receyue our information herein so farre as we shal be able to make good proofe by the holy worde of God cōcerning his ordinance in these matters I doubt not then but the certayne trueth of the pointes sett downe in the declaration would appeare vnto them to the great honour of God and vnspeakeable ioy and comfort of all the Church amongst vs. Nowe followeth the third and last sentence of those which are set downe for the foundation of all the Discipline This sentence is that the order which God hath prescribed for the directing of his church is not to be learned els-where then in the holy worde of God For proofe whereof is alleadged 2. Tim. 3. vers 16.17 This trueth the Replyer if hee agree with him selfe in like maner yeeldeth vnto with this condition if it be vnderstoode that all generall or particular orders in the externall gouernement of the church are either expreslie specified in Gods holy worde or inclusiuelie comprehended in it This is the substance of his Replie to this point wherein he is to knowe that it is not otherwise meant but that eyther by playne euidence or necessarie consequence they are to bee shewed to haue their ground in the worde of God for the substance therfore of this point we are agreed In this place without all maner of occasion offred him he falleth into the mention of a booke which he termeth our communion booke and sayth to be intituled The forme of common prayers administration of the Sacramentes c. agreeable to Gods worde and the vse of the reformed Churches Such a booke in deede bearing that tytle there hath bin much speach of it is saide as it had bin twise before so this last Parliament nowe the thirde time to haue bin presented to that high and Honorable Court Wherof because the speaches were diuers many haue bin in doubt what they should iudge of it Therefore I doubt not but that one no better affected to it then he is and sheweth him selfe to be both in calling it our communion booke meaning as it seemeth that it was reuisited and considered by sundrie faythfull Ministers of the Gospell and by their meanes procured to be presented in Parliament and in his readines to finde faulte with it without cause but he hath obserued some notable matter in it that may stay the vncertayne and doubtfull opinions of many concerning it and may certifie them vpon good and sufficient grounde of iust cause to disallowe it The matter which he noteth in it is that in the title of it it is sayd to be agreeable to the worde of God and the vse of the reformed churches And this is all that he noteth in it whereby it may seeme to be a holy booke and worthie to bee written in letters of golde if it bee such a one as so ill an eye lookinge into it could finde nothing reproueable in it but this that it is agreeable to Gods worde and the vse of the best reformed Churches He might easilie finde as great a stayne as this is in the most orient pearle that euer came frō the Indies Such a pearle was in deede worthie to bee set in the Diademe of a Prince and meete to be presented to so noble a State as is the State of that honourable assemblie If there were a Gentleman in all the lande fearing God in trueth with singlenes and sinceritie of harte wise without cunning and deceytfull practises zealous of the honor and seruice of God louing his Coūtrey with most tender affection constant in the trueth with a christian magnanimitie such a man surelie were a personage qualified for such a purpose as to make tender to the States of a lande of such a booke as is agreable to Gods word and the vse of the best reformed Churches If amongest all the Gentlemen of a Countrey there were two graced of God with rare and excellent giftes of true pitie and zeale of knowledge and vnderstanding in other good learning and especiallie in the heauenlie knowledge of diuinitie and in it particularlie of the Discipline and spiritual pollicie of the church and of so gracious speach vtterance that the hearers might after truelie report and saye of them Wee sawe them as men that looked into the glorie of God and had bin chaunged into the similitude and likenes of the Lordes owne glorie wee heard them as they that seemed to vs to speake not with the tongues of men but of Aungelles for howe did our hartes burne within vs when we hearde them so zealouslie mightilie pleade on the behalf of God and perswade the receyuing of a booke that had all things in it agreeable to Gods worde and the vse of the best reformed churches surelie such men were fitt aduocates to speake in a cause so holy and so importing the honour of God and the comfort of his people If there were in the Ministerie true and faithfull seruauntes of God such as seeke not them selues but the thinges that belong to Christ Iesus And if there were of euerie Countrie men indued with pitie knowledge wisedome care of the Church the flowre of a lande assembled togither these were in deede for such a purpose to laye their heades togither and to conferre howe they might with most grace set out such a iewell to winne fauor to drawe loue wheresoeuer it should be seene and especiallie of those who should most of all take pleasure in iewelles of price For wherein could any mans giftes be better imployed then in recōmending for publique prayers and administration of the Sacramentes such a booke as is agreeable with the worde of God and the vse of the best reformed Churches Belike such a booke mainteyned not an vnlearned ministerie nor a pontificall Hierarchie which willinglie goe togither and vpholde one another nor reading of Apocripha rather then Canonicall scriptures in the publique assemblie of the Church nor priuate administration of the Sacra nor cases of necessitie of them implying the erroneous doctrine of conference of grace by them for the deede done nor the baptisme of women nor cōfirmation as an ordinance to giue increase of grace nor Bishops of a seuerall ordination and power from other Pastours nor Deacons without anie charge of the poore nor power to minister baptisme without like power to administer the Lordes supper nor to minister both without power to preach except further licence be graūted these such like matters no doubt such a booke could not mainteyne it being apparant what the worde of God is herein and the vse of the reformed churches Contrariwise it must needes be that such a booke appointeth that all Ministers of Sacra should be preachers that preaching bee ioyned alwayes with the ministerie of the Sacramentes and that they be alwayes ministred in the publique assemblie that they bee not diuided from preaching nor one from another in the pastours calling that the Deacons relieue the poore and the Eldership direct the causes of the
church these other pointes like vnto them being declared in the worde of God to be the ordinances of the almightie for the guydance of his Church and this being the vse of the reformed Churches no doubt but they were mainteyned by a booke agreeing with them both Which being so what should I say of them that would endeuor to the vttermost of their power by all good and duetifull meanes the receyuing of a booke so fitt for the aduancement of the honour of God and promising so great good vnto his people but as it is in the Psalme Peace and prosperitie be in thee ô Ierusalem thou citie of God and the Lord prosper those that loue thee Psal 122.6 The Almightie suffer them not to feare the feare of the wicked but shield them from all euil as the naturall and noble sonnes of Abraham Gene 15.3 and whosoeuer they be dealt with here the Lord recompence them with an exceeding great rewarde Hee remember them for good according to the prayer of that worthie restorer of the Citie seruice of God Nehemia Nem. 5.19.13.12.29 and what soeuer they haue done for this people their endeuour to take away the pollutions of the ministerie to set the Lords watch at his gates again euerie Leuite to his worke according to his place the Lorde spare them according to the greatnes of his mercie and remember them and their seruice for good so as their childrens children may receyue at their handes an inheritance of blessing from the Lorde And if any should be otherwise minded the Lord forgiue it them and graunt that they also in his good time may haue this trueth opened to them and be noble and elect instrumentes chosen and appointed of God to the furtherance of the same Thus farre haue I bin bolde to folowe th' occasion offered me in mencion of a booke of common prayer and administration of Sacramentes agreeable to Gods worde and the vse of the best reformed Churches The whiche I am for their sakes who seeke all aduantages to stirre vp the higher powers against vs truely and vnfeynedlie to protest that I write not with purpose to offende anie God being witnes and least of all any that are in authoritie For I bowe my face downe to the grounde before them all of whom it is saide Ye are Gods and in all reuerent duetie acknowledging the most humble and faithfull duetie which I owe to the great power that God hath giuen them to the punishing onely of the euill doer but to the protection maintenance and comfort of all that doe well in the lande yea further as conscience and duetie bindeth mee in that respect I doe not cease to lift vp my harte and my handes to Almightie GOD day and night for them all that it maye please him dailie more and more to increase in them all the princelie giftes that their high places and authoritie doe require and namely that their hartes may bee more enlarged towardes this so necessarie a cause of Gods seruice the comfort of his people which I doe also as my most straight bound and obligation requireth especiallie for our soueraigne Ladie the Queene that as God in his mercie hath honoured hir right excellent Maiestie with these honors th'extinguishing of the fires wherewith the Church consumed the ouerthrowe of idolatrie and false worship of God the establishing of the free professing and preaching of the Gospell of Christe the harbouring of exiles for the gospels sake the deliuering of the Churches of Scotlande from captiuitie patronizing of the Churches of the lowe Countries ayding and assisting of the Churches of France and the comforting in a manner of all the Churches which professe the gospell that I say to these so manie and so highe and chiefe pointes of true honor this also may be added that hir Maiestie by Gods speciall fauour assistance of his holy Spirit may establishe in this hir happie raigne the same order for directing of the Church and publishing the gospell of saluation to all the people within hir Dominion which almightie GOD hath appointed for this purpose to the great aduancement of the honour of GOD the exceeding ioye of all the good people in the lande and hir owne vnspeakeable comfort and glorie with God and men Thus praying not to be misconstrued in that I haue bin bold vpon occasiō to speake a little to the incouragement of Christian and noble mindes in godlie and duetifull maner to sollicite almightie God and th' authoritie he hath set ouer vs in Syons sute being so necessarie and so importinge the good both of the Church and common wealth amongest vs the happie estate whereof dependeth vpon the fauour of God I returne to the Replier To whom for his replie of agreeable I answere that agreeable is not that which is contrarie but whiche hath a correspondence and harmonicall concorde with that wherewith it agreeth And so is it to be vnderstood in the place whereof he maketh question but such a sence woulde he fayne make of agreeable to saue all vpright in an other place which yet will not serue for sundrie repugnances cōtrarieties which are there with the word with the vse of the best reformed Churches And thus farre to his replie to the matter set downe in the thirde part of the foundation Nowe to his replie to the reason wherewith it is confirmed The proofe alleadged for this thirde point he admitteth not so easilie as the matter it selfe Which being graūted to be true it importeth the lesse whether it be fitly proued by it or no yit peraduenture hee would better haue discerned of the consequence from that place if he had considered the man of God there to note not the ciuill Magistrate nor euery one of the faithfull but only the Minister of the word as both the terme it selfe and the dueties of his calling there mentioned doe testifie Whereby it is playne that the wordes of the Apostle doe more particularlie concerne matters of the Church then they doe ciuill pollicie or morall life as he obiecteth Nowe it being saide that the minister of the worde whose calling is the greatest in the Church is fullie and throughlie instructed by the holy scriptures for euery duetie belonging to his office Surelie the Elders and Deacons whose charges are lesse may be taught by the same what belongeth vnto them and if they furnishe and direct him that requireth most furniture and direction surelie then they can not want that neede lesse And if all that are of publike charge in the Church be fully instructed and inabled of God for euerie parte and pointe of their dueties by the holy scriptures what one concerning the discipline of the Church can be saide not to be taught in the word of God seeing the whole Discipline is administred by those that beare publique charge in the church If this proofe content him not he is to be satisfied further in the proofes of the seuerall pointes
of later yeares and of meane vnderstanding that could not discerne so palpable a repugnancie betwene the epistle it selfe and such a subscriptiō This then being all the profe that the replyer for this present notwithstanding his importunate and vnseasonable beating vpon this cause is able to make to prooue the office of an Archbishop the Reader may perceyue what authoritie it ought to haue in the conscience of any Christian man the best euidence witnes that can be produced for the maintenance of it being a razed rolle and a suborned witnes and as they speake in Westminster hall A knight of the Post euen suche another as the Bishop of Roomes proctours would haue proued his vsurpation and vniust authoritie by if the Fathers of that time in Africke had not discouered his fraude and follie Thus we see what cause he hath to breake so often into this matter for any thing he can prooue by this euidence But if this fayle him to proue Bishops and Archbishops to haue bin in the primitiue Church he hath another sure argument that can not disappoint him There were Pastours and Teachers in the primitiue church the Declaration sayeth Elders also and Deacons but sayeth the Replier the office of a Bishop or Archbishop is in substance the office of a Pastour or Teacher so as Bishoppes or Archbishops in the substance of their office are Pastours or Teachers in the Church and as hee addeth in the next page before such as haue bin Deacons too For answere herevnto I denie that they are either Pastors or Teachers for the reasons folowing Such offices as may not be executed by vertue of the forme of ordination of Pastors and Teachers but require another forme of ordination diuerse from it doe themselues differ in substance from the offices of Pastours and Teachers For thus the Apostle to the Hebrewes Heb. 7.16.17.21 proueth the priesthoode of our Sauiour Christ to be diuers frō the Leuiticall priesthood because the forme of ordination differed the one being without an othe and for a time the other with an othe and for euer But the offices of Bishops and Archbishops are such as by vertue of that calling of Pastours and Teachers can not be exercised but require a further particular forme of ordination diuers from the other as appeareth by the booke of their consecration Therefore the offices of Bishops and Archbishops are in substance diuerse from the offices of Pastours and Teachers Agayne All Pastours and Teachers are by bonde of their office and calling to preache the worde with all faithfull diligence Luke 12. 2. Tim 2.3 Act. 6. But Bishops and Archbishops stande not bounde by bond of their calling to preache it for which cause either they leaue it altogither or preache seldome and vpon high and solemne dayes and then onely at their pleasure when they preach and not by any bond of their calling Therefore Bishops and Archbishops are not in their offices Pastours and Teachers Further all offices that are the same in substance are of like and equall power Therefore if the offices of Bishops Archbishops be the same in substance with Pastours and Teachers then is their power one and equall with theirs at the least in Ministerie of spirituall grace as also in worde they pretende them to be That they are not equall appeareth in that no Pastour nor Teacher may doe sundrie thinges which are esteemed by them selues to be and some of them in deede are in their due administratiō ministeries of spirituall grace For Cōfirmation is saide to be a meanes of increase of spirituall grace and strength Absolution is a ministerie of spirituall grace as testifying and assuring the absolued in the worde of the great King of Kings that his sinnes are forgiuen him Ordination to the Ministerie is also a ministerie of spirituall grace not onely in regarde of the office but also of the encrease of grace bestowed vpon such as are duelie ordayned to it the Lorde him selfe authour of the calling giuing according to his promise to such as in faith thereof and in obedience to his good pleasure yeelde vnto it such increase of grace as the newe charge by the will of God layde vpon him and vndertaken in hope of Gods assistance doeth require In all which ministeries Pastours and Teachers whom yet GOD putteth in trust with the worde and message of reconciliation and life and with his holy Sacramentes the seales of God to giue further assurance of the same may not deale by vertue of such their calling but onely Bishops and Archbishops Therefore their power and ministerie being so diuers th' offices them selues must needes also differ Moreouer all Pastours and Teachers are to be ordained to the attendance vpon a certen particular Church and congregation or Parishe as we vse most to call it For so the Apostles Paule and Barnabas did and the rest T it 1. So Paule gaue charge to Titus to ordeine them and so were all they ordained of whom we reade in the holy Scriptures Which also the verie ende vse nature and relation they haue to the Church where they are to serue doeth declare Therefore it is saide to all the Elders of Ephesus Actes 20.28 that they should looke to that Churche whereof the holy Ghost had made them Bishops or Ouerseeers so to all the Elders of the Churches of the Iewes dispersed 1. Pet. 5.2 that they should feede the flocke of God whiche depended vpon them Which point also some of the auncient Coūcels esteemed so materiall as they decreed the ordination which was not to the certaine charge of some particular congregation should be voyde and of none effect But this being so necessarie in all Pastours and Teachers is cleane contrarie in Bishops and Archbishops For their ordination is not to anie particular Church but to a whole Dioces or Prouince And if before such ordination they had charge of any particular Church or were beneficed as the most common speach is such benefices are then voyde and they discharged by law so as they are to be giuen to another So incompatible the true duetie and office of a faithfull Minister of the worde is in lawe esteemed to bee with the office of a Bishop or Archbishop I might adde also that Pastours and Teachers as all other functions Ecclesiasticall deale onely with ecclesiasticall matters such as agree to their seuerall kindes and places For our Sauiour testifieth his kingdome not to be of this worlde Iohn 18.36 And from the beginning to the time of our Sauiour since the Priesthoode bestowed vpon Aaron the two powers haue bin in the ordinarie gouernement of Gods people by the Lords owne ordinance sundred not onely in persons houses and kinreds but in their tribes so as none of the tribe of Juda might exercise the Priesthoode but onely they that were of the tribe of Leui and the tribe of Leui was to cōtent themselues with the seruice of the Tabernacle and were neyther to
vppon all he denyeth the order of the primitiue Church to bee restored in all alleadgeth for reason the differences amongest them in one point or other of order office discipline ryte or ceremonie Of all which or any of them hee giueth no one instance After repeating this agayne in mention of the Scottishe Church he asketh whether their gouernement and order their making of officers and their administration of Sacramentes and booke of common prayers bee all one with the booke which hath bin nowe three times exhibited in Parliament With this repetition hauing gotten the aduauntage to make mention of a booke of common prayer here hee resteth and taketh this one example for all to shewe the differences amongest the reformed Churches Which he would shewe by affirminge of differences betweene the Scottishe booke of common prayer and the booke presented in Parliament written the same printed at Middelborough at London and at Scotlande aboue three hundred differences being a booke little bigger then an Almanacke All which pointes if they were true what reformed Churches are these that differ one from another which he vndertooke to prooue The Scottish Church is one trewe but where is the other from which it differeth except the other bee the booke presented written in Parliament in Englande he nameth none But cōcerning the bookes if they haue so many differences why did he not note at the least some two or three of the principall It is not possible almost for a man to write out one and the same copye oftentymes or to print it but that there will bee some sentence clause worde syllable letter tytle or distinction changed If the differences had bin materiall notwithstanding it were neuer so impertinent I doubt not but hauing fallen into the mention of it hee would haue taken payne to haue noted some of the principall printed copies of that which was written and presented he nameth three whiche should be printed in three sundrie Countries Englande Scotlande and the lowe Countries a matter of as much vntrueth as the rest of his replies As for the bignes of the booke of common prayer presented in Parliament which he to disgrace it sayeth was the bignes of an Almanacke I knowe not of what bignes he may haue seene some Almanacke for all are not of one equall bignes but if he would iustlie haue founde faulte with that booke for being too little he should haue noted that it had wanted some poynt necessarie to be in such a booke eyther for publique prayers or fot administration of Sacramentes or any such like matter But if it haue all such things in it at large there is no faulte iustly to bee founde with the smallnes of it It might easilie haue bin greater if it had bin stuffed with impertinent matters nothing belonging to the Ministers office nor warrantable by the worde of God as with orders for priuate administrations of the Sacramentes Churching of Women Buryall seruice Confirmation making of Priestes and Deacons Bishops and Archbishops with a number of other such like But these and such like being matters neyther warranted by the worde nor sette down in the auncient Lyturgies bearing the names of Iames the Apostle of Chrisostome and of Basile nor in the Liturgie of the reformed Churges it seemeth there was no cause to make it bigger with such stuffe A little point of a Diamond is more worth then a great deale of such siluer as wee had at the beginning of her Maiesties raigne and nowe to hir highnes immortalll prayse and enriching of all the subiectes with out anie offence for the innouation and to the great contentement of all men is made finer and brought to the ancient standard appointed by lawe Bookes and namely of this vse are not to be wayed at the Kings beame where they waighe packes and vessels of great bulke and quantitie but in golden waightes and ballances where things of pryce and valewe are vsed to be wayed A masse of owre and an ingotte of siluer or golde are greater before they come to the furnace but after the fyre hath tried and refined them from drosse base mettall the body of it is not so great yet is it more ritch and precious then it was before In like maner that little booke if it haue bin well purged and tryed and oftentymes refined in the Lordes furnace by workemen of skill and faithefull in their seruice notwithstanding it be but litle yet may be much more worth then some other of greater bignes and embased with much allay No man findeth faulte nowe that a shilling is neere as little as a slyp-tester was at the beginninge of hir Maiesties raigne but rather acknowledged herein that hir Maiestie hath deserued all humble thankes of all hir subiects with most faithfull duetie and seruice to her highnes great prayse and honour Oh that it might please GOD in whose hande the hartes of Princes are as the Bardge is in the Bardgmans to turne whither he will to turne this Royall Bardge of her Maiesties harte towarde the Lordes sanctuarie to consider well all things in it and to touche the golde and siluer of it which ought to be ritchest as the sicle of the Sanctuarie also was wont to be and finding it besides all the abhominable drosse that her Maiestie through the goodnes of God hath taken from it to holde yet much allay and base mettall to cōmaunde it to be tryed and refyned yet seuen times in the fire till all the siluer and golde in it and the treasure belonging to it should be fine precious and answerable to the standarde ordayned by the lawe of God and the Temple of the Lorde in a spirituall maner riche and royall as in the dayes of Salomon Surely if the Lord should vouchsafe so to blesse vs much lesse cause should any man haue to quarrell at the small quantitie of the booke of cōmon prayer or any other pieces of the holy treasure and vessells of the Sanctuarie being incomparably enriched in estimation and pryce but rather should haue more iust cause then for crying Downe the bace money and enritching our coyne according to a standarde appointed by the lawes of the Realme to acknowledge with all humble thankes and increase of most duetifull loue and allegance a care so Princely so Christian so agreeing with the like presidents of her right noble Ancetours hir Highnes Father and Brother of worthie memorie and hir owne religious most honourable beginnings to the exceeding great encrease of the honour of Almightie God hir Maiesties immortall prayse with God and men and the vnspeakeable reioycing and comfort of many thousandes of her most loyall and duetifull subiectes Therefore it is not the smallnes of that booke that can disgrace it seeinge that commeth of the taking away of manie vnnecessarie partes and seeing that it conteyneth all such partes in it as are necessarie and lyke to haue bin in any Liturgie reported to haue bin within any time of
fiue hundred yeares after Christ or are nowe founde to bee vsed in anie of the reformed Churches And thus much vppon the occasion here offred of this booke Agayne hauing thus answered the Replie to these wordes all rightly reformed churches I am now to proceede to the examination of his exceptions to the frute alledged by the declaration to come of this order of discipline prescribed in tbe word the want of the like where it is not receiued The declaration herein saith that the foresaid order is now restored againe in all rightly reformed churches with such daily encrease glory of the kingdome of Christe suppression of the tyrannie of Sathan that the only experience of it might be a sufficient persuasiō to vs to leaue this disordred state of ours wherein we haue so long labored with so litle profit The reply to this beginneth with a tale out of Aesops fables of an Asse lodē with salt which is vnsauorie I dout not to the discrete reader howsoeuer he wold make it tast with his moral I wishe he did as well cōsider Balaams asse the reproof wherwith the dūbe beast speaking with mans voyce 2. Pet. 2.15 reproued the madnes of Balaam who desired the reward of iniquitie that is of cursing the people of god a warning to al prophetes to take heede they be not caried away with hope of rewards althogh they might hope thereby to atteine to greatest honors to oppose them to god his people to curse that whiche is blessed of god be an occasiō of the fall of Israell The next point in this reply is a matter of no coherence with that which was propoūded of the frute of discipline where it is established but a denial that we are boūd to folow their examples herin yea or that of the primit church it self for these are his very words which declare saith he what we may do but bind vs not by any law or cōmandement of Christ his Apostles Which because he saith it is the very point he demureth vpō I will shew him such bookes for it as he shall haue cause to say the law of god is cleare to demurre no more vpon this matter What good exāple there may be any wheresoeuer wee are boūd to folow it by the Apostles rule saying What things soeuer are true reuerend iust pure amiable cōmēdable Phil. 4.6 if there be any vertue or any praise thinke of these things doe these things which ye haue learned receyued heard seene in me the God of peace be with you Whiche rule not being of particular persons onely but extending it self also to the Churches as concerning here as well the body of the Church of the Philippians as any speciall member in it declareth that Churches are bounde to followe the good examples of other Churches To the Corinthes the Apostle saieth in a matter that concerned a part of the gouernement of the Church Jf any seeme to be contentious we haue no such custome nor the Churches of God Which I thinke leauing the consideration of it to the christian Reader because it is commonly taken otherwyse may carie this sense that besides all the former reasons which he had vsed in that matter they should alleadge to such as were contentious his contrarie custome and the contrarie custome example of the Churches meaning that both hee in his person and also all the Churches so vsed that order of an outwarde decencie in the presence of the publike ecclesiasticall assemblie whereof he there speaketh as he willed the Church of Corinth for to vse it In like maner doeth hee presse them with the examples of the Churches in another poynt of Discipline alleadging the same as binding them to correct and reforme their abuses by the exāple of the good order in such pointes which was vsed in other churches Came the worde of God sayeth the Apostle from you or is it come to you onely By which wordes the Apostle presseth them as constrayned by cōtrarie example of the churches to reforme their disorders except they would be singular and esteeme them selues onely wise Wherein it is also to bee obserued that the first sayeth Came the worde of GOD from you for notinge hereby the Church of Jerusalem planted by t'haduyse and counsel of the Apostles he declareth that other Churches were to cast their eyes as vpon all the churches that were at that time to conforme them selues like vnto them so especially that they were to haue care to be like the church of Jerusalem From which church as the worde of God came as it was sayde The Lawe should come out of Syon and the worde of God from Ierusalem Act. 1.8 according wherevnto charge was giuen to the Apostles to testifie of our Sauiour in Ierusalem firste then in all Iurie after in Samaria and from thence to the endes of the world so did also the Discipline of God and the order appointed by our Sauiour Christ to be kept in all the churches So as there seemed the paterne to be which all the churches were to followe as Moses was to expresse that which was shewed in the mountayne To like purpose in another place the same Apostle sayeth speaking of an order to gather for the churches of Jewrie So I haue appoynted in all the Churches of Galatia 1. Cor. 16.1 Agayne by the example of other churches vrging the church of Corinth to that whiche was duetie for them to doe All which testimonies prooue that the examples of the churches in that wherein they are set before vs in the worde of God to followe and especiallie of the primitiue Church whiche is by the Replyer expounded to be the Church of the Apostles times and of their planting whose example for that ende is reported to vs in the worde of God doe binde other churches to conforme them selues vnto them There were in deede some things extraordinarie in them which are easie to be discerned and belong not to our example But that whiche was ordinarie in them for the same reason it was deliuered vnto them bindeth the churches of all ages to the like Nowe the holy storie reporteth that the Apostles them selues and by the Euangelistes setled the Churches in an ordinarie course wherein they were to continue after their departure from them Whiche for what cause all should not bee bounde vnto I see no sufficient reason that can be alleadged For the reasons for which such order was giuen to them were the same for which we haue no lesse neede of that order then they had There were ordayned Teachers in the ptimitiue Church because men are by nature ignoraunt of the will of God Pastours or Exhorters because by nature men are disobedient and rebellious euen to the knowen will of God Elders as watchmen of the Citie of God because there are daungers without daungers within Rom. 7. that may hazarde the good estate thereof The assemblie of Elders that the
and so holde it needles to speake anie more to this matter howe often soeuer the Replier shal charg vs and proceede on to the consideration of such other matter as in the rest of this his first booke he hath layde before vs. Proceeding on with this sentence He rayseth like hues and cryes vpon the declaration for the wordes what pleaseth them after for these of all men and last of all vppon these without all further inquirie naming many idle questions and pulling harde to strayne this to reache to all politike matters The effect wherevnto he tendeth is that nothing is vrged for indifferent amongst vs that is not indifferent and that things being once so established as they are all men should rest in such determination without further question Which things he is content barelie to affirme but it may appeare by the petition presented to the Conuocation house for resolution that sundrie godlie learned and faithfull Ministers not finding many poyntes so cleare as they are made in this place desired to be resolued vpon what good warrant of the worde of God they might reade in their publique ministerie Apocrypha bookes for Canonicall Scripture and that for this respect as more edifying the church then some Canonicall like assurance they desired to haue for to reade sundry most euident apparant abuses of the holy Scripture directlie in sense and in wordes cōtrarie to the text Likewise also how as indifferent or not repugnāt to the word they might holde the reading ministerie the exercise of ciuill power in the Bishops and their so large and immoderate power in causes ecclesiasticall and their forsaking the worke of their calling and the seruice of particular Congregations the iustifying of baptisme by Women cases of necessitie for priuate administration of them rytes misticall and with signification of doctrine besides those which are instituted of our Sauior Christ an office of Deacon without all charge of the poore and for reading of diuine seruice and ministring only the one Sacrament of Baptisme Of these and many other like pointes debated at large both in that petition and in the first part of this defence they desired to bee resolued vpon what grounde of Gods holy worde they might holde them indifferent or not repugnant to the word of god And yet without any aunswere to their peticion without any warrant of the Lawe eyther of God or man A subscription is vrged vpon them not onely as the Replyer setteth it down but as it liketh him whose it is though it beare neither his image nor superscription and sometime in this forme to promise faithfullie by it neyther priuatelie nor publiquelie directlie nor indirectlie to depraue reprooue or reprehende anye gouernement order ryte or ceremonie established c. What cause therefore the Declaration hath to esteeme some not indifferent in shewing what is indifferent appeareth by these Articles Now whereas secondlie he would haue no inquirie of things established let him shewe eyther that all thinges established once by authoritie are well established and ought without anie question to be receyued of all or els he must needes leaue it to the Church and to all the people of God to examine and trye orders setled and established by authoritie But the former can not be prooued by any sufficient or likely reason For that were to continue poperie and paganisme and euery false worship amongst men for euer And to enforce men so without all inquire to receyue what soeuer religion or matter in religion is ordeined by the ciuill Magistrate were to make euerie state established as abhominable an idoll as was the golden Image of Nebuchadnezzar and exalteth Princes of the earth aboue the heauenly King blessed for euer Therefore he must needes leaue it free to the people of God to consider of the ordinances of authoritie Which being lawfull as it is and not lawfull onely but also duetifull and necessarie then in case that any eyther of the Ministerie or other calling shal discouer any thing to haue bin otherwyse decreed then by Gods worde appertayneth it must needes be graunted that such in a reuerent duetiful maner may offer the cōsideratiō of it to the higher powers that reuisiting their owne former actes vppon further knowledge of the will of God they may amende and reforme whatsoeuer by the worde they shall discerne necessarie to be reformed And thus farre to the effect of the rest of his discourse vppon the sundrie wordes of this sentence The laste sentence of this section wherein the Declaration referreth ouer the intreatinge of the Supremacie till that be declared that concerneth Ecclesiasticall officers the Replyer after hauing played withall a whyle and sought to make him selfe and his friendes merye with vnseasoned iesting speache without any grace of edificatiō or matter worthie answere passeth on to the next section In that parte which he maketh the next section the Declaration first affirmeth it not needfull nor agreeable to good order of teaching to begin in that treatise First with the Soueraigntie of Princes and after argueth it by reason that that the Church was perfect in all hir regiment when no Princes were Christians and at this day is in good estate where it hath small fauour of them Wherevpon it concludeth that the regiment of the church dependeth not vppon the authoritie of Princes but vpon the ordinance of God Which cōclusion is enlarged by this that god hath so established the Church that as it may greatly prosper with the cōfortable ayde of christiā Magistrates so yet it may cōtinue or preuayle against the aduersaries of it without that helpe For the church receiueth helpe of the same to proceede more peaceably and profitably but receyueth all hir authoritie immediatly of god The Replier beginneth with the first of these sentences wherein it is affirmed to be neither needfull nor orderly in teaching to begin to intreate of the supremacie in a discourse of this nature that the Declaration is of And in this sentence he firste vndertaketh to reprooue that it is sayde not to be needfull Wherevnto he entreth with an vntrueth affirming the Declaration to haue alreadie alleadged for one cause of this order to bee least the opinion of such as giue the disposition of all Religon or at least of all indifferent matters in religion to Princes might be otherwise fauoured whereas the Declaration made not mention in anie sorte of those opinions for that purpose but to take occasion from them to satisfie all men concerning the order followed in that treatise His reply to that the Declaration saith it is not needfull to begin with the Supremacie is in effect of no valewe but yeeldeth to the iudgement of the declaration For the Replier confesseth in playn termes it is not needful as of necessitie after alledging Peter the Apostle speaking first of Magistrates sayth likewise that that order is not so needful neyther that it should prescribe Which if it be so what a friuolous reply is
was any christian Prince Beholde what wordes of Gellius hee citeth to proue it But they obiect sayeth Gellius that in the time of Christ and of Paule there was no Christian Magistrate If this be their obiection howe is it the selfe same reason that is vsed by the Declaration which speaketh not of all Magistrates but onely of soueraigne Princes Further Gellius beginneth his aunswere therevnto thus as he him selfe hath translated him The authoritie of the Magistrate is not therefore weakened albeit in the time of Christ and of Paule Emperours Kings set in high estate were aliens from the faith Could any thing be spoken more directly against that which he would prooue by this testimonie or more expresselie for that which the Declaration sayeth and he would improue Yet from this page he beginneth to set these wordes in the toppe of the page in a diuers letter Christian Princes from the beginning and so continueth in the next Christian Princes in the Apostles times from these being the 136. and 137. pages to the 145. in whiche and the next he hath Christian Princes from the beginning All which conteyne litle els but Gellius wordes worde for worde translated A preatie way to make a shewe to the state of hauing taken great paynes to mainteyne the ecclesiasticall gouernement of it If he can helpe him selfe thus with stuffing his booke with other mens writings We haue heard how Gellius entreth into that discourse playnlie disauowinge the proofe of that in the very beginning for whiche hee would haue him speake Vpon which place it serued wel for his purpose to make that note in the margent but surely modestie and shamefastnes neuer aduysed him to set so direct an vntrueth so hye in his booke that all men might see it For in all the rest of Gellius wordes in so many leaues as I haue noted rehearsed by him there is no such matter intended nor proued Onely in naming such Magistrates as were called to the faith of Christ he reckoneth vp the a Mat. 8.5 Cēturion in the gospel and b cap. 27.57 Ioseph of Arimathea c Luke 1.3 Theophilus to whom Luke dedicateth his writing of the Gospell d Iohn 3.1 Nichodemus e Actes 13.7 Sergius Paulus the f Actes 8.27 Treasurer of Candaces g Captain Cornelius with certaine other of Asia of Rome and of Caesars house Wherein let euery thing be enforced to the vtmost yet will he come short by many degrees of a soueraigne Prince of the faith of our Sauiour Christ in that tyme. Which principall purpose notwithstanding he misse of yet supposed he not to leese his labour in writing out so many leaues of an other mans booke to stuffe his owne withall therefore hath scattered obseruations as he goeth in the margent which belike he thought the Reader should take as admonitions that such a matter serued for him and made against the Declaration Whereof one in his margent is A Church without a Magistrate neuer seene whereby hee would seeme to giue his Reader to vnderstande that Gellius should denie that euer there had bene seene any Church where the people haue not bene gouerned by christian Magistrates which is nothing the meaning of Gellius For hee speaketh of Magistrates in generall and the vse of it in the ordinance of GOD to punishe the wicked and to protect him that liueth according to his duetie what soeuer the Magistrate bee in regarde of his religion And in this sense denyeth that euer there hath bene seene anie Church where the people of it haue not bene subiect to Magistrates which is very trew For euen in the time of our Sauiour Christ and the Apostles the Empire of Roome flourished and ruled in a manner all the worlde as it is noted in the thirde Chapter of Saint Lukes Gospell And as there were Magistrates that ruled then ouer men in all places so the ordinance of God in Magistracie What soeuer the religion of the Magistrates were was needfull and profitable vnto the Church Whereof the reason is euident for that thereby they were oftentimes in their innocencie deliuered frō those who would haue done them wrong as Paule was by appealing to Caesar Therefore whereas hee noteth in the next place that the godlie haue neede of the Magistrate is likewise trewe yea and the next to it whiche hee noteth out of Gellius that the vse of Magistracie is such as that it were rather to bee wished there were no common wealth without a trewe Christian Magistrate then the Christian Magistrate should be excluded from the Church of God that is that a christian bearing ciuill office should therfore be cut of from the church as the Anabaptistes would For this is plainly the meaning of Gellius howsoeuer he haue set downe the note of his wordes shortly and obscurely fitlie to make the reader gather another sense as if Gellius meant to say rather no cōmon wealth without a Christian Magistrate then a Magistrate excluded from the Church or not to bee reckoned an ecclesiasticall office But the sense as I sayde is playne In whiche meaning also is that written whereof hee maketh after this note in the margent The Magistrates office necessarie to the church not that the Churche cannot stande except the Magistrate where the Church is bee of the faith but that what soeuer hee bee in that respecte his office in the ordinance of GOD is necessarie and comfortable to the Churche To which ende Gellius addeth for proofe in the verie next wordes otherwise why did Paule and Peter write of that matter to the faithful that were subiect to the discipline of Christ For the Romanes to whom hee wrote were vnder Nero as were also at that time the other His next note in the margent vpon Gellius his wordes is that certayne of the Prophetes and Apostles exercised also the office of the Magistrate This is another of his impertinencies I might saye vntruethes for heere Gellius attributeth this no more to the Apostles then to our Sauiour Christ who directlie said His kingdome was not of this worlde Iohn 18.36 but I chieflie note his impertinencie For what is this to proue that he vndertooke to witte that there were Christian Princes in the Apostles times But he had a meaning to admonishe the Reader to staye consider of the poyntes here handled by Gellius wherevnto also tendeth his next note why God distinguished those offices For there Gellius shewinge that these functions are not contrarie so as for the contrarietie of their nature they could not meete togither but that the one should destroy th' other as fire and water seeing Melchisedech Eli Samuell exercised both and the distinguishing of them was not for their repugnancie but because one man was scarse sufficient to exercise both He might thinke peraduenture the Reader might gather here something by the way for the maintenāce of the cōfusiō of both offices in those that are of the ministerie
giftes was a disorder of particular persons not any imperfection in the regiment Where by when the disorder brake out it was corrected redressed The perfectiō of the regiment of the church can not make that offences and disorders should not be committed which thorowe the infirmitie and corruption of our nature will be and hath bin at all times but it may remedie and reforme them when they breake out The same is to be sayde of his next reason that at that time there were false Apostles Pastours Teachers and Deacons which being graunted argueth not the imperfection of the regiment of the Church at that time but rather it being playne that they who were such were by that regiment discouered and corrected as appertayned proueth the perfection of it His third and last reason is that there were no such gouernours in the primitiue Church to guyde it as the declaration affirmeth there were or els their authoritie extended not to correct so many fowle offences as were in that time or els they did not their duetie or the people would not be ruled by them Any of which latter poyntes being such as might fall out and yet the regiment perfect as if his proofe rested wholy vpon this whether there were any such Elders in the Church at that time or no he leaueth all the other and goeth about onely to proue that one poynt Which because he doeth it most impertinentlie by alleadging 1. Corinth the 6. Chapter whiche serueth nothinge willinglie his purpose but is drawen and haled to it by violence And because I doubt not but if he thinke in deed there be any thing in that place for him wee shall heare it agayne and especiallie because he hath a whole booke after of that matter I leaue it till we may come to it in order In his discourse vpon this place besides the chiefe purpose of handling it alreadie touched he noteth that vnder Christian Princes we are not bound to set vp priuate men to iudge our causes as they were wished and herevpon gathereth that it were a daungerous thinge to followe the primitiue Churches regiment in so doing Wherein if there bee a sparke of true light in him he might perceyue that they were willed to doe so 1. Cor. 6.1 to auoyde pleading before infidells Which cause being taken away where God giueth his Church Christian Magistrates it is playne that ought to cease with the cause Further that was no parte of the ecclesiasticall regiment that the Apostle there speaketh of yet he groweth from this particular to a generall caution of not making ordinarie rules of particular examples or commaundements of the Apostles nor of our Sauiour Christ Mat. 10.9.10 examplifying it by the cōmaundementes to the Disciples of not taking any thing with them in their iourney to preache of absteyning from Idoles bloud strangled where I knowe not why he hath lefte out fornification which is also mentioned with the rest in that text and of praying bareheaded as he translateth it 1. Corint 11. But sayeth he although there be no expresse mention howe long these things should continue yet leaueling these by the analogie of our faith and Christian libertie we finde no necessitie of these or any other such like orders whereby he would implye the like of the regiment of the Churche then vsed and leaue it nowe to our selues to deuise an order that may bee thought meete Which reason if it were good would ouerthrowe all Christian Religion For if it bee so as hee teacheth what shall binde the church If neyther examples nor cōmaundement neither of our Sauiour Christ nor of his Apostles shall binde vs but he will saye hee speaketh of particular examples and rules but I aunswere he would applye this to generall perpetuall examples and commaundements such as that Discipline set downe in the Declaration is grounded vpon as hath bene shewed before And for those that are particular he leuelleth fayre but commeth not neare the marke by a myle for none of those he mentioneth were contrarie as they were commaunded either to the analogie of faith or to Christian libertie for if they had they could not haue bounde those to whom they were giuen at that time Therefore to hitte his marke he must take another leuell and consider the reason of such rules and commandements which caryeth in it the light and the lyfe of the cōmaundementes For where that reason holdeth not there are we free from the cōmaundement but where the reason is in force there are we no les bounde to the substance and effect of such particular commandement then they were So if there could be like reason as caused that commandement to the Disciples we were in such case to keepe it where the same offence is iustlie to be feared in eatinge of meates forbiddē as was then may be in many like cases now to the end there that order of the Apostles bindeth As for the last place out of the 1. Corinth 11. if he looke better vpon it hee shall finde that the Apostle groundeth that order there prescribed vpon so generall and necessarie reasons of the ordinance of GOD the glorie of our Sauiour Christe the regarde of Angelles and the voyce of nature and the custome of all the Churches as hee hath taken his leuell farre amisse to leaue it at libertie whether a man keepe it or no prouided that hee vnderstande the Apostles meaninge aright which is that men and women especially being present in the publike assemblies of the church should carie the marke of their creation agreeable to the sexe whereof they were the woman wearing vpon hir head a vayle or kerchief or such other attyre according to the lawfull custome of their Countrey and place of aboade as declareth her sexe and subiection to man by such couerture of her head And the man by not wearing any such attyre vppon his head as is proper to womankinde but by wante of any such vpon his head hewe the glorie of Christ and the honour that in the order of creation is bestowed vpon men Therefore notwithstanding his caution or any thing here alleadged to the contrarie it remayneth firme and stable that the constant and perpetuall examples of the Churches the orders rules and commaundements of our Sauiour Christ and of his Apostles both for the poyntes of doctrine to be beleeued and also for such as are to bee obeyed and practised in the publique gouernement of the Church and in the priuate lyfe of euery one doe binde the conscience of all the people of God to keepe and to obey them yea the most particular rules the like case and reason being in vs that was in them to whom they were giuen There followeth a little needles proofe that Magistrates are necessarie whiche being knowen sufficientlie and confessed of all I proceede to that which followeth That which followeth is a replie to the conclusion which the Declaration gathereth of the former reason set