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A35901 The Dialogue between the Pope and a fanatick concerning affairs in England revived 1681 (1681) Wing D1333B; ESTC R694 22,866 42

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's sure to be catalogued for a Martyr and Saint here immediately and after a little frying with the Devil and so not worth the speaking of shall with the least whistle imaginable of his holy and merciful Father the POPE be releast out of those Torments and sent to rights up to Heaven and made a seven-fold more glorious Star in Paradise O Ralph this is the way to gain well in both Worlds Ralph Much good may do 'em with their penny-worths I will never envy them their imaginary Felicity my good Genius make me plain honest and simple I say and let them be crafty intriguing and be damn'd if they will Hodg. Thou say'st well and like a Christian Ralph Down-right honesty very unfashionable now a-days and though it be an unfashionable thing now a-days this down-right-honesty yet I had rather undecently go to Court without my Perriwig than I would appear there brave and gallant and be forced to play the doublets of a Jonathan and a Judas Ralph I think so o' my Conscience but prythee now why dost use that Unmanly Expression can no body be a Friend there unless they are Treacherous too and supplanting Hodg. Troth hardly that design greatness and as the word is to make any considerable figure in White-Hall Ralph Oh strange Hodg. They live by tripping up one anothers heels He that has the largest and most mysterious Politick fetches in him that can Countermine smoothly and manage his own private designs with the slyest and most insinuating Artifice and Address is most likely to be THE man at Court How Courtiers are like meer Peggs Ralph Then Courtiers are just like meer Peggs Hodg. For all the World The One is driven out by the Greater Force of the other and he 's fast in for a while till a stronger comes and bolts at him and thrusts him out of his place Ralph Good lack but well as we were talking before must not we believe the Books that are every day coming out and proving it to us as plain as the Nose on our Faces that the Presbyterians at the least have two Hands and a Foot in This that they call the horrid Popish Plot Hodg. I know not Somewhat ticklish to speak any thing well of Phanaticks for it 's a ticklish thing to speak the least word that may seem incling to favour them They say they have suck'd all their poison from the Jesuits and are now grown up to be such Masters in improvement that they out-shoot their Fathers in their own principles two Barrs and a half Ralph Indeed so they are look'd upon to be most pestilent Enemies both to Church and State But how far they are concern'd in this Plot methinks I can't yet discover and I tell you but so if they are in 't they are the Devil and all at managing their designs That they should n't be yet once trapped all this time Hodg. Come I know not it may be I may be counted one of their Flock in having so charitable an Opinion of them as to this matter but I can't help it and I must say Not sufficient yet prov'd to make Persons believe they are in this Plot. that nothing has been proved upon 'em yet sufficient to make me believe any such thing against them and to tell you truly my thoughts of them at this present I do believe they never generally speaking for you know there are some bad people of all perswasions and let them that are so whoever they be If they be may they all suffer that deserve it suffer in Gods name as they shall be detected I say they never carried themselves more peaceably and with greater guard and circumspection over all their words than now since the Noise of this most Hellish Plot But if any of them can be justly accused for covert evil Actions in the least tending to the disturbance of the peace and quiet of the State fiat Justitia currat lex I wish with all my heart so impartial am I not one of the really guilty may escape their deserved punishment Ralph Why then mark me Thou art either very obstinate and hardened in thy Unbelief or else hast never met with those Pamphlets that I have read within these few days Hodg. I think I am as easie of belief as thou art of things that may rationally be believed And to make it out to thee that I am so You shall see if any body can but half so clearly prove upon the Presbyterians the third part of what has been fairly and undenyably proved upon the Papists witness their own confessions after tryal of a most Treasonable and bloudy design against the Kings most Sacred Person and to alter the Religion established by Law and to Subvert the Government I say if any of all this can be proved upon them you shall see I will as readily believe them as villainous Traytors as the blackest yet that e're have suffer'd But do y' think I 'll pin my Faith upon the Sleeve of every scandalous idle Pamphlet that is writ by some of their kept hirelings for that purpose only to amuse the World and if it be possible to set us altogether by the Ears Ralph Is that their design to divide us among our selves The main drift of the Dialogue between the Pope and a Phanatick concerning the affairs in England Hodg. Yes yes that so we might do their drudgery for them cut our own throats out of a complying respect to 'em because we won't put them to the trouble on 't This must needs be the very drift and end of that most pernicious Pamphlet that came out lately intituled a Dialogue between the Pope and a Phanatick concerning the Affairs in England Ralph The very same Book I was going to speak of to you I read it Saturday night last and it made almost my hair stand an end to see the abominable things the Phanaticks were there guilty of Hodg. The Phanaticks 'T is an aspersing of the whole Church of England Why it is a perfect aspersing of all the Church of England man And though it seems to complement her yet in truth it is only the more foully to bespatter her with greater fineness and subtlety In my Judgment 't is one of the most abominable pieces I ever yet read Ralph How can all this be At the bottom of the Ti-Page since it is writ as he says by a hearty Lover of his Prince and Country Hodg. Ay ay the Title-page of a Book may now a dayes say any thing that 's only to make it pass more plausibly what Origen sayes to Celsus speaking of the Egyptian's sacred places of Worship may be very well applied here Mr. Blounts Anima mundi pag. 6. When you approach their sacred places saith he ye shall meet with stately groves Chapels and Temples with magnificent Gates also with variety of mysterious Ceremonies But when once you are entred and got within their Temples
THE DIALOGUE Between the Pope and a Fanatick CONCERNING AFFAIRS IN ENGLAND REVIVED LONDON Printed for John Kidgell at the Atlas in Cornhill MDCLXXXI Advertisement to the Reader THe Dialogue between the Pope and a Phanatick c. is a Pamphlet of such a pernicious design that I am sure all honest men will have the last aversion for it and certainly the Author of it whoever he be must be a Man of the most hardened effrontery in the World It is a perfect resolution to attempt the change of the present Government by putting the whole Nation into a Flame and to be sure nothing less than a Romish Constitution will serve his turn that durst to write so impudent a Book and so scandalously reflecting upon the King the Parliament the Church and the People of England This is to lay open to you the grossness of it and to shew you the subtle artifices he makes use of whereby to insinuate himself into the minds of the Easie and Credulous and to gain over Proselytes to him But though all his aims are to raise heats and divisions among us yet I hope we shall be so wise as to Counterplot his Stratagems and defeat him in his Politicks and the more He and such Turbulent Spirits that are like himself shall indeavour to irritate and provoke us by all the ways they can invent to Clashings and mutinies within our selves so by degrees to bring us up to a Civil-VVar again as in forty one I say the more these things shall be indeavoured by men of such ill and destructive Principles to the good of the State the more we shall make it our chief business and Study to live in peace and in Brotherly Love and kindness one towards another This is the readiest way to dash all their designs in pieces and to keep our selves secure from the effect of their wicked and industrious malice against us let us then take up unanimously the saying of the Poet Nulla salus Bello Pacem te poscimus omnes and be quiet in spight of all their vigorous attempts to make us otherwise holding fast our Faith in the Established Religion and maintaining a steady Loyal and constant obedience to the King whom God Almighty long preserve to rule over us I am to inform you that there have been two Impressions of this Dialogue one of three sheets and a half the other of two sheets and a half and that none may be deceived and think I have injured him by misquoting I must tell you I only saw the latter of them and I have follow'd those figures in directing you to him And here according to Mr. Hobbes's train of thoughts I cannot but take notice how fast and how many of such a base Pamphlet as this shall be bought up when perhaps several others that are writ with truth and honesty and a generous design to do the Nation publick service shall scarce ever be inquired after Methinks it is but an ill omen and that the Generality of mens minds want a good Establishment But if we were but once well settled and firmly resolved junctis viribus to oppose our Common Enemy we should quickly see the plotting Jesuit would fly away from us like a wild Colt in a pasture at the sight of a Bridle or a Halter An Answer to the Dialogue between the Pope and a Phanatick c. Hodg. RAlph How is' t The Greeting How goe all squares in this world Ralph ' Troth not well I think the Devil 's in the shuffling of the Cards Hodg. What because you can get ne're a Court one to turn up trump yet Ralph Thou say'st right I can see ne're a good Face in the whole pack for me Hodg. O ho Ralph thou must wait thy time I warrant thee promotion before thou dy'st if thou wilt observe my method Ralph Why Ay That 's it I would be at indeed but I want your pregnant parts and that reaching diving head-piece of yours Thou hast got a trouling fancy Ah Hodge what a Prince should I be and I thy Abilities thy pate is just like an old Womans Leather Chaps that have lost their grinders and is troubled with the Palsie so far that it never lies still but is perpetually working and there 's always some good coming on 't too Hodg. Why ye Rogue you how dost think that is reading What an e●cellent th●●● reading is reading reading man has gain'd it since this damnable Popish Plot has been discovered there have come out so many notable good and bad Books on all sides that I vow to thee I am become sublime like a Philosopher can hold out pro and con with the best of them and if I pleas'd could make this pass for a meer sham plot on the Papists part and effectually turn it over and cast it upon the Presbyterians Ah Ralph The world should see with half an eye i'faith they were all in 't for Cakes and Ale had I but once a mind to it Ralph Why hark you hark you Hodge is not the Popish Plot over yet I thought only the Presbyterian was now on foot we have had no talk of the other in our parts this I know not how long ●●ey'd fain ●ssess our ●●ads with 〈◊〉 years of 〈◊〉 c. to ●●ake us for●● these of ●● 80 c. All our Fears and Jealousies of late have been lest we were running post to the years of Forty one and those times and I 'm sure that has seem'd to be the design of most our Pamphlets for these two Months at least Hodg. Nay then I perceive thou understand'st nothing why so things should be carryed you Fool you if ever people mean to have their Designs take effect VVhat would you have them plot and tell too Ralph No but as I would not have them such Fools if they were plotting as to tell so neither ought they on the other hand to be such Villains such Devils Incarnate as to hatch and hatch on and in the mean time by such confounded lying Anticipations to make us believe they are innocent and that those who really are so are most notoriously guilty Hodg. VVhoo that 's nothing with the Papists that man deserves a thousand Gibbets and the Eternal Torments of a Spanish Inquisition that won't lye and swear Ay and damn himself too if he should be put to 't for the promotion of any good Roman Catholick Cause ●●ousands 〈◊〉 rather ●●sent to ●●nn them●●●es than ●●ay their ●●se Ralph O Lord bless us all you scare me why will any man knowingly be willing to damn his Soul for the triflle of any earthly Cause in this World Hodg. Ay Ay there be thousands that will rather than have their Cause betray'd what a goodly piece of business is' t for a man designedly upon a publick account and for the sake of Religion For it is nothing the Pope can release them when he pleases to run his Soul into Hell-sire when he