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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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old Anabaptists were farre from embracing divers of the fore-mentioned abominations yet it cannot be denied but the best of them did cast open their heart to more foul errours then any Protestant Church could ever allow of Take me the Mennonists themselves the ill best of all who have carried the name of Anabaptists although they anathematize the Georgian Heresie yet they approve so farre of the Monasterians that they do much excuse all their wicked practices and put no doubt of their Saintship and acceptation with God notwithstanding of all the crimes which the world charges upon them NNN The Mennonists deny originall sinne Generally they deny originall sin for all of them dispute so passionately against the baptism of infants that many before they be aware do drive themselves into the gulf of Pelagianisme denying all originall corruption and making infants without all iniquity that so to them baptism may be in vain for to what purpose is washing to those who are not defiled OOO In the points of election redemption grace free-will perseverance justification perfection they are groster then either the Arminians or Jesuits From hence they are carried not only to the possibility but the facility of fulfilling all Gods Commandements avowing that among them divers men become perfect without all sin who ought not to crave from God a remission of any transgression because there is none PPP this brings on justification by inherent righteousnesse QQQ Also the Doctrine of freewill of the great power of nature without speciall grace to act much towards salvation and of the absolute power of the will to reject the most efficacious grace and to apostatize totally and finally from all grace received RRR being come this length they step easily over to the universality of Christs redemption SSS and so to the intention of God to save all and every one without any previous eternall immutable Decree of election or reprobation TTT In all these conceits of Pelagius the most sober of the old English Anabaptists were much grosser then the absurdest either of the Jesuits or Arminians as may be seen in the late Tractates of Robinson and Ainsworth against them They are yet more absurd This Pelagianism brings them on to the late Atheisme of Vorstius and the madnesse of Manes against the Divine essence and nature also to the old and late Antitrinitarian Heresie of Photinus Arius Socinus Swenckfeldius and others against the three Persons of the Godhead against both the natures of Christ and his Priestly Office They make God to be of a mutable nature They deny the omnipresence of God and so not of an absolute simplicity but to have some composition yea somthing of a body also in his essence not to be infinite nor omnipresent VVV For the three Persons They deny the Trinity they deny the truth of Christs Divinity XXX and all the subsistence of the holy Ghost YYY As for the price of Christs death they count it not of an infinite value nor his blood being but of a meer creature to be properly satisfactory to the Divine Justice ZZZ They make him a Saviour not by way of any proper redemption And the truth of Christs humanity but by the example of his holinesse and the impetration of his prayers Neither do they permit him to enjoy without injury his humane nature they deny that he took any flesh of the Virgin Mary but they make his body to be created without all consanguinity with the first Adam denying really that he was either the seed of Abraham or the son of David or the son of Mary AAAA They refuse all consequences from Scripture When in their debates against the baptism of infants they are straited with consequences from the circumcision of infants and the promises of the Covenant made with Abraham and his children many of them do run out so far as to deny all scripturall consequences refusing with the Jesuit Veron in their reasonings all deductions though never so necessary and clear requiring for every thing they will admit expresse and syllabicall Scriptures BBBB They refuse reasoning from the old Testament When they finde that this poor shift does not the deed they arise a little higher and deny that any thing from circumcision can conclude us the Books of the old Testament being now cut off from being any more a rule of faith or manners to Christians CCCC I do not speak of those who proceed to reject all Scripture and in place both of Law and Gospel set up their own dreams and revelations for divine and infallible verities The Covenant with Abraham they make carnall Upon the same argument they come to two other absurdities for first they change the nature of the new Covenant of grace with Abraham and his seed making all the promises thereof to be of things carnall and temporall DDDD and when this shift is not sufficient to elude our arguments they come to a second They exclude all infants from the covenant of grace whereby they exclude all infants from the Covenant of grace and any interest in Christ or his promises making no difference between the children of Pagans and Christians of godly and ungodly taking from both all the ordinances and means of salvation and yet putting both in the state of salvation without Christ by vertue of their own naturall inherent originall righteousnesse The Testimonies of the second Chapter A Bullinger p. 17. At the first they aimed chiefly at separation to have a separate Church of their own wherefore who ever assented unto that separation and who did leave the Popish the Protestant and all other Churches that they might live in the new society of the Anabaptists which they did call the true and acceptable Christian Church those the chief leaders of the Sect did receive into their Church by Anabaptisme in sign of their separation B Vide supra Cap. 1. Also Clopenburgs Preface p. 5. However after the trouble of Munster the Anabaptists have casten away corporall arms and by them troubles not Common-wealths yet they do not permit the purer reformed Churches to be builded without dayly combats C Bullinger lib. 1. p. 11. In their separate Congregations they did cry mightily against pride against gluttony and drunkennesse blasphemy and other crimes they led a life in appearance spirituall they sighed oft and did not laugh in reproofs they were vehement they spoke excellently by this means they purchased admiration and authority to themselves among simple and pious people who did speak thus Let other men say of the Anabaptists what they please I do see nothing in them but gravity I do hear nothing but that we should not swear nor do wrong to any but live piously and soberly so I see no evill in them Ibid. p. 52. The most part of the Anabaptists and at the beginning these of Munster themselves were lowly and humble farre from all greatnesse and splendour for they did inveigh