarity with women they spoile the men A certaine Magnifico in Venice perceiuing his wiues iewels to be wanting in the end learned that the Iesuites had gotten them To conclude this point I thinke the Iesuites will not deny but that the Carmelites and Franciscanes and Dominicans and othe orders of fryers are as honest men as themselues yet all these do inwardly hate them At Vienna they thrust out the Carmelites at Mentz the Dominicans at Trier and Bransberg the Franciscās out of their houses which maketh these orders to hate them In Bauier the priests béeing brought to pouerty and shame by the Iesuites haue no reason to loue them And thus we sée that many honest men do eyther suspect or hate the Iesuites and some also which they themselues cannot take iust exception against Let vs therefore now consider whether the causes that haue mooued and occasioned this hatred against the Iesuites be iust or no. The discourser saith They are had in hatred and emulation eyther for their rule and profession or for their learning and doctrine or for their life and conuersation But first the parts of this diuision are imperfect next the same conteineth diuers vntruthes and more are added in the declaration of it Lastly the whole defence parted in this diuision is not sufficient to iustifie the course and actions of the Iesuites the imperfection may be prooued by diuers particulars For they are not onely hated for these thrée causes but for diuers others As namely for that they do many things both contrary to their owne rule and contrary to the rule of Gods law and Christian religion They professe obedience but they practise sedition and rebellion Claudius Matthew a Iesuite and king Henry the third of France his confessor was the most principall author and agent in the league of papists against him and the peace established a litle before Parsons and Campian were sent into England to make a faction for the papistes which appeared in this that they procured a faculty to suspend the bull of Pius as farre as it concerned papists no further then Rebus sic stantibus These fellowes are the principall agents and stirrers of the rebellion in Ireland Iames Gordon Creichton and Hayes Iesuites laide a plot not onely for a rebellion in Scotland but for an inuasion in England Neither hath any warre or tumult béene raysed of late in any part of Christendome wherein the Iesuites haue not borne a principall part They professe chastitie and the law of God forbiddeth all vncleannes but how these obserue this profession and law I report me to their owne consciences to the Iesuites of Rome and Padua and to their practise in allowing and now and then frequenting bordelles They talke much of voluntary pouerty and Christ saith all should be left for his sake But these good fellowes leaue Christ for the wealth and ease they find in the order of Iesuites They dwell in costly pallaces their dyet apparrell is more dainty and braue then ordinary The furniture of their houses and churches is gorgious and princely Their armes are placed aboue the armes of princes most couetously they scratch and scrape from the orphane widow and poore and put out their mony to interest their rule and outward profession is to gaine soules but their practise is to kill soules They promise to teach without reward but if a great man will giue them a million they take all Nay they pretend to begge for banished English but take most themselues and by all practises séeke to enrich themselues by bribes and rewardes They professe religion and the name of Iesus but they are the slaues of the pope and oppugne the faith of Iesus preferring the decretals before scriptures in certainty and make a scoffe at religion In Venice they painted the virgine Mary like a Lady in the city whome they loued as a Vita Pij Quinti Pius Quintus cast an Agnus dei into the riuer so these vse the same practise in their coniurations Nay they administer the sacrament to those that go about to murder princes as Walpoole did to Squire First then they are hated for dooing against Gods law and their owne written rules Secondly for their ignorance in true religion Thirdly for that they peruert others by their leud perswasions and euill example Fourthly for that they peruert youth and teach them euill manners Fiftly for that they are not ashamed to defend any old condemned heresie or grosse new error holden by the pope Lastly
claiming somewhat that the Spaniard was vnwilling to yéeld coulde by no terror of excommunication hinder a Historia Adriani king Philips armie but it entred vpon the popes countrey and prosecuted his holinesse with great rigour So likewise in Iuliers and Italy the Spaniard hath iniambed vpon others right notwithstanding consent in Religion Further hée doubteth not to affirme That the warres and tumults in kingdomes rounde about vs haue principally proceeded from alteration of religion in England Which is but a ridiculous conceite and a vaine imagination For when as yet England continued in popish superstition the pope and his agents stirred vp Charles the fift to persecute the princes of Germanie Francis the first his officers to murder the poore inhabitants of Cabriers and Merindol And when her Maiestie came to the crowne all the worlde knoweth that her studie was rather peace then warre as her agents can yet testifie that often mooued both the Spaniard to cease his warres in the Low Countries and the French to desist to persecute his subiects that except in matters of their conscience promised al obedience Beside that it is a fond imaginatō to thinke that her Maiestie or her agents had that credite in other countries that shée coulde make them take armes at her pleasure No no the worlde is witnesse that it is the pope that is the firebrand of the warres throughout all Christendome Hée stirred vp Charles the fift against the Germaines as appéereth both by his letters and negotiation with him and by the aide hée sent to him against them Hée enflamed the warres in France and neuer woulde let matters settle as appéereth by the negotiation of his legates and by infinite testimonies When as yet her Maiestie did not so much as procéed against any papist for religion then did Pius the fift that furious frier publish his shamelesse and railing bull against her and sent Nicholas Morton to perswade the Earles of Westmerland and Northumberland and their followers to rebell against her And so hée declareth himselfe to be Antichrist that shall cause all to bée slaine that will not admit his religion and that is figured in the second beast Apocal. 13. This companion therefore that doth impute the cause of warres vnto vs is like that good fellow that saide the cause why hée robbed and spoiled was because men carried money with them vpon the high way Wée cannot hinder the malice and ambition of the pope and Spaniard that prosecuteth warres against innocents But they are to be blamed that offer violence to the peaceable and defende open wrong and not they that mainteine their right Lastly hée telleth vs and that in a lamentable voice That if this alteration had not hapned wee had not seene the depriuation of all the sacred order of bishops in one day togither with their perpetuall imprisonment nor so many noble houses ouerthrowne nor so many troubled for persisting in their fathers faith and not consenting to this change nor the torturing hanging and quartering of a hundred priests most of them gentlemen and youthes of rare witte Percase he is hired to shedde some few teares Assuredly hée wéepeth without iust cause For neither were all the popish prelates depriued in one day nor were they cōmitted to perpetuall imprisonment Nor was any papist héere directly troubled for persisting in his fathers faith nor haue any noble houses bin ouerthrowne by religion but rather by rebellion Neither were those simple vnlearned youthes whom the popes agents haue sent into England to prepare the way to rebellion hanged and quartered for religion but for treason Further we say for answer that those prelates whom he talketh of were no bishops nor teachers but woluish murderers of Gods saints and hirelings of Antichrist whosemarke they bore and yet diuers of them were suffred to runne away Some of them were neuer imprisoned others were onely restrained that either to their owne houses or to places where they had all things in abundance Nay albeit they refused to consecrate her Maiestie and denied her right yet shée did not as shée might lawfully vse force against them But if any shoulde denie to consecrate the pope albeit no prince yet shoulde it cost them their liues Further the worlde knoweth how much her Maiestie hath fauoured her nobilitie Shée coulde not doe more honour to any then to the duke of Norfolke Yet coulde shée not mollifie his hart toward her She neuer thought euill of the earle of Westmerland and Northumberland yet did they séeke her destruction at the solicitation of a wicked priest called Nicholas Morton Henrie Earle of Northumberland albeit farre engaged in practises of rebellion yet was he suffred to enioy his honour and liuing And diuers that were farre interessed in that action were not called in questiō If then any perished in those practises the fault was wholy their owne Her Maiestie was sorrowfull for their wilfulnesse rather then cause of their ouerthrowe As for wilfull Recusants they were not once called in question before that the pope vsed their obstinacie as a meanes to worke the ouerthrow of the state And now notwithstanding they do adhere to the pope her Maiesties enimie and will not disauow his authoritie in depriuing her of her right which is a matter of great consideration yet all their punishment is onely a mulct for not comming to church and restreint that they doe not easily ioine with forraine enemies They enioy their landes their goods and most of them too great libertie albeit euill affected to the state and wholy addicted to a most abominable and damnable religion Our brethren in other places onely for professing the truth without other cause loose not onely goods landes and country but libertie and life also Wherefore if they be wise let them acknowledge that they liue vnder a gratious Princesse and see that such leud proctors as this leaue prating in their cause least they heare that which shall make them séeme vnworthy all fauour in all indifferent mens iudgment Against the poore yoong men that haue died for their practising for the pope I wil not say much I do rather lament that they should be so abused as to be drawne out of their countrey to forreine enemies and to be emploied in their seruice either to their owne destruction or to the hurt of their countrey but most of all that they shoulde to the finall losse of their soules yéeld themselues thrall to Antichrist and embrace his damnable doctrine and heresies Onely thus much being vrged by this Noddies importunitie I could not choose but say in defence of our religion and the present gouernment that they were executed for treason and not for their heresies or false doctrine Which appéereth notoriously by their enditements by the euidence by the iudgement and manner of execution That the sentence is most iust it is euident both by the ancient lawes of this lande and by the lawes of all nations By the a 25. 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of papists and telleth what monuments of learning they haue left behinde them and what vniuersities they haue built All which maketh nothing to the purpose For albeit there bée many learned men among them yet their common people may be very vnlearned and ignorant notwithstanding which is that whereabout we contend Againe if their learning be so great the greater shall bée their condemnation which in the knowledge of Christ Iesus are so ignorant themselues and suffer also the people to liue in ignorance Lastly albeit we will not deny them to be learned yet we doubt not but to match them with men of our profession and if we compare them with the ancient fathers they will be ouermatched But whatsoeuer their learning is good it were for them if they would vse it not to their owne but to Gods glory Likewise they teach That lay men may not meddle with matters of religion that is that Princes haue no power to reforme the church nor to make ecclesiasticall lawes And our aduersary confesseth That onely priests haue authority to define and determine matters of religion What reason then hath hée to quarrell with sir Francis Hastings séeing in effect he confesseth as much as hée laieth to his charge Forsooth saith he Because these words To meddle with matters of religion may haue a double sence But what if they might receiue a treble sence if the papists doe so remooue lay men from gouerment in ecclesiasticall causes that they néede not to care how God is serued then are they not wronged by him For hée doth not meane care in their owne behalfe but in respect of others And therefore his example of ministers wiues is very impertinent Neither hath hee reason to condemne lawfull mariage when he and his consorts wallow in all filthinesse to condemne I say the apostles doctrine which alloweth a bishop To be the husband of one wife when hée teacheth the doctrine of diuels that forbiddeth to marrie Finally Parsons the Iesuite hath no reason to condemne priests wiues when his true father as they say was a parson of a parish his mother also had béene more honest if shee had béene maried to the parson his father These iestes therefore if hée looke no better to his businesse may prooue him to bée irregular and vncapable of priesthood But what is that may hée say when a bastard maketh as good a Iesuite as hée that is well borne Where wée say that the papists stande more on externall complements and ceremonies then inwarde faith and other vertues onely requiring an outward profession and outward obseruations of going to masse to shrift and such like hee is much displeased with the matter and saith That his aduersary hath neither eies nor witte And yet this is the doctrine of the Romish church Vt aliquis absolutè dici possit pars verae ecclesiae saith a Lib. de ecclesia c. 3. Bellar. non putamus requiri vllam internam virtutem sed tantùm externam professionem fidei sacramentorum communionem quae sensu ipso percipitur And albeit he shoulde not so say yet it is apparent that those are accompted good Cacolickes that liue in obedience to the pope and obserue his lawes whatsoeuer they are otherwise Nay of late time they haue canonized murtherers traitors and rebels as for example Iames Clement that murthred Henry the thirde of France diuers of the rebels that rose with the Earles of Northumberland and Westmerland in the north and such trecherous priests as came from the pope to betraie their countrey to strangers In times past also Thomas Becket was canonized for a saint albeit he was a traitor to his prince and countrey stirring vp forreine enimies against them moouing the pope to depriue his prince of his crowne running to professed enimies and consulting with them to the hurt of his prince causing the land to be enterdited and giuen as a spoile to forreine enimies which neither Iohn Baptist nor the holie fathers Athanasius Ambrose Hilary or Chrysostome either did or allowed to bée done And therefore as these examples fit not Thomas Beckets cause so Thomas Beckets example doth fitly shewe how loose men and disobedient subiects are enterteined by the pope and made saints in heauen albeit they deserue not to liue on earth Lipomanus and Surius and others I know tell many goodly tales of this saint but wée must remember that all the grounde they haue is their lying Legend and percase the popes sentence grounded vpon hearesaie Sir Francis saith further that Albeit the pope and his clergie commanded blasphemies and disloialties yet blind papists were made beleeue that the pope must be obeied vpon paine of damnation And his meaning is most true For although popes command matters impious against God and disloiall against princes yet their friers and flatterers do cōmend them for glorious merits woorthie of celestiall glorie Iames Clement the Dominican frier that murdred king Henry the third of France is estéemed a martyr of the popish synagogue Pope a The oration of Sixtus quint. la fulminante Sixtus quintus in the consistory of Cardinals commended this detestable act as A worke of God a miracle a rare exploit of Gods prouidence and compareth it to The most excellent mysteries of Christ his incarnation and resurrection Cardinall Como in his letter to Parry that went about to murder her Maiestie calleth the worke Meritorious Sanders doth greatly commend the rebels of the north that vpon the popes commandement went about to depriue their liege Souereigne of her crowne and kingdome And what hath either Parsons the Iesuite or this personate Noddy be hée what hée will to obiect against vs in this point Hée saith it is a shamelesse slander to say The pope commandeth either blasphemies against God or disloialties against princes And for the rest hée telleth vs That obedience to the pope is a commendation to catolike religion But the first is prooued by his decretales legends missals portuisses and other rituall bookes full of blasphemies The second is manifest by their practise There hath no such treason almost béene wrought against princes of late time but the same hath procéeded from the pope and béen managed by Iesuits and other friers and priests All the rebellions in England against Henrie the eight Edward the sixt Elizabeth now reigning had no other cause nor originall The late league or rather late rebellion of France against Henry the third and Henrie the fourth was made by the pope and enflamed by the vermine of friers his agents The Iesuites professe obedience to the pope as to Christ Boniface the eight maketh subiection to the pope to be a matter of saluation a De eccles milit c. 2. Bellarmine maketh it an essentiall part of a Cacolike or true member of the popes church And such trust haue papists in his iudgements concerning matters of faith that they thinke hée cannot be deceiued Nay if hée once either command or determine