his Apostles had nothing in coÌ„mon or in priuat which was the heresie of those that are called Fratricelli or Pauperes de Lugduno most chieflie of al men set forth by a Frier called Michaël de Cesena and our Countriman Frier Ockam aÌ„d Marsilius Patauinus and by this your Emperour Lewes of Bauarie and by Petrus de Corbario the Antipope that ye say was placed in pope Iohns roome who keping a Conuenticle in Italie condemned pope Iohn for an Heretique as your Author Marius declareth So that this faction in this wise on euerie side banded grew to a very great schisme And many so fondly and obstinately dwelt in this opininion that they died as obstinately and wretchedly for it And yet these men as I haue saied are not onely holy brethren but holye Martyrs too with Maister Foxe And nowe good Maister Horne tell vs your iudgement in the matter Is it Heresie or is it no heresie to defende this opinion obstinatlie If ye say it is heresie â–ª then doe ye confesse your newe Heade of the Church with his newe Idole and Antipope an Heretique and doe shew your selfe a greate slaunderouse lyer against pope Iohn and a very fonde madde man thus to fight against your selfe and your owne cause If ye doe stoutelie denie this to be heresie as yee seeme by the order of your declaration to denie it as well as the rest then shewe you your selfe no simple Schismatique nor simple Heretique and so ye are at the least messhed here in foure heresies To set some fast footing in the discussioÌ„ of these matters and seriouslye to weigh and examine euery thing woulde aske some larger talke theÌ„ we may now vnlesse we would be to to tediouse to our reader wel spare But yet for the two principal matters seing you make so light of Pope Iohn and the Churches Authoritie I will conuince you and sufficientlye to I hope and by suche a witnesse as your owne Emperour of all other men in the worlde did most esteme and reuerence yea and kissed his fote to PerchauÌ„ce Maister Horne ye longe to heare of this man Truelye he is none other but your Emperours dearling and idole the Antipope I meane Petrus de Corbario Who at leÌ„gth called no doubt thereto by the speciall grace of God better aduising him selfe of his doings and weighing them better with him selfe after mature and seriouse discussing of them in fyne founde him selfe no Pope but a miserable and a wretched intruder in the sea of S. Peter and a damnable disturber of the peace and vnitye of Christes Churche and to say all at ones a greauouse schismatike and an heynouse heretike Wherefore fynding the worme of conscience bytinge and gnawing his harte he fell to greate sorowe and lamentation and forthwith being then at a citie in Italy called Pisa before the Archebisshoppe of the said citye and the Bisshoppe of Luke and manye other honorable persons aswell of the clergy as of the laity voluntarilie and willinglye shewed howe penitente he was for his greauouse enormities and before them and certayne notaries for a full testimonie of his true repentance gaue ouer his vsurped primacie and plainely confessed that he hadde bene a schismatike and an heretike and he did put him selfe into the handes and mercie of the right Pope Iohn the .22 And wrote vnto him resident then at Auinion in Fraunce his moste humble submission in the which he declareth that as him selfe was but an vsurper of the Apostolique â–ª See So your Lewys of Bauarie was no lawfull Emperour but an vsurper He declareth further that both he and the said Lewes mainteyned diuers heresies and namely two of these that ye here specify concerning the pouertie of Christ and the making and the deposinge of the Pope The which he doth by speciall woordes freelie and voluntarilie forsake renounce and abiure And promiseth that he woulde euer after belieue as the sayde Iohn and the holie Churche of Rome belieued Wil ye nowe see good Reader the wonderfull workinge of God that hath brought to Maister Horne his owne Pope to condemne him and his newe Heade of the Churche Lewys for Arrante heretikes Yea to make a shorte aunswere to all Maister Hornes booke and to call yt heresie that Maister Horne doth so stowtlie defende in saying that the Emperour shoulde be aboue the Pope and to haue authority to make or depose the Pope And thus ye heare Maister Horne that contrary to your saying Pope Iohn neither was deposed nor coulde be deposed by your Emperour I meruayle nowe seing that it is a true and sownde doctrine by your newe heades teachinge that Christe and the Apostles hadde nothinge of theire own that your and your fellowes consciences who pretende that ye woulde haue the Churche that nowe is reformed to the paterne of the primityue and Apostolicall Churche are so large that ye are nothing pinched at coÌ„science in keping your godly and great possessions The .30 Chapter Of Gods Iudgement vpon such Emperours as seme most to haue practised M. Horns Primacy Stapleton BVT nowe M. Horne sith we are come by course of tymes and ages to the last Emperour that notoriously rebelled against the Apostolike See of Rome for since this Lewys the .4 they haue al ben obedient ChildreÌ„ to that See especially in al causes spiritual or Ecclesiasticall eueÌ„ to the right Catholike Emperour Maximilian that now reigneth I wil put you brefely in minde to what ends al these disobedient Emperours came Trusting that this consideration of Gods iudgement shal be neither to you bearing your self for a bishop in Gods Church vnpleasant neither for me my vocation considered vnmete neither to the Christian Reader vnfruteful To be short therfore CoÌ„staÌ„â—ius the ArriaÌ„ Emperor which banished Pope Liberius aÌ„d plaied in dede the part of your supreme gouernour died obscurely and miserably whiles he persecuted Iulyan his own Cousen Valens an other ArriaÌ„ Emperor and playing Rex ouer al Catholik Bishops in the East being ouercome in field of the Gothes was burned to ashes in a poore cotage with diuers of his nobles about him which â–ª was neuer read of any Christian Emperour sence or before Valentinian the yonger who called his bisshop S. Ambrose to appeare before his consistory and there to answer in matters of faith his end was to be kylled of his own seruants and shamefully hanged Anastasius the Eutychian Emperour and excommunicated of Pope Gelasius was stroken to deathe with fyre from heauen and Mauritius an vnmerciful persecuter of blessed Pope Gregory and a busy Prince ouer his Bishops seing first his wife and children murdred before his face was murdered at last him selfe of a base Souldiare Phocas Constans nephewe to Heraclius banished the most holy Pope Martinus but seing him selfe for that and such like wicked dedes saith Zonaras hatefull to his subiectes he left Constantinople and liued in Sicilia where at a bathing he was slayne Michael sonne to Theophilus
that yt is moste vntrue ād for the which as ye lay forthe no prouf so shal ye neuer be able to proue yt And yet if ye coulde proue yt ye shoulde dooe none other thinge then that whiche yee doe so solemnlye in the rest of youre booke to proue that which being proued doth yet nothing relieue your cause And thinke you M. Horne that we are so bare and naked from many good proufes but that we may and canne roundlie and redely disproue your fond foolish lye Yea and by that booke by the which your Apostle Caluin and your great Iewell of Englande will though not to their great worship defeate the Second Generall Councell of Nice The Churche of Rome saith he is preferred before all other Apostolicall Sees not by the Decrees of Synodes but by the authoritie of our Lord him selfe saying thou art Peter and so forth And saith farder that he doth most desire to obey the holsom exhortatiōs of Pope Adriā and that Italy Frāce and Germanie doe in al things follow the See of Peter And now wot ye what M. Horne Forsoth this his answere proueth M. Iewell as wel in the Apologie or who so euer be the Author as in his Replie to M. D. Harding to haue ouerthrowen not the Nicene Councell wherein this Adrians Legates bare the chiefe sway as they did also in the Councell at Frankfoorde as I haue shewed but hys owne peeuish and fantastical imagination that this Charles should at Frankford disalow the said Nicene Synode But I trow ye be as wery and as much ashamed ere this time of this counterfeit Charles booke wherein by the foolish and fond handling of the iconomache the cause of the Catholike Church is cōfirmed as your fellowes wil be shortly of this your boke that I doubt not to all that be not sinistrallie affectioned shal serue rather for the confirmation then abrogation of the Popes Primacie And because as I say I suppose ye wil your selues shortly disclaime this peuish booke I wil send you to Carolus him selfe in his Ecclesiastical decrees collected by Abbat Ansegisus whome ye authorise in the nexte leafe Where ye shall fynde this playne decree Neque praesul summus a quoquam iudicabitur No man shall iudge the pope whiche was also decreed in the tyme of the great Cōstantyne and pope Syluester yea before that tyme the lyke was sayd in a councel of Marcelline pope and Martyre as I haue otherwhere shewed Nowe then thowghe there was no cause whie Charles shoulde be greaued with this that the whole Clergie and people wel lyked and for the which there wer old aunciēt presidents yet to goe forth and to smothe this tale withal and to shewe why Charles should quietlie beare this grief which was sone born being none at al he addeth an other lie whereof we haue alredie somwhat spoken And that is because the Pope promised him longe before to make him Emperour Yea good M. Horn sone sayd of yowe but not so sone proued For neither your authour Platina sayth so nor any other that I haue hitherto read Phy on your wretched dealīg ād wretched cause that ye maintayne that cā not be vpholdē but with the defacing ād dishonorīg not only of the clergie but of this worthy ād as your self cal him this Noble Prīce Charles withal I would fayne procede to the next matter but that your other vntruthes must or I go be also discouered as that yow say without any prouf yea against good prouf to be layd to the cōtrary that this pope Leo for his streight dealings was hateful to the Romās which your authors Sabellicus and Platina say not but the quite contrary For Platina among his other manifold and notable vertues telleth that he was a man of myld nature so that he loued all men hated no man slowe to wrathe ready to take mercie and pitie of other And Sabellicus of this very matter sayeth thus Coniuratorum odium in Pontificem inde ortum ferunt quòd illi liberius viuere assueti ferre nequiuissent grauem Pontificis Censuram It is saied the hatred of such as cōspired against him spronge hereof that they accustomed to liue more licentiously coulde not abyde the Graue Rebukes and Censures of the pope Nowe further M. Horne being not able to denie but that aswell Carolus as all other gaue ouer for any iudgmēt they wold or could geue agaīst Leo he falleth to quarellīg with Leo for that for the which he owght to haue cōmēded him The matter standing thus and no mā stepping forth lawfully to proue any thing agaīst Leo this good man thowghe no man did or coulde force him to yt yet knowing his owne innocency toke an open othe vppon the holy ghospel that he was gyltlesse from suche matters as were obiected against him And here M. Horne beinge pleasantly disposed sayeth as owte of Platina Leo did earnestlye desire that kynde of iudgmente and addeth by his owne lying liberalyte that Platina mente that Leo was desirouse to geue sentence in his owne cause Wheras Platina meante that Leo was desirouse vppon the assured truste of his owne integritye that the matter might haue bene iudged and so worthie of commendation that he woulde submitte his cause to iudgemente where he neaded not as Symachus and Sixtus did before And so are Platina his wordes qui id iudicium maximè expetebat to be vnderstanded And perchaunce in some copies id is not sene Nauclerus which seameth here as in many other places to followe Platina and to reherse his wordes and whom M. Horne doth here also alleage saith qui iudicium maximè expetebat Whiche did moste ernestly desire to be iudged Whiche iudgement not proceedynge he did as muche as laye in him that is to purge him selfe by his othe Nowe where Sabellicus speaketh of this purgation in the commendation of Leo saying that a mans owne reporte much auayleth made in dewe ceason M. Horn addeth this his pretie glose for wante of good neyghbours Yet I pray yowe good M. Horne take not the matter so greuously against Pope Leo But remember that Leo being pope did more then a protestant Prelate whom ye knowe ful wel of late did being perchaunce more then a suspition that a wrong cocke had troden Cockerelles hen And yet the sayd prelat was not put to his purgation and much lesse him selfe offred to sweare for his owne honesty I medle not with the iustifying of the matter one way or other Some men say that strypes may cause yong striplinges to saye Tonge thoue lyest but not truelie to the eye Eie thowe lyest whiche can not lie in that whiche is hys obiecte But let this goe I saye yt for none other cause but onely that ye haue not M. Horne so greate cause to take the matter so hotte against Leo. And now to make vp this matter gentle reader of Leo this Leo also sendeth Saint Peters keyes yea
vsque processum est vt Imperator nullum Rom. Ecclesiae legatum c. And now the matter broke out so farre that the Emperour cōmaunded that no Legate and so forth as in Maister Hornes Allegation You see nowe good Readers it was no horrible vices of the Romissh Church as this horrible lying spirit of M. Horn prateth but a priuate quarrell betwene this Emperoure and that Pope that occasioned the Emperour to forbidde appellations to Rome c. You see howe this Cacus hathe drawen Nauclerus his woordes by the tayle into the lurkinge denne of his lying Conclusion And that their fellowes nowe drawing nere to the others companie the former ioyned with the later haue euidentlye betrayed the notable thefte of this lying and theeuinge Cacus But Maister Horne supposing the Emperour vpon such respecte had so done tell vs is the doings of this one Emperour so preiudiciall to our cause and so authorised aboue al exception or plea that because he did so we must straightwaies cōfesse he did wel and laufully Me thinke it were reason ye should proue this withal Wel let this goe we wil not charge you at this time so straightly Yet this questiō I must nedes aske you Whether this was so done because he thought the Pope or See of Rome had no authoritie or for some priuate grudge and quarell not against the See and Pope but against this Pope Yf ye will saye as ye must nedes saye this quarrel was but a priuate and a personall quarrell then is the ordinarie authoritie as yet nothing acrased hereby but your Argumente is then muche acrased Yf ye will say he denied as ye now doe all maner of authoritie of the See of Rome then must I aunswere you It is not so For he was crowned of this Pope called Adrianus Quartus an Englishe man and submitted him selfe after to Alexander the thirde as we shall anon see And further I must answere you that you are the verye Cacus we spake of and that these stolē allegations from Nauclerus do bellow wanting their companie and doe discrie all your theeuish conueyaunce as we haue before declared Now next hath M. Horne found a Rouland for an Oliuer a dissension betwixt Roulande and Octauian for the Papacie For the appeasing wherof this Frederike called a Councell and at length the matter being heard confirmed Octauian who was called Victor the .3 as the other was called Alexander the .3 which name ministreth matter of mery pastime to M. Horne to solace him selfe withal as though Alexander named him self so for that he purposed belike to make a cōquest of the mater And here is dasshed in the margēt to set forth ād beutify his narratiō withal first Vrspergensis then Nauclerus then Sabellicus then Platina then Nauclerus againe then beside Radeuicus Frisingensis in his next Platina and then Vrspergensis againe As though he tooke distinct and seuerall matter from eche one Whereas in a manner al they runne one way and wherof I am most assured al against M. Hornes owne Primacie part of their testimonies being cut of from eche of them and so caried craftely by M. Horn into his Cacus caue bewraieth al M. Horns theft Wil ye proue the like regiment M. Horne by Frederike his doings that ye now maintaine Goe to then and see ye proue it vs substantiallye He refused ye say Pope Rouland yet he receiued Pope Octauian and confirmed him too as ye say yea and ledde him about the Citie of Pauia sitting vppon a white Horse and then adored him too as I with Platina and Nauclerus saye or as Vspurgensis saieth fell flatte before his feete to receiue pardon and to become his obediensarie Al which ye saye not and therefore I heare Hercules stolen oxen bellowe out of Cacus denne Why Maister Horne can your eares paciently abide al this And is your Octauian for all this as ye write a mā in all pointes honest and relligious Some thing I perceiue there was that he is made a Saint after his death and that as it is said there were many miracles done at his Tombe in Luca where he was buried before the Image of Nicodemus Can your stomake disgest all this Maister Horn And can you suffer your Supreme head like a slaue to kisse the Popes feete and to become the Maister of his Horse Can ye suffer Miracles at the Popes tombe and yet notwithstanding shall he be a man in all points honest and religiouse How chance we haue not at the least for your cōfort one pretie nip ād to tel vs that he called hī self Victor for that he entēded to be a victorious Cōquerer as he was in deede vppon your Supreame head the Emperour Frederike Surely I maruaile why ye shoulde so fauourably encline to this false Antipope rather then to the true Pope in dede which was Rouland who as Platina writeth was elected of 22. Cardinals and your Octauian but of .3 onlye And therfore was he and Frederik that mainteined hī and not Rouland the occasion of the horrible schisme ye speak of And this Rouland was euer ād is takē for the true Pope yea and was so taken at length by your Frederike also cōming to him to Venice and kissing his holy feete for seeing ye haue made the Popes hand holye I will be so bolde to make his feete holy too and ratifiyng and allowing him by that humilitye to be the Supreame heade of Christes Churche And so at the length for all your iesting Alexander hath made as great a conqueste vppon your false lying booke and new set vppe Primacie as euer did the great Alexander vpon King Darius But lo now ye and your companions that can beare with Victors conqueste can not beare the matter being all one the lyke in Alexander Wherin I see no reason but that perchaunce ye take Victor to be of your nighe cousinage for that he was as ye are a great schismatike And therfore thoughe Friderike did suffer at the hands yea and at the feete to of Victor as he did at Alexanders yet roreth owte your Apologie against hym that he put yll fauoredly and mōstruouslie this Emperours neck vnder his feete Whiche semeth to be but a fable of such as be parcial writers and wedded to they re affectiōs to slaunder the Pope withal as Carion and suche other are that write yt Althoughe some catholyks perchaunce reporte the same as dothe Nauclerus but with an addition vel vt Blondus scribit post quà m Pontificis pedes imperator exosculatus est ad altare maius ambo principes se amplexati exosculati sunt So that Nauclerus whiche thowghe catholyke yet muche inclinable as the Germans cōmōly are to the Emperours parte semeth rather to lyke the narration of Blondus that thēperour did no other thē the vsual honor in kyssing the Popes feet And if the tale of th'Apology were true which M. Fox doth also with a ioly gay picture set forth thowgh yt
to the Scottes theyr firste Bishop Palladius as Prosper writeth a notable Chronicler of that age Why dyd he also send into thys Ileland S. Germaine Bishoppe of Antisiodorum to bryng by the Apostolicall Authoritie the Britaynes from the heresye of the Pelagians as the sayed Prosper witnesseth Lett vs nowe come to the tyme of the Saxons conuerted by S. Augustine And then shall we fynd so manie and so full testimonies both of the popes primacie and of the princes subiection as I trowe M. Horne him selfe as impudent as he is can not nor will not denie them Which I do ouerpasse by reason they are readely to be foūd in our worthy coūtriemā S. Bede lately set forth by me in the English tongue and in the Fortresse also adioyned to the same storie I will nowe adde this only that from the time wherin Beda endeth his storie to the conquest of the foresaied William there appeareth in our domesticall stories a perpetuall and continuall practise of the saied primacie in this realme by the popes as well in those bookes as be extant in printe as in other As in Asserius Meneuens that continueth the storie from the death of Bede to the yeare of our Lorde 914. in Henricus Huntingtoniensis Gulielmus Malmesburiensis Alphredus Beuerlacensis Rogerus Houedenus Florilegiū siue Mattheus Westmonasteriensis Chronica Iohānis Londoniensis and many other yet not printed that I haue not sene and which are hard to be sene by reason of the greate spoyle of such kind of bookes of late made in the suppressing of monasteries and colleges The which suppression and it were for nothing else but for the losse of so many worthy Chroniclers can not be to much lamented the losse being incomparably greater then the losse of any princes treasure The case is nowe to be pityed for that the verie Librarie of the Vniuersitie of Oxforde hath felt the rage of this spiteful spoile not so much as one booke at this howre there remaining This is one of the worthy fruits of your new ghospel M. Horne As appereth also by the late vprores in these low Coūtries wher by the Gueses not onely the Monasteries but the Libraries also namelye of the grey friers in Antwerpe be most shamefully defaced the bookes burnt to ashes and the olde monuments destroyed The naming of Oxforde bringeth to my remembrance the noble and worthy foūder of the vniuersity there I meane Kinge Alurede In whose tyme there was at Rome a special schole or colledge for English mē priuileged ād exēpted frō al taxe ād tollages by pope Martin the .2 at the desire of this King Who sent to him for a gift a peece of the holy crosse This King beīg learned hīself loued entierly learned mē especially Ioānes Scotus that trāslated out of the Greeke tōg the works of Dionysius Areopagita whoō he vsed moste familiarly This Alurede being but yet yong was sent by the Kinge Edeluulphus his father to Rome accompanied with many noble men where pope Leo the .4 did confirme him and toke him as his sonne by adoption and did also annoynte and consecrate him King of Englande The manifolde practise of the said primacy continued from this Kings tyme euen to the tyme and in the tyme of blessed S. Edward the immediate predecessour of William sauing Harolde who reigned not one full yeare In the twenty yeare of the said King Edwarde the blessed man Wulstanus that was before a monk and prior there was consecrated bisshop of Worceter A man of suche notable vertue and such austerity of lyfe as he resembled the olde vertuouse and renowned religiouse men As one that among all other his notable qualities continued so in praying studiyng and fasting that somtymes in foure dayes and foure nights he neuer slepte and that litle reste which he toke was vpon a foorme in the Churche vsing none other bolsterre but his booke wherin he prayed or studied This man I saye was made bisshop and confirmed by the popes Legats being then in the realm before the Cōqueste Our authour doth not write this of vncertain heresay but of certain knowledge as a mā of that age and one that as it semeth had sene this blessed man ād talked with him To discourse vpon other particularities as vpon the continual appeale to Rome vpon willes charteres and such other writings sent from Rome to auoide tediousnes I doe purposely forbeare But I will nowe notifie to the good reader two thīgs only First that from the tyme of the good Kinge Offa in the yere of our Lord .760 who gaue after the example of Inas not long before him to the Pope as to the Vicare of S. Peter the Peter pence euen to the cōquest the payment of the said Peter pence hath continued and they were frō tyme to tyme leuied the Kings taking good diligent order for the sure paymente of the same Secondly that from the tyme of S. Augustine the first Archebisshop among the Saxons both he and al other Archebishops euen to the conquest receaued their palle from Rome an infallible token of their subiectiō to the Pope as Peters successour vpon whose holy tombe the palle is first layed ād after taken of and sente to the Archebisshop As these two tokens of subiection cōtinued frō tyme to time to the conqueste so they continewed also without any interruption onlesse it were verie seldome and for a litle space by reason of some priuate controuersie betwixte the Pope and the Kinge euen from thence to our freshe memorie beside many notable things otherwise in this realme since the conquest continually practised that serue for the declaration and confirmation of the said primacy Perchaunce M. Horne wil say to me Sir though I specifie nothing before the conquest to iustifie the princes supremacy yet in the margent of my booke I doe remitte the reader to a booke made in King Henry the .8 days Wherein he may see what doinges the Kings of England had in this realme before the conquest for matters Ecclesiastical A prety and a clerklie remission in dede to sende your reader for one thowsande of yeares together in the which ye shoulde haue laide out before hī your best and principal proufs to seke out a book he wotteth not where and which whē it is at lēgth foūd shal proue your matter no more substātially then ye haue done hitherto your selfe And therefore because ye worke by signes and profers only and marginal notes I wil remitte both you and my reader to a marginal note also for your and his ful aunswere Nowe then lette vs goe forwarde in Gods name and see whether Kinge William conquered bothe the lande and the Catholike faithe all at ones Lette vs consider yf this Kinge and the realme did not then acknowledge the Popes Supremacy as much and as reuerently as any Christian prince doth now liuīg I say nothing of the othe he toke the day of his coronation
promising by othe to Aldrede Archbisshop of Yorke that crouned hiÌ„ at S. Peters alter in Westminster before the clergy and the people that he would defende the holye Churches and their gouernours But tel your readers good M. Horn I beseche you why that King WilliaÌ„ contrary to the auncieÌ„t order vsed euer before and since was not crowned of Stigandus theÌ„ liuing and being Archbishop of Canterbury but of the bishop of York Yf ye can not or wil not for very shame to betraie your cause tel you reader then wil I do so much for you Forsoth the cause was that the Pope layde to his charge that he had not receiued his palle canonically The said Stigandus was deposed shortly after in a Councell holden at Winchester in the presence of .ij. Cardinals sent froÌ„ Pope Alexander the .2 and that as Fabian writeth for thre causes The first for that he had holden wroÌ„gfully the bisshoprik whyle Robert the Archbishop was liuing The second for that he had receyued the palle of Benett bishop of Rome the fifth of that name The third for that he occupied the said Palle without liceÌ„ce and leful authority of the court of Rome Your author Polychronicon writeth in the like effect Neubrigensis also newly priÌ„ted toucheth the depositioÌ„ of this StigaÌ„dus by the Popes Legat in EnglaÌ„d aÌ„d reporteth that the Popes Legat Canonically deposed him What liking haue you now M. Horne of KiÌ„g WilliaÌ„s supremacy Happy are you with your fellowes the protestaÌ„t bishops and your two Archbisshops that the said WilliaÌ„ is not now king For if he were ye se cause sufficieÌ„t why ye al shuld be depriued aswel as StigaÌ„dê° And yet ther is one other thiÌ„g worse thaÌ„ this and that is schisme and heresy Who woulde euer haue thought good reader that the Pope should euer haue found M. Horne him selfe so good a proctour for the Papacy againste him self and his fellowes For lo this brasen face which shortly for this his incredible impudency will be much more famouse then freer Bacons brasen head of the which the schollers of Oxforde were wonte to talke so much doth not blushe to tel thee good reader to his owne confusion of the Popes Legates and the Councell kepte at Winchester And al this is ye wotte wel to shewe that Kinge William was supreme head in al causes as wel temporall as spiritual Then doth he pleade on foorth full lustely for the Pope for Kinge William heareth a certayne Ecclesiasticall matter beinge in controuersie and dependinge in the Popes cowrte betwene the Archebisshop of Yorke and the Archebisshop of Caunterbury the which cause the Pope had remitted to be determined by the King and the bishops Well said M. Horne and like the Popes faithfull proctour For hereof followeth that the Pope was the supreame head and iudge of the cause And the Kinge the Popes Commissioner by whose commaundemeÌ„t the cause was sent ouer to be heard in EnglaÌ„d And yet was Hubertus the Popes Legat present at the end this notwithstaÌ„ding M. Horne would now belike make vs belieue that King William also thrusted out Abbats and supressed Monasteries when yt pleased him For he telleth vs that by the KiÌ„gs iudgement Abbat Thurstan was chaunged and his monks scattered abrode but he had forgotte to set in also that his authour and others say that it was for slaying of certayne of his monkes and wounding of certayne other The monks also had hurt many of his men And your author of the PollichronicoÌ„ telleth that these moÌ„ks were scattered abrode by the kiÌ„gs hest by diuers bisshopriks and abbays which latter words ye leue out As also you do in your Author FabiaÌ„ who saith not they were scattred about as you reporte as though they had bene scattred out of their coates as of late dayes they were but he saieth they were spred abrode into diuers houses through Englande so that they chaunged but their house not their Religion And so this was no spirituall matter that the kinge did neither gaue he herein any iudgement in any spirituall cause Nowe if all other argumentes and euidences fayled vs to shewe that kinge William toke not him self for supreame gouernour in all maner causes as you moste vntruely and fondly auouche we might well proue it againste yowe by the storie of Lanfranke whome kinge William as ye confesse made archebishop of Canterburie Though according to your olde manner ye dissemble aswell the depryuation of Stigandus in whose place the king set Lanfranke as that Lanfranke receyuid his palle from Rome and acknowledged not the kinge but the pope for supreame head of the Church Which thing doth manifestly appeare in his learned boke he wrote againste your greate graundsier Berengarius Who as ye doe nowe denied then the transubstantiation and the real presence of Christes bodie in the Sacramente and called the Churche of Rome which had condemned his heresie as ye vse to doe the Church of the malignante the councell of vanitye the see of Sathan To whome Lanfrancus answereth that there was neuer anie heretyke anie schismatyke anie false Christian that before hym had so wyckedly babled againste that see And sayth yet farder in an other place of the sayd boke Quotquot a primordio Christianae Ecclesiae Christiani nominis dignitate gloriati sunt etsi aliqui relicto veritatis tramite per deuia erroris incedere maluerunt sedem tamen sancti Petri Apostoli magnificè honorauerunt nullamque aduersus eam huiusmodi blasphemiam vel dicere vel scribere praesumpserunt Whosoeuer from the begynning of Christes Church were honored with the name of ChristeÌ„ meÌ„ though some forsaking the Truth haue gone astray yet they honoured much the See of Peter neyther presumed at any time either to speake or to write any such blasphemy He saieth also that the blessed Fathers doe vniformly affirme that maÌ„ to be an heretike that doth dissent from the RomaÌ„ and vniuersal Church in matter of faith But what nede I lay furth to thee good Reader LanfraÌ„ks learned books or to goe from the matter we haue in hand ministred to vs by M. Horne coÌ„cerning this matter sent to be determined before the King Such as haue or can get either PolychronicoÌ„ or FabiaÌ„ I would wish them to see the very place and thaÌ„ wil they meruail that M. Horne would for shame bring in this matter agaiÌ„st the Popes primacy for the confirmation wherof ye shal find in LaÌ„franks reasoning before the King for his right vpoÌ„ the church of York somthing worth the noting for the Popes primacy Beside this he writeth that Lanfrank was a man of singular vertue coÌ„stancy and grauity whose helpe and couÌ„sel for his affaires the King chiefly vsed And therfore your coÌ„clusion that ye inferre of such premisses as ye haue specified which as I haue shewed do not impugne but establish the popes primacy is a very fond folish and false coÌ„clusion It appeareth well both
if it were so that king Philip deposed a Bishop for heresie yet shuld you M. Horne of al meÌ„ take smallest reliefe therby For yf Philip your supreme head were now lyuing and you vnder his dominioÌ„ he might also depriue you and your fellowes for heresie being as I haue before shewed very PateraÌ„s And now you that make so litle of Generall couÌ„cels aÌ„d stay your self and your religioÌ„ vpoÌ„ the iudgmeÌ„ts of lay princes haue heard your coÌ„deÌ„nation not only froÌ„ the notable General CouÌ„cel at LioÌ„s but froÌ„ your new Charles the Emperour Frederike and from your faire King Phillip This this Good Reader is the very handie woorke of God that these men should be cast in their owne turne and geue sentence against them selues And as hotte as ernest and as wilie as they are in the first enterprise of their matters yet in the pursuit of their vngratious purpose to cause them to declare to all the worlde their small circumspection prouidence and lesse faith and honesty Many other things might be here brought for furder aunsweare to M. Horne as that he saieth that this King by the Councell of Aegidius the Romaine Diuine went about the reformation as M. Horne calleth it of matters Ecclesiastical and that Paulus Aemilius should be his Authour therein which is a double vntruth For neither is it true that Aegidius was any counsailer or aider to refourme the Churche or rather defourme it after the order of M. Hornes Relligion nor Aemilius saith it Againe Sabellicus is eyther twise placed in M. Hornes Margent wroÌ„g or he alleageth Sabellicus altogether wroÌ„gfully But this may goe for a small ouersight M. Horne The .132 Diuision pag. 80. b. About the time of this Councel at Vienna the famous scholman Durandus setteth forth a booke vvherin as he reckeneth vppe diuerse great enormities in Churche matters so for the reformation of them he alvvaies ioyneth the King and secular Princes and the Prelates and to this purpose citeth the fourme of the auncient Councelles and many times enueigheth against and complaineth vppon the vsurped .430 authority of the Romaine Bishop vvarning men to bevvare hovv they yeelde vnto him and prescribeth a rule for the Princes and the Prelats to refourme all these enormities not by custome vvere it neuer so auncient but by the vvord of God Stapleton Answere me M. Horne directly and precisely whether Durandus in any worke of his taketh the laye prince for the head of the Church If ye saye he doth not to what purpose doe ye alleage him Yf ye say he doth then his bokes shal sone conuince you And what boke is it I praye you that ye speake of Why do ye not name yt Whie doe you tel vs of a boke no man can tel what The boke there is intituled de modo concilij celebraÌ„di which he made at the commaundemente of the foresayde Clemente Wherein thowghe he spake many thinges for the reformation of the cowrte of Rome yet that aswell in that boke as in all his other he taketh the Pope for the supreame head of the whole Churche is so notoriouse that a man maye iudge all your care is to saye something againste the Pope without any care howe or what ye saye And that ye fare much like a madde dogge that runneth foorth and snatcheth at all that euer commeth nigh him And to geue you one place for all M. Horne that you maye no longer stagger in thys matter behold what thys famouse Scholeman as you call him Durandus saieth of the Popes primacie Illius â—raelatus Papa c. The prelate of the whole Church is called Papa that is to say the father of Fathers vniuersal because he beareth the principal rule ouer the whole Church Apostolicall because he occupieth the roome of the Prince of the Apostles chief Bishoppe because he is the Head of al Bishops c. Lo M. Horne what a ioly Authour you haue alleaged against M. FekeÌ„ham Verely such an aduersary were worth at al tymes not only the hearing but also the hyring But alas what tole is ther so weak that you poore soules in such a desperat cause will refuse to strike withal You must say somwhat It staÌ„deth vpoÌ„ your honors and wheÌ„ al is said it were for your honesties better vnsaid M. Horne The .133 Diuision pag. â—0 b. About this time also the Emperour Henry the .7 came into Italy vvith great povver to reduce the Empyre to the olde estate and glorie of the auncient Emperours in 431. this behalfe And on the day of his coronation at Rome according to the maner of other Romaine Emperours he set forth a Lawe or newe authentique of the most high Trinity and the Catholique faith Stapleton What matter is this M. Horne to enforce M. FekeÌ„ham to denie the popes primacy Wil you neuer leaue your trifling and friuolous dealing If ye wil say any thing to your purpose ye must shewe that he toke not the pope but him selfe onely and his successours for supreame heades of the Church and that in al things and causes which ye shal neuer be able to doe while ye liue neither in this nor in any other Emperour King or prince what so euer M. Horne The .134 Diuision pag 80. b. Nexte to Henry .7 vvas Levves .4 Emperour vvho had no lesse but rather greater conflictes vvith the Popes in his time .432 about the reformatioÌ„ of abuses thaÌ„ any had before hiÌ„ the Pope novv claiming for an 433 Ecclesiastical matter the confirming of the Emperour as before the Emperours vvere vvonte to confirme the Popes About vvhiche question the Emperour sent and called many learned Clerkes in .434 Diuinitie in the Ciuil and CanoÌ„ Lavve from Italy Fraunce Germany Paris and Bononia vvhich al ansvvered that the 435 Popes atteÌ„pts were erroneous and derogating from the simplicity of the Christian religion VVherevppon the Emperour vvilled them to search out the matter diligently and to dispute vppon it and to gather into bookes their mindes therein vvhich diuerse did as Marsilius Patauinus Ockam Dante 's Petrarche c. By vvhom vvhen the Emperour vnderstoode the Popes vsurpation he came to Rome called a Councell and .436 deposed the Pope and placed an other in his roome In vvhich Councel the Romaines desired to haue their olde order in the Popes election ratified by the Emperour to be renevved This Emperour called also a very great Councell at Frankeforth where besides the Spirituall and Secular princes of Germanie the King of .437 Englande and the King of Beame were present where by the greater and sounder parte the Popes aforesaid vsurpation was abolished VVhich sentence the Emperoure confirmed and published vvriting thereof that his authoritie dependeth not of the pope but of God immediatly and that it is a vaine thing that is wonte to be sayed the pope hath no superiour .438 The Actes of this .439 CouÌ„cell against the Popes processe vvere ratified by
repell all euill customes contrarie to the lawe of God and the lawe of man in their subiectes by the Councell of Diuines and other wise men Also lette them see that they pul vppe by the rootes and destroy more diligently then they haue done Magicall Artes and other superstitions condemned by the lawe of God and all errours and heresies contrarie to the Faith Item that they watche and care earnestly for the exalting of the Faith and the honour of Goddes seruice and the refourming of the Churche that they labour and trauaile diligently for the reformation of althose things which are mentioned afore or here folowing or anye other thinges profitable caet VVhen this booke vvas thus compiled it was offered vppe to the Councel saith Orthvviuus that the most Christian Emperour Sigismunde had called togeather not so much for the agreemente of the Churche as for hope of a generall reformation of their manners hoping verelye that the Prelates woulde put to their helping handes but the Romaine craft beguiling the Germaine simplicitie the new made pope featly flouted the vvell meaning Emperoure saying that he vvoulde thinke on this matter at laisure caet Thus vvas Sigismunde the Emperour misused vvhiche othervvise might seeme to haue bene borne to haue restored Christianitie to the vvorlde againe The frustrating of this refourmation vvas on the other side no lesse grieuouse vnto the Frenche Kinge that bothe before the time of the Councell and in the Councell vvhile had greatly trauailed in taking avvay the Popes exâ—ctions and other Ecclesiasticall abuses vvhervvith his Realme vvas vvonderfully oppressed as appeareth in the Oration that the Frenche Kings Embassadours made in this Councell vvritten by Nicol. de Clemangijs and set forth in Othvvynus Gratius fardell of notable things After this Councell vvas an other holden at Basil vvhither came the Princes of Spaine Fraunce Hungary and Germany vvhiche dooinges of the Princes made pope Eugenius so to feare that he .461 thought to translat the CouÌ„cel to Bononia But the Emperour and other princes and the prelates whiche vvere at Basill not onlye not obeyed him but tvvise or thrise admonished him to come thither This â—â—pe vvas in this CouÌ„cel .462 deposed in the .34 sessioÌ„ Of this CouÌ„cel the Emperour SigismoÌ„de vvas the chiefe and protector and in his absence appointed the Duke of Bauaria in his roome He caused the Bohemes to come to this Councell And whan he hearde of those matters in Religion which were generally agreed vppon he allowed them and commaunded them to be obserued The .35 Chapter Of Sigismund and Friderike the .3 Emperours Stapleton MAister Horne for goddes sake remember your self and what ye haue taken in hande to proue to M. FekenhaÌ„ that is that the Quene of EnglaÌ„de owght to be supreame head of the Churche of Englande and not the Pope RemeÌ„ber I pray you how weighty this is to M. Fekenham as for the which beside this his longe imprisonment he standeth in daunger of losse of lyfe also Goe ones rowndly to your matter and bringe him some fytte and coÌ„uenient proufe to perswade him withal Ye ruÌ„ne on a thre leaues following with the doinges of the Emperours Sigismonde Friderike and Maximilian and then at length after all your busie rufle and greate turmoyle againste the Pope ye come to kinge Henry the .8 and to our owne dayes Nowe howe litle the doinges of these Emperours proue their supreamacie in all causes ecclesiastical euerie childe may see And to beginne with Sigismond we heare of you that in the tyme of the great and mayne schisme he called a councell at Constantia where three Popes were deposed and that theÌ„ Martine the .5 was â—heâ—stâ—r by the Emperors meanes chosen We heare of a booke of reformatioÌ„ offred to themperour for the abuses of some matters ecclesiastical But in al that boke there is not one word either against the Catholike faythe or for M. Hornes heresies Onely he reherseth vp certayne abuses which he woulde haue amended And as for our matter nowe in hande he sayth expressely that the Church of Rome beareth the Principalyte or chief rule in Christes Church deriued principally from Gods ordinaunce and secondarely from the CouÌ„cels What doth this relieue you M. Horne We heare farder that themperour and other princes would not suffer the pope to traÌ„slate the Councell of Basile to an other place and finally that the pope Eugenius was deposed in the foresayd Councell at Basile But what serueth all this for your purpose Yea what shameles impudencie is this for yow thus to vaunte your selfe vppoÌ„ the doings of these two councels that coÌ„demne your great Apostle Wiccliffe for an horrible heretyke and so consequently al your Geneuical doctrine now practised in England And ye must remember that not themperour but the Councel deposed these popes that is the bishops You doe fynde theire sentence definityue in the .34 Session of the Councel of Basill by your selfe alleaged But for the senteÌ„ce definitiue of themperour for theis depositions or any matter of religion ye shall not fynd Ergo the bisshops were the heads and not themperour And so are ye nothing the nearer for the deposition of Eugenius Who yet this depositioÌ„ notwithstanding continued pope still as M. Iewell him selfe witnesseth against you M. Horne and the duke of Sauoye of whome ye make mention in your nexte argumeÌ„t elected in Eugenius his place by the sayde councell was fayne to renounce his papacy as your selfe confesse And notwithstanding so many and so great princes that ye name withstode the translation of yt yet was the councell of Basill translated to Ferraria first and theÌ„ to Florence where the greke Emperour and the Grecians were reconciled to the vnity of the Church and among other things acknowledged the Popes Primacy So that ye haue nowe lost all your goodly schismaticall argumentes that ye haue in this your book brought out of Nilus and otherwise for the Grecians rebellion against the sayd primacy But what doe you tell vs here of Theodorike Nyem and of his greate and large proufes that the reformation of the Church belonged to the Emperours In dede proue he would such a matter But as for him bothe his maner of writing is so course and his proufs so weake that you were ashamed to bring any one of theÌ„ into the face of the opeÌ„ Court And in very dede it is but a great vntruth of yours so to reporte of him Namely out of that booke and Chapter which you alleage For ther he bringeth neither good reason nor any parte of the word of God both which you auouche him to bring and that at large but only one sentence of a decree and the exaÌ„ple of king Theodorike in the matter of pope Symachus which matter as I haue before proued maketh expressely for the popes primacy Such a discrete writer you haue picked out to help forward so badde a matter But to let this maÌ„ passe I will nowe
reuocamus atque omnino respuimus This is my sonnes our IudgemeÌ„t This we beleue and professe This we now affirm in our old age aÌ„d placed in the Apostolik top If at any tyme we haue writen any thing either to you or to any other contrary to this doctrin al those things we now reuoke and vtterly repeale for erroneous and light opinioÌ„s of youthely affectioÌ„ Lo M. Horn. For your Aeneas we answere you with Pius for your younge vnkilful and lesse aduised we answere you by the old the more lerned and the better aduised for your priuat and lay maÌ„ for he had yet takeÌ„ no holy orders when he returned to the obedieÌ„ce of Pope Eugenius we answer you with the Bishop aÌ„d the chief of al Bishops You must remeÌ„bre M. Horne that alwaies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Next to Aeneas Syluiê° cometh the Cardin. de Cusa one that maketh as much for M. Horn as a rope doth for a thefe Haue you sene M. Horn that Cardinals book which you allege de CoÌ„cordia Catholica If not theÌ„ beshrew your frend that told you of hiÌ„ If yes theÌ„ tel vs I pray you how like you him aÌ„d his coÌ„clusioÌ„s in that work How like you his coÌ„clusioÌ„ in the .2 book proued by the clere practise of the ChalcedoÌ„ aÌ„d the Ephesin CouÌ„cel fideÌ„ Romanae Ecclesiae in nulla Synodo vniuersali retractari posse That the faith of the Church of Rome caÌ„ be reuoked in no vniuersal Synod or Councel generall For theÌ„ what wretches are you and how coÌ„trary to the Fathers of the first general CouÌ„cels and of the first .400 yers which haue in your pelting priuat conuocations reuoked and coÌ„deÌ„ned in so many and waighty points the faith of the Church of Rome How like you that he telleth how in the old first general CouÌ„cels not only the holy ghospels but also lignuÌ„ S. Crucis aliae reliquiae a piece of wod of the holy Crosse aÌ„d other relikes were layed forth in the midle How like you that he saith Ecclesiastici Canones noÌ„ possunt nisi per ecelesiasticaÌ„ coÌ„gregationeÌ„ quae Synodus vel coetus dicitur statui CanoÌ„s or rules touchiÌ„g Church matters caÌ„not be determined but by aÌ„ ecclesiastical asseÌ„bly which is called a Synod or coÌ„pany no doubt but of ecclesiastical persons For if this be true as Cusanê° ther by the practise aÌ„d CanoÌ„s of the Church proueth ir most true theÌ„ hath Cusanus vtterly ouerthroweÌ„ your new primacy aÌ„d in one lyne geueÌ„ you an other pawne mate to your whole boke For here lo are plainly excluded al PriÌ„ces aÌ„d other laye magistrats whatsoeuer who are pardy no ecclesiastical persons How like you that he pronouÌ„ceth assuredly and coÌ„staÌ„tly saying PapaÌ„ esse rectoreÌ„ nauiculae S. Petri vniuersalis Ecclesiae nemo etiaÌ„ dubitat That the Pope is the ruler of S. Peters ship aÌ„d of the vniuersal Church no maÌ„ verely doubteth But how say you M. Horn doubte you or doubt you not How like you again where he affirmeth aÌ„d proueth the same substaÌ„tially as wheÌ„ he saith Et veruÌ„ est c. And true it is that no iudgemeÌ„t of any Synod is auaileable wher the autority of the See Apostolik coÌ„curreth not wher be theÌ„ your LoÌ„doÌ„ conuocatioÌ„s But how proueth he this the reason he geueth Quia semper appellari potest c. Bicause it may alwaies be appeled froÌ„ the IudgmeÌ„t of that Synod to the See Apostolik So we reade saith he of the Patriarches of CoÌ„staÌ„tinople Flauianus Ignatius aÌ„d other so of Athanasius of AlexaÌ„dria and other we reade that thei appealed froÌ„ Synods of Bishops to the See Apostolik So also Chrysostome froÌ„ a Synod of the AegyptiaÌ„ bishops appealed to InnoceÌ„tiê° the Pope So Theodoretus froÌ„ the Ephesin coÌ„uenticle aÌ„d his owne Patriarche Maximê° of Antioch appealed to Pope Leo as I haue other wher agaiÌ„st M. Iewel declared How like you this doctrin of Cusanê° M. Horn As also wher he saith again expressely Fateor de coÌ„stitutionibus fideÌ„ taÌ„geÌ„tibus veruÌ„ esse quòd si Sedis Apostolicae Autoritas noÌ„ interueniat ratae noÌ„ sint imò ipsiê° PoÌ„tificis coÌ„sensus interuenire debet cuÌ„ sit princeps in episcopatu fidei I confesse it is true of Constitutions concerninge faith that yf the Authoritie of the See Apostolike doe wante they are of no valewe yea the consent of the Pope him selfe ought to concurre in such case because he beareth the chiefe rule in the bishoply charge of fayth Which last wordes Cusanus had lerned of the Emperours Valentinian and Marcian in their letters to pope Leo aboue a .xi. hundred yers past How like you now M. Horn tel me of good felowship this Cardinal of Cusa out of whom so sadly you alleage such a longe processe Howe so euer you like it it is of vs and of euery diligent Reader very well to be liked and diligeÌ„tly to be noted I meane these testimonies of Cusanus not bicause he sayeth it but bicause he proueth it so by the olde practise of the primitiue Churche But especially it is to be noted that this Cusanus writinge this booke De Concordia Catholica about the time of the Councell of Basill and writinge it expressely not for the pope but againste the pope for the Authorytie of the Councell aboue the pope and for the Authoryte of the Emperour as muche as he coulde yet by the very force of the truthe which in dede lernedly and paynefully he serched out he was constrained to say and conclude for the popes Authorytie as we haue before recited largely and amply though not in dede so fully and absolutely as bothe he and Aeneas Syluius afterwarde did by reuokinge their former errours in their riper ages For this Cusanê° wheÌ„ he wrote this was not yet Cardinall but only the deane of a Church in CoueleÌ„ce And in all his positions where he speaketh against the CommoÌ„ opinioÌ„ of lerned meÌ„ touching the popes primacie aboue the general Councel for otherwise he neuer denied it he submitteth him self to better iudgement and speaketh vnder correction Nowe to drawe nerer to your allegatioÌ„ M. Horne concerning the Emperours Authorytie in calling of Councels if you take Cusanus with his whole meaning therein you shall find small reliefe for your desperat cause If you admitte not his whole meaning nor will not tary his tale out M. Iewel wil tel you M. Horne that is no good maner And he will tell you of a lawe that sayeth It is againste reason that one man shoulde in parte allowe the will of the dead so farre forthe as it maketh for him and in parte ouerthrowe it where it semeth to make against him Lette vs then heare the whole meaninge of Cusanus concerninge the Authorytie that Emperours haue in callinge assistinge and confirming of Councelles euen in that booke where he sayeth all he can for the Emperours Verely maister Horne in all that booke he
damnationem quia primam fidem irritam fecerunt Incurring damnation because they haue broken their first promise Againe in the first yeare of our gratious Queene the Acte of Parliament for making and consecrating of Bisshoppes made the .28 of kinge Henrye was reuiued And yet the Bisshoppes were ordered not accordinge to the acte but according to an acte made in kinge Edwarde his dayes and repelled by Quene Marye and not reuiued the sayde first yeare And yf they will say that that defecte is nowe supplied let them yet remember that they are but parliament and no Churche Bisshoppes and so no Catholike Bisshoppes as being ordered in such manner and fasshion as no Catholike Church euer vsed But thys is most to be considered and to be lamented of all thinges that wheras no Acte of Parliament can geue anye sufficient warrant to discharge a man from the Catholike faythe and wheras yt was aswel in king Hēries dayes by Acte of Parliament as euer before through out all Churches of Christendome sithens we were christened taken for playne and open heresie to denie the reall presence of Christes bodye in the Sacramente of the aulter for maynteining of the which heresie there is no acte of Parliamēt God be thancked neither of king Edwardes tyme nor in the tyme of our graciouse soueraygne Ladie and Quene that nowe is yet doe these men teache and preache and by writing defend and maynteine the saied greate and abhominable heresie with many other for the which they can shewe no warrante of anye temporall or spirituall lawe that euer hath bene made in Englande All this haue I spoken to shewe it is most true that I haue saied that there will neuer be redresse of errour and heresie or any staie where men are once gone from the vnitie of the See Apostolike which is the welspring and fountaine of all vnitie in the Catholike faith And touching this question of the Supremacie that we haue in hand if we wel consider it we shall find that we doe not agree either with the other Protestantes or with our selues For in this pointe that we make the Prince the supreme head of the Churche we neither agree with Luther him selfe or his scholers which denie this primacie nor with Caluin and his scholers the Sacramentaries Caluin saieth They were blasphemers that called King Henrie head of the Church One of his scholers Iacobus Acontius in a booke dedicated to the Queenes Mai. blameth openly the ciuil magistrate that maketh him selfe the Iudge of controuersies or by the aduise of other commaundeth this doctrine to be published that to be suppressed Nowe some of Caluins scholers and our owne countriemen haue taken forth such a lesson that they haue auouched in their bookes printed and publisshed to the world that a woman can neither be head of the Church nor of any Realme at all Againe manie of the Protestants though they will not the Pope should haue the chiefe gouernement because they like not his true doctrine yet they thinke it meete and conuenient that there be some one person ecclesiasticall that maie haue this supreme gouernement for matters of the Church It is also to be considered that the wordes of the Othe nowe tendered for the mainteining of the Princes Supremacie are other then they were in King Henries or King Edwardes daies with a certaine addition of greatest importance and such as to a ciuil Prince specially to the person of a woman can in no wise be with any conuenient sense applied I meane of these wordes Supreme Gouernour aswell in all spirituall or ecclesiasticall thinges or causes as temporall Such large and ample wordes were in neither of the foresaied Kings times put into the Othe And yet had they bene more tolerable in their persons for that men be capable of spiritual gouernmēt frō the which a woman is expresly by nature and by scripture excluded then they are nowe These wordes are such I saie as can not with any colourable pretext be excused Neither is it inough to saie as the Iniunctions doe that the Quenes Maiestie entendeth not to take more vpon her then King Henrie her father or King Edward her brother did what so euer that were more or lesse but it must be also considered what she or her Successours may take vpon her or them by the largenes of these wordes for an Iniunction can not limit an Acte of Parliament and whether there be any either Scripture or other good doctrine ecclesiastical sufficient to satisfie their consciences that refuse especially this Othe Which doth not only as it did before exclude the Apostolical See and all Generall Councelles also as though not in plaine wordes yet in effect in excluding the ecclesiastical Authoritie of al foren persons and Prelates but doth further adioyne the foresaied newe addition lesse probable and lesse tolerable then was any other parte of the former Othe And therefore certaine Protestants of some name and reputation being tendred this Othe by commission haue refused it Yea and how well trow you is this supreme Gouuernement liked of those Ministers which withstand the Quenes iniunctions touching the order of semely Apparell c Thus ye perceyue that as we are gone from the constante and setled doctrine of the Church touching this primacy so we agree not no not among our selues either in other pointes or in thys very Article of the Supremacy Neither shal we euer fynd anie cause of good and sufficiente contentation or constancye in doctrine vntill we returne thither from whence we first departed that is to the See Apostolike Which of al other people our Nation hath euer most reuerenced and honoured and ought of al other most so to doe As from whence both the Britaines and Saxons receiued first the Christian faith This returne God of his mercie graunt vs when it shall be his blessed pleasure Amen In Louaine the last of September An. 1567. Thomas Stapleton ¶ An Aduertisement to the Lerned Reader TOuching certain Authors alleaged in this Reply about matters of our own Countre it is to be vnderstanded that of certayne writen Copies not yet printed which we haue vsed as of Henricus Huntingtonensis and Gulielmus Neubrigensis or Noueoburgensis or Neoburgensis many thinges are in the said Copies which seme not to be writen of thē but of Some others As in the Copie of Henricus Huntingtonensis certayne thinges are founde which seme not to be writen of him but to haue bene gathered out of his workes and to haue bene writen by some other whom we coniecture to be Simeon Dunelmensis Also in the Copie of our Neubrigensis many thinges are added both at the beginning and at the ende which seme not to haue ben writen by Neubrigensis him self but by some other And that which is added at the beginning was writen as we vnderstand nowe of one Alphredus Beuerlacensis who liued vnder king Steuen The additions which do followe who wrote we yet knowe not except it were Roger Houeden This I
behoueth vs al with al our harte to pray let them be feruente in the godly zeale of religion but they may not be heads of the Churche in no case for this Supremacy doth not appertayne to them These are no Papistes I trowe Maister Horne but youre owne deare brethern of Magdeburge in their newe storie ecclesiastical by the which they would haue al the worlde directed yea in that story whereof one parcel Illiricus and his fellowes haue dedicated to the Quenes Maiesty that beare the worlde hand they are the true and zelouse schollers of Luther In case ye thinke their testimony not to haue weight enowgh then herkē to your and their Apostle Luther who writeth that it is not the office of Kings and princes to cōfirme no not the true doctrine but to be subiecte and serue the same Perhaps ye wil refuse and reiecte bothe the Magdeburgenses and Luther to as your mortal enemies yow being a sacramentarye and such as take yow and your fellowes for stark heretiks A hard and a straunge case that now Luther cā take no place amōge a nōber of the euāgelical brethern What say yow then to Andreas Modreuiu◠Surely one of the best lerned of al your sect How lyke yow then him that saieth there ought to be some one to be taken for the chiefe and Supreame head in the whole Churche in al causes ecclesiastical Wel I suppose you wil challenge him to as a Lutherane Yf it muste neades be so I trust M. Caluin your greatest Apostle shal beare some sway with yow I know ye are not ignorante that he calleth those blasphemers that did call kinge Henry the eight Supreme heade of the Churche of Englande and handleth the kinge hī selfe with such vilany and with so spitefull woords as he neuer handled the Pope more spitefully and al for this title of Supremacy which is the key of this your noble booke Can ye now blame the Catholikes M. Horne yf they deny this supremacy which the heads of your owne religion aswel Lutherans as Zwingliās doe deny and refuse O what a straunge kinde of religion is this in Englande that not onely the Catholikes but the very patriarches of the new euangelical brotherhod doe reiecte and condemne Perchaunce ye wil saye Wel for al this there is no Englishe man of this opinion Mary that were wonderfull that if as we be sequestred and as it were shut vp from other countres by the great Ocean sea that doth enuyrō vs so we should be shut vp from the doctrine as wel of the Catholiks as also the Protestants of other cōtreis and that with vs the Lutherans and Zwingliās should finde no frendes to accompany them in this as wel as in other points But contente your self M. Horne and thinke you if ye do not alredy that either your self or many other of your brethern like the quenes supremacy neuer a deale in hart what so euer ye pretēd and dissemble in words Think ye that Caluin is so slenderly frended in Englād his bookes being in such high price and estimatiō there No no it is not so to be thought The cōtrary is to wel knowē especially the thing being not only opēly preached by one of your most feruēt brethren there in England euen since the Queenes maiesties reigne but also before openly and sharply writen against by your brethren of Geneua Especially one Anthonie Gilbie Whose wordes I wil as wel for my discharge in this matter somewhat at large recite as also to shew his iudgement of the whole Religion as well vnder King Henrie as King Edward and so consequently of the said Religion vnder our gracious Quene Elizabeth nowe vsed and reuiued that all the worlde may see that to be true that I said of the Supremacie as also that the feruent brethren be not yet come to any fixe or stable Religion and that they take this to be but simple as yet ād vnperfit In the time saith he of King Henrie the eight when by Tindall Frith Bilney and other his faithfull seruauntes God called England to dresse his vineyarde many promised ful faire whome I coulde name but what fruite followed Nothing but bitter grapes yea bryers and brambles the wormewood of auarice the gall of crueltie the poyson of filthie fornication flowing from head to fote the contempt of God and open defence of the cake Idole by open proclamation to be read in the Churches in steede of Gods Scriptures Thus was there no reformation but a deformation in the time of the Tyrant and lecherouse monster The bore I graunt was busie wrooting and digging in the earth and all his pigges that followed him but they sought onely for the pleasant fruites that they winded with their long snoutes and for their owne bellies sake they wrooted vp many weeds but they turned the ground so mingling good and badde togeather sweet and sower medecine and poyson they made I saye suche confusion of Religion and Lawes that no good thing could growe but by great miracle vnder suche Gardeners And no maruaile if it be rightlye considered For this Bore raged against God against the Diuell against Christe and against Antichriste as the some that he caste out againste Luther the racing out of the name of the Pope And yet allowing his lawes and his murder of many Christian souldiars and of many Papists doe declare and euidentlie testifie vnto vs especially the burning of Barnes Ierome and Garrette their faithfull preachers of the truthe and hanging the same daye for maintenaunce of the Pope Poel Abel and Fetherstone dothe clearelie painte his beastlines that he cared for no Religion This monsterous bore for all this must needes be called the Heade of the Churche in paine of treason displacing Christe our onely head who ought alone to haue this title Wherefore in this pointe O Englande ye were no better then the Romishe Antichriste who by the same title maketh him selfe a God and sitteth in mens consciences banisheth the woorde of God as did your King Henrie whome ye so magnifie For in his beste time nothing was hearde but the Kings Booke the Kings Procedings the Kings Homilies in the Churches where Gods woorde onelie should haue ben preached So made you your King a God beleuing nothing but that he allowed I will not for shame name how he turned to his wonte I will not write your other wickednesse of those times your murders without measure adulteries and incestes of your King and his Lordes and Commones c. Loe Maister Horne howe well your Protestante fellowe of the beste race euen from Geneua lyketh this Supremacie by plaine woordes saiynge that this title whiche you so stoutlye in all this your booke auouche displaceth Christe who owghte and that onely to enioye it And whereas ye moste vntruely saye heere that we make the Pope our God in earth Maister Gilbie saieth that you make your Prince a God in attributing to her this wrong title
infidelitie Your vnskilfulnes whiche is the least matter standeth in that ye saye the King is commaunded to haue by him the booke of the Lawe Your texte saith not so Syr but Describet sibi Deuteronomium legis huius in volumine He shal write out this second Lawe in a booke As Edmund Beck a man of your secte truely hath translated Wel let the King read in Gods name not onelye that booke but all the whole Bible beside It is a worthy and a commendable study for him But let him beware that this sweete honie be not turned into poyson to him and least vnder this pleasant baite of Gods worde he be sodainly choked with the topicall and pestiferouse translation wherewith ye haue rather peruerted then translated the Bible printed at Geneua and in other places and with your false daungerouse damnable gloses where with you haue corrupted and watered the same and made it as it were of pleasante wine most sowre vineger The onely remedy and help to eschewe and auoyde this daunger is to take this booke and other holy writings faithfully translated at the priests hands as they from tyme to tyme haue receiued them and after such order as your own texte appointeth saying When he is sette vpon the seate of his kingdome he shal write him out this seconde Law in a booke taking a copy of the Priests of the Leuiticall tribe Which later woordes ye haue because they make directly against you quite leafte out And then immediatly foloweth howe he shal busely read the sayde booke and so forth If this order had of Late yeares ben kept and that Princes and other had taken the Bible as it is and euer hath ben of the priestes of the Catholike Church orderly and lawfully succeding one the other as the Leuits did reade tawght and expounded as wel in Greke and Hebrewe as in Latin these errours and heresies should neuer haue taken so deape a roote as they haue now cawght Neither is this place onely meant that the King should take the bare lettre but rather the exposition withal of the said Priests For what were the King the better or any man else for the bare lettre if he had not also as ordinary a waye for his direction in the vnderstanding as he had prouided him for to receiue a true and an incorrupted copy Where of we may see the practise in al ages in the Catholik Churche whereof this place is the very shadowe and figure For as the Protestantes them selues are forced by plaine wordes to confesse that they know not the true worde or booke of God but by the Churche which from tyme to tyme delyuered these bokes euen so by al reason and learning they should also cōfesse that the Church can no more be deceiued in deliuering the sense of the saide word then in deliuering the worde it self Which seing they will not confesse for then were we forthwith at a point and ende with al their errours and heresies they must nedes continew in the same And so while euery man in the expositiō of scriptures foloweth his own head be it neuer so worldly wise or circumspect yet his own propre and peculiar separated from the common aduise and iudgement of the whole Church errours and heresies haue and doe daylie grow and wil neuer cease more and more to encrease and multiply onlesse we take forth the lessō I haue shewed you into this huge and infinite nōber where with the world is now most miserably ouerwhelmed Whereof the best remedy were the exact obseruation of this place that ye haue so wilily and sleightly slipte ouer But most of al an other sentence in the very said chapter and euen the next to this ye alleage that the King as sone as he is chosen shal bestow his study vpon the reading of the Deuteronomy Where Moyses saieth that in doubtful causes the people shoulde haue their recourse to the said priestes and to the iudge for the tyme beinge meaning the highe prieste of whome they shoulde learne the truthe and are commaunded to doe accordinglye euen vnder payne of death Which place wel weighed and cōsidered serueth to declare that I haue said that the King and others should receiue not only the letter which as S. Paule saieth doth kil but the true and sincere meaning withal wherein standeth the life of the letter as the life of mā with in his body yea the eternal lyfe wherof by folowing lewde lying expositions of holy write we are spoiled at the priests handes All which thinges serue directly for the primacy of them and not of Princes Nowe therefore goe on M. Horne and beinge at your first encountringe ouerblowen and discomfyted euen with your owne blaste thinke well whether it is lykely that ye shall hereafter bringe againste your aduersary any thīg wherby he should as ye haue falsly slaūdered him in a maner yelde and be resolued on your syde For as for the next place it enforceth no supremacy We frely graunte you that princes may sharply punishe teachers of false and superstitiouse religion and idolatry being thereof by the Priestes instructed which is the matter of your texte But then take head to your selfe Maister Horne For I saye to you that ye and your fellowes teache false and superstitiouse religion many and detestable heresies and so withal plaine Idolatry For heresie is called a very Idol aswel by scripture as in the exposition of the holy and learned fathers And thē are ye no simple Idolatour but one that mainteyneth a nomber of heresies with no lesse offence towardes God than was the offence of the Iewes that your place speaketh of when they sette vppe afterwarde their idolls And so haue ye geuen sentence against your selfe and haue tolde the Magistrate his office Neither thinck you that ye may illude your punishment by the cowlour of the late statutes of the realme which though in manye thinges serue for your wordelye indemnitye yet that ye may kepe your Madge and bisshoprike withall and maye not be punished for the obstinate defence of suche fylthye mariage and especiallye for the denyinge of the reall presence in the blessed Sacramente of the aulter and for many other things that your sorte daily write and preach I trowe it wil be hard for you to bring forth any acte of parliamente or any other conuenient and sufficient plea. And as I graunt this authority to punishe to the ciuil prince so that this inferreth a superiority in al causes aswel ecclesiastical as temporal I flatly deny and most of al that ye haue proued your assertion that princes ought to take vpon them such pretensed regiment whereof the very place by you induced sheweth as I haue said the plain contrary Now that you bring out of Glosa ordinaria that the Prince is commaūded by his Princely authority to cause his subiects to become Israëlites it may perhaps be in some ordinary Glose of Geneua his Notes
saying that concupiscence as a sinne remayneth in vs after holy baptisme And because ye shal not say I suppresse conceile or obscure the chief and most notable persons of your auncetry how say you to the Emperours Philippicus Leo Constantinus condēned with their adherētes by the .7 general coūcel at Nice that vilayned by defacing breaking and burnīg the Images of al the holy hallowes of Christ ād Christes to To whome for your more honour and glorye I adioyne the Emperour Iulianus the Apostata Who as ye doe in your books and pulpits cried out vpon the Christiās O ye wretched men that worship the wood of the crosse setting vp the figure of it vppon your forehed and dores you therefore that are of the wiseste sorte are worthy to be hated and the residewe to be pityed that treading after your steppes come to such a kinde of Wretchednes To the Pelagians affirming that children not baptized shal be saued And yet are your maisters in this point worse then the Pelagians as wel for that some of them haue said that some Infants thowgh vnbaptized shal be damned and some other though vnbaptized shal be saued And some of them especially Caluin and other Sacramentaries say that they shal come without Baptisme to the Kingdom of heauen which the Pelagians durste not say but that they should haue the life euerlasting putting a difference but peuishly betwixte those two And if ye thinke the race of your worthye generation is not fetched highe inoughe we will mounte higher and as high as maye be euen to Simon Magus him selfe Of whome Marcion and Manicheus and after long and honorable succession your Patriarches Luter and Caluin haue learned their goodly doctrine against free will Yea to touche the verye foundatiō and wel spring of this your new gospel which altogether is grounded vpō iustificatiō without good works in that also ye drawe very nigh to the said Simon Magus I forbeare at this time to speake of the residewe of your noble progenitours hauing in other places as I noted before spoken largely of the same This shall suffice at thys present to make open to all the world that they are no petit or secrete heresies that ye and your fellowes mainteine Come foorthe once and cleare your selfe of this onelye obiection if yow can being so often pressed therewith If you maintaine olde condēned heresies what are yow lesse then heretiks your selues If yow maintaine them not or if they be not olde heresies which you maintaine clere your self if you be able I assure you M. Horn you and al your felowes wil neuer be able to auoide this one onely obiectiō And therfore you and al your fellowes must nedes remaine stark hereticks and for such to be abhorred and abādonned except you repēt of al good Christiās Now as I haue proued yow and your companions open and notable heretiks so shal I straite way purge M. Fekenham to be no Donatist or any heretik otherwise for any thing yet by you layde to his charge But now Maister Horne beware your self leaste this vniuste accusation against Maister Fekenham and the Catholikes whome ye cōpare to the Donatistes causelesse moste iustly and truely redounde vpon your and your fellowes heades Beware I say For I suppose I will laye more pregnante matter in this behalfe to your and their charge then ye haue or possible can doe to Maister Fekenham or any other Catholike whereof I dare make any indifferent Reader iudge If I should dilate and amplifie this matter at large yt would rise to a prety volume but I will purposely abridge yt and giue the Reader as it were but a taste They were al called first Donatistes but as the first fell from the Churche Catholike so fell they also afterwarde from their owne Churche and maister into an horrible diuision of the Maximianistes Circumcellions Rogatistes Circenses and others A lyuelye paterne of the sectes sprōg from your Apostle Luther as in their pedegree in the Apology of Staphylus euery man may see The Donatistes would somtyme crake and bragge of their multitude and bring it as an argument that the truth was on their side as doth your Apologie Which being restrayned by the Emperours Lawes and dayly diminishing then they cried the truthe resteth with the fewe elected and chosen parsons then cried they O lytle flocke feare not as ye did when ye were as yet but in corners rotten barnes and Luskye lanes The Donatistes when they could not iustifie their own doctrine nor disproue the Catholiks doctrine leauing the doctrine fel to rayling against the vitiouse lyfe of the Catholiks In this point who be Donatists I referre me to Luthers and Caluins books especially to M. Iewel and to your owne Apologie The Donatistes refused the open knowen Catholicke Churche and sayde the Church remayned onely in those that were of their side in certayne corners of Afrike And sing not ye the like songe preferring your Geneua and Wittenberge before the whole Catholike Church beside The Donatistes corrupted the Fathers books wonderfully and were so impudent in alleaging them that in their publike conference at Carthage they pressed much vppon Optatus wordes and layde him forth as an author making for them who yet wrote expressely against them and in all his writings condemned them Is not this I pray yow the vsuall practise of your Apostles Luther and Caluin of M. Iewel and your own to in this booke as I truste we haue and shal make it most euidēt And here let M. Dawes beare you company to in the crafty and false handling of his own deare brothers Sleydans story where he leaueth out Alexander Farnesius oration to the Emperour wherein he sheweth the Protestants dissensions The Donatists to get some credite to their doctrine pretended many false visions and miracles and they thowght that God spake to Donatus from heauen And doth not M. Foxe in his donghil of stinckinge martyrs pretely followe them therein trowe you Hathe not the lyke practise bene attempted of late in Hūgary to authorise the new ghospell by pretēding to restore lyfe to an holy brother feyning him self to be dead and by the great prouidence of God found to be dead in dede Did not your Apostle Luther boast himself of his visions and reuelations Which how coelestiall they were doth sone appere for that hī self writeth that the deuil appered vnto him in the night and disputed with him against priuate masse by whose mightye and weightye reasons Luther being ouerthrowen yelded and incontinently wrote against priuate masse as ye cal it Did not the Donatists preferre and more exsteme one national erroniouse councel in Aphrica then the great and general coūcel at Nice kepe not ye also this trade preferring your forged Conuocation libell before the Generall Councel of Trident The Donatists said that al the world was in an apostasie at the cōming of their apostle Donatus And
learned Countrie man whose Homilies were read in our Countrie in the Church Seruice aboue .800 yeares past as also in Fraunce and other where reiected are reade in M. Hornes and other his brethrens Diocesse and are with M. Horne very good stuffe as good perdie as M. Hornes owne booke and as clerkly and faithfully handeled as ye shall see plainly by the very selfe matter we haue in hande Andronicus the elder sonne to this Michaell whome M. Horne calleth ignorantly Emanuel for this Emanuel was not the sonne of this Andronicus but of CaloioaÌ„nes sonne to Andronicus the yoÌ„ger to whoÌ„ our Andronicus was graÌ„father after his fathers death suÌ„moned a couÌ„cel of the GreciaÌ„s wherin he and they annulled aÌ„d reuoked that his Father had don at the CouÌ„cel at LioÌ„s namely coÌ„cerning the proceding of the holy Ghoste And for the which Nicephorus M. Hornes Author beiÌ„g also caried away with the coÌ„mon errour as with an huge raging teÌ„pest doth so highly auaÌ„ce this Andronicus And so withal ye see vpoÌ„ how good a maÌ„ and vpoÌ„ how good a cause M. Horne buildeth his new supremacy to pluck doune the Popes old supremacy For the infringing wherof the wicked working of wretched heretiks is with him here and els where as we shal in place coÌ„uenient shew a goodlye and godlye presidente as it is also with M. Iewel for to mainteine the very same quarrel as I haue at large in my Returne against his fourth Article declared But nowe M. Horne what if these hereticall doinges do nothing relieue your cause nor necessarilye induce the chief Superiority in al causes and perchaÌ„ce in no cause Ecclesiastical coÌ„cerning the final discussing aÌ„d determination of the same Verely without any perchaÌ„ce it is most plainly and certainly true it doth not For euen in this schismatical CouÌ„cel and heretical Synagog the Bishops plaid the chief part and they gaue the final though a wrong and a wicked iudgemeÌ„t Who also shewed their superiority though vngodly vpon this mans Father in that they would not suffer him to be interred PriÌ„celike theÌ„ selues much more worthy to haue ben cast after their decease to the dogs and raueÌ„s vpoÌ„ a dirty donghil What honor haue ye gotte for al your crafty cooping or cuÌ„ning aÌ„d smoth ioyning for al your coÌ„bining aÌ„d as I may say incorporating a nuÌ„ber of Nicephorus sentences together of the whiche yet some are one some are two leaues a sunder and the first placed after the second and the second before the firste and yet not whole sentences neither but pieces and patches of sentences here and there culled oute and by you verye smoothlye ioyned in one continuall narration in such sort that a man would thinke that the whole lay orderly in Nicephorus and were not so artificially by you or your delegates patched vppe what honor haue you I say woÌ„ne by this or by the whole thing it self Litle or nothing furthering your cause aÌ„d yet otherwise plaine schismatical and heretical For the which your hansome holy dealing the author of the foresaid Homilie and you yea and M. Iewel too are worthy exceding thanks But M. Horne wil not so leese his loÌ„g allegatioÌ„ out of Nicephorus He hath placed a Note in his Margin sufficieÌ„t I trow to coÌ„clude his principall purpose And that is this The Princes Supremacy in repairing religion decayed This is in deed a ioly marginal note But where findeth M. Horn the same in his text Forsoth of this that Nicephorê° calleth th' Emperor the mighty supreme aÌ„d very holy Anchor aÌ„d stay in so horrible wauering c. Of the word Supreme ancher he coÌ„cludeth a Supremacy But ô more theÌ„ childish folly could that crafty Cooper of this allegatioÌ„ informe you no better M. Horn Was he no better sene in GraÌ„mer or in the professioÌ„ of a scholemaister then thus fowly aÌ„d fondly to misse the true interpretatioÌ„ of the latine word For what other is suprema anchora in good english theÌ„ the last ancher the last refuge the extreme holde and staye to reste vppon As suprema verba doe signifye the last woordes of a man in his last will as Summa dies the last daye Supremum indicium the last iudgemeÌ„t with a nuÌ„ber of the like phrases so Suprema Anchora is the last Anchour signifiyng the last holde and staie as in the perill of tempest the last refuge is to cast Ancher In such a sense Nicephorus called his Emperour the last the mightie and the holy Anchour or staie in so horrible wauering and errour signifiyng that now by him they were staied froÌ„ the storme of schisme as from a storm in the sea by casting the Ancher the shippe is stayed But by the Metaphore of an Anchour to conclude a Supremacie is as wise as by the Metaphore of a Cowe to coÌ„clude a sadle For as well doth a saddle fitte a Cowe as the qualitie of an Anchor resemble a Supremacie But by suche beggarly shiftes a barren cause must be vpholded First al is said by the way of Amplification to extolle the Emperour as in the same sentence he calleth him the sixth Element reaching aboue Aristotles fift body ouer the foure elemeÌ„ts with such like Then all is but a Metaphore which were it true proueth not nor concludeth but expresseth and lighteneth a truth Thirdly the Metaphore is ill translated and last of all worse applied Now whereas in the beginning of your matter the substance of your proufes hereafter standing in stories ye haue demeaned your selfe so clerkly and skilfully here the Reader may hereof haue a tast and by the way of preuention and anticipation haue also a certaine preiudicial vnderstaÌ„ding what he shal looke for at your handes in the residue Wherefore God be thanked that at the beginning hath so deciphired you whereby we may so much the more yea the bolder without any feare of all your antiquitie hereafter to be shewed cherefully procede on M. Horne The .25 Diuision pag. 18. a. These and such like Christian Emperours are not thus much commended of the Ecclesiasticall vvriters for their notable doings in the maintenaunce and furtheraunce of Religion as for doings not necessarilie appertaining to their office or calling but for that they vvere exaumples spectacles and glasses for others vvherein to beholde vvhat they are bound vnto by the vvorde of God and vvhat their subiectes may looke for at their handes as matter of charge and duety both to God and his people VVhich S. Paule doth plainly expresse vvhere he exhorteth the Christians to make earnest and continual praier for Kings and for such as are in authoritie to this ende and purpose that by their rule ministerie and seruice not only peace and tranquilitie but also godlines and religion should be .67 furthered and continued among men attributing the furtherance and continuance of religion and godlines to the Magistrates as an especial fruite and effect of their duety and seruice to God and his people Chrysostome expounding this
his own supreme Authority depose and set vp bisshops and Priests make Iniunctions of doctrine prescribe order of Gods seruice enact matters of religion approue and disproue Articles of the faith take order for administration of Sacraments commaunde or put to silence preachers determine doctrine excommunicat and absolue with such like which all are causes ecclesiastical and al apperteyning not to the inferiour ministerye which you graunt to Priestes and bisshops onely but to the supreme iurisdiction and gouernment which you doe annexe to the Prince onely This I say is the state of the Question now present For the present Question betwene you and M. Fekenham is grounded vppon the Othe comprised in the Statute which Statute emplieth and concludeth al these particulars For concealing whereof you haue M. Horne in the framing of your ground according to the Statute omitted cleane the ij clauses of the Statute folowing The one at the beginning where the Statute saith That no forayn person shall haue any maner of Authority in any spirituall cause within the Realme By which wordes is flatly excluded all the Authority of the whole body of the Catholike Church without the Realme As in a place more conuenient toward the end of the last book it shal by Gods grace be euidently proued The other clause you omitte at the ende of the said Satute which is this That all maner Superiorities that haue or maye lawfully be exercised for the visitatiō of persons Ecclesiasticall and correcting al maner of errours heresies and offences shall be for euer vnited to the Crowne of the Realme of Englande Wherein is employed that yf which God forbidde a Turke or any heretike whatsoeuer shoulde come to the Crowne of Englande by vertu of this Statute and of the Othe al maner superioritye in visiting and correcting Ecclesiastical persones in al maner matters should be vnited to him Yea and euery subiecte should sweare that in his conscience he beleueth so This kinde of regiment therefore so large and ample I am right wel assured ye haue not proued nor euer shal be able to proue in the auncient Church while ye liue When I say this kinde of regiment I walke not in confuse and general words as ye doe but I restrayne my self to the foresaid particulars now rehersed and to that platte forme that I haue already drawen to your hand and vnto the which Maister Fekenham must pray you to referre and apply your euidences Otherwise as he hath so may he or any man els the chiefe pointes of all being as yet on your side vnproued still refuse the Othe For the which doinges neither you nor any man else can iustly be greued with him As neither with vs M. Horne ought you or any mā els be greued for declaring the Truth in this point as yf we were discōtēted subiects or repyning against the obediēce we owe to our Gracious Prince and our Countre For beside that we ought absolutely more obey God then man and preferre the Truth which our Sauiour himself protested to be encouraging al the faithful to professe the Truth and geuing them to wit that in defending that they defended Christ himself before al other worldly respects whatsoeuer beside al this I say whosoeuer wil but indifferently consider the matter shal see that M. Horne himselfe in specifying here at large the Quenes Mai. gouernement by the Statute intended doth no lesse in effect abridge the same by dissembling silence then the Catholikes doe by open and plain contradiction For whereas the Statute and the Othe to the which all must swere expresseth A supreme gouernment in al thinges and causes without exception Maister Horne taking vpon him to specifie the particulars of this general decree and amplyfying that litle which he geueth to the Quenes Maiesty with copy of wordes ful statutelyke he leaueth yet out and by that leauing out taketh from the meaning of the Statute the principal cause ecclesiasticall and most necessary mete and conuenient for a Supreme Gouernour Ecclesiasticall What is that you aske Forsoth Iudgement determining and approuing of doctrine which is true and good and which is otherwise For what is more necessary in the Churche then that the Supreme gouernour thereof should haue power in al doubtes and controuersies to decide the Truthe and to make ende of questioning This in the Statute by Maister Hornes silence is not comprised And yet who doubteth that of al thinges and causes Ecclesiastical this is absolutelye the chiefest Yea and who seeth not that by the vertue of this Statute the Quenes Maiesty hath iudged determined and enacted a new Religiō contrary to the iudgement of all the Bisshops and clergy in the Conuocation represented of her highnes dominions Yea and that by vertue of the same Authority in the last paliament the booke of Articles presented and put vp there by the consent of the whole conuocation of the newe pretended clergy of the Realme and one or ij only excepted of al the pretended Bisshops also was yet reiected and not suffred to passe Agayne preachinge the woorde administration of the Sacramentes binding and loosing are they not thinges and causes mere Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall And howe then are they here by you omitted Maister Horne Or howe make you the Supreme gouernment in al causes to rest in the Quenes Maiesty yf these causes haue no place there Which is nowe better I appeale to al good consciences plainly to maintayne the Truthe then dissemblinglye to vpholde a falshood Plainly to refuse the Othe so generallye conceyued then generally to sweare to it beinge not generallye meaned But now let vs see how M. Horne wil direct his proufes to the scope appointed THE SECOND BOOKE DISPROVING THE PRETENSED PRActise of Ecclesiastical gouernement in Emperours and Princes of the first .600 yeares after Christ. M. Horne The .28 Diuision pag. 19. b. Constantinus of vvhose careful gouernmēt in Church causes I haue spoken somevvhat before tooke vpon him and did exercise the 70. supreme rule and gouernement in repressing al maner Idolatrie and false Relligion in refourming and promoting the true religion and in restreining and correcting al maner errours schismes heresies and other enormities in or about religion and vvas moued herevnto of duety euen by Gods vvorde as he him self reporteth in a vehemēt prayer that he maketh vnto God saiyng I haue takē vpō me and haue brought to passe helthful things meaning reformation of Religion being perswaded therevnto by thy word And publishing to all Churches after the Councel at Nice vvhat vvas there done he professeth that in his iudgement the chiefest end and purpose of his Imperial gouernement ought to be the preseruation of true religiō and godly quietnes in al Churches I haue iudged saith this godlye Emperoure this ought before all other thinges to be the ende or purpose wherevnto I should addresse my power and authority in gouernement that the vnitie of faith pure loue and agreemēt of religiō towardes the
For it is Athanasius M. Horne that being restored as I haue said by Constantines last wil and Testament and after againe the secoÌ„d time banished vnder the Arrian Emperour Constantius by the meanes also of those Arrian Bishops appealed to Pope Iulius as his competent and ordinarye Iudge and was by him restored to his Bishoprike together with many other Bishops of the East Paulus of Constantinople Asclepas of Gaza Marcellus of Ancyra Lucius of Adrianople with many other appealing then likewise to Pope Iulius It is Athanasius that saith When was it heard from the creation of the worlde that the iudgement of the Church shoulde take his authoritie from the Emperour And what coulde that learned Father saye more directlye againste you and your whole booke M. Horne Verely either that most learned and auncient Father whom the most famous Fathers of al Christendome haue alwaies from time to time reuerenced and honoured as a most glorious light and a singular piller of Gods Church either that moste excellent Bisshop I say in whose praise euen out of the testimonies only of the best writers a iust Treatise might be gathered did fouly erre and misse of the truth either you M. Horne and your fellowes are in a great errour and do defend an exceding absurditie damnable both to you and all that followe you forswearing your selues by booke Othe when yee swere that in conscience you beleue which you ought not ones so much as to thinke For see yet what this Notable Bisshop pronounceth against you It is Athanasius that saieth it If this be the iudgement of bishops what hath the Emperour to doe with it Els if Caesars threates conclude these matters to what purpose haue men the Names of Bisshoppes Contrary wise say you M. Horne It is a principal part of the Princes royall power to haue the supreme gouernement in al maner causes Ecclesiastical or Spiritual O Barbarous heresye from the creation of the worlde neuer heard of before O Antichristian presumption I say Antichristian presumption I lerne of that most constant bisshop Athanasius so to say For it is he that saieth these woordes What hath Constantius omitted that is not the parte of an Antichrist Or what can he when he cometh doe more Or howe shall not Antichrist at his coming finde a ready way prepared for him of this Emperour to deceiue men For nowe againe in stede of the Ecclesiastical iudgement he appointeth his palace to be the benche for Ecclesiasticall causes to be hearde at Seque earum litium summum principem et Authorem facit And he maketh himself the Supreme gouernour and chief doer of those controuersies he speaketh of ecclesiastical Now M. Horne not our Gracious Soueraigne of her owne desire taketh vppon her such gouernment but you most miserable clawebackes and wretched flatterers do force her Grace to take that Title the taking and practising whereof by the assured verdyt of this most lerned Father is a plaine Antichristian presumption For loe what he saieth yet agayne in the same page Who is it that seing the Emperour to make him selfe the Prince of bisshops in decreeing of matters and to be president ouer Eccleclesiasticall iudgements may not worthâ—ly say that this Emperour is the very abhomination of the dâ—solation which was foretolde by Daniel See and beholde M. Horn what a most horrible absurdity you labour in your booke to persuade See to what an extreme inconuenience you force mens consciences when you tendre them the Othe comprising the same and more which here Athanasius accompteth the practise of Antichrist Se last of all what traytours you are to God and your Prince which haue persuaded her most Gracious highnes to take vpon her such kinde of gouernment which is a preparation to Antichrist and resembleth the abhomination of desolation foretolde by Daniel And thus much your own Author Athanasius You see how wel he speaketh for you Now that you alleage out of Socrates that Constantin threatened Athanasius he should be brought whether he would or no it anaunceth nothing the Authority of Constantine in Ecclesiasticall matters For so much manye a Prince doth to him that lawfully called to a Councel will not come at the Churches commaundement Wherein he is rather a Ministerial then a principall doer Neither doth the place by you alleaged out of Socrates proue that Constantine examined and iudged the doings of the whole Councell but onely whether they had proceded against Athanasius of enmity or malice And as Socrates there writeth Constantin sayde the suyte of Athanasius was that in his presence he might being driuen thereto by necessyty complaine of such iniuries as he had suffred And it appereth by Theodoretus by you alleaged in the said first booke that the determination and definition of these matters rested in the Bisshops the execution in the Prince For the labour of Constantine with Athanasius then was onelye that he woulde appeare before a Synode of Bisshoppes which had accused him diuerslye before the Emperour and of those Bisshoppes be tryed Which the Emperour did as Theodoret writeth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Beleuing the accusers of Athanasius as Priestes and thinkinge their accusations to be true 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For he was vtterly ignorant of their deceytes and craftly dealinges saieth Theodoret. Thus he iudged not him selfe ouer Athanasius but only procured that to kepe peace in the Churche the bisshops might assemble together and trye their own matter among them selues M. Horne The .33 Diuision Pag. 22. a. There vvere no Churche mattiers or Ecclesiastical causes vvherein the continual practise of the Churche of Christe in this Emperours tyme yea and many hundreth yeeres after did not attribute the .80 supreme rule order and authority vnto Emperours and Kinges vpon vvhome .81 al Churche mattiers did depende as vvitnesseth Socrates vvho shevveth this reason of that he doth thoroughout his Ecclesiasticall History mention so much the Emperours Because that of the Emperors saith he after they beganne to be Christians the Churche matters doe depende yea the greatest Councels haue bene and are called together according to their appointment Eusebius commendeth the great bountifulnes of Constantine tovvardes all estates But saith he this Emperour had a singular care ouer Goddes Churche for as one appointed of God to be a common or vniuersall Bisshop he called Synodes or conuocations of Goddes ministers together into one place that thereby he might appeace the conteÌ„tious striuinges that were amonge them in sundry places He disdayned not to be present with theÌ„ in their Synodes and to sit in the middest of theÌ„ as it had been a meaner personage coÌ„mending and approuing those that bente them selues of good meaning to godly vnity and shewed him self to mislike on the other side and to set naught by such as were of contrary disposition Stapleton The general assertion that M. Horne here auoucheth that in Constantynes tyme the continuall practise of the Churche attributed
at Constantinople and to the Emperours speach the secoÌ„d time after his banishmeÌ„t Where the Emperour desirous to trie him asked Arrius if he agreed with the Nicene Councel vpon which request he offred to the Emperoure a supplication and a foorme of the Catholike confessioÌ„ pretending to sweare to that but deceauing the prince with a contrary faith in his bosome and swearing to the faith in his bosome By these means th'Emperour dimissed him And therevpoÌ„ the factioÌ„ of Eusebius weÌ„t forthwith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with their accustomed violeÌ„ce saith Theodoret to AlexaÌ„der the B. of CoÌ„stantinople and required him to receiue him into CoÌ„munion The Bishop vtterly refused to do it notwithstaÌ„ding the Courtiours request or Princes pleasure because saith AlexaÌ„der being by a whole CouÌ„cell coÌ„demned he caÌ„ not be restored The factioÌ„ of Eusebiê° thretned AlexaÌ„der that if he would not by faire meanes restore him they would force him therto by foule meanes saiyng As against your wil we haue made him come to the Emperours speach so to morow against your wil we wil make you to receiue him into your Church To this point therfore the mater was now brought that Eusebius with his faction conducted by force Arius to the Cathedrall Churche at Constantinople there by violeÌ„ce to Church him But lo as they were going with al their heretical band to the church to play this part God shewed his mighty haÌ„d euen as he did vpoÌ„ the Egyptians in the read sea specified in the old TestameÌ„t or vpon Iudas in the new For in the way Arius was driueÌ„ to seke a place to ease nature where sodainly he auoided with his excrementes his very bowels and entrails aÌ„d in that filthy place gaue ouer his foule filthy stinking soule A mete carpet for such a squier And this is loe the mother Churche whervnto Arius was restored and vnited For other restitution by the true Catholike Bishops whose office it was as ye haue heard to restore him had he none And nowe with this miserable and wretched ende of this Archeheretike Arius wil I also end the doiÌ„gs of CoÌ„stantine the great wherin I haue so farre forth proceeded as M. Horne hath ministred occasion As for the Councel of Tyrus whereof here againe meÌ„tion is reiterated I haue spoken both in this boke aÌ„d also against M. Iewel as is before noted And now may I boldly vnfold your coÌ„clusion M. Horne where you say that the Nicen bisshops agnised this kind of regimeÌ„t in the great CoÌ„stantine â–ª and say quite coÌ„trary they agnised no suche regimeÌ„t which also I haue proued against you eueÌ„ by your own examples of CoÌ„stantine and the Nicen Fathers especially of Athanasius present at the said Councell M. Horne The .39 Diuision pag. 25. b. Constantines sonnes claimed and toke vpoÌ„ them the same authority that their Fathers had done before them and as Zozomen .101 reporteth of them did not only vpholde and mainteine the ordinaunces made by their father Constantine in Church matters but did also make nevv of their ovvne as occasion serued and the necessitie of the time required Constantinus after the death of his father restored Athanasius vvhom his father had .102 deposed to his bishoprike againe vvriting honourable and louing letters to the Churche of Alexandria for his restitution Constantius deposed Liberius the Bisshoppe of Rome for that he vvoulde not consent to the condemnation of Athanasius in vvhose place Foelix vvas chosen vvhom also the Emperour deposed for the like cause and restored again Liberius vnto his bisshoprik vvho being moued vvith th' Emperors kindnes as som vvrite or rather being ouercome vvith ambition .103 becam an Arrian This Emperour deposed diuers bisshops appointing other in their places He called a Synod at Millayn as Socrates vvitnesseth saiyng The Emperour commaunded by his Edict that there shoulde be a Synod holden at Millayn There came to this Councell aboue .300 Bishoppes out of the VVest Countries After this he minded to call a generall Councell of all the East and VVest Bysshops to one place vvhich coulde not conueniently be brought to passe by reason of the greate distaunce of the places and therefore he commaunded the Councell to be kept in tvvo places at Ariminum in Italie and at Nicomedia in Bythinia The .5 Chapter What Ecclesiasticall gouernement the Sonnes of Constantine the Great practised Stapleton YF Constantines Sonnes claimed the same authoritie that their Father had in causes Ecclesiasticall then were they no supreame Iudges no more then their Father was who was none as I haue said and shewed Yet saith M. Horne They not only mainteined their Fathers ordinaunces in Church matters but also made new of their owne But al this is but a loud and a lewd lye Which to be short shal sone appeare in the wordes of Zozomene M. Hornes Author who in the boke aÌ„d chapter quoted by M. Horne writeth thus The Princes also he meaneth Constantines Sonnes concurred to to the encrease of these things he speaketh of encreasing the Christian faith shewing their good affection to the Churches no lesse then their Father and honouring the Clergy their seruaunts and their domesticals with singular promotions and immunites Both confirming their Fathers lawes and making also of their owne against such as went about to sacrifice to worship idols or by any other meanes fell to the Grekes or Heathens superstitions Lo M. Horne heare what your Author saith As before CoÌ„stantine promulged lawes against Idolatrie and honored the Church of Christ and the ministers thereof so did his Sonnes after him As for Church matters as Constantine the Father made no lawes or decrees therto apertaining no more did his SoÌ„nes It is but your impudent vntruth Now touching the first and eldest sonne of Constantine called also Constantine we haue here of him as many lies as lines First in that M. Horne saith that his Father deposed Athanasius who was deposed by the Bishops and not by Constantine for he banished him but depose him he neither did nor could The second that this Constantine restored him to his bishoprick againe wherein he belyeth and so maketh the third lye his Author Theodoret who speaketh of none other restitution but that he released him from exile and banishmente which ye wote is no Bishoply but a Princely function and office But now we may be of good comforte For hauing boren out this brunt I trust we shal shift wel inough for all the residue For now lo we haue an Emperour that as far as I can see tooke vppon him in dede in many things M. Hornes supremacy Which may be proued by Athanasius Hosiê° Hilarius aÌ„d LeoÌ„tius Bisshops of the very same time But praise be to God that the same men al notable lightes of the Catholike Church which declared that he vsed this authority do withal declare their great misliking thereof aÌ„d make him soâ— of theÌ„ a plain foreruÌ„ner of Antichrist as I haue before declared out
The vvhiche vvas proued ouer true not onely in the elections of the Bishoppes of old Rome but also in many Bishoppes of other Cities especially of nevve Rome These diseases in the Churche ministers and the disorders thereout springyng the Emperours from time to time studied to cure and refourme vvherefore Theodosius and Valentinianus vvhen they savve the great hoouing and shoouinge at Constantinople about the election of a Bishop after the death of Sisinius some speakinge to preferre Philippus other some Proclus both being ministers of that Churche did prouide a remedy for this michiefe to vvitte they them selues .123 made a decree that none of that Church should be Bishop there but some straunger from an other Churche and so the Emperours sent to Antioche for Nestorius vvho as yet vvas thought both for his doctrine and life to be a sitte pastor for the flocke and made him Bishop of Constantinople Stapleton This man is nowe againe in hande with the Emperours ordinance concerning the election of the Bishop of Constantinople but by the way or being as he is in dede al out of his waye and matter to he towcheth what slaughter there was at Rome when Damasus was made Pope and so rūneth backe agayne out of the way and out of his matter which he might ful wel haue let alone sauing that he would shewe his great familiaritie and affinitie with Iulian the Pelagian Who for lacke of good matter to iustify his own and to infringe the Catholik doctrine fel to controlle the Catholikes for their manners and namely for this dissention at the creation of Damasus Of which cotentiō Sabellicus saith M. Horne speaketh and Volaterranus sayeth it was not without much bloudshed As though Sabellicus said not also that the matter was tried with strokes But where to finde or seke it in either of them M. Horne leaueth vs to the wide worlde But what is this M. Horne against Damasus Primacie who was also a true and a good godly learned Bishop whom S. Hierome for all this contention recognised as head of the Churche and as greate a Clerke as he was yet being in doubte by reason of diuerse sectes about Antiochia in Syria with what persons to communicate moste humbly requireth of him to knowe with whom he should communicate and with whom he should not communicate What is then your argumēt M. Horne Is it this Damasus entred into the See of Rome by force and bloudshed Ergo the Emperour at that time was Supreme gouernour in all causes Ecclesiasticall Verely either this is your argumēt or els you make here none at al but only tel forth a story to no purpose except it be to deface the holy Apostolik See of Rome which in dede serueth euer your purpose both in bookes and in pulpitts What so euer it be you haue in hand beside the Pope may not be forgotten Now that you tel vs of a decree made by th' Emperours Theodosius and Valentinianus that none of the Churche of Constantinople should be Bysshop there but some straunger frō an other Churche you tell vs a mere vntruth Your alleaged Authors Socrates and Liberatus speake no one woorde of any such Decree The words of Liberatus who translated in maner the wordes of Socrates are these Sisinius being departed it semed good to the Emperours to appoint none of the Church of Constantinople to be bisshop there but to send for som straunger from Antioch in Syria from whence they had a little before Iohn Chrysostome and to make him Bisshop And this worde for worde hath also Socrates but he addeth more 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Because of the vaine triflers and busy heades that were of that Churche Of any Decree that the Emperor should make none of them both doe mention But at that time only the case then in Constantinople so standing and their luck before being so good in Iohn Chrysostom who from a stranger became their bishop it pleased the Emperours so to doe And al this they did by way of prouision for the Church quiet not by waye of absolute authority or any forceable Decree as M. Horn fableth and ouer reacheth his Authors M. Horne The .44 Diuision pag. 28. b. As Constantinus and Theodosius the elder euen so Theodosius the seconde a very .124 godly Emperour hauing and practising the .125 supreme gouernment in Ecclesiasticall causes seeinge the horrible Heresies spronge vp and deuidinge the Church but specially by Nestorius did 126 by his authoritie cal the thirde general councel at Ephesus named the first Ephesine councel geuinge streight .127 commaundement to al Bishops vvheresoeuer that they shoulde not faile to appeare at the time appointed and further vsed the same povver and authoritie in the ordering and gouerninge thereof by his .128 Lieutenaūt Ioannes Comes Sacrensis that other Godly Emperours had beene accustomed to vse before him ▪ accordinge to the cōtinual practise of the Churche as it is plainely set foorth in the booke of general Councelles In this councel there happened so greuous contention betvvixt Cyrillus Bishop of Alexandria and Iohn Bishop of Antioche both beyng othervvise godly and learned mē that the councel vvas diuided thereby into tvvo partes the occasion of this Schisme vvas partely that Cyrillus and certaine other vvith him had proceeded to the cōdemnation of Nestorius before that Ioānes vvith his cōpany could com ād partly for that Ioānes of Antioch suspected Cyrillus of certain Heresies misdeeming that Ciril had made the more haste to confirme them before his comminge He therefore vvith his associates complaineth and laieth to Cyrilles chardge that he did not tary according to the commaundement of the Emperour for the comming of the Bisshops of other Prouinces vvhich vvere called thither frō all partes by the cōmaundement of the Emperour That vvhan the noble Earle Candidianus commaunded him by vvriting and vvithout vvriting that he should presume no suche matter but that he and those that vvere vvith him should abide the comming of the other Bishops neuer thelesse he proceeded that he and his company vvere the authours of dissension and discord in the Church ▪ and that they had geuē the occasion that the rules of the Fathers and the decrees of the Emperours vvere broken ▪ and trodē vnder foote vvherefore they iudge Cyrill of Alexādria vvith Memnō bisshop of Ephesus to be deposed frō their bisshopriks and Ecclesiastical ministery and the other their associates to be excōmunicate The vvhich their doinges they signifie to the Emperour Theodosius by their Synodical letters to vnderstande his pleasure in .129 allovving or disallovvyng of their Synodicall actes After this came the bishop of Romes legates before vvhome in the coūcel Cyrillus and Memnō offered vp their libelles deposing a contestation againste Iohn and his party to haue them cited and render the cause of their deposition The bisshoppe of Romes legates vvith the consent of the councell on that parte sendeth for Ioannes and his parties
lawful to do Here shal ye find and heare Rome called the Head of all Churches Here shal ye find that Pope Leo gaue coÌ„maundement to his Legates that they shuld not suffer Dioscorê° to sit among th' other Bishops but to stand as a person accused and defendant and so the Legates tolde the Senatours and that in case they wold suffer the mater to go other wise that they should be excoÌ„municated and thervpon he was coÌ„maunded to sit in the middle a part from the rest Here shall ye finde that the learned Bishop of Cyrus Theodoretus deposed by Dioscorus and Maximus his own Patriarche was receiued and placed among the bishops because Leo had restored him Here shal ye find that nor laie men nor Priests haue voice in the Councel but Bishops only Here it appeareth why the Ciuil Magistrate is present in the Councell not to geaue sentence or to beare the greatest sway there in matters Ecclesiastical as M. Horne imagineth but as it appeareth by Theodosius the Emperours coÌ„mission geuen to the Earle Elpidius to see there be no tumulte and in case he see any troblesome or tumultuous person to the hurt and hinderance of the Catholik faith to imprison him and to certifie th'Emperour of him to see the maters procede orderly to be present at the iudgemeÌ„t geuing and to procure that the Councell spedily and circumspectly proue their matters In this SessioÌ„ ye shall find that not only Flauianus that godly Bishop and Patriarche of Constantinople wrongfully deposed by Dioscorê° appealed to Rome but that Eutyches also that Archeheretique iustlye condemned by Flauianus for his reliefe pretended an appellation made to Leo by him selfe In the second Session Leo his Epistle was read the Councell crieth out Petrus per Leonem loquutus est Peter hath spoken out of Leos mouthe But of all the thirde Session is so freighted with ample and plaine testimonies for the Ecclesiastical Primacy that I must rather seke to restrain and moderat them then to amplifie or enlarge them In this thirde Session Pope Leo is called the vniuersall Archebishop the vniuersall Patriarche the Bisshopee of the vniuersall Churche the Pope of the vniuersal Church the Catholike or vniuersal Pope And now must M. Iewel if he be a true man of his worde yelde and subscribe being answered euen by the verye precise woordes and termes of his owne thoughe peuishlye and folishly proposed question In this sessioÌ„ the Popes Legates pronouÌ„ce sentence against Dioscorus the Patriarche of Alexandria and doe by the Authority of Leo and S. Peter who is called there the Rocke and the top clyffe of the Catholike Churche depryue him of all priestlye ministery and bisshoply dignity for that he communicated with Eutyches being by a Councel condemned for that he presumed to excommunicate Pope Leo and being thrise perâ—mptorely summoned to the Councell woulde not come And how are ye now M. Horne and your felowes to be countted Bisshoppes that refuse the authoritye of the generall Councel of Trente and durst no more shewe your face there then durste Dioscorus at Chalcedo And can no better defende the deposition of the Catholik Bisshops in Englande then could Dioscorus the deposition of Flauianus at Ephesus And to say the truth ye can much lesse defende your self And where is nowe your acte of parliament that annichilatteh and maketh voyde al Ecclesiastical Authority sauing of such persons as are inhabitants within the realme Dioscorus was a foole that could finde no such defence for him selfe or else he neded not to haue passed a button for the Councel of Chalcedo Vnlesse happely we think we haue a special priuilege and as we be enuironed and as it were walled vp froÌ„ the world by the great OceaÌ„ sea as the poete writeth of vs Et penitus toto diuisos orbe BritaÌ„nos so we may take our selues to be exeÌ„pted and closed vp from the faith and religion of all Catholike people in the world But let vs goe foorth with owre matter Ye shal then find in this third session that the Popes Legate was presidente of the Councell for Leo and subscribed before all other In this session the whole CouÌ„cel calleth Leo the interpretour of S. Peters voyce to al people In this session the whole CouÌ„cel sayeth that Leo theÌ„ far of at Rome was presideÌ„t aÌ„d ruler of the CouÌ„cel as the Head is ruler of the body And that theÌ„perors were presideÌ„ts there most deceÌ„tly to adorne aÌ„d set forth the same endâ—uoring to renew the building of the Church of HierusaleÌ„ coÌ„cerning matters of faith as did Zorobabel and Iesus in the old lawe And this place only were sufficient to answere your whole booke and to shew either your ignorance or frowarde quarrelling in making such a sturre and busines for Princes authority in CouÌ„cels In this sessioÌ„ the whole synode saieth that the keping of the vineyard that is of the whole Church was committed of God to Lâ—o. In this session the whole Councel thowghe Leo his Legates were present and confirmed al thinges that there passed towching matters of faith doth yet neuerthelesse pray Leo him self also to confirme their decreâ—s And here might the Author of your Apologie Maister Horne if yt pleased him as merely haue iested and scoffed againste these .630 Fathers as he doth against the Fathers of the late CouÌ„cel at Trente for the clause salua Apostolicae sedis authoritate Here might be demaunded of these .630 Fathers what thei neaded in this case the matter being resolued vpon by the whole Councel yea by his own deputies to to sende to Rome to Pope Leo to haue their decrees yet further coÌ„firmed Here also might be demaunded of those 630. Fathers whether yt were not a mere foly to think the holy ghost posted to Rome that yf he staggered or stayed in any matter he might there take Councell of an other holy ghost better learned with such other childish or rather Iewish toyes Neither the CouÌ„cel only but Marcian alâ—o the Emperour prayed Leo to coÌ„firme that which there was concluded of the faith In this sessioÌ„ the Senators that ye would neades haue to be the cheif Iudges desire they may be taught of the fathers of this Councel such thinges as appertayne to the faith as of them that should geue a reckoninge aswel for their sowles as for their own sowles Nowe where as ye catche as yt were a certaine ankerhold of the supplication of Eusebius of Dorileum consider I beseache yow his supplication to the Councel too and weighe them bothe with the ballance of indifferente iudgemente I pray and most humbly beseche your holines holy father saith he to haue mercy on vs. And while the things passed betwixt Dioscorus and me be yt in fresh remeÌ„braunce decree you all those doings to be voyde and that those things which wrongfully passed against vs may not be preiudicial or hurtful to vs and that
articles of his faith he coÌ„cludeth vvith an earnest exhortation vnto the vnitie of faith The Emperour saith Liberatus supposing that Ioannes de Thalaida had not ment rightly of the ChalcedoÌ„ couÌ„cel but had doÌ„ al things fainedly vvrote his letters by the persvvasioÌ„ of Acatius to Pergamius Apolonius his Lieutenantes to .161 depose Iohn and enstal Peter Mogge Iohn being thus thrust out repaired to the B. of Antioche vvith vvhose letters of coÌ„mendacion he vveÌ„t to SiÌ„pliciê° bishop of Rome and desired him to vvrite in his behalfe vnto Acatiê° bishoppe of Constantinople vvho did so and vvithin a vvhile after died Stapleton The like drifte as before followeth nowe also and therfore the lesse nede of any long or exquisite answer Sauing that a few things are to be coÌ„sidered aswel for the weighing of M. Hornes reasons as for such matters as make for the popes primacye euen in those stories that M. Horne reherseth As that pope Simplicius of whome M. Horne maketh mention excommunicated Peter the Bishop of Alexandria here mentioned benig an Eutychian Again that Acatius bishop of Constantinople here also recited by M. Horne was also excoÌ„municated by pope Felix What saieth M. Horn a buttoÌ„ for your popes curse If that be a matter ecclesiastical our Emperors haue cursed aswel as your popes EueÌ„ our Emperour Zeno that we are nowe in hand withal Say you me so M. Horne Then shew me I beseche you by what authority For no man you say your selfe afterward hath authority to excoÌ„municate but only the Church and those who receiue authority therevnto by coÌ„mission from the Churche Thus you say euen in this booke Bring forth then the Emperours coÌ„mission Otherwise thinke not we will crie sanctus sanctus to all ye shal say And if you bring forth the coÌ„mission then are you vndone and al your primacy For if the Emperour hath his commission from the Church then belike the Church is aboue him Onlesse as ye haue found a newe diuinitie so ye can find a new lawe wherby he that taketh the coÌ„missioÌ„ shal be aboue him that geueth it This curse then M. Horne was no ecclesiasticall curse no more surely then if you shuld if Maistres Madge played the shrewe with you be shrewe and curse to her shrewes heart It was a zelouse detestation of heretikes as if a good catholike man should nowe say cursed be al wicked Sacramentaries And whome I pray you did he curse Any trow ye that was not accursed before No but chiefly Nestorius and Eutyches which were before by general CouÌ„cels excoÌ„municated Yet for al that we haue our margent dasshed with a fresh iolye note that the princes supremacy is in al causes I pray God send you M. Horne as much worship of yt as ye had of your other late like marginall florishe owte of the Chalcedon Councell Yet let vs see what proufes ye lay forthe Why say you Was not Zeno required to cause an vnity in the church Ye mary was he and so was Constantine and Marcian to Yea Marcian for that was called the cheif phisition to But we neade not put you any more in remembrance hereof leaste ye take to muche pryde of yt Yea but zeno sayeth that after God all people shall bowe their neckes to his power It is so in dede M. Horne But onlesse ye can proue that he saied to his spiritual power which he said not nor meante not a good argument the more pittye hath quyte broken his necke Neither yet doth Zeno speake of the neckes of any his subiectes but as yt semeth of such nations as were his enimies And assuredly such woordes al pagan Emperours vse And yet they are not I trowe therefore supreme gouernours in al causes spiritual Now yt would require some tracte of tyme fully to open either howe M. Horne hath confounded maymed and mangled his authours narration or to shewe that these things euen in the true narration of the stories that he reherseth make fully agaiÌ„st him and for the Popes primacy For this Ioannes Talaida saieth Liberatus appealed to Pope Simplicius euen as Athanasius did Simplicius writeth to Acatius who answereth that he did all this withowt the Popes coÌ„sent by the Emperours commaundement for the preseruation of the vnity in the Church To whoÌ„ Simplicius replied that he ought not to communicate with Petrus Moggus for that he agreed to the Emperours order aÌ„d proclamatioÌ„ onlesse he woulde embrace the decrees of the CouÌ„cel of Chalcedo Thus letters going to and fro Simplicius died and Felix succedeth who doth both depriue him from his bisshoprike and excommunicateth him for taking part with the said Petrus Moggus After the death of Acatius succedeth Flauianus who woulde not suffer himselfe to be enstalled without the Popes consent Within shorte tyme Euphemius was Patriarche of Constantinople who receiued synodicall letters from this Pope These and manye other thinges else might here be said euen out of the chapter vpon which Maister Horne himselfe pleadeth which we passe ouer But for the Princes Supremacy in causes Ecclesiastical what hath M. Horne in al this diuision His marginal Note lyeth in the dust What hath he beside He saith The Emperor by his Lieutenants deposed Iohn Talaida the Patriarche of Antioche But this is vntrue The Emperour in dede commaunded his Lieutenants vt pellerent eum to expulse and driue him out from his bisshoprike but to depose him that is to make him now no Bishop at all that lay not in the Emperours power He did as merely of him selfe a wise prelate said in King Edwardes dayes being then in the Tower for the Catholike faieth but take awaye the Ricke Iohn remayned bisshop stil. And that with this Iohn Talaida so it was appereth well by Liberatus your owne Author M. Horne For this Iohn Talaida saieth Liberatus appealinge from the Emperours violence to Pope Simplicius habeÌ„s episcopi dignitatem remansit Romae remayned at Rome hauing stil the dignity of a bishop who also afterwarde had the Ricke also For the Pope endewed him with the bishoprike of Nola in Campania Now as Emperours and Princes haue power though not lawful to expelle and depriue men of the Church from their temporal dignities and possessions so to depriue a man of the Church from his office of ministery to depose a bisshop or a priest froÌ„ his spiritual IurisdictioÌ„ and Authority which deposition only is a cause ecclesiastical to the Church only froÌ„ whom such Authority came it belongeth Princes depriuations are no ecclesiastical depositions Take this answere ones for al M. Horne you which vntruly reporte that Princes deposed bisshops M. Horne The .57 Diuision Pag. 35. a. This Pope Simplicius considering the great contentions that vvere accustomably about the election of Popes did prouide by decree that no Pope should hereafter be chosen vvithout the authority of the Prince vvhich decree although it be not extant yet it is manifest inough by the Epistle of Kinge Odoacer put into
ordinary and an vsual course by the Bishops first deposed But because the matter is not cleare on your side and if it were it did not greatly enforce by reason Anastasius him selfe was a wicked hereticall Emperour and so no great good deduction to be made from his doings I let it passe M. Horne The .60 Diuision pag. 35. b. About the election of Symachus Platina mentioneth vvhat great diuision and sedition arose in so muche that the parties vvere faine to agree to haue a Councell holden for the determination of the matter And there was a Councell appointed at Rauenna saith Sabellicus to the end that the controuersy might be decided according to right before the king Theodoriche before vvhome the matter vvas so discussed that at the last this Pope Symachus vvas confirmed Neuerthelesse this fyer vvas not thus so quite quenched but that foure yeares after it blased out sorer againe VVhereat the king saieth Platina beinge displeased sente Peter the Bisshoppe of Altine to Rome to enioye the See and bothe the other to be .164 deposed VVherevpon an other Synode vvas called of 120. Bisshops vvherein saith Sabellicus the Pope him selfe defended his ovvne cause so stoutlye and cunningly and confuted saith Platina al the obiections laid against him that by the verdict of them all he vvas acquited and all the fault laied to Laurence and Peter Stapleton What may be said for the doings of Princes in the election of the Clergie and how your examples agree not with our practise I haue already saied somewhat and that I say to this too But in the Diuision folowing we shall saye to this more particularlye M. Horne The .61 Diuision pag. 35. b. But to th entent it may the better appere vvhat vvas the Kings authority about these matters mark the fourth Romaine Synode holden in the time of this Symachus and about the same matter of his vvhiche although it be mangled and confusedly set forth in the Booke of Generall Councels bicause as it may seeme that they .165 vvould not haue the vvhole trueth of this dissention appaare yet vvil it shevv much that the Princes had .166 no small entermedling and authority in Synodes and Churche matters This Synode vvas summoned to be kept in Rome by the .167 commaundement of the most honorable Kinge Theodoriche He declareth that many and grieuous complaintes vvere brought vnto him againste Symachus Bisshoppe of Rome Symachus commeth into the Synode to ansvvere for him selfe geaueth thankes to the King for calling the Synode requireth that he may be restored to suche things as he had loste by the suggestion of his ennemies and to his former state and then to come to the cause and to ansvvere the accusers The more parte in the Synode thoughte this his demaunde reasonable Decernere tamen aliquid Synodus sine regia notitia non Praesumpsit Yet the Synode presumed not to decree any thing without the Kings knowledge Neyther came it to passe as they vvisshed for the King commaunded Symachus the Bisshoppe of Rome to ansvvere his aduersaries before he shoulde resume any thing And .168 so the King committed the vvhole debating and iudging of the mater to the Synode vvhich concludeth the sentence vvith these vvords Vvherfore according to the Kings will or cōmaundement who hath committed this cause to vs we refourme or restore vnto him to Symachus what right so euer he ought to haue within the Citie of Rome or without Stapleton Here hath M. Horne an other fetch to proue Princes to haue the chief interest in maters ecclesiastical as for the depositions of Bishops yea of the Pope him selfe And first he is angry that this mater in the boke of Councels is so mangled and confusedly set foorth But it is an other thorne then this that pricketh him that he will not disclose to all the worlde For to saye the truthe he seeth in his owne conscience that of all Councelles the selfe same Councell that he here alleageth dothe so set foorth the Popes Primacie that the grieuouse remembrance therof causeth him to speake he can not tel what Verelye if M. Horne had stepped foorth but one fote further and turned his eie vpon the next leafe there should he haue found a clercklie worke made by Eunodius in the defence of the Councell that he is in hand withall There should he haue founde most euident authorities for the Popes Supremacie vppon all states temporall and spirituall He should also finde the same booke to be confirmed by CC. and .xxx. Bishops assembled at Rome in a Synode Leaue of therfore M. Horne this complaint and complaine of that that grieueth you in dede and that is not of confusion but of the confession ye find there of all the Bishops concerning the Ecclesiasticall praeeminence liyng so open and thicke like a great block in your way that ye coulde not passe ouer to these your allegations that you haue here patched in but that you must needes stumble and breake your shinnes therat which grieueth you ful sore But let vs now see what good and holsome herbes ye being so cunning a gardener haue gathered out of this garden that as ye thinke lieth so vnhāsomlie and sluttishly Ye say first that this Councell was called by the cōmaundement of the right honorable King Theodoriche Make him as honorable as ye wil. But other then an Arrian shal ye not make of him Yf ye knew he was an Arrian your honour might haue bene better bestowed els where If ye knewe it not then is your reading to small I trow to furnish such a boke as this is And yet to say the truthe small reading will serue the turne too Ye say he called a Councell So he did But how did he call it Forsoth with the cōsent of the Pope Symachus though the Coūcel were called against him For when the Bisshops had tolde the King that the Pope him selfe ought to call Councels by a singular priuilege due to the See of Rome because to that See first the merite ād principality of S. Peter ād after the authority of Coūcels singulorum in Ecclesijs tradidit potestatem gaue power ouer euery thing in the Churches the Kinge made aunsweare that the Pope had declared his consente to it by his letters Yea and the Bishops not satisfied with the Kings so saiyng required a sight of the Popes letters which the King shewed vnto them out of hād The Pope also him self being present licensed the Bishops to examine his own matter And a litle after Affectu purgationis suae culmen humiliat For desire of purging himself he hūbleth his high authority or dignity Yet M. Horne addeth the Synode presumed not to decree any thing without the Kings knowledge Yf they had saied they ought not then had ye said somwhat But presume not and may not are two things farre a sonder Though yet in one sense in dede they might not nor ought not to haue proceded with
the Kings consent or without against the Pope who hath no Iudge in this world but God only Neither cā he be iudged by his inferiours And so these Bishops told the King to his face And finally the King referreth the whole mater to the Synode and plainly protesteth that it was the Coūcels part to prescribe what ought to be done in so weighty a mater As for mee saith the King I haue nothing to doe with Ecclesiasticall maters but to honour and reuerence them I cōmit to you to heare or not to heare this matter as ye shall thinke it most profitable so that the Christiās in the City of Rome might be set in peace And to this point lo is al M. Hornes supremacy driuen The Bishops proceding to sentence doe declare that Pope Symachus was not to be iudged by any man neither bound to answere his accusers but to be committed to Gods iudgemēt And the reason the Coūcel geueth That it appertaineth not to the sheep but to the pastour to foresee and prouide for the snares of the wolfe And thē follow the words that you reherse which are no iudicial sentence but only a declaration that he should be taken for the true Bishop as before But to medle with the cause and to discusse it iudicially they would not because as they said by the Canōs thei could not And therefore immediatly in the same sentence that ye haue in such hast brokē of in the midle it followeth We doe reserue the whole cause to the iudgemente of God Sette this to the former parte by you recited being a parcell of the sayed sentence as ye must needes doe and then haue ye sponne a faire threade your selfe prouing that thing whiche of all things yee and your fellowes denye That is that the Pope can be iudged of no man And so haue ye nowe made him the Supreame Heade of the whole Churche and haue geauen your selfe suche a fowle fall that all the worlde will lawghe you to scorne to see you finde faulte with this Councell as mangled and confusedlye sette foorth whiche so plainelye and pithelye confoundeth to your greate shame and confusion all that euer yee haue broughte or shall in this booke bringe againste the Popes Primacye So also it well appeareth that if there were in the worlde nothing else to be pleaded vppon but your owne Councell and sentence by you here mangled and confusedly alleged M. Fekenham might vpon very good ground refuse the othe and ye be cōpelled also if not to take the othe for the Popes Primacy being of so squemish a conscience yet not to refuse his authority by your owne Author and text so plainely auouched M. Horne The .62 Diuision pag. 36. a. As it is and shall be most manifestly proued and testified by the oecumenicall or generall Councels vvherin the order of Ecclesiasticall gouernment in Christes Church hath ben most faithfully declared and shevved from time to time as your self affirme that such like gouernment as the Quenes Maiestie doth claime and take vppon her in Ecclesiasticall causes vvas practised .169 continually by the Emperours and approued praised and highly commended by .170 thousands of the best Bisshoppes and most godly fathers that haue bene in Christes Churche from time to time euen so shall I prooue by your ovvne booke of Generall Councels .171 mangled maimed and set foorth by Papish Donatistes them selues and other such like Church vvriters that this kinde and such like gouernment as the Quenes Maiestie doth vse in Church causes vvas by continuall practise not in some one onely Church or parte of Christendome vvhereof you craue proufe as though not possible to be shevved but in the notablest Kingdomes of al Christendome as .172 Fraunce and Spaine put in vre vvherby your vvilfull and malicious ignoraunce shal be made so plain that it shal be palpable to them vvhose eyes ye haue so bleared that they cannot see the truth The .17 Chapter of Clodoueus Childebert Theodobert and Gunthranus Kings of Fraunce Stapleton MAister Horne nowe taketh his iourney from Rome and the East Churche where he hath made his abode a greate while to Fraunce and to Spaine hoping there to find out his newe founde Supreamacye Yea he saieth He hath and will proue it by thowsandes of the beste Bisshops Vndoudtedly as he hath already founde it out by the .318 Bisshops at Nice by the 200. bisshops at Ephesus and by the 630. bishops at Chalcedo who stande eche one in open fielde against him so wil he finde it in Fraūce and in Spayn also If he had said he would haue found it in the new founde landes beyonde Spayn among the infidels there that in dede had ben a mete place for his new founde Supremacy Verily in any Christened coūtre by hī yet named or to be named in this booke he neither hath nor shall find any one Coūcel or bishop Prince or Prouīce to agnise or witnesse this absolute Supremacy that M. Horn so depely dreameth of And that let the Cōference of both our labours trie M. Hornes answer and this Reply As also who hath bleared the Readers eyes M. Horne or Maister Fekenham M. Horne The 63. Diuision pag. 36. b. Clodoueus about this time the first Christian King of Fraunce baptized by Remigius and taught the Christian faith perceyuing that through the troublesome times of vvarres the Church discipline had bene neglected and much corruption crepte in doth for reformacion hereof call a nationall councel or Synode at Aurelia and commaundeth the bisshoppes to assemble there together to consult of such necessary matters as vvere fit and as he deliuered vnto them to consulte of The Bisshoppes doe according as the Kinge .173 commaundeth they assemble they commende the Kings zeale and great care for the Catholique faith and Religion they conclude according to the Kings minde and doth .174 referre their decrees to the iudgement of the King vvhome they confesse to haue .175 the superiority to be approued by his assent Clodoueus also called a Synode named Conciliū Cabiloneum and commaunded the bisshops to consider if any thing vvere amisse in the discipline of the Church and to consulte for the reformation thereof and this saith the bisshops he did of zeale to Religiō and true faith Other fovver Synodes vvere summoned aftervvarde in the same City at sondry tymes by the commaundement of the King named Childebert moued of the loue and care he had for the holy faith and furtheraunce of Christian Religion to the same effect and purpose that the first vvas sommoned for This King Childebert caused a Synode of Bishoppes to assemble at Parys and commaunded them to take order for the reformation of that Church and also to declare vvhom they thought to be a prouident Pastour to take the care ouer the Lords flock the Bisshop Saphoracus being deposed for his iust demerites Stapleton M. Horne so telleth his tale here as yf this King Clodoueus had
his doinges that M. Horne can not wel wreste them to his purpose For Iustinian saieth We following the holy fathers c. and so forth as we by many places of Iustinian haue declared before Againe speaking of things decreed in the Synod against Zoaras Your sentence saieth he being of power by yt seâ—fe our imperiall maiestye hath made yt yet muche stronger which doth expulse him out of this imperial City Lo M. Horn the decree of the Synode is stronge thoughe the Emperour neuer confirme it and where is then become your imperial primacye Nowe farder you heare to what purpose the princes assiste that is for the furtheraunce of the executioÌ„ The bishops had deposed Zoaras but they by their power coulde not thrust him out of the City and banishe him This must be don by the ciuil power and this did Iustinian and by that made the Councels lawe the stronger And so ye now heare of IustiniaÌ„ himself what is the meaning of that which you here and so often alleage that Princes streÌ„ghtheÌ„ the lawes of the Church And to shew that the Supreme gouernment which is the final Sentence and IudgemeÌ„t rested in the bisshops not in the Emperour in the first ActioÌ„ Theodorus the Emperours Officer bringeth in the playntif Bishops of Syria and saieth to the Synode Vt in his interpellantes vos ipsis finem imponatis To the entent that you considering these supplications maye make an ende of theÌ„ And in the same Action the Emperour himself againe affirmeth that As ofte as the SenteÌ„ce of the Priestes hath deposed any from their holy rowmes as vnworthy of priesthood so ofte the Empire was of the same minde and made the same order or coÌ„stitutioÌ„ with the Authority of the priestes Where you see M. Horne that the deposing of Priestes or Bishoppes proceded first from the Authority Sentence and Iudgement of the Priestes And was afterwarde putte in execution by the Imperial lawes That is to say all shortly The bishops deposed The Prince banished For by death in those dayes Princes proceded not against the clergy thoughe deposed and condemned in generall Councell I might nowe goe forwarde for any thing of weight remayning sauinge that your marginal note that the Emperour commaundeth the Pope to come to Councell stayeth me a litle as making some good apparance for you Ye say he commaunded the Pope but yf ye had proued withall that he had such authority to commaunde then would the matter ronne better on your syde or that ye could shewe that at this commaundemente he came to the Councel which ye are not able to shewe But yet am I able to shewe he came not So that this induceth rather the Popes primacy especially considering that he was at CoÌ„staÌ„tinople euen wheÌ„ the Councel was kept MarciaÌ„ also sent his letters to Pope Leo to come to Chalcedo aÌ„d yet he came not but sent his deputies thither for hiÌ„ M. Horne The .72 Diuision Pag. 41 b. The .199 Title prefixed to the first general Councel summoned by the commandement of Iustinian telleth in effect generally both the matter and also vvho had the chief authority in the ordering thereof for it is intituled The diuine ordinaunce and constitution of Iustinian the Emperor against Anthymus Seuerê° Petrus and Zoaras Mennas the vniuersal Archebisshop and Patriarche of Constantinople vvas present in this Councel vvho had adioyned vnto him placed on his right hande certain Bisshops coadiutours named and .200 appointed by the commaundement of the Emperour sent out of Italy from the sea of Rome VVhen they vvere set thus in Councel Themperour sent Theodorus one of the maisters of the Requestes or his Secretarie a vvise man vnto the Synode Bisshops Abbottes and many other of the cleargy vvith their billes of supplications vvhich they had put vp vnto themperour for redresse of certain matters Ecclesiastical Theodorus maketh relation vnto the Synode hereof deliuereth the Billes of supplication to be considered on presenteth the parties to the Synod and shevveth that this is themperours pleasure that they shoulde .201 dispatche and end these matters Paulus the Bisshoppe of Apamea in his bil of supplication offred to the most godly Emperour in the name of al his acknowledgeth him to be the highest Potentate in the worlde next vnto God who hath magnified his Empire and throweÌ„ his aduersaris vnder him because he mainteineth the only and pure faith offreth vnto God pure Leuen that is to say true doctrine as incense and burneth the chaffe meaning false religioÌ„ with vnquencheable fier And after the declaratioÌ„ of their Faith talking of the Eutychian or counterfaite catholike He desireth themperour to whom God hath reserued the ful authority to direct to cut him from the Churche and to expulse him out of his Dominions In like sort the religious men and the Monasteries of SecuÌ„da Syria doo offer vp a booke of supplication vnto the Emperour beseeching him that he vvil commaund the Archebishoppe Mennas president of the councel to receiue their booke and to .204 consider of it according to the Ecclesiastical Canons The Emperour maketh a lavv and constitution to ratifie and confirme the iudgement of the Synode against Anthymus and other heretiks vvherein also he decreeth touching many other ecclesiastical matters or causes as No man to Rebaptize to prophane the holy Communion to cal Conuenticles to dispute further in those matters concluded on to publishe or set forth the Heretical bookes to communicate with them And so knitteth vp all vvith this conclusion VVee haue decreed these thinges for the common peace of the most holye Churches these thinges haue we determined by sentence .205 Stapleton You goe on M. Horne euer like to your selfe and to your brother M. Iewel For as at the first you beginne with a great vntruthe so you procede on with a greate manye moe I meane not that ye cal the first for the fifte lette the printer beare this but for the residewe ye must take it vpon your own shulders As first wher ye speake of the title ther is no such title prefixed before the Councel there is such a sentence in dede But that it is a title prefixed before the Councel as though this ordination were made before the Councel and so should tel both the matters and who had the cheif authority in the ordering thereof this is no simple lie But euer ye shoote to farre or come to short home After those wordes by you rehersed yt followeth which you leaue out ad Petrum ArchiepiscopuÌ„ HierosolimoruÌ„ To Peter Archebishop of HierusaleÌ„ to whoÌ„ IustiniaÌ„ did send this coÌ„stitutioÌ„ not before the CouÌ„cel but the CouÌ„cel beiÌ„g ended The order of these sentences as it is declared in the acts of the CouÌ„cel was this First there was a senteÌ„ce geueÌ„ at CoÌ„stantinople against Anthymus TheÌ„ was there an other sentence geuen there against Seuerus Petrus and Zoaras TheÌ„ was the constitutioÌ„ of Iustinian whereof ye speake made and sente
Pastour sticke not to falsifie and missereporte the holy Councel seing by true dealing you caÌ„ proue nothing But it maketh perhaps for you that the Popes Legates cal the Emperour most benign Lord and affirme the Apostolike see of Rome to be subiecte to him But they do not I am assured adde in al spiritual matters And so are ye nothing the nere to your purpose and as the Popes Legats cal him Lorde so pope Agatho calleth him his sonne And that which the Legates said of the See Apostolike the same Pope Agatho in his letters saied of the City of Rome calling it seruilem Principatus sui vrbem A Cyty subiect to his gouernement And it may be well thought the Legates spake in no other sence then did their Lorde and Maister But as for such phrases S. Gregory spake as humbly and as basely to the Emperour Mauritius which Caluin also hath noted as euer any Pope before him or after him did to any whatsoeuer Emperour He called Mauritius his good Lorde and him selfe his vnworthy seruaunt But yet as I haue at large proued against M. Iewel he practised in Ecclesiastical causes an vniuersall Supremacy throughout all Christendome And nowe beside that I haue said in as much as the Popes .3 Legats two being priestes and one but a Deacon be as wel in the rehersall of the Bishops names as in the placing of the Bishops first named and do first speake in this action I thinke I may make thereof also a better collection for the Popes Primacy then you haue made against it Whereas you say the Emperour was president of the Councel I graunt you in that sense as I haue before declared and that is concerning thexternal order moderation and direction of things to be done and heard quietly and without parciality in the synode but not for any supremacy in geuing sentence against their wils as themperour him self euen now declared M. Horne The .85 Diuision Fol. 51 b. In the next session after the self same order obserued as in the first Paulus themperours Secretary began to put the Councel in remeÌ„braunce of the former daies proceding The Emperor commaundeth the Acts of the Chalcedon Councel to be brought foorth and redde At length vvhan a manifest place vvas alledged out of Leo the Pope the Emperour him self .263 disputed vvith Macarius on the vnderstanding therof The Secretary hauing offred the bookes of the fifte Councel the Emperour commaundeth the Notary to reade them The Notary began to reade and vvithin a vvhile the Popes Legats rising vp cried out this Booke of the fifte Synode is falsified and there alleaged a reason therof vvhervvith theÌ„mperor and the iudges being moued began to look more narrovvly to the book aÌ„d espying at the last that three quaternioÌ„s vvas thrust into the beginning theÌ„perour coÌ„maunded it should not be red Note here that the Popes Legats vvere but 264 the plaintify parties in this CouÌ„cel aÌ„d not the iudges therof the vvhich more plainly follovveth either parties stryuing vppon a like corrupt place The Emperour coÌ„maunded the Synod and the Iudges vvhich vvere LaymeÌ„ to peruse the Synodical boks and .265 to determine the matter vvhich they did George the Archebishop of Constantinople most humbly beseecheth the Emperour that he vvil cause the letters vvhich Agatho the Pope and his Synode sent vnto the Emperour to be redde ones againe the Emperour graunteth his request Stapleton In these two sessions ye can pyck no matter of any substance to helpe you withal no not of themperours disputation And God wotte this was but a sleight and a colde disputation to demaunde two things of Macarius and that by interrogation onely I trowe ye shal fynde but vj. or vij lynes before a better place for the popes supremacy wher yt is sayde that pope Leo his epistle was taken of the Chalcedon Councel as the foundation of the catholyke fayth being conformable to the confession of the blessed S. Peter the prince of the Apostles But you bidde vs note here that the popes legates were but the plaintife parties in this Councel and not the Iudges thereof Your reason is because they firste spake and accused the forgery committed in a copie of the fifte Councel If you had marked the practise of other CouÌ„cells before M. Horne you woulde not thoughe hyred thereto haue made this Note to your Reader For so is it in dede that the popes legates by the waie of prerogatiue in all Councells semperprius loqui confirmare soliti sunt were alwaies wont to speake first So did they in the Chalcedon Councel first speake against Dioscorus and remoued him from the benche where other bishops sate making him to sitte in the myddest where the defendantes place was And one of the popes Legates then so earnestly speakinge and requiringe to haue him remoued the Emperours deputies saied vnto him Si iudicis obtines personam non vt accusator dâ—bes prosequi If yowe beare the person of a Iudge you ought not to pleade as an Accuser In whiche wordes the Iudges did not inferre as M. Horne here doth that the Popes Legate was no Iudge bicause he accused as a party plaintife but rather bicause he was a Iudge bearinge the Popes person he wished him to forbeare accusing But the popes Legates as they were alwaies the Iudges to decree and subscribe before all other bishoppes against heresies so were they ready to accuse and betraye the Demeanours of Heretikes before all others For why As in the Chalcedon Councell it is writen Missi Apostolici semper in Synodis prius loqui confirmare soliti sunt The popes Legates were alwaies wonte to speake formest in Councels and to confirme before all others And by this the prerogatiue of the See Apostolike was expressed And as in the Chalcedon Councel the popes Legates were the first that spake againste Dioscorus and yet were also the first that gaue sentence againste him as I haue before proued so in this Councell as the popes Legates spake first against the false and forged euidences so thei were the first as we shal anon see that condemned the forgers thereof Macarius with his felowes And yet to speake properly the popes Legates neither here nor in the matter of Dioscorus were parties plaintifs For as there they onely required to haue the sentence of pope Leo executed touching Dioscorus his place in the Councell so here they only required the euidence to be tried suspecting it as forged as it was in dede founde to be And this they required not as plaintif parties but to haue executioÌ„ which execution was in the ordering of the Emperour or his deputies For looke what the chefe bishops or the whole Councel required that the Prince or his deputies the Iudges did see executed quietly and orderly Wherin coÌ„sisted their whole authoritie and trauayle as we haue before shewed out of Cusanus But to Iudge and determine belonged only to
and the extractes as wel of those bookes as of such as the Popes Legates had delyuered were brought forth to the Councel to auoyde suspicion of al sinistrous working sealed with the Iudges seales So that the fathers and the Legates gaue the iudgment as yt afterward appeareth that the bookes were corrupted The Iudges to their charge tooke that by the notarye the bookes shoulde be indifferentlye and vprightlye vewed and examined and the true testimonies to be browght to the Councell I maruayle Maister Horne that this so good an argumente escaped you in the Chalcedon Councell wherein likewise the Legates first of al beganne to speake and worke against Dioscorus and caused hym to be displaced of sytting amōg other bishops and to sytte in the middest as a defendante And yet they were hys Iudges and they onelie pronounced the finall sentāce against hym to the which the whole Councel condescended Ye are then farre wyde M. Horn frō the cause whie the Legates so intermedled The cause then was not as ye either ignorantly or maliciouslie pretende for that they were parties but for thys that the popes Legates were wont euer in councells to speake first and to cōfirme first ▪ as I haue not much before largely declared To that place for a fuller answer hereto I remitte the Reader M. Horne The .89 Diuision pag. 53. a. In the ende of the eleuenth Action The Emperour assigneth certeine of his noble counsailours to be the directours in the Synode for that he vvas to bee occupied in other vveighty affaires of the cōmō vveale Hitherto vve see hovv thēmperor in his ovvn person vvith his lay Prīces also vvas the 272 supreme gouernour vvas the President ouersear commaunder ratifier and directour of al things done in the Councell The Popes Legats and al the vvhole Councel humbly yelding al these thinges vnto him .273 alone The residue of the actes or any thing therein done vvas likevvyse his deede by his deputies although he him selfe in person vvas not present Stapleton Whye good Sir why make you such post haste What are you so sone at the ende of the .11 action Where is the beginning and the midle where is the .6 Action Where are the .8 the .9 and the .10 Action I see your hast is greate what wil you leape ouer the hedge ere ye come at it And I might be so bolde I woulde fayne demaund of you the cause of your hasty posting Perhaps there is some eye sore here or some thing that your stomake cā not beare What Greaueth yt you to heare that our Lady was pure from all maner synne Or doth yt appalle yowe to heare the patriarch of Constantinople and al the bisshops his obediēsaries with the bisshops that were vnder the patriarche of Antioche after they had heard readen the letters sent from pope Agatho and his Councel at Rome and aduisedly cōsidered them which as I haue tolde yowe were stuffed with authorities concernyng the popes primacy to yelde to the truth and after .46 yeares to forsake and abandon their greate schisme and false heresie Doth it dasel and amase yowe to heare the patriarche of Constantinople to confesse to the whole Councel that yf the name of Pope Vitalianus were receyued againe into they re dypticha which they had raced out that those which had sondred ād sequestred them selues from the Catholike Churche woulde forthwithe returne thyther againe whereunto the Emperour and all the Councell by ▪ and by agreed and therevppon the Councell made manie gratulatorie exclamations And is there anie other way to stay and redresse thys huge schisme in Englande or else where but euen to put in our Churche bokes the Popes name and to imbrace againe hys Authoritie Or doe ye take yt to the hart M. Horne to see here the pleadinge of Macarius the heretyke which is also M. Iewells and your ordinarie fasshion as pleadinge vppon the doings of heretical Bisshops and Emperours grounding hym self vpon a nomber of patriarches of Constantinople of Antioche and diuers other bisshops with they re Councells yea vpon the Emperour his father and his great graundfather teachings and proclamatiōs quite reiected and refused Or is it a corsy vnto you that the heretical writings of Macarius as sone as they beganne to be read were straight condemned of the bishops not looking for the Emperours pleasure therein though he him selfe was then present thereat Or is there yet anye other lurking sore priuily pynching your stomake Namely that ye see to your great greef that the fathers geue vs an assured marke to knowe yowe and M. Iewel by what ye are by your wretched wresting and wrething and miserable chopping and paring the auncient fathers writings wherein ye are the true schollers of these Monothelites whose practises are discried in the .6 the .8 the .9 the .10 and the .11 sessions The allegations of the Popes Legats being founde truelie faythfully and semely done I trowe it nypped yowe at the verie hearte roote when ye reade in case ye euer reade yt and haue not trusted rather other mens eies then your owne the Synode to say to that cursed and vnhappie Macarius that it was the property of an heretyke to nyppe and breake of to mangle and mayme the fathers testimonies And therevppon he being oft taken with the maner and nowe cōfessing the same was forthwith depriued and his bishoply attierment plucked from his backe And I would to God yt might please the Quenes Maiesty and her honorable coūcel to play the Supreame heads as this good Emperour Cōstantinus and his Iudges did and to make an indifferēt search and vewe whether the catholiks in their late boks or M. Iewel M. Horn ād other their fellowes play the Macariās or no and thervppō euē as M. Horn sayd thēperour Cōstantine did to geue iust iudgmēt and sentence Which is a redie and a sownde way for the quailing ād appeasing of this huge scisme And without the which books wil excessyuely growe on eche part and rather to encrease of cōtentiō thē to any ful pacificatiō And for my part the fault being fownd as I dowbte nothing yt wil be and cōfessed therevppon on theyr part with an harty renūciatiō of al schisme and heresie I would not wishe theire riches to be plucked from them but that they shuld remaine in as good worldly estate as they now are in This is al the hurt I wish thē But nowe M. Horn to returne to the matter ye see that this was but a poore iudgmēt and a poore selie supremacy that ye geue to your Emperour ād his nobles Wherin in effect whil ye would seme to aduāce and exalt thē ye make theyr office not much better thē the registers and notaries office Which office though it be honest and worshipful to perchaūce yet I dowbte whether it be honorable as not many yeares past one of your fellowes and protestāt prelats sayd to one that thowed his Register I tel thee my regesters
man woulde make or belieue anie suche fonde declarations but suche as haue lost theyr fyue wyttes And therefore I say of all your shameful lies this maye be crowned for a notoriouse a captayne and an Imperiall Lie For wil you see geÌ„tle Readers what were in dede these miraculous keyes that M. Horn hath with such a straunge Metamorphosis turned into al the preeminence dignitie and Iurisdlction that the Pope hath aboue other Church Ministers Verely not in al the xiiij bookes of Ouides Metamorphosis can there be founde a more fabulous more ridiculous or more vnsauery and vnsensible chaunge thoughe he talke there of full many as of men and wemen chaunged into birds into stones into bestes into starres and into I can not tel what then is this one most singular and rare inuented Metamorphosis of M. Hornes exacte deuise And truly M. Horn you hauing such a nuÌ„ber of good versyfiers to your neighbours in the famous and wel ordered schole of Winchester it shoulde be an eternal monument of your singular witte if you did procure this your excellent Metamorphosis to be put also in verses and to be adioyned to the other of Ouides for the rarite and singularnesse thereof Suche as I trowe all Europe yea all the wide worlde againe will not be able to shewe the like Well In the meane season that the worthy memory hereof may not vtterly be extinguished I will shortelye and rudelye shadowe it out leauing to more excellent wittes and conning workemen of which you shall not want M. Horne if you earnestlye procure them to sette it forthe in his coulours First then it is to be vnderstanded gentle Readers that bothe before the time of this Gregory .3 and in his time and after his time the toumbe chappell or monument where S. Peters body laye in Rome was called of the Romayn writers Confessio B. Petri. S. Peters Confession Witnesse hereof before the time of Gregory the .3 is the Pontificall of Damasus as Georgius Cassander hath noted out of Petrus Vrbeuetanus Thus Cassander writeth vpon the worde Confessio Frequens est haec vox in Pontificali Damasi Ante Confessionem S. Petri de qua P. Vrb. Confessio inquit Capsa vel sepulchrum vel potius corpus B. Petri conditum sub altari This worde Confessio saieth Cassander is often founde in the Pontificall of Damasus Before S. Peters Confession Whereof Petrus Vâ—beuetanus saieth By S. Peters Confession is meante tâ—e Cophyn or toumbe or rather the body of S. Peter layed vnder the Aultar This was a phrase to expresse that place where the memory of S. Peter and of his most blessed CoÌ„fessioÌ„ coÌ„fessing there Christ and dying there a glorious Martyr for Christ was by the blessed Relike of his bodye there present honoured and contynewed In the life of Gregory .3 it is writen of a Synod of .93 bishops holden in S. Peters Chappel at Rome Coram sacrosancta Confessione Sacratissimi corporis B. Petri residentibus caet The bishops sittinge before the holy Confession of the moste blessed body of S. Peter And with the like phrase it is writen of Zacharias his successour that he offred vp before the Confession of S. Peter many Iewels and much treasure Such phrases are ryfe in the 2. Tome of the Councels and in the writers of those ages This beinge firste knowen lette vs nowe consider the allegation of M. Horne He saieth Gregory .3 sent by shippe to Charles Martell the keyes of S. Peters Confession His Author is Martinus poenitentiarius one of the poenitentiaries at Rome The latin of Martinus is this Claues ex Confessione B. Petri Apostoli accipiens direxit nauali itinere Here M. Horne hath clerkly turned Claues ex Confessione B. Petri The keyes of S. Peters Confession The latin of this Englishe were Claues Confessionis not Claues ex Confessione As if I should saie Claues ex Ecclesia direxit It were not well Englished I trowe He sent the keyes of the Churche But He sent kayes from the Churche Which mighte be other keyes pardie then the Churche keyes And so is it in this place Pope Gregory the thyrd sent to Charles Martell keyes from the Confession of S. Peter But not the keyes of S. Peters confession The keyes of S. Peters Confession were Claues Regni coelorum the keyes of the kingdome of heauen whiche Christe gaue to Peter and to onely Peter And the whiche were not I trowe materiall keyes suche as might be sente awaye either by sea or by lande But keyes from S. Peters Confession were keyes from the body of S. Peter keyes which had touched that holy relike and which by that touch was made it selfe a Relike Howe proue we this you say Forsoth very plainely and euidently by a witnesse well nere a thousande yeres olde by one of the foure Doctours of the Churche by our Apostle learned S. Gregory the first Such keyes from S. Peters confession to be sent to deuoute persons for holy Relikes was in his tyme and longe before his tyme an vsuall matter S. Gregory writing to Secundinus an Anachoret as it seemeth amonge other relikes as an Image of our Sauiour of our Lady and of S. Peter and Paule and a Crosse also mentioneth also this kinde of Relike sayinge Clauim etiam pro benedictione à sanctissimo Corpore Petri Apostolorum principis c. We sende you also by this bearer a keye for a benediction from the most holye bodye of Peter the Prince of the Apostles A keye from the body was a keye that hadde touched the body or the place where the body was interred And wil M. Horne nowe say that S. Gregory sent away to this poore Anchoret his whole preeminence dignity and iurisdiction c Or because he sent also to one Theodorus a Physitian of Constantinople Clauem à sacratissimo Petri Corpore a keye from the most holy body of S. Peter thinketh M. Horne that this Physitian had All the Popes preeminence and iurisdiction geuen him Or because in like maner he sent to Theotistas and Andreas two noble men aboute the Emperour for a benediction of Saint Peter Clauem à sacratissimo eius corpore a keye from his moste holye bodye were they also promoted wyth all the Popes preeminence dignitye and Iurisdiction as you affirme Charles Martell was here of Pope Gregory .3 for hauinge suche a Relike sent him by shippe S. Gregory saied he sent those keyes for a Benediction not for a Iurisdiction He sent it to the Anchoret vt per ipsum a maligno defenderetur cuius signo munitum se crederet That by him from the deuil he might be defended by whose token or remembrance he thoughte him selfe garded He sent it to Theodorus the Phisicyan with a piece of S. Peters chayne enclosed vt quod illius collum ligauit ad martyrum vestrum ab omnibus peccatis soluat that the same which had tyed S. Peters necke to martyrdom may lose yours saieth S.
them he meaneth the high bisshops of Christ our God and Sauiour Thus agayne you see Maister Horne howe all the iudgement resteth in the bishops and howe the sentence of the See Apostolike preuayleth and howe buxomely to vse your owne worde and obediently the Emperour yeldeth thereunto not intermedling farder then to procure that all partes may be heard that tumulte may be auoided and that the Iudges for so were the bisshops called in this Actiō may quietly procede to Sētence and last of al that same Sētence may be put in executiō notwithstanding the indurat malice of obstinat heretikes In the .8 Action al the schismatical conuenticles of the Photians are condemned and the recordes thereof burned In that Action also diuers Image breakers came to the Synode and were reconciled That secte also was againe accursed In the last Action the Canons were reade at the Popes Legates commaundement to the number of .27 In the .22 Canon it is decreed that no secular Prince intermedle with the election or choyse of any Patriarche Metropolitane or Bisshop whatsoeuer which also is inserted by Gratian into the decrees Finally the Councel being ended Basilius the Emperour maketh a longe and a notable Oration to the Synod expressing the dewe zeale and dewty of an Emperour in al Synodes and Councels He auoucheth plainly that to secular and laye men Non est datum secundùm Canonem dicendi quicquam penitus de Ecclesiasticis causis opus enim hoc pontificum sacerdotum est It is not graunted by the Rule of the Churche to speake any thinge at al in Councel of Ecclesiasticall matters For this is the worke saith he of Bishops and Priestes And after commēding the bishops for their greate paynes and trauaile in that Councell he speaketh to the laye Nobylyte then present thus De vobis autem Laicis c. But as touching you that are of the lay sorte as wel you that beare offices as that be priuate men I haue no more to say vnto you but that it is not lawfull for you by any meanes to moue talke of Ecclesiasticall matters neither to resiste in any point against the integrity of the Churche or to gaynesaie the vniuersal Synode For to searche and seke out these matters it belongeth to Bisshops and Priests which beare the office of gouernours which haue the power to sanctifie to binde and to loose which haue obtayned the keyes of the Churche and of heauen It belongeth not to vs which ought to be fedde which haue nede to be sanctified to be boūde and to be loosed from bande For of whatsoeuer Religion or wisedome the laye man be yea though he be indewed with all internal vertues as longe as he is a lay man he shal not cease to be called a shepe Againe a bisshop howesoeuer vnreuerent he be and naked of all vertue as longe as he is a bishop and preacheth dewlye the woorde of Truthe he suffereth not the losse of his pastorall vocation and dignitye What then haue we to doe standinge yet in the roome of shepe The Shepheardes haue the power to discusse the subtiltye of woordes and to seke and compasse such thinges as are aboue vs. We must therefore in feare and sincere faith harken vnto them and reuerence their countenances as being the Ministres of Almightye God and bearinge his fourme and not to seke any more then that which belongeth to our degree and vocation Thus farre the Emperour Basilius in the ende and Conclusion of the eight generall Councell and much more in this sense which were here to longe to inserte I blame you not nowe Maister Horne that you so ouerhipped this whole Generall Councell and the doinges of those .ij. Popes Nicolaus and Adrian .2 You sawe perhaps or had hearde say that it made clerely against you And yet as I sayed before apparently you might haue culled out broken narrations for your purpose as well out of this Generall Councell as out of the other .7 But seing you tooke such paynes to note themperors demeanour in the former .7 I thought it a poynte of courtesye Maister Horne to requytte you againe with this one generall Councell for so manye by you alleaged to your verye small purpose as euery indifferent Reader seeth Whether this be not to our purpose I dare make your selfe Iudge And nowe I wonder what shifte you will make to auoyde the Authoritye of this generall Councell or of this Emperour Basilius Well You maye at your good leasure thinke and deuise vppon it I wil nowe returne to your text You saye Martinus the seconde whome other more trulye call Marinus gat into the Papacy by naughtye meanes What maketh that to proue your Supremacye in the laye Magistrat It is noted you saie in the margent of Platina that it was in this Popes tyme that first of all the creation of the Popes was made without the Emperours authoritye You shoulde haue tolde vs withall in what printe of Platina that note is founde I haue sene Platina both of the Collen printe and of the Venyce print sette forthe with the Notes of Onuphrius and yet I finde no suche Note in the margent It is by like the Note of some your brotherhood in some copie printed at Basill And then is it of as good Authoritye as Maister Hornes owne booke is which is God wote but course Whose so euers note it be a false note it is For as of a hundred and ten Bisshoppes of Rome before this Marinus scarse the fourthe parte of them was confirmed of the Emperours so the Emperours before this tyme neuer created Popes but onelye consented to the creation or election made by the clergye and confirmed the same for quyet sake and for the preseruation of vnyty as I haue before shewed Adrians decree that the people of Rome shoulde wayte no more for the Emperours confirmation was no defraudinge of themperours right as you vntrulye reporte but a renewing of the olde liberties and priuileges dewe to the Churche by the order of Canons and Councels and the whiche neuer came to the Emperours but by the Popes owne grauntes and decrees namelye of Adrian the first and Leo .3 as hath before appeared and therefore by them agayne reuocable without iniurye done to the Prince when the weale of the Churche so requyred As it was at this tyme the Frenche Emperours busyed with warres against the Sarracens and not so carefull of the Ecclesiasticall peace vppon respect whereof that Cōfirmation of the Pope was graunted them as were theyr predecessours Which negligence so encreased that in fewe yeares after as we shall anon see they not only lefte of the protection of the See Apostolike but loste also the Empire it being transferred to the Germains in Otho the first whome also some Germayne writers namelye Cusanus do accompte for the first Emperour of the Weste after the decaye and breache of the East Empire M. Horne The .107 Diuision Fol. 67. b. The next
Pope Stephen had an obscure tyme sauing that Charles therein called a Councell at Collen and after him Arnulphus the Emperour other tvvo the one at Moguntia the other at Triburum The .13 Chapter Of the laste Emperours of Charlemaynes race and of the Popes of Rome of that age Stapleton HEre folowe two CouÌ„cels vnder Arnulphus the Emperour the one at Moguntia the other at Triburum But what Is there in that Councels nothing for you M. Horne Why There is in the Councell of Moguntia a whole Chapter intitled Quid sit propriè ministerium Regis What is properly the office of a kynge And in a Chapter so specially debating of your matter in haÌ„d could you fynd nothing that made for you Then let vs see whether there be any thing for vs. The Councell in that Chapter saieth The office of a kynge specially is to gouerne the people of God and to rule vvith equitie and Iustice and to prouide that peace and concord may be kept And howe In ecclesiasticall matters We shal heare For saieth the Councell he ought before all thinges to be a defender of the Churches I thought the Councel would haue said Supreme Gouernour and of the seruants of God of widowes and Orphanes And so furth Lo. M. Horne The office of the prince is to defend the Churche of God not to gouerne it not to alter and chaunge the Religion not to make Church lawes c. In al this chapter looke when you will you shall not fynd one worde for the Princes supreme Gouernement or any maner of Gouernement at al in matters ecclesiastical And yet this beinge as you say in the beginninge of this booke A principall parte of the Princes Royal povver the Councel of purpose treating in this Chapter only of the princes office and power it is more then maruayl that the matter should in such depe silence so be wrapped vp that no worde or half worde thereof coulde appeare Verely in the next chapter folowinge it is commaunded and decreed that the Churches and things to them belonging should apperteyn to bishops without any worde of the Princes supreme Gouernement in thinges of the Church M. Horne The .108 Diuision Fol. 67. b. Of these Popes and those that follovved as Formosus Stephanus Romanus Benedictus Leo Christophorus Sergius and a great company more the Historians geue but an homely testimonie and Nauclerus saith that to satisfie their voluptuous lustes they did maliciously malice one another as most cruel Tyrantes and he added this reason Cum non extarent qui eorum vitia coercerent bicause there was none to correcte and chasten them for their euill doinges For so long as the Princes exercised their 351 authoritie in ouerseing carefully the Church matters and the mynisters so vvel the Popes as other Bishoppes there grevve no such intollerable disorders neither vvere there suche moÌ„sters for so Nauclerus termeth these Popes that continued any space But vvere by the Princes authoritie suppressed and therfore Nauclerus citeth out of Platina and affirmeth it to be true that the cause of these monstrous Rebelles in the Churche vvas Quòd Resp. ignauos desides principes habeat Bicause the common wealthe had improfitable and slouthfull Princes Thus these vvriters burdeine and charge the Princes vvith the disorders and enormities in Christes Churche vvherein they doo them vvronge if they thought not that it apperteined to the Princely auritie to ouersee care and prouide for the good order of Christes Churche and to redresse punishe and remoue the inordinate euilles therein Stapleton M. Horne nowe russheth in withe a bedroll of certain naughty popes down from Formosus to Iohn the .13 AmoÌ„g whom I marueyl why you recken Benedictus of whome Nauclerus writeth thus Huius Benedicti laus est quòd intam corruptis moribus grauiter constanter vitam duxisse feratur The commendation of this Benedictus is that in so corrupt maners of men he is saied to haue liued with grauitie and Constancie And namely for his great humanitie and clemency he was chosen But much more I merueyle that amonge so many badde you speake neuer a worde of the good namely of Anastasius of whom it is writen Nihil habuit quo reprehendi posset He was a man that could be charged with nothing of Leo the .6 which nihil tyrannicum prae se tulit rei diuinae consulens shewed no tyranny in his behauyour attending vpoÌ„ Gods seruice Of Steuen the 7. whose lyfe was full of gentlenesse and Religion Of Leo .7 and Steuen the .8 bothe commended Popes Of Martyn the .3 who folowed also the gentle demeanour of Steuen Of Agapetus who is writen to haue ben vir innocens Reip. Christianae feruens amator An innocent man and a feruent tenderer of the Christian commoÌ„ wealth Of whom also the kyng of Denmark receyued the faith All these good and vertuouse Popes in great affliction of wicked persons in those daies for lacke in dede of Iustice in good Emperours lyued and ruled the Church betwen this Formosus and Iohn the .13 or .12 more then twenty yeres But. M. Horne like a fowle sowe that nouseleth in the donghil and careth not for the fayre floures in the garden nouseleth him selfe amonge the euyll bisshops and can not abyde to speake one poore worde for the good And therefore as MeÌ„mius obiected to Cato his nights Dronckennesse for whom Cicero answereth why tellest thou not also of his dayes dycing he being in dede all the daye in the affayres of the Common wealth so for the bedrol of your euyl Popes Formosus and the rest I aske you whi you tel vs not also of Anastasius of Leo the .6 and .7 of Steuyn the .7 and .8 of Martyn the .3 aÌ„d of Agapetê° but that you had rather be MeÌ„mius theÌ„ Cicero rather a rashe coÌ„ptroller theÌ„ a discrete reporter M. Horne The .109 Diuision pag. 68. a. Yea Sabellicus so vvondereth at these tragicall examples of the Bishoppes of this time and their horrible obliuion of Godly Religion that he .352 ascribeth the good and godly moderatioÌ„ that vvas in the Bishops and the dutiful execution of their office from Charles the great til the ende of the Frenche Empire vvhiche vvas an vvhole age to be not so much of them selues and their ovvne good vvilles as of the avve and feare they had of the Princes kinges and Emperours vvho vvere their guardians And therfore concludeth that it may be truely said that this vvas the calamitie of Fraunce Italy and of the Churche of Rome Quòd in ea gente desitum esset imperari bicause there was .353 no king nor Emperour to beare rule 354. meaning that although there vvere kinges and Emperours yeaâ— did they not execute their Princely office and authoritie in ouerseing correcting and reforminge the Churche matters and her mynisters and therefore the state vvas miserable In this confusion vvere all thinges but especially in the
th' Emperours consent And if any be chosen bisshop without he be coÌ„meÌ„ded and inuested by the King that in no wise he be coÌ„secrated vnder paine of excoÌ„munication As Sabellicus noteth this for a renovvmed matter that the right of creatinge the Pope vvas novv restored to the Emperial dignity euen so Nauclerus affirmeth this godly Imperour Otho to be borne in totius Ecclesiae consolationeÌ„ for the consolation of the whole Churche The .14 Chapter Of Otho the first Emperour Of Iohn the .12 and Leo the .8 Popes of Romae Stapleton THis declaration runneth all vppon the deposition of the naughtye Pope Iohn the .13 or as moste men call him the .12 in a synode at Rome the Emperour Otho being then present But onlesse M. Horne can shewe that this Emperour toke hym self for supreame head in all causes ecclesiasticall and temporall and vtterlye renownced all the Popes supreamacye the case standynge that thys Pope were a most wycked man which we freelie confesse and most vnworthy of that see yet is M. Horne farre of from iustifiing the matter Wherin eueÌ„ by hys owne author and story he should haue bene vtterly ouerthrowen yf he had made therof a true and a faythfull reporte which ye shall now heare by vs and that by hys owne chronographer so that ye shall haue good cause to be astonied to see the most shamefull and impudente dealing of thys man First then he begynneth with a notoriouse lie For neither thys Cardinall whome Luithprandus calleth Iohannem nor the Maister of the rolles whome he calleth Aronem nor the Bishop of Millain and others here named were sente to complayne vppon Pope Iohn to Otho but sente to hym by Iohn the Pope hym self which Iohn hys authour Luithprandus calleth the highe Bishop and the vniuersall Pope who most humbly beseacheth hym that he woulde vouchsaufe for the loue of God and the holye Apostle Petre and Paule as he would wishe them to forgyue hym hys synnes to deliuer hym and the Churche of Rome to hym committed from the tyrannye of Berengarius and Adelbertus Wheruppon themperour gathered an army and commyng to Italie with all spede expulsed from the Kyngdome of Italy the sayde tyrants so that yt seamed euidente that he was ayded and assisted by the moste holy Apostles Peter and Paule and which is to be noted he was afterward anoynted and crowned Emperour of the sayd Iohn though so vicyous a maÌ„ and swore also obedieÌ„ce vnto him as Nauclerus writeth Farther he did not only restore hym those thinges wherof he was spoyled but honored hym also with greate rewards aswell in golde and siluer as in precious stones And he toke an oth of the Pope vpoÌ„ the most precious body of S. Peter that he shuld neuer ayde or assist the sayd BereÌ„garius and Adelbertê° M. Horne here nedelesse enforceth the credit of his author as then liuing yea and anaunceth him to be a famous writer and a DeacoÌ„ Cardinal wheras he was as far as my boke sheweth and as farre as Trithemius and Pantaleon report of him no DeacoÌ„ Cardinal at Rome but a deacoÌ„ of the church of TicinuÌ„ otherwise called Pauia in Italy Onlesse perchauÌ„ce he was such a Cardinal as the Cardinals are amoÌ„g the pety canoÌ„s of Poules in LondoÌ„ With like truth ye say M. Horne ij lines after that the pope practised with Adelbertus to depose the Emperour but your author speaketh not so much but onlye that the Pope promised the foresayed Adelbertus to helpe him againste the Emperours power Then tell ye in a smaller and distincte letter truely inough but altogether confusely of Iohns doings writing out of your author as we haue good experience but who were that we ye shewe not nor to whome the wordes were spoken Ye say that the Emperour called a Councell in Italie to depose him that your authour sayeth not but that after three dayes themperour had bene at Rome the pope and Adelbertus being fledde from thence there was a greate assemblie in S. Peters Church rogantibus tam Romanis episcopis quà m plebe at the desire as well of the Italian bishops as of the people In the whiche councell were presente beside the Bishops many noble men And the Pope ranne not away bicause of this Councell as you vntruly reporte but iij. dayes after that he was fled with Adelbertê° the CouÌ„cel was called and that not to depose hym but to call hym to his answere as appereth by the Emperours owne oration Who after that Benedictus had rehersed dyuerse of theis horryble owtragies that ye specifie themperour and the councell sent for hym to purge hym self In the which letters sent by the Emperour ye dissemble many thinges and dismember them as the tytle of theÌ„perours letters whiche was Summo Pontifici vniuersali papae Iohanni Otho c. To the highe Bishop aÌ„d the vniuersal Pope our Lord Iohn Otho and so forth And by and by We asked the cause of your absence and why ye would not see vs your and your Churches defensour And againe Oramus itaque paternitatem vestram obnixè venire atque hijs omnibus vos purgare non dissimuletis Si forte vim temerariae multitudinis formidatis iuramento vobis affirmamus nihil fieri praeter SanctoruÌ„ Canonum sanctionem We most earnestly pray your fatherhode that ye do not forslow to come and to purge your selfe Yf ye feare any violeÌ„ce of the rude and rashe people we promise you vpon our Othe that nothing shal be done contrary to the Decrees of the holye Canons After this ye rehearse the Popes short answere which yet as short as it is doth wonderfully trouble you and ye dare not fully recite it I hea saie saith this Iohn ye wil make an other Pope which if ye attempt I excoÌ„municate you all that ye may haue no licence or power to order any or to saie Masse It is true that ye saie afterwarde that the Councell desired the Emperour that the said Iohn might be remoued and that the Emperour so answered Yet ye leaue out part of his answere And that is and that some other might be found who should rule the holy and vniuersall See Neither did they desire of the Emperour any thing els but his assistaÌ„ce in the remouiÌ„g of him Neither proprely to speak otherwise then by coÌ„senting and assisting did th'Emperour create pope Leo. As appeareth by your author saying that al saied with one voice LeoneÌ„ nobis in pastoreÌ„ eligimus vt sit summus vniuersalis Papa Romanae ecclesiae We doe electe Leo to be our pastour and the high and vniuersall Pope of the Roman Churche and doe refuse Iohn the renegate for hys wycked behauiour The wich thinge beinge thryse by all cried owte he was caried to the palace of Lateran Annuente imperatore with themperours consente and theÌ„ to S. Peters Church to be consecrated and theÌ„ they swore they would be faythful vnto him And in thys election the people also
It is straÌ„ge me thinketh to heare at your haÌ„ds of the Popes holy haÌ„d namely seing your authour Nauclerus speaketh of hys haÌ„d only withowt any other additioÌ„ Belyke there is come vppon yow some sodayne deuotion towards the Popes holines But lo I see now the cause of your deuotioÌ„ The Popes haÌ„d is holy with yow now wheÌ„ he being forced aÌ„d coÌ„strayned deliuereth vppe such priuileges as with his heart he did not deliuer and therfore did afterward in a CouÌ„cel of Bishops reuoke al these doinges Whiche your authour in the nexte leaf as also Sabellicus at large doth declare and what sturre aÌ„d busines the Emperour made for it swearing first to the Pope that he wold vse no violence and that he woulde cause all the Bishops of Germany which had bene made by Simonye to be deposed Who yet afterward brake bothe partes of his Oâ—he Toke the Pope out of Rome with him as prisoner because he would not confirme his symoniacal Bisshops And after long vexation of the Pope and spoiles of the Romaine territorie extorted at the lengthe by fine force his consente thereto which yet after the Emperour being departed he reuoked as I said in a ful Councell And this periurie and violence of this Emperour the Italian Emperours doe witnesse also Briefly al came to this conclusion that Paschalis being dead the Emperour shortly after renounced to the Pope Calistus the .2 all this inuesturing of Bisshops and left to the clergy the free electioÌ„ without the princes coÌ„firmatioÌ„ which was al that Paschalis grauÌ„ted to this Emperour For the grauÌ„t of Paschalis as it is recorded in Nauclere referreth it selfe to the former grauntes of his predecessours made to Catholike Emperours And farder he specifieth his graunt thus That he haue priuilege to geue the staffe and the ring to al Bisshops and Abbats of his dominions being first freely chosen without violence or symonie and to be afterward consecrated or ordered of the bisshop to whom they belong But al this was as I haue said both reuoked of Pope Paschalis and geuen ouer of Henrie the fift But I pray you tell me was your holy hand so vnlustie and heauy that ye could or rather would not set in this also being a parcell of your authors narration and the finall conclusion of this great controuersie Whiche as it was theÌ„ troblesom to the church many yeres so it is troblesom also to your Reader as occupiyng a greate parte of your booke but no part of your principal mater and yet as litle material as it is in fine al agaiÌ„st you And therfore ye shake the ful declaratioÌ„ of the mater from your holy handes as a man would shake away a snake for feare of stinging M. Horne The .115 Diuision pag. 74. b. The next Emperour to Henrie vvas Lotharius vvho so laboured vvith the Pope to retaine the inuesturing of Ecclesiasticall persons and besides that he so trauailed in other Ecclesiastical causes so .396 vvel as Temporal that saith Vrspurg Huius laus est à vindicata religione legibus The praise of this Prince is in that he refourmed Religion and the Lawes Next to vvhom vvas Conradus the Emperour to vvhome the Romaines vvrote supplications to come and chalendge his right in these matters to reduce the fourme of the Empire to the olde state whiche it was in in Constantine and Iustinians daies and to deliuer them from the .397 tyranny of the Pope To vvhom also the Pope vvrote humble supplications to take his cause into his protection against the Magistrates of Rome which toke vppon them to reduce the Pope to the olde order and state of the .398 aunciente bisshoppes of Rome Stapleton Let the Emperour Lotharius labour to retain the inuesturing of Bishops which as ye heard Henrie the .5 resigned before to Calistus let him if ye will needes vse that word reforme the ciuil lawes and religion to the meaning wherof is no more but that he restored the ciuil Lawe the vse therof being discoÌ„tinued many yeres aÌ„d restored Pope InnoceÌ„tius the .2 to his See beiÌ„g thrust out by an Antipope wherof he was called Fidelis Ecclesiae aduocatus a faithfull defeÌ„der of the Church Yet why do you vtter such grosse lyes M. Horne telling your Reader that the Romaines besought th' Emperor to deliuer them froÌ„ the tyraÌ„ny of the Pope Neyther Otho Fringensis nor Nauclerus who rehearseth his words haue any such thing The Romaines at that time would be lusty a Gods name and reduce their state to the old magnificence of the victorious Romaines being proud of a litle victorie whiche they had against the Tiburtines And therefore the Pope complained to the Emperour of their tyrannie not they of the Popes tyrannie Yea they thrusted out the Emperours Praefectus and placed in his roome their owne Patricius And so woulde shake of as well the Emperour as the Pope Foorth then with the storie Let Pope Lucius .2 make huÌ„ble supplicatioÌ„ to the Emperour Conradus against the Magistrates of Rome coÌ„cerning the ciuil regiment of Rome and their subiection to the Pope in temporalities for that was the matter and no other and yet were they faine shortlye after to submitte them selues to Eugenius .3 the next Pope Let all this be as you tell it not perspicuouslie but couertlie as though the Romaines then woulde haue bene Schismatiques as you are nowe and denied his Authoritie in Spiritual causes as you doe nowe let all this as I saie be graunted vnto you But then I pray you set your conclusion to it that therefore the Prince is Supreme Gouernour in all causes Ecclesiasticall and then shall euery childe sone conclude with you that your Conclusion concludeth nothinge to the purpose For all the strife and contention here was partely about Temporall and Ciuill regiment partely not against the Popes Authoritie absolutelye but against such or suche a Pope whiche thing I woulde haue you wel to note Maister Horne not here onelye but in all these and other quarrellings of Emperours againste Popes That they neuer repined againste the Popes Authoritie as the Pope but they repined against this man or that maÌ„ whom they woulde not agnise for the Pope but some other by them selues elected M. Horne The .116 Diuision pag. 74. b. Next to vvhome follovved the Godly and zelous Emperour Frederike the firste vvho .399 seeing the horrible vices of the Romissh Church commaunded that no Legate of the Church of Rome should be suffered to enter into Germanie without he were called or hyred of the Emperour nor would suffer that any man vnder the name of appellation shuld goe vnto the Court of Rome After the death of Adrian the fovvrth the Cardinals fell out amongest them selues for the Election of a nevv Pope some stryuinge to haue Rovvlande other some contendinge to haue Octauian a man saith Abbat Vrspur in all points honest and religious Herevppon sprang an horrible schisme and great discord Rouland
euery godly and faithfull person ought to shewe to the chief Pastour of the Churche And yf any thing fall out worthy of amendement it refuseth not to submitte them selues to the determination of the Church which can not erre C. A recta .24 q. 1. By which allegatioÌ„ they proteste to meane the Church of Rome For so in that place we reade out of the AuncieÌ„t decretal epistle of Pope Luciê° .1 How theÌ„ do you proue M. Horn by this exaÌ„ple the like gouernement in the Church causes as you now attribute to the Q. Mai. and as you take vpoÌ„ you here to proue GrauÌ„te M. Horn to the See Apostolike now as the Court of Paris grauÌ„ted theÌ„ and theÌ„ looke howe and with what conscience you may take the Othe which now you defend or by what reason you caÌ„ moue M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ thereunto I would haue you ones briÌ„g some exaÌ„ple that made not playn against you and your whole booke M. Horne The .142 Diuision pag. 85. a. Pius the seconde sent his Legate the Cardinal of Cusa into the countreis of Sigismond Duke of Austria vvhich Legate when he woulde haue ordeined certain .465 Ecclesiasticall constitutions according to the Popes Lawe Sigismonde the Duke would not suffer that such a custome should come into Germany Aeneas Syluius vvho after he vvas made Pope vvas called Pius the seconde vvas of this minde before he vvas Pope that secular Princes might cal councels yea .466 maugre the Popes head and therefore commendeth that deuise of Charles the Frenche king which saith he is both a saulf and a short way to stil this mischiefe He meaneth to take avvay the Schisme and to restore vnity to the Churche Of the same .467 minde also vvas â—is Cardinal de Cusa as appeareth in his booke De CoÌ„cordia Catholica saying By that which is a foresaide it is gathered that the holy Emperours alwaies made the Synodical coÌ„gregations of vniuersal councels of the whole Chuâ—che and euen so I my selfe hauing sought throughly the Actes of al the vniuersal councels euen til the eight councel inclusiue celebrated in the time of Basil I haue found it to be true and so also in the same eight Synod in the fift Act therof we reade that the most reuerende priest Elias and Syncellus of the trone of Hierusalem in the hearinge of al spake thus Knowe you that in the tymes past they were the Emperours which gathered together Synods froÌ„ out of the whole vvorld aÌ„d they collected their deputies to the disposing of such maner causes VVhose steps therfore our Emperor folovving being also a worshipper of God hath made this vniuersal Synod Thus said he there aÌ„d I haue also redde in the litle glosse of Anastasius the library-keper of the Apostolical sea who translated the same Synode out of Greke vpon the same saying that the Emperours were vvont to gather vniuersal Synodes from al the vvorld c. The .36 Chapter Of Aeneas Syluius who was after Pope Pius .2 and of Cardinal Cusanus Stapleton YOu run stil at riot M. Horne bringing in your matters extraordinarely and impertinently and yet adioyned with one lye beside For your autor speketh not of the ordeining of any ecclesiasticall constitution by the Popes Legat but that themperor would not suffer him to receiue the profits of the Church he had in commendo neither any such custome to be brought into Germanye Ye are then in hande ones agayne that Princes maye call Councelles But when ye tell vs this owte of Aeneas Syluius and tell vs withall that before he was pope he was of that minde that secular princes might call Councelles if he were not also of that minde being pope why tell you this tale against your selfe Had you read M. Horne that notable letter of Recantation which this Aeneas Syluius in his riper yeares and later dayes after the example of S. Augustin retracting in like maner diuers thinges sent to the Vniuersytie of Collen sette forth fewe yeres past in diuers editions you woulde not for very shame if any shame be in you ones haue mentioned the testimony of this man In that Bulle of retractatioÌ„ forseing as he sayth him self the obiection that woulde be made he retracteth and reuoketh this errour which in his youthe at the Councel at Basill he had lerned that the CouÌ„cel was aboue the Pope In which he declareth at large by what meanes by whose aduise and counsell he was first persuaded so to thinke howe also he was agayne brought backe from that errour and amonge other meanes by the persuasion of that most lerned Cardinall Iulianus sancti Angeli who firste at Basill was for the Councell against pope Eugenius but after as after him all other reconciled him selfe to the pope was his legate in the Councell of Florence where most lernedly he confuted the Grekes and reduced them al only Marcus of Ephesus excepted to the Catholike doctrine of the holy Ghoste and to the vnyte of the Romain Church and last of al serued him in embassy against the Turk He proueth by Scripture by natural Reason by Authorytie of the Doctours that Peter and his successours are the Supreme Vicairs of Christ that the Church to whome Christ gaue his peace must of necessytie haue that kinde of regiment by which peace may most be mayntained and preserued which only is the state of Monarchy where one Heade gouerneth the whole body and last by S. Hierom and S. Bernard that the bishop of Rome S. Peters Successour is that one Head After al which he coÌ„cludeth Haec nos de Romani Pontificis Authoritate potestate sentimus cui coÌ„gregare Concilia generalia dissoluere datum est qui etsi filius est propter regenerationem propter dignitateÌ„ tamen pater habetur sicut propter regenerationis causam venerari debet Ecclesiam tanquam Matrem ita propter praelationis causam praeest ei vt pastor gregi princeps populo Rector familiae This is our Iudgement of the Authoritye and power of the Bisshop of Rome To whome it belongeth both to summon general Councelles and to dissolue them Who though he be a childe of the Churche for his regeneration and newe birthe therein by baptisme yet he is for his dignity and office her Father And as he ought to Reuerence the Churche as his Mother because he was borne of her so he ruleth the Church also as a Pastour the flocke as a Prince his people and as a maister his family because he is made the Ruler of her Again in his very last words of that retractatioÌ„ thus he speaketh to the Vniuersity of ColleÌ„ Haec nostra sententia est filij Haec credimus profitemur haec iam senes in Apostolatus apice constituti pro veritate asserimus si quae vel vobis vel aliis conscripsimus aliquando quae huic doctrinae repugnent illa tanquam erronea iuuenilis animi parum pensata iudicia
is his anker hold and for this cause aswell the whole allegation is here producted as also one peace of the same set in the first page of his whole boke as a sure marke to direct the reader by and as yt were a Sampsons poste for M. Horne to buyld his boke vppō But take good head M. Horne yt be not a true Sampsons poste and that it bring not the whole howse vpon your own head as yt doth in dede Wherunto good reader seing M. Horne hath chosen this as a notable allegation to be eied on setting the same in two notable places I woulde wishe thee also to geue a good eye thereunto and to see if it can anye way possible make for him I say then M. Horne that this allegatiō goeth no further then that the Prince by his cyuill and worldlye power shoulde assiste and maynteyne the Churche and her doctrine And that this allegation directly and rowndly proueth the contrarye of that for the whiche ye doe alleage yt that is that yt proueth the ecclesiasticall authoritie and not the cyuill to be cheif and principall in causes ecclesiasticall And that in effecte the whole tendeth to nothing else but that as I sayde the Princes shoulde defend the Churche I will not stande here in ripping vp of wordes with you or in the diuersity of reading and that some old copies haue who hath committed his Churche to be defended of theire power and that your hath deliuered to be committed seameth to stande in your translation vnhansomly I will saye nothing that credere and committere is all one in Latin Let this goe I finde no faulte with you for translation but for yl application Yf ye had brought this authority to proue that the prince should defende the Churche for the whiche ende and respecte it was writen I woulde say nothing to you But when ye will bleare our eies and make vs so blinde that we shoulde imagine by this saying of Isidore that the king is Supreame Head of the Churche or that his assente is necessarie to the Synodes of Bishops and coūcelles I wil say to you that the cōtrary wil be much better gathered of this allegatiō The very firste wordes wōderfully acrase your newe primacy and somwhat also your honesty peruersly trāslating nōnunquā which is somtime or now and thē into oftētimes But let yt be for nonnunquam sepe let them oftētymes haue the highest authoritye in the Churche Vnlesse they haue yt styll they can not be called the Supreame Heades in all causes ecclesiastical And so theis very words make a good argumēt againste your primacy But now M. Horne what is the cause whie they haue this high authority either somtimes or oftētimes Isidore straytwayes sheweth the cause that they may as your self translate fence by theire power the ecclesiastical discipline Ye heare thē the scope and final purpose of this allegation for Princes authority in matters ecclesiasticall that is to defende the Churche And therefore as I sayde yt is more sutely to reade tradidit defendendam then tradidit cōmittendā And for this cause the Emperours call them selues not capita Ecclesiae not the heades of the Churche sed aduocatos Ecclesiae but the aduocates of the Churche as your self tel of themperour Friderike Goe we now forth with Isidorus But first I aske of you M. Horne that make the Princes to be heades of the Churche and to haue so muche to doe in matters ecclesiasticall that the Bishops can decree nothing that shoulde be auaylable withowt they re special ratification for the setting forth of the which doctrine ye are content for this tyme that priestes shal be priestes and may sweare by their priesthod and not by theire aldermanship or eldership whether suche authority in Princes be absolutelie necessarie to the Churche or no Yf ye say no thē conclud you against your self ād your whole boke Yf ye say yea then conclude you against the truthe and againste your authour who sayeth that suche authority of Princes in the Church is not necessarie but for to punishe those that contemne the worde of doctrine the fayth and discipline of the Churche Of whome haue we receiued M. Horne the worde of doctrine the faythe and discipline of the Churche Of the Apostles and theire successours the Bishoppes or of the Princes I suppose ye will not saie of Princes Then must ye graunt that for these matters the primacy resteth in the clergy of whom the Princes thē selues haue receiued theire faith ād to whom in matters of faith and for the discipline of the Churche they must also obey and as case requireth set forth the doctrine of worde wyth theire temporal sworde Whiche if they do not but suffer throwghe theire slacknes the faythe and disciplyne of the Churche to be loosed God who hath committed his Churche to be defended by theire power wil exacte an accompte of thē as your authour Isidore writeth and your self do allege So that now we see euen by your own allegatiō in whom the superiority of Churche matters remayneth that is in the clergy And that Princes are not the heades but the ayders assisters and aduocates of the Churche with theire tēporal authority And to this ende all that euer ye haue browght in this your boke cōcerning the intermedling of Princes in church affaires cā only be referred And this your own allegatiō is aswel a sufficiēt answere to al your argumēts hitherto laid furth for the princes supremacy as a good iustification of the Clergies primacy Wherfore if you harken but to your owne allegation and will stande to the same as you wil your Readers to do placing it as I haue said in the fore fronte of your booke you must nedes stand also to the next parcell folowing making clerely for the Clergies superioritie in Ecclesiasticall causes These words I mean that withī the Church the power of Prīces shuld not be necessary sauing that that thing which the Priests are not able to do by the word of doctrine the power of the prīce may cōmaūd by terror of discipline And I doubt nothing but that we are able wel and surely to proue as wel by his other bookes as by his gathering of all the Councels together into one volume yet extāt that Isidorus thought of the Popes Primacy then as Catholiques doe now For an euident proufe wherof behold what this Auncient and learned Bisshop Isidorus writeth He saith Synodorum congregandarum authoritas Apostolicae sedi commissa est Neque vllam Synodū generalem ratam esse credimus aut legimus quae non fuerit eius authoritate congregata vel fulcita Hoc Authoritas testatur Canonica hoc Ecclesiastica historia comprobat hoc Sancti Patres confirmant The Authoritie of assembling Coūcelles is committed to the See Apostolike Neither doe we beleue or reade any General Councell to be ratified whiche was not either assembled or confirmed with her Authoritie
This to be so the Authoritie of Canons doth witnesse This the ecclesiastical history proueth This the holie Fathers confirme Lo you see M. Horne what the iudgement of Isidorus was aboue .900 yeres past howe iumpe it agreeth with the assertion of Catholiques now and how directly it ouerthroweth yours This therfore being so sure a Principle on our parte and so clerelie proued bethinke your selfe now M. Horne how your new Primacie wil be proued by this allegation Touching that you saie This Clergie in King Henries daies was not only of Diuines but also of the wisest most expert and best learned in the Ciuil and Canon Lawes that was or hath ben sence as D. Tonstal D. Stokesley D. Gardiner D. Thirlbie and D. Bonner by the euident falsehood whiche you practise in alleaging these witnesses a man may iudge with what fidelitie you haue handled the rest throughout your whole booke Who is ignoraunte that not one of these Reuerent Fathers did sincerely thinke that to be true which you here impute vnto them For whereas all vpright iudgement shoulde come of a mans owne free choise not stained or spotted either with the hope of priuate lucre and honoure or with the feare of great losse the one of those two things which of all other most forceably carieth men away from professing their owne conscience did stoppe those men from saying and vttering that which otherwise they would most gladly haue vttered sithens as they were put in hope of al promotion if they agreed with the Kings will of which they made I iudge the lesse accompte so disagreeing from the same they were certaine to loose bothe goods and life and also their good name in the shew of the worlde as who shoulde haue bene put to deathe by the name of Traitours whiche is the thing that all true subiectes doe chieflie abhorre Yet you knowe in suche sorte suffered a great many notable both for learning and vertue as D. Fisher Bishoppe of Rochester Syr Thomas More a great number of the Carthusians beside diuerse other of all estates You knowe also the matter then was not so sifted and tryed by learning as it hath bene since And we know they were the secrete snakes of your adders broode that induced the King to that minde not any of the Doctours here by you named who all againste their willes condescended therevnto Howe then are they broughte foorthe for witnesses of your heresies who for feare of deathe saied as you doe and that no longer then the foresaid impedimente laie in theyr waye For when the state of the worlde was otherwise that without feare of deathe they might vtter their minde freely who knoweth not that all they who liued to see those daies of freedome in all theire woordes and deedes protested that the Pope and not the King was head of the Churche vnder Christ Neuer hearde you M. Horne that when your owne brethren being arryued before D. Gardiner the Bishope of Winchester and then Chauncelour of England had saied they lerned theyr disobedience vnto the Pope out of his booke De vera obedientia c. then he aunswered that if they had bene good Scholers they would haue folowed theyr Maister in his beste and not in his worste doeinges Againe if they had erred through his Authority whē he was not so wel learned and grounded they should much more repēt and recāt through his Authority being nowe better lerned through longer studie and better grounded through longer experience And this Doctour Gardiner when he was moste of your side in this one matter yet he was so suspected of the Kinge for secrete conference with the Pope by letters to be sent by a straunger in the tyme of his embassye on this side of the Seas that as Master Foxe reporteth for this verie cause Kinge Henrie in all Generall Pardons graunted after that tyme dyd euermore excepte all treasons committed beyonde the Seas whiche was meant for the Bishoppes cause This ys that Doctour Gardiner who at Paules Crosse in a moste Honorable and full Audience witnessed not onely his owne repentaunce for his former naughty doings but also that King Henry sought diuerse tymes to haue reconciled hym selfe againe to the See of Rome as who knewe that he had vnlawfully departed from the vnytie thereof and had made hym selfe the Supreme Heade of the Churche of Englande altogether vniustly This is that Doctour Gardiner ▪ who lying in his deathebedde caused the Passion of Christe to be readen vnto hym and when he hearde it readen that Peter after the denying of his Maister went out and wepte bitterlie he causyng the Reader to staye wept him selfe full bitterlie and saied Ego exiui sed non dum fleui amarè I haue gone out but as yet I haue not wepte bytterlie And is nowe Doctour Gardiner a fitte witnesse for your secular Supremacy M. Horne Marcellinus the Pope being afearde of deathe dyd sacrifice vnto Idolles And the same Marcellinus repenting his vniuste feare dyd afterwarde sacrifice his owne bodie and soule for the loue of Christe suffring Martyrdome for his sake Will you nowe proue Idolles to be better then Christe by the facte of Marcellinus Or shall not the last iudgemente stande rather then the first What meane you then to alleage the iudgementes of Doctour Gardiner Doctour Thirlbey Doctour Tonstall and Doctour Bonner sith you knowe that all those chaunged their mindes vppon better aduise Or whie died Doctour Tonstalle in prisonne Or why lye the other learned godly Bisshops yet in prisonne if they are of your minde But if you knowe that they dissente vtterly from you and yet doe pretende to bring their Authoritie for you this fact declareth that you are not only a fond wrangler but also a wicked falsarie and that you knowe as well Saint Augustine whome you alleaged before so largelye and all the Councels and princes with al other Authours by you producted are none otherwise of your minde then are Doctour Thirlebie and Doctour Bonner whome you so impudentlie make to speake as Proctours in your cause albeit they are readie to shedde their bloude against this your opinion Once in maner the whole clergy of the Realme sinned most greuously by preferring the secular and earthly kingdome before the Magistrates of the heauēly kingdome But that sinne of theirs al those now abhor and haue before abhorred to whō God gaue grace to see the filthines and the absurdty thereof And surelye vntil the rest bothe of the clergy and of the layety do hartely repēt for that most filthy and absurd dede wherein they withdrewe the Supremacy from S. Peters successours and gaue it to the successours of Iulius Caesar vntill I say they repent for it and refourme that minde of theirs as much as lyeth in thē they cā neuer be made partakers of the kingedome of heauen But only they shal inherit the kingdome of the earth in whose Supremacy they put their cōfidence You Mayster Horn haue in dede great
vntrue that he bringeth in Lotharius to confirme that which Speculatour said For he intreateth of Lotharius before he alleageth Speculator and doth not alleage Lotharius for that purpose ye speake of Fiftly and last Lotharius is not as ye pretende of this mynde that all iurisdiction cometh of the secular Prince For Lotharius meaneth not of the clergies iurisdiction which cometh not of the Prince but of the iurisdiction of Laye men which all together dependeth of the Prince M. Horne The .147 Diuision pag. 87. b. And vvriting of the Kings povver in Eccle. .483 matters or causes he citeth this Canon Quando vult Deus foorth of the decrees vvhereuppon he as it vvere commenteth saying Thus is the reason vvherefore it is leaful for the Prince some vvhiles to determine those things vvhich concerne the Church least the honesty of the mother he meaneth the Church should in any thing be violated or least her tranquilly should be troubled specially of them to vvhom she is committed meaning the Church Ministers Stapleton Leaue ones M. Horne this peuishe pinching and paring this miserable mayming and marring of your authours Your authour M. Horne geueth two rules the first for the authority and matters of the Church saying that in matter of fayth and synne the lawe of the Church is euer to be obserued and therto all princes lawes must yelde whiche rule he proueth at large And thus yow see your owne authour standeth agaiÌ„st you for one of the cheif matters of your booke wheriÌ„ ye wil in al matters to be determined by the Church that the princes coÌ„sent is to be had The .2 rule is touching the prince wherin he sayth that it apperteyneth to the kings and princes of the worlde to desire that the Church theyr mother of whome they are spiritually born be in their tyme in rest and quietnes And this is the reason and so forth as your self reherse What can ye gather of this that is sayde that somtyme the princes may determine of thinges touchinge the Church seyng as ye haue heard before this determination toucheth not fayth or synne nor can be vsed of them generally but sometymes for the quietnes of the Church M. Horn. The .148 Diuision pag. 87. b. If there be any other thing this chiefly is an Ecclesiasticall matter namely to call or conuocate Councelles saith Quintinus But this is the opinion saith he of many learned men that the Emperour may conuocate a general Councel so often and for any cause whan the pope and the Cardinalles be noted of any suspicioÌ„ and doo forslowe aÌ„d ceasse either for lacke of skil or peraduenture of some euil meaning or of both or els whan there is any schisme CoÌ„staÌ„tinus saith he called the first Nicene couÌ„cel the other three general CouÌ„cels Gratianus Theodosius and Martianus themperours called by their edict Iustinianus called the fifte general couÌ„cel at CoÌ„stantinople themperor CoÌ„staÌ„tine .4 did coÌ„uocat the sixt general CouÌ„cel agaiÌ„st the Monothelytes The authority of the kiÌ„g Theodorike coÌ„maunded the Bishops aÌ„d priestes forth of diuers prouiÌ„ces to assemble together at Rome for the purgatioÌ„ of Pope Symachus the first Carolus Magnus as it is in our histories coÌ„mauÌ„ded fiue CouÌ„cels to be celebrated for the Ecclesiastical state to wit Moguntinum Remense Cabilonense Arelatense and Turonense The Pope calleth the Bishops to Rome or to some other place the King dooth forbidde them to go or he commaundeth them to come to his Court or .484 Councell the Bisshoppes muste obey the kinges precept not onely in this case but in any other matter what so euer besides sinne for he that dooth not obserue his bounden fidelitie to the kinge whether he be a Bisshoppe Priest or Deacon is to be throwne foorth of his degree or place For the proufe vvhereof he citeth many Canons out of the decrees and concludeth thus to be briefe this is mine opinion whan the kinge calleth together the Prelates to a Councell and to reforme the state of the Church they are bounde to obey yea although the Pope .486 forbidde it Stapleton This is our olde matter of calling of CouÌ„cels by princes wherin you see you authour maketh no general or absolut rule as you doe but for certayne tymes and considerations for the which I will not greatly stande with yowe seinge that your authour confesseth that which we most stand for and ye stande most against that the prince in such couÌ„cels hath not the superiority but the cleargy For he saith I wil that princes be present at such Councelles but not president And therfor Quintinus wil not be aduocat for the bishops that by their priesthod promised that they woulde enacte nothing in their synodes without the kings consente Yet haue ye one prety knacke more in Quintinus to proue the king supreame head and not the pope For if the kinge on the one syde and the pope on the other side call the bisshops to a Councell the Bisshoppes muste obey the kinge and not the pope and not onely in this thinge but in all other thinges what so euer beside synne Happie is it that ye haue putte in beside synne for this putteth you quite beside your cusshion as they say and beside your matter and purpose For this is synne yea and one of the moste horrible kindes of synne that is a schisme for any prince or anie other to holde a councell contrary to the councell summoned by a lawfull Pope Such neuer had anie good successe as the ecclesiasticall stories euery where reporte And as Aarons rodde deuoured the roddes of Iamnes and Mambres and other sorcerers in Aegipte and as his rodde onely among all the roddes of the schismaticall and murmuringe people of Israell did geue forth yong slippes and braunches and for a memoriall was reserued in the tabernacle Euen so those councells that the pope gathered or allowed haue deuoured and abolished all other vnlawful and schismaticall conuenticles They onely florish and be in estimation and are and shal be for euer preserued in the tabernacle of Christes Catholyke Churche I will not walke in the larg felde of this matter that here lieth open The Frenche kinges doinges onely whereof ye talke shall be a sufficiente confirmation for our side and such stories onely as your self haue browght forth for the streÌ„gthniÌ„g as ye thought of your purpose As the couÌ„cel of Rhemes that the kiÌ„g Hugo Capet assembled deposing ther as ye write the bishop Arnulphus What was the issue M. Horn Did not Benedictus the .7 summone an other couÌ„cel eueÌ„ in the very same city aÌ„d restored Arnulphê° again Was not al that your fayre kiÌ„g Philip atteÌ„pted agaiÌ„st the pope Bonifaciê° in his couÌ„cels in FraÌ„ce brought to naught by a couÌ„cel suÌ„moned by the Pope as we haue before declared we haue also shewed how that the LateraÌ„ councell abolished the Pisane conuenticle that Lewes the Frenche king and others maynteyned as your self write
Wherfore yf your authour had thus writen neither his tyme is so auncient nor his authoritie so great but that a man might haue sayde that he was wonderfully deceyued But it is not he but you that with your false sleight and craftie cōueiance deceyue your readers Your authour speaketh not of two councells the one summoned by the pope the other by the king but speaketh of bishops that held by fealty and homage lands of the king And then sayth that quoad feuda regalia concernīg theis fealties and royalties the king is aboue the bisshops as he is aboue all his other vassals And therfore if the pope on the one side send for a bisshoppe and the kinge on the other side send for him concerning his fealty and homage matters he ought to goe to the king otherwise he shoulde rather obey the pope thē the king as appereth sayth Quintine in the glose to the which he referreth hym self Theis wordes feuda and regalia haue ye sliely slipt ouer as though Quintinus had auouched the bishops subiectiō in Ecclesiastical matters You could not otherwise haue decked your margent with your gay and freshe lying note that the king is to be obeyed in Ecclesiastical causes and not the Pope And so are ye now sodainly become so spiritual and so good an ecclesiastical man that feuda and regalia are become matters ecclesiastical Which is as true as ye may be rightfully called an ecclesiastical man hauing a Madge of your owne to kepe your back warme in the cold winter nightes and by as good reason ye may cal her an ecclesiastical woman to M. Horn. The .149 Diuision pag. 88. a. The people doth amende or reforme the negligence of the Pastour Can. vlt. dist 65. Ergo the Prince also may do the same If the Bisshop wil not or doe forslovve to heare and to decide the controuersies of his Cleargy the Bisshop being slowe or tarying ouer longe nothing dooth hinder or stay saith the Canon to aske Episcopale Iudicium the bisshoply iudgement of the Emperour If it happen that the Priests be not diligent about the Aultar offices if concerning the temple neglecting the Sacrifices they hasten into kings palayces ▪ runne to wrastlinge places doe prophane them selues in brothelles houses and yf they conuert that which the faithful haue offred to the pleasures of them selues and of theirs wherefore shal not the Princes whome the Catholique Faith hath begotten and taught in the bosome of the Church cal againe and take vpon thē selues the care of this matter and so proueth at large by many examples out of the Histories and the Lavves that this care and charge in Ecclesiasticall .487 matters and causes belongeth to the Princes vnto the vvhich examples he addeth this In our Fathers tyme saith he Kinge Lewes .11 made a constitution that Archebisshoppes Bisshops Abbottes and who so euer hadde dignities in the Church or had the cure of other benefices should within fiue monethes resorte to their Churches and should not remoue any more frō thēse diligently there labouring in diuine matters and sacrifices for the faulfty of the king and his kingdome and that vnder a great paine of losing all their goods and lands Here Quintinus doth greuously complain of the dissolute and moste corrupt maners of the Cleargy vvhereto he addeth saying VVherefore than should not Princes cōpell this Iewde idle kinde of men to do their dueties Stapleton May the people M. Horne amende and reforme the negligence of the pastour And that by the Popes Lawe to Then belyke the headlesse people of Germany and your headlesse bretherne that of late haue made such ruffle in these lowe countres here shal finde some good defence for their doings to saue the reast from the gybet or from the sacke which haue not yet passed that way Then may yt seme a smal matter that the laye people haue by a late Acte of parliamente transformed and altered the olde relligion against the minde of all the Bisshops and the whole conuocation But your authour saieth Ecclesiae nihil est licentius Democratia There is in the worlde nothing more perniciouse to the Church of God then is such vnbrideled libertie of the people which must be taught and not followed as he alleageth out of Pope Celestin ād that but two distinctiōs before that distinction which your self alleage And what great reformation is it M. Horn that your distinction speaketh of Suerly none other but that yf it chaunce all the bisshops of one contrie to die sauing one and yf he be negligent in procuring the electiō and substitutiō of some other in their places that the people may goe to the bisshops of the contrey next adioyning and cause them to ordeine some new bisshops We are also content that yf the bisshops or others be negligent the prince may compell them to doe their dewty But then loke wel to your self For who is more negligent about the Aultars and worthy to be punished therfore thē they that throwe downe Aultars Who neglect the sacrifices but yow that deny the sacrifice and the presence of Christ in the Sacramēt Who be those but you and your fellowes that cōuerte to the pleasures of thē selues and theires that which the faithful hath offred to Christ in laying out the Church goods vpō your self which should haue no parte to thē being become by your mariage a laye man and in the mainteyninge ād purchasing for your vnlawful wyues childrē Now who be they that prophane thē selues in brothel howses let the old constitutions of the Churche tel vs. A man would litle think that ye would euer haue pleaded so agaīst your own self But what can you bring I would fayne know that is not against you in so badde a cause M. Horne The .150 Diuision pag. 88. b. If you delight in antiquites saith he no man doth doubt but that in the primatiue Church the Princes did iudge both of the Ecclesiasticall persones and causes and did oftentimes make good Lawes for the trueth against falsehood Arcadius ād Honorius religious Princes doe .488 depose a troublesome Bisshop both from his Bishoprik sea and name The .13 first titles of the first booke of Iustiniās Code collected out of the Cōstitutiōs of diuers Emperours doe plainly intreate and iudge of those things which appertain to the Bishoply cure For what perteineth more to the office of a Bishop than Faith thē Baptism then the high Trinity than the conuersation of Mōkes the ordeining of Clergymen and Bishops and than many like lawes which doubtles doe concerne our Religiō ād Church But the Nouel Constitutions of themperour Iustinian are full of such Lavves And least peraduenture some man might suspect that this vvas tyranny or the oppression of the Churche Iohn the Pope doth salute this Emperor the most Clemēt Son learned in the Ecclesiastical disciplines and the most Christiā amōgest Princes Epist. inter claras De summa Trin. 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of Martian the Emperour for calling of the Chalcedon Councell nextly alleaged M. Horns purpose is no whit furdered but Pope Leo his primacy euidently proued By the Actes also of the sayd Councell the popes and the bishops Supreme Iurisdiction in al ecclesiastical matters to be treated examined iudged and defined throughe out the whole Councel appeareth and M. Hornes purpose remayneth vtterly vnproued I haue farder out of the sayd Chalcedon Councell being the fourthe Generall and so one of the foure allowed in our Countre by Acte of parliament in the reigne of the Queenes Mai. present gathered euident and sundry argumentes for proufe of the Popes and bishops Supremacy in causes ecclesiasticall And here I require M. Horne or any mans els whatsoeuer to shewe howe it is possible without manifeste contradiction to allowe the Authorytie of this fourthe Generall Councel and to bannishe the Popes Authorytie which this whole Councel agnised or to geue to the Prince Supreme Authorytie in al ecclesiastical causes the same by this Councel resting in the bishops only not in the Prince at all In hath consequently ben shewed against M. Horne that his exāples of Leo and Zeno Emperours haue proued nothing lesse then his imagined Supremacy His next examples of three popes Simplicius Felix .3 and Symachus haue al proued so manifest testimonies for their owne Supremacy euen out of the bookes and places by M. Horne alleaged that in this matter he semeth a plaine preuaricatour and one secretly defending the cause which he seemeth openly to impugne Nowe in Fraunce M. Horne your lucke hath bene no better then before in the East Church and in Italy it was Your arguments in this behalfe haue bene to to pelting and miserable But the bishops Iurisdiction in all those matters hath bene as euident Your story of Iustinus the elder nextly by you alleaged but confusedly and out of measure mangled being wholy layed forthe hath plainely proued the popes Supremacy and nothing at al the princes Iustinian your next exaample and largely by you prosecuted hath neuer a whit proued your matter but for the Popes absolute Supremacy hath diuerse waies pronounced not onelye in his behauyour in the fifte Generall Councell but in his Edictes and Constitutions which you for your selfe so thicke haue alleaged In that place also I haue noted by diuerse exāples what euil successe Churche matters haue had whē Princes most intermedled Ther also by the way a Councell in Fraunce by M. Horne alleaged hath openly pronounced for the popes vniuersall Supremacy Your last examples taken out of Spayne haue nothinge relieued your badde cause but haue geuen euidēt witnesse for the Bishops Supremacy in ecclesiastical causes And thus farre haue you waded in the first .600 yeres after Christe without any one prouf for your newe Laicall Supremacy But for the popes and Bishops Supremacy in matters of the Church the Cōtinual practise of that first age and that in al Countres hath clerely pronounced as hath bene at large shewed In the third book as the race your runne is the longer ād triple to that ye ranne in before so is our cause the strōger and yours the febler or rather the wretcheder that in the cōpasse of .900 yeres that of so many Emperors kings and princes of so many Coūcels both General and National of so diuerse parts of the Christened worlde al the East part Italy Fraunce Spayne Germany and our own Countre of Englād yea of the Moscouites Armeniās and Aethyopiās to of all these I say not one Prince Councel or Coūtre maketh for you and not one prince Councell or Countre maketh against vs but all haue agnised the popes primacy and not one in the worlde of so many hundred yeres haue agnised or so muche as hearde of muche lesse sworen vnto the Princes Supreme Gouuernement in all Ecclesiasticall causes Your first proufe belyeth flatly the See of Rome and proueth nothing by any doing of Phocas the Emperour the Supremacy that you woulde proue The Kinges of Spayne and the Toletane Councelles haue made nothinge for you but haue clerely confounded you not only in the principal matters in hande but also in diuers other matters by your lewde heresies denied Your patched proufes and swarming vntruthes in your next narratiō touching certain Popes of Rome and of the Churche of Rauēna haue discouered the miserable wekenesse of your badde cause and nothing relieued yowe the Popes Primacy by your owne examples notwithstanding established Your fonde surmise against the Decree of Constantin .5 Emperour for the prerogatiue of the See Apostolike as it nothing furdered your matter in hande yf it had not bene made so it shewed wel the misery of your cause that to make your paradoxe to beare some credit you were fayne to discredit al the Historiās and writers of that matter calling them Papistes the Popes Parasites and fayners of that which they wrote The practise of Ecclesiasticall gouernement vsed in the sixt general Councel next by you alleaged cōfirmeth both in word and dede the Popes Primacy and the Bisshops Supreme iurisdiction in matters Ecclesiasticall and geueth forth no maner inckling of your imagined Supremacy In which only matter beside twenty vntruthes by you vttered there about you are as much confounded as in any other Councell or Countre before notwithstanding your great obiection of Pope Honorius to the which I haue there sufficiently aunswered Your talke of the three Kings of Spayne next ensewing and of the three Toletane Councells kept in their reignes doth so litle disproue the Supreme iurisdiction of Bisshops in Ecclesiastical causes that it maketh them Supreme iudges euen in ciuil causes So wide you are euer from prouing your purpose The .7 General Councel by you shortly noted doth amply and abundantly confirme the Popes Primacy and nothing in the worlde helpeth your purpose Charles Martel ād Carolomanus his sonne exercised no whit of your imagined Supremacy but haue cōfessed both clerely the Popes Primacy by their doings euē in the matters by your self treated Your most ignorant and ridiculous exposition made of the keyes of S. Peters Confession sent to this Charles and your extreme fonde argument deducted thereof hath vtterly shamed you yf any shame be in you Your slaunderous reproches against S. Augustine our Apostle and S. Boniface the Apostle of Germany and holye Martyr haue redounded to your owne shame and follye your cause thereby nothing in the worlde furdered No yf yt had bene all true which you hadde reported of them Charlemayne for all his callinge of Councelles confirmynge of the same and publishinge of Churche Lawes practised not yet anye like Gouuernement in Ecclesiasticall causes as you haue defended no nor anye Gouuernement at all but was lead and gouerned him selfe in all suche thinges of the Fathers and Bisshoppes then liuing especiallye of the See of Rome The whole Order also of the Councelles by you alleaged
hath plainelye condemned the prophane maner of determinyng causes Ecclesiasticall nowe vsed by mere laye men at the warrant of suche as yowe are But for the Popes Primacye none more clere then this Charlemaine bothe in his doinges as in the cause of Pope Leo the .3 and in his sayinges as in the booke so much by you and your fellowes alleaged and in the decrees it appeareth Lewys the first sonne to this Charlemayne practised no parte of your Supremacye but the Popes at that tyme hadde as full vse thereof as any Popes before or fithens the confirmation of the Pope before elected and chosen notwithstandinge of the which matter in that place I haue aunswered you sufficientlye There also you haue Maister Horne out of the Notable Epistle of Nicolaus .1 to Michael the Emperour and by the practise of the .8 Generall Councell at large declared vnto you both the Popes Primacye in all Spirituall matters and the Emperour or Princes subiection in the same by the Confession of the Emperour himselfe Basilius of Constantinople present in that Councel Arnulphus his example hathe nothinge holpen yowe The bedroll of certaine euill Popes by yow browght in onelye declareth your malice to Gods Vicares and furdereth nothinge your badde cause Your surmise adioyned of the cause of the calamities at that tyme hathe argued your greate folye and ignorance of the stories except we shall say that malice made you blinde Otho the first shewed such obediēce to the See of Rome yea to the naughty Pope Iohn the .12 that he is no fit exāple for the like gouernement in Princes as you maintayne but for the like obedience to the See Apostolike as Catholike Princes and Emperours haue alwaies shewed you coulde not haue brought a more notable or excellent example ād that proued out of the Authours by your selfe alleaged Hugh Capet the Frenche King and Otho the .3 Emperour haue euen in the matters by your selfe treated bene proued obediēt and subiect to the See Apostolike without any colour of the like gouernement as you would fasten vpon them Your great matter of Henry the .4 and Pope Hildebrād hath concluded flatte against you with a great number of your lewde vntruthes in that behalfe discouered and confuted The Popes Primacy in no matter more abundantly and clerely proued The matter of inuesturing bishops your chief matter to proue the Princes Supremacy in al Ecclesiasticall causes in Henry .5 Lotharius and Conradus Emperours hath proued your purpose no deale at al namely Henry .5 resigning vp all such pretensed right to pope Calixtus the .2 But in al these matters how beastly you haue belyed the stories I haue I trust sufficiently declared Frederike Barbarossa speaketh no woorde for your barbarous paradoxe he obeyed no lesse then other Emperors the See of Rome yea and at the last submitted himselfe to the Pope whō before he persecuted not as true Pope but as he thought an intruded Pope He neuer made question whether he ought to obeye the See Apostolike or no but only he doubted who was the true elected Pope and tooke parte with the worste side The question nowe in our dayes is farre vnlike And so are your proufes M. Horne farre and extreme wide from the purpose in hande Nowe for matters of our owne Countre and for Ecclesiasticall gouernement practised therin you are so ouertaken as in no Countre more It hath well appered by that I haue at large sayd and proued that longe and many yeres before the Conqueste at which time you onely beginne your course as well in Brytannie before the Saxons coming as in England after of thē it was so called the Popes Primacy was clerely confessed and practised euen as it is at this day amonge the Catholikes euery where As for the gouernement of William the Conquerour of William Rufus his sonne and of kinge Henry the first it hath bene proued so farre vnlike to that which you pretende of right to appertayne to the Crowne of Englande yea to all princes whatsoeuer that the Popes Supreme gouernement in spirituall matters is by their examples yea euen by the testimony of your owne Authours so expressely proued and so strongely established that a man may well wonder what wytte honestie or discretion you had ones to touche the remembraunce of them for proufe of so badde a cause Your patched adiuncte of the kinges of Hungary hath appeared a greate vntruth on your part and nothing for your purpose except lies can proue your purpose That which foloweth of the Armenians and of the Aethyopians proueth also moste euidently the Popes Supremacy in those Countries but proueth no whit your singular paradoxicall primacy Verely so singular that in no one parte of the vniuersall worlde it can be founde The doinges of King Stephen and kinge Henry the .2 haue proued the popes Supremacy in our Coūtre but that kinde of Supremacy as you imagine they make no proufe of in the worlde The Martyrdome of S. Thomas by the way also is defended against your ād M. Foxes lewed lying about that matter Henry the .6 Philip and Otho the .4 Emperors of Rome haue bene no fitte examples for the like gouernement now in England and your sely argumentes in that behalfe haue bene to to childish and feble Your proufes of kinge Richard the firste and of kinge Iohn haue appeared mere ridiculous Onely by occasion therof the lewed lying of M. Foxe hath bene partly discouered touchinge kinge Iohn Your matters of Fraunce about that time haue proued the popes primacy not the Princes By the discourse of Friderike the .2 his doinges as your principall cause hath taken a great foyle so a mayne number of other your heresies by your own Authours and your owne Supreme head condemned haue geuē a great cracke to al your Religion beside The time of kinge Henry the .3 condemneth alltogether the primacy in your booke defended and pronounceth clerely for the Popes Supremacy by sundry and open practises as Appeales to Rome depositions of prelates by the pope makinge of Ecclesiasticall lawes by his Legate and such other And for your parte in that place you haue vttered your greate ignorance euen in the latin tongue At that time also S. Lewys the Frenche kinge agnised no lesse the popes primacy in Fraunce and therefore can be no fitte example of such Supreme gouernement as by Othe M. Feckenham is required to sweare vnto The like also appeareth by the state of Apulia and Sicilia in those dayes As for kinge Edwarde the firste kinge of England the Popes primacy in his time was so well agnised in the realm of England that euen in temporal matters his Authorytie tooke place Your fonde surmise of the Statute of Mortemayne hath exemplified your lewde lying and encreased the number of your maniefolde vntruthes It hath not exemplified your pretended primacy neither any thinge furdered you for proufe of your matter Philip le
but for the dead also And anon after speaking of the sacrifice of the Masse that you denie and shewing what excellencie in vertue the Bishope or priest ought to haue aboue other he saieth that he must in althings excel other for whō he maketh this intercessiō to God so far as it is mete that the ruler passe and exced the subiect For sayth he whē the priest hath called for the holy Ghost ād hath made the sacrifice which we ought most to reuerence and to tremble and feare at handling continually our common Lord I demaund among what states shal we place him How great integrity shal we loke for at his handes How great holines and deuotiō Cōsider what those hādes ought to be that shal minister such things Cōsider what tong he ought to haue that shal speak such words Cōsider finally that his soule ought to be of all other most pure ād holy that shal receiue so great ād so worthy a spirit At that time he meaneth of the cōsecratiō of the blessed sacrifice the angels are present with the priest and al the orders of the heauēly powers do make a shoute the place that is nigh to the alter is for the honor of him that is sacrificed replenished with the companies of angels Which a man may wel beleue by reason of so great a sacrifice as is then made Thus muche haue I shewed you M. Horne owt of that most learned light of the Greeke Church Ioannes Chrisostomus aswell to cause you to vnderstand your detestable heresie againste the priesthod of the newe testamente as that the priestes haue a dignity and a singular excellēt regimente aboue secular Princes They haue their spirituall sword that two edged sword I say that cutteth both bodie and soule and by excōmunication if the party repent not casteth both into the deape dongeon of hel And shall all this be counted no rule nor regiment M. Horne being in dede the cheif and the principal regimēt of al other It is yt is M. Horn the highest gouernmēt of al other and of greatest charge and importance And muche better may yt be said to this euāgelical pastour that was sayd to Agamēnon 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It is not mete for him all the night longe to slepe that hath so muche people and suche a charge to kepe Yea ye are forced your self M. Horn to cōfesse yt a spiritual gouernmēt and rule Wherby of necessity followeth the ouerturning and ouerthrowīg of your lay supremacie For these being the chief matters or things Ecclesiasticall as your selfe can not denie and the Prince hauing nothing to doe with them as you also confesse it can not be possible that the Prince should haue the Supremacy in al causes or things Ecclesiastical And so neither M. Fekenham nor any man els may take this othe for feare of euident and open periurie And of all madnes this is a madnes and a most open contradiction to remoue these things from the Prince as ye do and yet to attribute to him without anie exception the supremacy in al things or causes Ecclesiastical Yea and to vrge men by other to confesse the same Which kind of arguing is as wise as if a man woulde affirme God to be the maker of al things the geuer of all things the preseruer of al things and yet by and by to saye God can not geue the effect of grace to externall Sacramentes God can not preserue his owne blessed Mother from al actual or original sinne Whereof will followe that God in dede is not omnipotent or almightie those things being taken awaie from him wherein chieflie his almightie power consisteth For in such miraculous operations surmounting farre al power of men God most proprelie sheweth himselfe a God As in such actes and causes Ecclesiastical as binding and loosing preaching the worde ministring the Sacramēts c. consisteth specially and most proprely the rule and gouernement Ecclesiastical We nede not therfore wrastle with you herein any farther M. Horne seing you can so preatily geue your selfe a notable fall Yet one thing would I faine knowe more of you M. Horne if I may be so bolde and learne what you meane nowe at the length to come in with the supreme Authority and power of the sworde What meane you I say to define vnto vs the one kinde and sorte of gouerning the Churche of God in these wordes by the supreme Authoritie and power of the sword to guide care prouide direct and ayde Gods Church c In all your booke hitherto of such supreme Authoritie and power of the sworde you neuer spake worde Howe chaunceth it then the sworde commeth in nowe Doth the supreme gouernement of the Churche of God consiste in the power of the sworde Then howe was the Church of God gouerned .300 yeres and more before the time of Constantine the Emperour who was the very first as hath bene shewed that by the power of the sworde I saie by the power of the sworde guided cared prouided directed and aided Gods Churche Did the Churche of Christ want a Supreme gouernour all those .300 yeres and more Againe doe the Lawes of the Church take force by the power of the sword You with M. Nowell and with the Acte of Parliament do take away from the clergie the power and Authoritie to make Churche Lawes and Constitutions and you say and swere to that no Conuocation or Councel of Bishops shal or may haue force or Authoritie to decree any Cōstitution Ecclesiastical without the Princes consent licence and supreame authoritie For this purpose also you haue alleaged the practise of so many Coūcels both General and National to make proufe that by the supreame Authoritie of Emperours and Kings Canons and lawes of the Churche haue bene enacted and decreed not by the Bishops and Councels it selfe Wherin how shamefully you haue misreported the whole practise of the Churche I haue sufficiently shewed in the seconde and third Bookes But in all your so long processe you neuer yet openlie said that by the power of the sword suche Canons and Lawes tooke place And come you nowe to saye that all this proceded of the power of the sworde Where is then nowe become the libertie of the Ghospell that your graundsir Luther and all your protestant progenitors of Germany do in al their writings so much extolle maintaine and defende against the Secular swoorde of Ciuill Magistrates Againe you M. Horne that doe force the Scholers of Oxforde to sweare by booke Othe that Scripture onelye is sufficiente to conuince euerye trueth and to destroye all heresies you that will beleue nothing but that as plaine Scripture auoucheth vnto you tell vs I praye you where finde you in all Scripture that the Supreame Authoritie to gouerne the Churche of God is by the power of the swoorde What Did not the Apostles gouerne the Churche of Christe all the time of their abode here in earth And when
power and Authority out of Englande For yf euery foraine prelat be renounced is not all power and Authority of the Church which dependeth only of Prelates and Bisshops accompted also forayne and for very forayne renounced It is so It is so Maister Horne The Othe runneth largely and expressely You can not you may not you shal not God geuing vs his grace bleare our eyes with vayn talke or make vs to say we see not that which we see we heare we feele we vnderstande You sawe you sawe your self M. Horne that the woordes of the Othe being taken as they lie verbatim as you say they must did expressely renounce the Catholike Churche And therefore Marke wel gentle Reader You M. Horne thinking and labouring to remoue this opinion from the Reader for though you thinke in very dede that nor Churche nor prelat but only the expresse liuely worde of God muste be heard and obeyed yet yow dare not as yet for very shame to expresse that detestable minde of yours the lusty braue Chalenge of Maister Iewel offering to yeld to any one sentence or any one old doctor withdrawing you perhaps not a litle therfro do tel hiÌ„ that the Othe maketh no mention in any one worde of the Catholike Church but it speaketh say you of a forain Prince and Prelate c. Wherein to auoyde the manifest absurditye you flatly belye the Othe For the Othe speaketh not M. Horne of a forain Prince and Prelate c. But the Othe expressly saith of euery forain Prince and Prelat c. Now wheÌ„ it renouÌ„ceth the power of euery forain Prelat it renounceth the power of al Catholik Bishops without the realm of England which al are forain Prelats to the realm of England whereupon in dede M. Fekenham coÌ„cludeth not as it were by reuelation in a Monkishe dream without ryme or reason as that grosse head of yours most vilely rayleth against such a sobre and discrete prelate but with good reason and plaine euidence that therefore the Catholik Church is by Othe renouÌ„ced Not as though there were no difference betwene a foraine Prince or Prelat and the Catholike Church as you ful peuishly make Maister Fekenham to reason but bycause there is no difference betwene euery foraine Prelate as the Othe speaketh and the Catholike Churche Seing as I haue often said the Catholyk Church consisteth of euery forayn Prelate without the realme of EnglaÌ„d much more then of al the prelates within the realme of EnglaÌ„d Yea though euery foraine prelate without the realme of England may and haue in many General councells prescribed ouer al the bishoppes of England yet all the Bishoppes of England nether haue or may at any tyme prescribe ouer euery foraine Prelate without the realme of England This othe therfore excludeth plainely the Authority of the Catholike Church and fighteth directly against all good reason and order Now the definitioÌ„ or descriptioÌ„ of the catholik Church such as ye bring is much lyke to a shooe that serueth euery fote or to a Welshmans hose that serueth euery legge Simon Magus Marcion Hebion Manicheus Photinus Arrius Nestorius and al other sects that euer were will graunt to this your definition and wil therby challenge the Church to their sect only as ye do to yours But herein your synagoge resembleth the faulse and schismatical teÌ„ple that Onias made in Aegypte and Sanaballites in Samaria in the mount of Garizim wherof the ghospel of S. Iohn speaketh though yt doth not so expresly name it And though God had specially appointed the temple of HierusaleÌ„ to be his true and holy temple and would al sacrifices to be offred there yet the Samaritanes toke their temple to be the true and the only temple where God would be honored in And sayed that all offerings and sacrifices should be made ther and not at Hierusalem The Iewes sayth Iosephus when they had vnlawfully maried when they had transgressed and violated the Sabbot day or eaten meates or don other things contrary to the Lawe fearing punishment for the same would fly to the Samaritanes and to the false bishop there and complaine to him that they were wrongfully vexed at Hierusalem and so did ioyne with the sayd schismaticall factioÌ„ at the temple of Garizim And there was sayth Iosephus continuall strief and contention betwene the Iewes and the Samaritanes eche parte with much sturre and busines preferring and auauncing their owne temple yea the matter went so farre and the Samaritanes waxed so hotte and feruent at the length that they offered them selues to die in the quarrell and defence of theire hill and temple And this controuersy bursting out at AlexaÌ„dria into a sedition was tried by the common consent of both parties by the kinge Ptolomeus Philomitor Eche of them making this offer that that party shuld suffer death whose proufs shuld be founde defectyue and insufficiente the issewe of the whole contention was that the king pronounced and gaue sentence for the Iewes bicause they proued the continual succession of their bishops at Hierusalem from the beginning and that the kings of Asia had euer honored and with great rewardes enriched that temple as Gods true temple Whervppon the proctours of the Samaritanes were by the kinges commaundement put to death whome notwithstaÌ„ding the Samaritans toke for as blessed martyrs as M. Foxe taketh any of his ragged rablement in his new holy maâ—tyrologe This schismatical synagog is the very patern of your Church M. Horne Sentence hath bene geuen against your synagoge by many good and catholike kings by many general councells And yt is a most euident yea and a blasphemous lie against the Saints in heaueÌ„ to say as ye doe that al the Saints and faythful ChristiaÌ„s that be or hath bene are of your Church What so euer visour ye put vppon your Church when we ones come to the cheif poynte to knowe the Church by and by the which the temple of Hierusalem was iustified I meane the continuall succession without any interruptioÌ„ of bishops in the sea of Rome and in al other openly knowen to be catholik Churches maynteyning that faith that ye namely in this boke impugne then it wil easely appeare what your Church is and howe vnperfytte your definition is that lacketh one infallible marke whereby ye may sone disseuer the false from the true Church to wytte the knoweÌ„ succession of bishops from age to age in all places of the Christened worlde al which the worde Catholike importeth and the which therfore you haue omitted bicause you are not in dede of the Catholik Churche and bicause those markes of vniuersalyte of Antiquite and of a knowen succession doe vtterly wante in that you call your Churche Els if you haue those markes and we haue not procure I pray you M. Horne that some one of your brethern I prouoke them al in this matter doe answere if he can to the Fortresse of our first fayth by me set forth and annexed to the
Catholik good reader should haue brought a testimony out of this Author against M. Horne yt should haue ben with great contempte refused and reiected by and by But now seing M. Horne himself hath authorised him I trust he wil allowe him to be alleaged for our side also And then shall M. Horne take small coÌ„fort of any distinction to be found in him being one that auoucheth the popes supremacy as much as any man yea aboue al generall Councelles Yet M. Horne thinketh so to bewytche his reader as yt were with certayne magical incantations that he shoulde beleue this Anthony to be of his opinion We wil therfore for the better disclosing of M. Hornes iuggling gather so much out of Anthonius as we must necessarily do for the illustratioÌ„ of this matter This Anthonius diuideth as other scholemen doe al authority Ecclesiastical into the power of order and into the power of iurisdictioÌ„ The first power as he declareth doth reste in the interpreting of the sacred Scripture in the consecrating of the body and bloudde of Christ in ministring of Sacraments in geuing holy orders and beside other things in coupling of parsons together by mariage sacrameÌ„tally The power of iurisdictioÌ„ he defineth as M. Morn doth and doth diuide it into Cohibityue aÌ„d Not Cohibityue as M. Horn doth But for the residewe M. Horn plaieth the Medea as he did before with Quintinê° And besides maketh such expositions as neither his authour hath nor otherwise are true And as skilful a Logician as he pretendeth him self he neither followeth the order of his author nor yet the true order and trade of the rules of Logik that is first to define and theÌ„ to diuide But peruerteth and confoundeth aswel the order as the truth of al things Wel we wil walke also a litle disorderly to trace M. Horn in his own steppes The iurisdistion not cohibityue saith M. Horn is that iurisdiction or power that is exercised and worketh in the inward and secrete court of conscieÌ„ce that is the preaching of the Ghospel ministratioÌ„ of the Sacraments and the absoluing or reteyning of syns by the word of God in the publique ministery This sayth M. Horn but not his authour who referreth to the not cohibityue Iurisdiction only absolutioÌ„ in the secret Court of conscience Who saith also that preaching and expounding of holy scripture with the ministratioÌ„ of sacraments is no part of iurisdictioÌ„ ecclesiastical but beloÌ„geth to the keies of order Neither doth your authour call preaching and ministring of Sacramens the secret cowrt of conscience nor he caÌ„ iustly do it being a thing openly done sene and hearde but he so calleth priuate confession only because it is done priuatly and secretly betwene the party and the confessor And this no man doth vnwillingly for though a man may by commaundement of his bishop be allotted to a certayne parish and curate yet vnlesse he do submitte him self to his parrochial priest and open vnto him his synnes he can neuer be losed by him To confesse the which priuy and secrete faults he can not be forced but by his owne conscience And vnlesse he coÌ„fesse theÌ„ he can not be absolued To this coÌ„fession then it appertayneth that is sayd no maÌ„ is bownd or losed vnwillingly which you for the teÌ„der loue ye beare to priuat confession do altogether dissemble and not to preaching or ministring of SacrameÌ„ts as ye seeme to say Which preaching and ministring of Sacraments doe not appertayne to the not cohibityue iurisdiction as absolutioÌ„ doth but to the power or kaye of order which properly to speak is no IurisdictioÌ„ at al. The which as M. Horn doth confound so doth he imagine of his owne fantasticall braine that the iurisdiction cohibitiue hath two parts the one standing in excommunicatioÌ„ belonging neither to king nor bishoppe but to such as haue commission from the Church the other in hearing of causes in the external and publyke cowrte All this is but an heape of follies and lies For first his Authour doth not so diuide cohibityue iurisdiction as yt doth euidently appeare in hym and we shall anon more plainly open it Againe is not excommunication geuen and pronounced in publike and external cowrt vppon the hearing of causes there Why do ye then seuer and dismember excommunication from the hearing of causes ecclesiastical Now that excommunication should neither properly apperteine to the prince nor to bishops but to the whole Church and congregation is a fonde folish and frantyk imagination of M. Horne as euen also his Author Antonius in this very booke largely proueth And as it is not farre from heresy so perchaunce it is not farre from a premunire What meane you Maister Horne by this Churche The whole Churche can not assemble together And if you meane a generall councell whiche in dede representeth the whole Churche when shall we haue any man excommunicated For of suche councells very fewe syth the ChristiaÌ„ fayth was first receaued haue bene assembled And yet as fewe as they are diuerse of them haue alredy excoÌ„municated such heresies as ye mainteyn Yf ye meane of the particular Church where the party shall be denounced excommunicate then must we haue both men womeÌ„ and children solemply summoned to assemble when any excommunication is made For they be aswel parts of the Church as the wisest and the eldest parson of the parrishe And as euery part of your answere in this point imployeth a great folly so the greatest of all is to see yowe after this sort to handle your matters that ye haue now by this your wise reason frustrated and made voyde al the excommunications that haue bene made any day this .8 yeares and more either by your selfe yowre officers or by the arches or any other Ecclesiasticall cowrte in Englande And nowe may the poore honeste and catholyke woman of Winchester that vppon false excommunication if your owne doctrine be true hath bene kepte so many yeares in the Marshalsea goe home and serue yowe with a write vppon an action of false inprisonment either else shewe vs good M. Horne your commission to excommunicate that you haue receiued from the Church or congregation Commission ye haue none from the Quenes highnes for as you say she hath no such power her self from the congregation you haue none from the which two you deriue all cohibityue iurisdiction and from the Pope ye neither haue nor wil haue any From whence fetche ye then your cohibityue iurisdiction to excommunicate Now as I sayd take ye hede leaste to your greate folly be annexed also a daungerouse premunire As for M. Fekenham if he deny this and other Ecclesiastical iurisdiction to depende vppon the prince onely he doth constantly and agreably to him self and to a catholike maÌ„ but you neither agree with the catholik nor with your statute Law nor with your owne self The catholiks say that this iurisdictioÌ„ cometh not originally from the prince but being in the
of the lay the bishops and the whole Conuocation withstanding that gifte with al their power I beleue it would trouble him or any wise man els to geue any good reason therefore the obedieÌ„ce of a ChristeÌ„ maÌ„ to the Catholike Church which al Christians in their Crede doe professe presupposed If I should farder aske M. Horn again how he caÌ„ goe for a bishop and write him selfe as he dothe in his booke the B. of Winchester being called to that functioÌ„ only by the letters patents of the Prince without due CoÌ„secration or imposition of handes by any Bishop or bisshops liuing which impositioÌ„ of haÌ„des S. Paule euideÌ„tly practised vpoÌ„ Timothe aÌ„d the vniuersal Church hath alwaies vsed as the only aÌ„d proper meanes to order a bishop of the Churche I am wel assured neither he nor al his fellowes being all vnordered prelats shall euer be able to make any sufficient or reasonable answer answering as ChristiaÌ„ Catholike meÌ„ whereby it may appeare that they may goe for right bishops of Christes Church but that thei must remain as they were before or mere lay men or simple priestes Last of al take you yourself in dede M. Horn for a bishop If so theÌ„ may you preache the word minister the sacrameÌ„ts bind aÌ„d lose vpoÌ„ the coÌ„missioÌ„ geueÌ„ you by God in holy scripture without any furder coÌ„missioÌ„ of the prince If you may so do theÌ„ put the case the Q. Mai. that now is or any other king or Queene of England hereafter should forbid you to preach the word to minister the sacraments or to execute any other part of the bishoply functioÌ„ â–ª and by coÌ„mmissioÌ„ appoint some other to that functioÌ„ Wil you obey or wil you not If yea theÌ„ do you forsake your duty and charge coÌ„mitted vnto you by God If not theÌ„ by vertue of this Act you incurre the penalty therof To this questioÌ„ answer M. Horn if you be able and make if you caÌ„ Christs coÌ„missioÌ„ the holy Scriptures and this Act to agree both together that the keping of the one import not the breach of thother But this shal you neuer be able to do while you liue staÌ„ding to that which in this your booke you haue coÌ„fessed Thus you see euery way how in your own sayings you are intrapped ouertakeÌ„ and coÌ„founded And so must it nedes fal out with euery maÌ„ that with any truth or ê“bability laboreth to maintain an vntruth or absurdity As for your forged and presuÌ„ptuous limitatioÌ„ vpoÌ„ the words of th' Act and abridgiÌ„g of the Q. Ma. autoriti therin expressed I leaue that mater furder to be coÌ„sidered by the graue wisdom of the most Honorables Here remain yet some vntruthes by you auouched that would be coÌ„futed which because the answer alredy waxeth prolixe and long I wil but touch The holy Gospel saith whose syns ye retain shal be retained whose syns ye lose in earth their syns shal be loosed in heaueÌ„ CoÌ„trary to the plaine words of the gospel you wil haue no actual bindiÌ„g or losing by the priest in dede but a declaratioÌ„ aÌ„d an assuraÌ„ce that they are losed or bouÌ„d coÌ„trary I say not only to the words of the gospel but also to the doctrin aÌ„d practise of the vniuersal Church wher the priest hath euer said to the peniteÌ„t Ego absoluote c. I absolue thee aÌ„d saieth not I declare and assure thee that thou art absolued This is a plaine heresy not much vnlike to the NouatiaÌ„s whoÌ„ S. Ambrose coÌ„futeth sauing that their heresy is not so large as is yours For they but in certain crimes denied power of losing in the church referring that power in such cases oÌ„ly to God You deny to be in the church any power at al either of binding or of losing referring al the power to God only aÌ„d not coÌ„sidering how God is to be praised qui taleÌ„ potestateÌ„ dedit hoiÌ„b Who gaue such power to men Which the coÌ„mon Iewes had yet the grace to coÌ„sider in the high Bishop aÌ„d chief priest Christ Iesus our Sauiour An other of your hereticall vntruthes in this place also is that you denie the sacramente of confirmation and that the holie ghoste is not geuen by the imposition of the Bisshoppes hands We reade in S Luke that Christe at his ascension promised the holy ghost to them which was performed vppon whitsonday And what was that but their confirmationÌ„ We reade that S. Paule after he had baptized certain parsons in the which baptisme no doubte they receiued the holy ghoste he put his handes vppon them and they thereby receiued the holy ghoste And this was their confirmation The like is writen in the place here by M. Fekenham alleaged of the Apostles Peter and Iohn that put theire handes vppon those that before were baptized by Philip the Deacon and they thervppon receiued the holy ghoste The which did in the primitiue Churche worke in the Christians with inuisible grace and visible miracles at the time of their confirmatioÌ„ as yt now worketh by inuisible grace onely with a strengthening and confirming of the ghostly and spiritual giftes before receiued wherof the Sacrament hath his name And therfore the Bishoppes coÌ„mission for geuing by the imposition of theire handes the holy ghoste may be iustified aswell by the former authorities of scripture as by the authority practise and doctrine of the Churche that belieueth that the holy ghoste is geueÌ„ for the encrease of al spiritual strength in confirmation The .164 Diuision pag. 109. a. M. Fekenham Wherevnto I do adioyne this obiectioÌ„ following First for the time of the old lawe whiche as Paule saide was a very figure of the new Moses Aaron Eleazarus being Priests they had by the very expresse worde of God this iurisdiction ouer the people of God as to sit in iudgement vpon them and that not only in Ecclesiasticall but also in Politike and ciuill matters and causes they did visite them they did refourme them they did order correct aÌ„d punish them so oft as cause required and without al commission of any ciuill Magistrate Gouernour Kinge or Prince Besides that for the whole time of the olde Lawe there was an expresse Law made where by all Ciuill Magistrats and Iudges were coÌ„maunded in al doubtfull matters to repaire to the Bisshops and Priests and to staie vppon their determinations and iudgemeÌ„ts without declining on the righte hande or the lefte And if that any maÌ„ should disobey the determinatioÌ„ once geuen of the Priest Morietur homo ille like as it appeareth Deut. 17. M. Horne This adiuÌ„ct vvil not serue your turn for it is not possible to stretch it vvithout bursting to ioyn with that you must conclude You begin to ioyne your vvorke together vvith a saying of S. Paule vvhich he .587 neuer said you should haue noted the place vvhere S. Paul saith that the old Lavv vvas a very figure of the nevv There is no such
appeareth also most euidently in Eusebius writing of this Constantine in this sort Quae ab Episcopis in publicis conuentibus editae erant regulae sua consignabat confirmabat authoritate He signed and confirmed with his Authoritie suche Canons or rules as the Bisshoppes in their assemblies had decreed But how As though without his royall assente the Canons shoulde haue beene voide and of no Authoritie as you woulde make folke beleue No but as the same Eusebius writeth in the same place Ne reliquarum gentiuÌ„ principibus liceret quae ab eis decreta essent abrogate to the intent that it should not be lawful for Princes of other Nations to abrogate or refuse the Bishops Decrees And the reason he addeth immediatly Cuiusuis enim Iudicis sententiae SacerdotuÌ„ Dei IudiciuÌ„ anteponenduÌ„ esse For the Emperour estemed that the iudgemeÌ„t and determination of the Priests of God was to be preferred before the Sentence of any other what so euer Iudge This man therefore M. Horn to tel you it ones again can be no fitte exaÌ„ple of the like gouernment now by you mainteined in the Quenes highnes person and al other the inheritours of the Realme of England Now as Constantine did set the Clergie at their liberty whether they would answere in any secular court So the noble Emperour Theodosius set as wel al the Laitie as the Clergie at the like libertie and ordeined that the plaintife in any cause any time before the sentence might breake of from his ordinary Iudge and bring the matter whether the defendaÌ„t would or no to the Episcopal audience The which ordinaunce the Great Charles aboute .400 yeares after renewed to be inuiolably obserued of all his subiectes as wel the Romaines and the Frenchemen as the Almanes the Bauarians the Saxons the TuringiaÌ„s the Frisons the Galles the Britanes the Lombards the Gascons the Beneuentanes the Gothes and the Spaniards As ye do with Constantinus Magnus so doe ye with Theodosius Magnus and with Carolus Magnus constitutions bringing them forth out of your blind Cacus denne to dasel and bleare the Readers withal as though the Bishops helde their ordinarie iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall by these decrees onely which do nothing thervnto appertaine but shew a marueilouse priuilege geuen to them to heare and determine also all teÌ„porall matters brought before theÌ„ And if these graunts wer afterward abrogated yet was that no abrogatioÌ„ to the iurisdictioÌ„ that is proprely the ecclesiastical iurisdictioÌ„ and your author doth not say that such grauÌ„ts were afterwards abrogated but doth reason against them that saide they were abrogated Neither is his booke entituled De origine iurisdictionuÌ„ but de iurisdictione Ecclesiastica And was this Petrus Bertrandus then as you say a Bisshop a Cardinal and one of our best learned men in the Canon and Ciuil Lawes Suerly then may your Petrus Cugneâ—ius thoughe ye auaÌ„ce him as a worthy knight go hide his head in a corner For againste him and his folishe fonde arguing againste the ecclesiastical liberty is all his booke writen as I haue before declared Wherfore all this your tale that the bishops held their iurisdiction ouer theire clergy by Constantine his ghifte is as true as your other adiuncte that he gaue the Bishops of Rome power and authority ouer other Bishoppes and ouer al churches He might well as he did in dede reuerently agnise and by his Imperial authoritie confirme and corroborate the vsual authoritie of the Popes holines but that the original of this authority as ye imagine came froÌ„ him ys a great vntruth For euen before his time and after not onely the Christians but the verie infidelles suche as were acquainted with the maners and fashions of the Christians did wel knowe that the Bishop of Rome was counted the cheif bishop amonge them al. And for this cause Ammianus Marcellinê° an heathnish cronicler writeth that though Athanasius the good bishop were by a councell of Arrian bishoppes condemned yet that notwithstanding ConstaÌ„tius sonne to this Constantinus and an Arrian and his plain open enemie was ernestlie in hande with Pope Liberius also to confirme their sentence and was by him banished because he would not condescende to theÌ„perours request Againe before the time of this Constantinus Paulus Samosatenus bishop of Antiochia being depriued by a councell of bishoppes and an other appointed by the sayde councel in his stede kepte stil possession nothing regarding either the sentence of depriuation or of excommunication The Emperour Aurelianus being certified of this matter gaue commaundement that he whome so euer the bishoppe of Rome with the bishops of Italie should acknowledge for the bishop of Antiochia should be taken and accepted for the true bishop And so was Paulus by this Emperours coÌ„maundement though he were a very infidell thruste out and an other set in What proufe haue ye now M. Horne that the Pope hath his authoritie from Constantine Surely Gentle Reader none other but the Donation of Constantine whiche he him selfe doth not beleeue to be true and therefore dothe qualifie it with these woordes if it be not forged Whiche being so why doeth your wisedome then M. Horne alleage it Neither wil I here though Leo the 9. doth constantly testifie that he sawe and had him selfe the originall of this donation laide by ConstaÌ„tinus owne hand vpon the bodie of S. Peter though Eugubinus answereth to all Laurence Valla his obiections againste this donation yea though Balsamon a Grecian and an open ennemie to the Pope alleageth this Donation as authentical I wil not yet I say resolue any thing for the one or the other side I will take it as I find it and take you withall as I find you and that is a plaine open lyar For howsoeuer the Donation be the Pope toke not his Supremacy of this Donation but had it before of an higher Emperour and that is of Christe him selfe Whiche the foresaid donatioÌ„ doth also openly testify but not in the .86 as ye falsly quote it but in the .96 distinctioÌ„ M. Fekenham The .166 Diuision Pag. 111. a. At the first Councel holden at Hierusalem for the reformation of the controuersy that was than at Antioche touching Circumcision and the obseruation of Moses Lawe decree was made there by the Apostles and Priestes vnto the beleuers at Antioche that they should absteine from these fowre chiefe and necessary thinges viz. ab immolatis simulachrorum à sanguine suffocato à fornicatione à quib custodieÌ„tes vos bene agetis The whiche first councell was there assembled by the Apostles of Christ. The Decrees and Lawes were made there by theÌ„ The coÌ„trouersy at Antioche was by them reformed ordered and corrected without all commission of any temporal Magistrate King or Prince M. Horne God be thanked that S. Luke maketh to vs a sufficient report of this councell vvho maketh no mention of any .598 Priest there present as you vntruely report onles
pray deuoutly chieflie directing his eies and mind to the place wherein the honourable sacramēt of Christes Body is hiddē and kepte The matters of the Canō Lavve visitatiō are in parte these The visitour ought to view diligētly whether the place wher the Sacramēt is kept be cleane wel garnished and close for the Eucharist and the holy Chrysme ought to be kept shut vnder locke and key He must see that there be great lightes of waxe to geue light in that place Thē must he visit the place of the holy reliquies ād of Baptisme And search diligētly what māner of place it is ād whēther it be kepte shut Besides this he muste visit the Aultars and litle Chappelles and must with his eies viewe the whole Church whether it be cleāly and cleane Thē he must visit the vesselles and Churche vestymentes whether they be cleane and kepte in a cleane place as they ought to be and whether the vestimētes be ouermuche worne and brokē and in case the visitour shal finde suche vestimētes vncleane rēte and cōsumed with occupying he muste burne thē in the fire and cause the ashes to be buried in some place whereby ther is no passage But in any wise let him not suffer saith Socius purses or such like thinges to worldly vse to be made of the copes or tunicles Last of al let him suruey the houses and possessions belonging to the Churche The Bishop dooth visit also to bisshop enfantes and to cōsecrate or hallow Churches The visitour also shall enquire and examine whether any mā knowe or beleeue or that the fame is that the Sexten the Treasurer or the Vesture keeper hath well and saufly kepte the vessels vestimentes and other thinges or ornamentes of the Churche as Masse bookes Grayles Antiphoners Legendes and other thinges appointed to diuine Seruice and whether any thing moueable or vnmoueable be diminished and by whome wherefore whan and after what sorte whether they be diligently present at the Dirigees for the dead And whether the vesture keeper or Sexten keepe warelie and cleanly the Churche the Eucharist the Reliques the Fount the Churchyardes and suche other things And he shal examine the Priestes in the countrie in saying of their Masses But lette euerye Visitour vnderstande saith mine Authour that same the greatest question or controuersie which was betwixt three rurall Personnes or Priestes vvherof tvvo of them stroue about the vvoordes of Consecration the one affirming that the vvordes are to be pronounced thus Hoc est corpus meus the other Hoc est corpus I thinke he should haue said corpum meum These tvvo chose a thirde Prieste vvho vvas taken to be better learned to be arbitour and to decide this high question vvhose ansvvere vvas that he him selfe stoode euer doubtfull in this question and therfore in steede of these vvordes of consecration did alvvaies vse to saye one Pater noster Furthermore the Visitour must enquire vvhether the laity make their confession once in the yeare and receiue the Euchariste at Easter And vvhether they be slovve or denie to paie their tythes and fruites The Archebisshoppe must in visiting any of his Suffraganes exactly enquire and examine the Canons and Clerkes of the Cathedrall Churche vvhether they knovv beleue or that the fame is that the Bisshop hath couered or borne vvith some mens faultes for money or other temporall commoditie Can you finde in the Scriptures any one of these Visitours or anie one of these vveightie matters enquired of by Peter Iohn Paule Sylas Barnabas or by any of the Apostles in their Visitations vvhich vvere Scripturely visitations No surely it is not possible For these Idolatrous .607 vanities are manifestlie repugnaunt to the Holie Scriptures Amongest all the rable of these Canon Lavve visitours ye can not finde in the Scriptures not so muche as the bare Title of .608 one of them onelesse it be of a Bisshoppe vvhiche name applied to the man as the Scriptures describeth the man that is called to that office can no .609 more agree vvith a Cannon Lavve Bisshoppe then vvith the Ciuill Lavve Bisshoppe vvhose office vvas as it is sette foorthe in the Digestes to haue the rule and ouersighte of all maner of victualles in the Citties as it vvere the chiefe Clerke of the markets As the matter of the Apostles visitations standeth directly .610 against the greatest parte of the matter vvhereabout your Popish or Canon Lavve visitation is exercised Euen so the holy Scripture that you auouche for the geuing of the holie Ghoste maketh .611 nothing at all to proue your purpose For Saint Luke in that place speaketh .612 not of an ordinarie povver that shoulde remaine in the ministers of the Churche for euer but of a speciall gifte to vvorke miracles and to geue that povver to others vvhiche shoulde continue but for the time vvhiles Christes Churche vvas to be erected and the vvoord to be sounded through the vvorlde And therefore Chrysostome saieth That this gift pertained onely to the Apostles For saieth he the Conuertes in Samaria had receiued before Peter and Iohn came the spirit of Remission of Sinnes But the spirite of Myracles that is the gift of tongues healing propheciing and suche like vvhich are the giftes of the holie Ghoste and therefore are called the Holie Ghoste they had not as yet receiued There vvere many that by the povver of Goddes Spirite coulde vvorke miracles but to geaue this povver to others none coulde doe but the Apostles For that vvas propre and onelye in them Marke novve the sequele of your allegation for proufe of your purpose Thus .613 you argue the Apostles gaue by the imposition of their handes to the Samaritanes the giftes of Healing Prophecying of Tongues c. Therefore euerye Bisshop and Priest hath povver to geue the same gifts to their flocks and cures There vvas neuer none so blind or so ignorantly brought vp in your cures belonging to the Abbey of VVestminster but that did vvel perceiue that neither your Bisshops Abbottes or Priests had or could doe any such feate They like Apes imitated the outvvarde signe or ceremonie but the invvard grace they vvanted Stapleton In this parte M. Fekenham prosequuteth his proufe out of the newe Testamente alleaging for his purpose manye places thereof As of Peter and Iohn that went into Samaria to visite the Christians there to confirme them in fayth and to geue them the holy Ghoste by the imposition of their hands Of Paulus and Barnabas that visited many contries commaunding the Christians there to kepe the commaundements of the Apostles and priests with certaine orders and lawes made by S. Paule But al this M. Horn thinketh may be wiped away with one general answer of an insufficiēt consequēcy for that the Apostles did and could do many things that bishops and priests neither may nor can doe nowe I wil not striue with you M. Horne what the Apostles did in other thinges but yf they practised any
serue the parish Churches your selfe For a greate parte yea and a notable number of your ministers can not reade Latin And therfore M. Nowell beinge in his last booke against M. Dorman in the same vayne that you here are M. Horn and sett in a pelting chafe with an inuincible place out of S. Ambrose ruffling in his lusty rhetorike against poore Sir Iohns as you do here durst not yet to cal theÌ„ Sir Iohn lacke latins but ful prouidently called theÌ„ Sir Iohn lacke lerning Bicause forsothe he sawe full wel that his felowe Ministres were Sir Iohn lacke latins as well as poore priestes Mary yet perhaps in his conceyt they lacked not lerninge bicause they can reade in the English bible Therefore he thought it the surest to call ignorant priestes Sir Iohn lacke lerninge not Sir Iohn lacke latins This point of wisedome you may M. Horne lerne hereafter of M. Nowel to saue the honesty of your Sir Iohn lacke latins swarming nowe as thicke in England as euer they did before Yea such preachers fyll the most parte of your pulpittes and the eares and hearts of the people with much heresie and setteth them at a lewde licentiouse liberty to speake what they will and do what they liste And here it commeth to my mind that was credibly tolde me touching one of theis your ministring preachers that not many yeares sythens came to a parish within the Diocesse of Winchester to preach And being demaunded his Licence did exhibite it but beinge required before the people to reade yt could not whervppon the people fell into such a lawghter that our preacher had no great luste to shewe his cunning there but full slily shronke away from them and stole away with his clerkly sermon that he thought to haue made there And wherein I pray you resteth a greate parte of your newe clergy but in butchers Cookes Catchpoules and Coblers Diers and Dawbers fellons carrying their marke in theire hande in steade of a shauen crowne fissher men gunners harpers Innekepers Merchauntes and Mariners Netmakers potters potycaries and porters of Belinsgate pynners pedlers ruffling ruffins sadlers sheermen and shepherds tanners tilers tinckers trumpeters weauers whery men caet Demaunde of theis fresh clerks M. Horn at your next visitation whether it must be read corpus meum or corpus meus And see whether any of them can resolue his felowes better then the priest you speake of did that being him self doutful vsed as you say his Pater noster in stede of the words of consecration Wil they not trowe you make answer as a Minister in M. Iewels dyocese did who in a visitatioÌ„ being apposed for trial of his latin toÌ„gue what case was Decenâ—er answered that he thanked God highly that he had neuer learned that Romish aÌ„d Papisticall latin tongue But what Latin shal a maÌ„ loke for at such meÌ„s hands yea or what honesty either To describe the dissolut and naughty viciouse lyfe of your ministers would fill vp a booke of a good quaÌ„tity aÌ„d the hearers eares with to much lothsomnes I coulde here rippe vppe a number of detestable partes and some of them playde in your pretensed Diocese especially of William Webbe the trumpetour and minister of Otterborne nighe to Winchester who hauing a Ghospelling yokemate of his owne tawghte a yonge mayden in the Churche to singe the holy Geneuical psalmes and as he corrupted her sowle with wicked heresy so he defyled her body with suche lewde lechery that he was faine to flee the parish for shame And yet as I here say he is become at London an holy minister againe I wil forbeare to lade your honest eares good reader with any moe such dishonest and sluttish stories wherof we haue the more pity to much plenty Theis aÌ„d such like are the wicked king Hieroboams ministers the which falling from the true Church of Hierusalem into idolatry as you and your fellowes are fallen into heresy which is also in scripture called idolatrie made the lowest of the people and such as were not of the tribe of Leuie peculiarlie and onelye by God appointed his priests Was not I beseache yow M. Horne the disorder of theis and other both in theire lyuinge and preaching suche that the Quenes Maiesty of her graciouse goodnes caused a number of Licences geuen them to preach to be called in againe For all that ye haue so ofte visited get yow out ones agayne in visitation M. Horne and amend your owne people and your owne selfe principallie accordinge to the rules of the holy scripture and then call your visitation a scripturely visitation and the other among the Catholyks nothing but a forinsecall and a canonicall visitation Suerly yt is a meruelouse Ghospell that ye haue of late broched which besides moste detestable heresies importeth such a breach and dissolution of all honest and vertuouse lyuing that your owne Apostle Luther was fayne to call vppon the Duke of Saxony to make visitation vppon visitation for reformation And fayne to crye out that his newe Ghospellinge children were worse then euer they were vnder the pope yea tenne tymes worse then the Sodomites Therefore talke as holily as ye will of your scripturely visitations the truthe ys they are as dyrecte contrary to scripture as darcknes ys to lighte and they are the very nurseries of all heresyes and licentiouse lyuing And shortly but withall truely to conclude how scripturely they are I say ye caÌ„ no better iustify your visitations and other your doings by scripture theÌ„ the deuil him self could iustifie his allegation bringing forth scripture not to the poore simple and vnlettered people as you doe but to Christ him self willing him to cast him self down froÌ„ the pinacle of the teÌ„ple with scriptum est enim for it is writen sayth the deuill And what is the scope of all your doynges and preachinges to the people but mitte te deorsum Cast thy self headlong downe from the highe towre of the lyghtsome catholyke fayth into the lowe darke Dongeon of all deuelishe heresie From the highe mounte of a vertuouse and an austere lyfe in to the lowe vale of all licentiouse and dissolute behauiour What is all your preaching but downe downe downe with holy bread holy water with all the holy ceremonies in baptisme and in the other sacramentes with fastinge with nighte prayer with all prayer to be made for owre fathers or frendes sowles or to the blessed Virgin Mary and to all other Hallowes with al Aulters with masse yea and with the blessed body of Christ in the Sacramente which hath bene moste vilanously defiled not onely by blasphemous bokes and sermons but most wickedly taken from the aulter and moste horribly yea and that in our most famouse Vniuersity conculced with the wicked feete of one of your Ghospellinge preachers And by what warrant ye may sette forth in your so scripturely visitations this your hereticall doctrine against the reall
Reader and to make him beleue that Antonius was your Author herein It is not then M. Fekēham but your Maister Ihon Caluin and your self also that condēne al the holy bishops yea S. Paule and the other Apostles to which exercised this iurisdictiō and al other iurisdiction in ecclesiastical matters without any warrant frō the Prince or the Church Namely the blessed bishop S. Ambrose for excommunicating of Theodosius And so al your false accusations wherwith ye charge M. Fekēhā redoūd truly vpō yourself Wher you say that Caluins Latin was to fine for M. Fekenhams grosse vnderstāding what a sine Latin mā your self are I referre the Reader to this your owne booke and to your articles lately set forth at Oxford The places I haue before specified and therfore nedelesse here to be recited againe M. Horne The .173 Diuision pag. 120 b. And againe Iohn Caluin vvriting vpō Amos the Prophet is by you alleged to .653 as litle purpose For be it that thei vvhich attributed to King Hēry of famous memorie so much authoritie vvhich greeued Caluin vvere mē not vvel aduised in so doing and that thei vvere blasphemous that called him the supreme head of the church ye knovv vvho they vvere that first gaue to him that title and authority yet your .654 cōclusiō follovveth not herof Therefore Bishops and priests haue authority to make lavves orders ā◠decrees c. to their flockes and cures no more thā of his former saying Christ gaue to his Church this authoritie to excōmunicat to bind and to lovvse Therfore Bishops and Priestes maie make lavves orders and decrees to theyr flockes and cures Stapleton Caluin saith in plain words It is blasphemy to cal the Prīce of Englād supreme head of the Church He saith also They that so much extolled King Henry at the beginning soothely they wanted dew cōsideratiō This is your second and better Apostle M. Horn that hath brought your first Apostle Luther almost out of conceyte This is he M. Horn whose bookes the sacramentaries esteme as the second ghospel This is he M. Horne that beareth such a sway in your congregation and conuocation now that ye direct al your procedings by his Geneuical instructions and examples This is he whose institutions against Christ and the true diuine religion are in such price with you that there be few of your protestāte fellowe Bisshops that wil admit any man to any cure that hath not reade them or wil not promise to reade them The Catholiks deny your new supremacy the Lutherans also deny it Caluin calleth it blasphemous Howe can then any Catholike man persuade his conscience to take this othe And what say you now at length to this authority M. Horne Mary saith he I say that though it be true yet it will no more followe thereof that Bishops may make lawes orders and decrees then of his former saying that Christ gaue to the Churche authority to excommunicate to binde and to lose In dede ye say truthe for the one it is but a slender argumente The Ciuil Magistrate is heade of the Churche Ergo Bisshoppes may make Lawes and Maister Fekenham was neuer yet so yll aduised and so ouersene as to frame such madde argumentes This argumente cometh fresh and newe hammered out of your owne forge But for the other parte if a man woulde reason thus Bishoppes haue power to binde and to loose Ergo they haue power to make lawes orders and decrees c. he should not reason amisse seing that by the iudgement of the learned vnder the power of binding and loosing the power of making lawes is contayned Which also very reason forceth For who haue more skill to make lawes and orders for directing of mens consciences then such whose whole study and office consisteth in instructing and refourming mens consciences But Maister Fekenham doth not reason so but thus It is blasphemy to call the Prince heade of the Church Ergo Maister Fekenham can not with saufe conscience take the othe of the supremacy and that the Prince is the supreme head Againe the Prince hath no authority or iurisdiction to binde or lose or to excommunicate Ergo M. Fekenham can not be persuaded to swere to that statute that annexeth and vniteth al iurisdiction to the Prince and to swere that the Prince is supreme gouernour in all causes Ecclesiastical These be no childish matters M. Horne Leaue of this your fonde and childishe dealings and make vs a directe answere to the arguments as M. Fekenham proposeth them to you and soyle them well and sufficiently and then finde faulte with him yf ye wil for refusing the othe But then am I sure ye wil not be ouer hastie vpon him but wyll geue him a breathing tyme for this seuē yeres at the least and for your life to For as long as your name is Robert Horne ye shall neuer be able to soyle them Neither thinke you that in matters of suche importance wise men and such as haue the feare of God before their eies wil be carried away from the Catholike faith with such kind of aunsweres The words of Iohn Caluin be manifest and cā not be auoided He saith Erāt blasphemi cū vocarēt ipsum Sūmū caput Ecclesiae sub Christo. They were blasphemous whē they called him he meaneth kinge Henry .8 the Supreme head of the Church vnder Christ. And who were those that Caluin calleth here blasphemous You would M. Horne your Reader should thinke that he meaned the Papistes for you referre that matter to M. Fekenhams knowledge saying to him You knowe who they were caet as though they were of M. Fekenhams friendes that is to say Catholikes as he by Gods grace is And so ful wisely bableth M. Nowel in hys second Reproufe against M. Dorman But that Caluin meaneth herein plainely and out of all doubte the Protestants and his owne dere brethern it is most euidēt by his wordes immediatly folowing which are these Hoc certè fuit nimiū sed tamen sepultum hoc maneat quia peccârunt inconsiderato zelo Suerly this was to much But let it lie buried for that they offended by inconsiderate zele Tel me nowe of good felowship M. Horne were they M. Feckenhams frendes or youres were they Catholikes or Protestants that Caluin here so gently excuseth wishing the matter to be forgottē and attributing it rather to want of dewe consideration and to zele then to willfull malice or sinnefull ignoraunce Euidēt it is he spake of his brethern protestants of Englād and for their sakes he wisheth the matter might be forgotten With the like passion of pity in his commentaries vpō S. Paule to the Corinthians whē he cometh to there words alleaged there of the Apostle Hoc est corpus meum This is my body remembring the ioyly concent of his bretherne about that matter he saith Non recensebo infaelices pugnas quae de sensu istorum verborum Ecclesiam nostro tempore
imperij but did openly reproue the King for his wicked and vniust rule or cōmaundement vvherby is manifest that Athanasius speaketh .657 not against the Princes authority in Ecclesiastical matters but against his tiranny and the abusing of that authority vvhich God hath geuē him vvhervvith to mynister vnto Gods vvil and not to rule after his ovvne luste they commende the authority but they reproue the disorderly abuse thereof Novv let vs see hovv this saying of Athanasius helpeth your cause Constantius the Emperour dealt vnorderly and after his ovvne lust against Athanasius and others pretending neuerthelesse the iudgement of Bisshops vvhich Athanasius misliketh as is plaine in this place auouched Ergo Bisshoppes and Priestes may make lavves decrees orders and exercise the second kind of Cohibitiue Iurisdiction ouer their flockes and cures vvithout commission from the Prince or other authority I doubt not but yee see such faulte in this sequele that yee .658 are or at least ye ought to be ashamed therof The .12 Chap. Conteyning a Confutation of M. Hornes answer made to the woordes of Athanasius Stapleton HEre is nowe one other allegation by M. Fekenham proposed out of Athanasius Hosius the Bisshop of Corduba saith M. Fekenham who was present at the first Nicene Councel hath these wordes as Athanasius writing against the Emperour Constantius doth testifie Yf this be a iudgement of Bisshops what hath the Emperour to do there with But one the contrary parte yf these thinges be wrought by the threates and menaces of Emperour what neade is there of anye men besides to beare the Bare Title of Bisshoppes When from the beginning of the worlde hath it bene heard of that the iudgement of the Churche toke his authority of the Emperour Or when hath this at any tyme bene agnised for a iudgement Many synodes haue ben before this tyme many Councels hath the Church holden but the tyme is yet to come that either the fathers went about to persuade the Prince any such matter or the Prince shewed him selfe to be curiouse in matters of the Churche But nowe we haue a spectacle neuer sene before browght in by Arrius heresye The heretikes and the Emperour Constantius are assembled that he may vnder the colour and title of Bisshops vse his power against whome it pleaseth him M. Horne to this allegation aunswereth that M. Fekenham doth Athanasius threfolde wronge c. To the first wronge I replie that putting the case that these are not Hosius his words but Athanasius M. Fekenhams matter is nothing thereby hindered but rather furthered considering the excellent authority that Athanasius hath and euer had in the Churche And Hosius hath euen in the said epistle of Athanasius and but one leaf before a much like sentence proceding of a couragious and a godly boldenes Medle not you Syr Emperour saieth he to the forsayed Constantius with matters Ecclesiastical neither cōmaund vs in this parte but rather learne these thinges of vs. God hath committed to you the Empire and to vs those things that appertaine to the Churche And therefore euen as he that maligneth and spiteth your Empire doeth contrarie Gods ordinance so take ye head least ye in medling with matters of the Church doe not runne into some greate offence Whereas for the second wrong done to Athanasius you say that M. Fekenham hath lefte one material word out of Athanasius ye haue turned that worde to one halfe hundred wordes with a nedelesse declaration the space of one whole leafe at the least And yet you neuer come nigh the matter Beside such is your wisedome ye alleage in this your extraordinarie glose an epistle of S. Ambrose which doth so cōfirme M. Fekenhams present allegation and is so agreable to Athanasius ād so disagreable to the cheife principle of al this your boke that I maruel that euer ye would ones name it vnlesse ye neuer read it your self but trusted the collector of your cōmon places For the law of Valentinian whereof we spake before is in that epistle to the yong Valentian Whē euer heard you sayth he that in a cause of faith lay mē gaue iudgment vpon a Bishoppe If we will peruse and ouerloke either the order of holie write or the Auncient tyme who is there that will denie that in matter of Faythe I saie saieth S. Ambrose in matter of faieth but that the Bishoppes are wonte to iudge vppon the Emperours and not the Emperours vppon the Bishoppes He saith againe afterward If there be any conference to be had touching the faith it must be had emong the Priestes And how this doctrine of S. Ambrose which is the doctrine of the catholike Church and most conformable to the saying of Athanasius agreeth either with your late acte of parliament wherby the catholik bishops were deposed or with the doctrine of your boke euery man may see Yea S. Ambrose saieth yet farder that the Emperour Valētiniā whose sonne being enduced thereto by the Arrian bishop Auxētius woulde nedes call the bishop before his benche and Iudge ouer him made an expresse lawe that In matter of faithe or of any ecclesiastical order he should iudge that were neither by office vnequal neither by right vnlike That is as S. Ambrose him selfe expoundeth it Sacerdotes de Sacerdotibus voluit iudicare He woulde haue Priestes to iudge ouer Priestes And not only in matters ecclesiastical or of faithe but saieth S. Ambrose Si aliâs argueretur Episcopus morū esset examinanda causa etiā hanc voluit ad Episcopale iudiciū pertinere If otherwise also a Bishop were accused and a question touching maners were to be examined this question also that Emperour woulde haue to belonge to the trial and Iudgement of Bishops Here you haue that yt belongeth not to Princes to be iudges vppon priests either in matters of faith either in matters touching liuing and māners which doth vtterly destroy al your new primacy and your late acte of Parliament deposing the right Bishoppes as I haue saide And we are wel contente that councelles shoulde be free from al feare and that Princes shoulde not appointe or prescribe to Bishops howe they should iudge as ye declare owt of Athanasius and S. Ambrose Let this be as muche material as ye wil to a bishoply iudgmēte But I pray you is there nothing else that Athanasius saieth is material to the same Yes truely One of these materiall thinges was that this Councel was made voyde and annichilated for that Iulius the Pope did not consent to yt as the canons of the Churche require which commaunde that neither councel be kepte nor Bishoppes condemned withowte the Authoritie of the Bishoppe of Rome And therefore Iulius did rebuke the Arrians that they did not first of all require his aduice which they knewe was the Custome they shoulde and take their definitiō from Rome This Pope also did restore Athanasius againe to his Bishopprike as your
353. b. By the Courte of Paris 355. b. By Aeneas Syluius and Cusanus M. Hornes ovvne Authors 357.358 By Isidorus 366. b. By BraughtoÌ„ M. Hornes lavvier 380. b. By Infidels 470. b. By the Sardicense Councell 515. b. By S. Augustine abundantly 529.530 More of Pope see in Councelles A note of good Popes amonge some badde 263.270 a b. The Popes Legates in Councelles 129.151.178 b. 207. a. 208. a. 211. b. 212. a. b. 224.231 a. 232. b. 234. b. 258. a. Hovve Emperours had to doe vvith the deposition of Popes 269. Gods Iudgement vpon such Princes as haue most repined against the Pope 338.339 Al the Popes Authorite sent avvay by shippe 225. b. Q. An humble Requeste to the Queneâ— Maiestie 213. b. Quintinus Heduus 371. sequent R. The Church of Rauenna reconciled to the See of Rome 199. b. 200. a. To denie the Real presence in the B. Sacrament heresy by the lavves of the Realme as muche novve as euer before 482. b. 483. a. Rebellion of Protestants in Boheme 15. a. In Germanie 25. b. In Fraunce 16. a. In Englande Ibidem In Scotlande Ibidem In FlauÌ„ders 17.18.19.20.21.432 seq Relikes from Rome 228.229 A briefe Recapitulation of the former three bookes 384. sequent M. Hornes Resolutions 440. a. b. Kinge Richarde the secoÌ„de 349. seq Robert Grosthead 323. a. Rome euer had the Primacy 154. a. Rome Head of al Churches 194. a. b. 319. a. More of Rome see in Pope The cause of the Romaine calamities .600 yeres past .264.265 VVhie Lucius sent to Rome for preachers 398. a. b. S. SAcrifice denied maketh a vvaie for Antichrist 408. b. Salomon 49. Sardicense Councel 515.516 Scottish protestants rebellious 16. Seuerinus Pope 196. Sicilian Princes 289. b. 310. b 325. a. Sigismunde Emperour 353. seq Siluester called the Nicene Councell 491. b. 492. a. Siluester the 2. vvas no Coniurer 280. a. b. Socrates a missereporter in some thinges 495. a. Sozomene three times falsified in one sentence by M. Horne 103. b. Spaine 185. sequent 197. sequentib 221. seq Matters appertaining to the Spirituall Iurisdiction 381. b. The Statute of Praerogatiuae Regis 509. b King Steuen 305. b. Steuen the 7. and 8. Popes 263. b. 264. b. Supreme Gouernement in Princes misliked of all protestants out of England 21. b. 22. a. b. 508. The definition of a Supreme Gouernour 28. b. Hovve the Prince is Supreme head ouer al persons 29. a. 32. b. The povver of the Princes svvorde 412.413 The svvorde of the Church 413. a. b. T. TElemachus martyr 308. The olde TestameÌ„ta figure of the nevve 461. b. 462. a. Theodosius the first 115.116 sequen 497. seque Theodosius the second 127.128.129.130 a. Theodorike the Arrian kinge of Italie 167. Theodorus of Rauenna 200. b. 201. a. Theodorus of Caunterbury 429. a. Theodorus Exarchus 204. a. S. Thomas of Caunterburie 307.308.309.310 The Toletane Councels condemne M. Hornes Primacie and diuers other his heresies 197.198 Totilas the Tyran 172. b. 173. a. TraditioÌ„s vnvvriteÌ„ to be regarged 106. The force of Truthe 415. a. The Turke muche beholding to Protestants 436. a. b. V. Valentinian the Emperour 113. seq 495. sequent Venial sinne 536.537.538 Visitations in Englande vvhether thei are altogether Scripturelie 480. a. 482. a. False Latin in M. Hornes visitation at Oxforde 480. b. The Pope vniuersal bishop 150. a. Vitalianus Pope 199. a. b. Vntruthes of M. Horne six hundred foure score and ten Per totum W. WAldo the heretike 318. VVebbe of Otterborne 481. b. VVestminster disputations 12. a. VVhitingames preface commending Goodmans traiterous Libel 26. a. VVilfrid of Yorke 4â—9 a. VVilliaÌ„ Conqueroâ—r 293.294 295.296 VVilliam Rufus 297.298 VVulstanus Bishop of vvorceter 292. b Z. Zacharias Pope 230. b. 231. a. 232. b. 233. a. Zenon Emperour 155.156 Faultes escaped in the Printing Leaf Syde Lyne Faulte Correction 15. 1. In the Margent Aene. Pius Aeneas Syluius 32. 1. In the Margent vvordes vvardes 40. 2. 1. The .9 The .8 43. 2. In the Margent Psal. 98. August in Psal. 98. 68. 2. 25. the for the 75. 2. 2. Emanuel Andronicus 105. 1. 32. In the Margent put An. 25. Hen. 8. cap. 19. 109. 2. 27. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 149 2. 31. In the Margent Vniuersal Bisshop Put it out 152. 1. 1. yt yet 194. 1. 19. neither though   20. vvith diligence Yet not vvith such diligeÌ„ce 206. 1. 24. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The vvhole sentence in some Copies is quite leaft vnprinted vvhich is this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 227 2. In the Margent Romano Missae Romanae 232. 1. In the Margent Beda in martyrologio In martyrologio Bedae seu in additionibus ad idem 234. 1. In the margent To the allegation set Platina in Adriano 1. 241. 1. 31. In the MargeÌ„t dixerit direxit 246 1. 23. his this 262 1. 5. busyed being busyed 282. 2. 7. Emperours vvriters 249 2. In the margent Guil. Hunting Henr. Hungtingt 303 1. In the margent Epist. Epist. 195. 310 1. 31. In the MargeÌ„t ascrib ascribendum 321. 1. 27. an and. 355. 1. In the margent c. 2. cap. 12. Ibidem  In the margent 487. 497. 429 2. 8. not contrary not 380. 1. In the toppe of the page 1550. 1150. 492 2. In the margent mandatio mendacio Luc. 14. Aug. de ciuit Dei li. 21. cap. 5. Iul. Solinus ca. 48. Cornel. Tacit. li. 8. Aegesippê° lib. 4. M. Horns GraÌ„mer Aunsvver Fol. 42. col 1. Replie Fol. 180. col 1. Aunsvver Fol. 53. col 2 Replie Fol. 217. Aunsvver Fol. 79. col 1. Replie Fol. 322. col 2. Aunsvver Fol 83 col 1. Reply Fol. 350. col 2. An. 1566. Comp. Anglic Mar. 18. See more of this in this Replye fol. 480. b. M. Hornâ— Logike Ansvver fol. 108. a. Ansvver fol. 4. fol. 100. fol. 105. M. Horns Rhetorik Aug. cont Dona. post Collation cap. 34. M. Horns miserable peruertiÌ„g of his authours By addition 1. Ansvver fo 20. b. Reply fo 88. b. 2. Ansvver fo 22. â— Reply fo 98. b. 3. Ansvver fol. 24. b. Reply fol. 107. b. 4. Ansvver fol. 26. a. Replie fol. 115 b. 5. Ansvver Fol. 26 b Replie Fol. 116. b 6. Ansvver fo 30. a. Replie Fol. 128. b 7. Ansvver Fol. 32. b Reply Fol. 144 a 8. Ansvver fol. 53. b. Replie fo 216. b. 9. Ansvver fol. 81. a Replie fol. 334. a 10. Ansvver fol. 89. b Replie fol. 378 b By Diminution 1. Ansvver fol 19. b Replie fol. 33. a 2. Ansvver fol. 33. a Reply fo 147. a 3. Ansvver Fol. 36. Replie Fol. 162. 4. Ansvver fo 37. b. Replie Fol. 167. a. 5. Ansvver Fo. 4â— a. Reply fo Fol. 179. b 6. Ansvver fol 74. fo 78. a Replie fo Fol. 282. a. 306. a. 7. Ansvver fo 80 b. Reply fo 330. a. 8. Ansvver fo 106. a. Reply fo 448. a. 9. Ansvver fol. 77. a Replie
Donatists August de haeres in Psal. 36 lib. 4. contra Cresc c. 6. 2. Aug. lib. 2 contra Iulian lib 3. contra Cresco c. 66. lib. 2. contra aduers. Leg. c 12. 3. Aug. epis 204. coÌ„t Cresc 4. Aug. lib. 1. euang quaest 4. cap. 38. The Donatists refuse the knovven Church 5. Vide Aug. in breuiculo Collat. diei 3. in lib. post Coll. ca. 31. See M. Davves in his 13. booke 6. August in Ioannem Tractat. 13 An. 1558. in l. theut ad SenatuÌ„ Germa In lib. de miss Angul 7. Thei preferre a nationall councel before the general Aug. lib. 2 de baptis cap. 9. 8. August de agone Christi c. 29. The Authour of the harborovve 9. Opt. lib. 2. Parte 2 cap. 1. fol. 94. Aug. lib. 2 cont Petil ca. 92. Optatus lib. 2. In his Replie against M. D. Harding Optatus lib. 2.6 7. The Donatistes crueltie to the Catholiks Optatus Lib. 6. Aug. contra Dona. post Collat c. 31. The Donatistes counted Martyrs August epist. 68. M. Foxes stinking Martyrs Euseb. li. 5 cap. 18. Niceph. li. 6. c. 32 Aug. con epist. Mani ca. 8. Syr Iohn Oldcastel Syr Roger Acton Anno. 2. Henrici 5 cap. 5. Polidor Harding Fabian Haul Cooper Eleanour Cobham Sir Roger Onely Magaret lordeman The vvitch of Aey See Harding FabiaÌ„ Hall Cooper grafton the addition of Polichronicon Harding in Hen. 6 c. 232. See M. Foxes Martyr the 371. leafe Alanus Copus dialog 6. cap. 16. Hune Debnam King Marsh. D. VVesalian Covvbridge The Apologie of England in reciting the commoÌ„ Crede leaueth out these vvoords Conceiued of the holy Ghost Tom 1. Concil pa. 752. M. Horne and his fellovveâ— by M. Horn his rule are Apollinarians and Eutichians Lib. 2. contr Petil ca. 92. * you shoulde haue said Protestantes vvho in so many pointes as hathe ben shevved resemble the Donatists Lib. 2. cap. 26. Epist. 48. Epist. 50. Epist. 48. Epist. 41 Epist. 50. Epist. 41. Lib. 2. cont lit Petil. c. 92 Dan. 3. * Note that now S. Augustins IudgemeÌ„t is also the iudgemeÌ„t of the Catholike Churche The 52. vntruthe M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ holdeth no such opinion Li. 2. coÌ„t PetilianuÌ„ cap. 92. Epist. 48.50 Princes aÌ„d church lavves made against the protestaÌ„s VVho be the true Donatists for sayiÌ„g princes may not punishe transgressours in causes of religion Episto 50. Bonifacio Comiti Fontanus li. 1. in histor no. temp Vide epist. Aug. 48. in edit Basil annotationeÌ„ marginaleÌ„ ibidem Sir Thomas Hitton priest M. Foxes martyr A great Lye of M. Foxe S. Thomas More in his preface to Tyndal the 344. leafe c. S. Iohn Oldcastle knight of the same opinion vvith S. Thomas Hytton priest Foxe in his English martyrol the 139. leafe Col. 2. M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ purged by M. Horn himselfe of that he layeth to him Rom. 1. * Not such Supreme gouernmeÌ„t as the Othe prescribeth * Not in al causes ecclesiastical The 53. vntruth S. Augustin hath vvitnessed no such large and Supreme gouernmeÌ„t as you attribute novve to princes * You coÌ„clude not in al thiÌ„gs aÌ„d causes and therfore you conclude nothing agaiÌ„st vs. The 54. vntruth Slaunderours 2. Cor. 6. Esa. 49. Lyra in Esa. c. 49. Al this of Constantine is graunted and maketh nothing for you Euse. li. .3 de vita ConstaÌ„t Lib. 2. The 55. vntruth They vvere Idols not Images that Constantin forbadde his subiects to set vp Lib 4. de vit CoÌ„st Lib. 1. Lib. 4. M. Horne doth curtal Eusebius sentence Euse. lib. 4 de vitae Constant. Euseb lib. 3. de vita Constant. Nice con act 2. Pa. 429. Col. 2. Mat. â— Mat. 21. The .56 vntruth This place of S. Matth. maketh nothing for the Princes supreme gouernement in Ecclesiasticall things Matth. 22 The place of Mat. 22. maketh rather quite against M. Horn. Fol. 20. Amb li. 5. Ep. 32. The .57 vntruth The apostles neuer declared any suche matter 1. Pet. 2. Rom. 13. Epist. 125. 1. Tim. 2. The .58 vntruth S. Aug. misse vnderstanded Lib 14. De Trin. cap 1 Lib. 5. de Ciuit dei cap. 14. Grad 6. Rom. 13. Lib 2. cap. 83. The .59 vntruth S. Aug. meaneth not to teach such gouernement of Princes in Ecclesiasticall matters as you teach but onely to punish heretikes by lawes by the same to maintein the Catholique faith decreed of the Clergie not by the Ciuile Magistrat Lib. 2. coÌ„t 2 Epist. Gaud c. 11 The 60. vntruth S. Augustine neuer wrot so VVhere is there in al this M. Horne that the Princes hath to deale in Ecclesiastical causes so vvel as in teÌ„porall Hosius lib. 2. Soto cont BrentiuÌ„ Melanch in lo. com Cap. de magistr Ciuilib Melanch vt suprà In Apolologia CoÌ„fess Art 18. In locis com vbi supra In examine ordinaÌ„dorum Suidas in â—eontio Novvel fol. 33. August lib. 14. cap. 1. De Trinit 1. Tim. 2. 1. Pet. 2. Rom. 13. Priestehod is aboue a kingdom Chrysost. homil 4. de eo quod scripsit Esa. EuideÌ„tly proued by S. Chrysost the PriÌ„ce not to be the Superiour in causes ecclesiasticall 1. Tim. 2. â— Augustin retâ—rned vpoÌ„ M. Horn and his felovves Lib. 2. coÌ„t 2. epistol Gaudentij cap. 11. The 61. vntruth Eusebius neuer vnderstood any such Ministery of the Ciuil Magistrat Lib. 1. De vit Const. Lib. 2. De vit Const. The 62. vntruth ImpudeÌ„t aÌ„d shame lesse CoÌ„cluded but no vvhyt proued The 63. vntruth aâ— shal appeare The 64. vntruth in puttiÌ„g Emanuel for Andronicus The 65. vntruth For this Emperor vvas a stark heretike The 66. Princes supremacy in repayringe Religion decayed The 66. vntruthe fond and foolish as shal appeare The Grecians at the CouÌ„cel of Lions acknovvledged the Popes Primacy BloÌ„d. dec 2. lib. 8. Ioan. Bap. Egn. Rom. Prin. li 2. Nice Gregor li. 4. 5. Pachimerus lib. 5. Fyue notable lies concerning Images in the booke of homilies Li. 1. Cod. Iustiniani tit 8. alias 11. M Iewell also hath tvvo of the same fiue In his Replie to the Article of Images Nicephor Greg. li. 6. Three notable vntruthe of M. Horne in this one storie Volaterran li. 23 Sabell Blondus Lib. 8. dec 2. O vvhat a craftie Coper aÌ„d smothe ioyner is M. Horn Vide Praefationem Nicephor in histo suam ecclesiasticaÌ„ Firmamentum sextum sempiteruum 1. Tim. 2. The .67 vntruth No suche vvordes in S. Paul * This vvouldd be noted hovv ye racke S. Paule He nameth not ReligioÌ„ at all He doth not attribute religion to the rule and gouernmeÌ„t of the ciuile Magistrate but peace and tranquilitie onely in godlines The .68 vntruth Thei saw no suche confounding of the tvvo functioÌ„s spirituall and temporal as you imagine Ciril Ep. 17. to .4 The great ignoraÌ„ce or malice of M. Horne M Hornes rhetorik vpon himselfe returned 1 Tim. 2. Chrysost. ibidem Cyrill li. 1. Epist. 17. Tom. 4. A good aduertisment for M. Horne to consider the cause of the destruction
Naucler p. 401 col 1. gen 46. Staphil in Apologia absoluta fol. 77. Surius in comment breui reruÌ„ gest fo 216 Naucler gâ—ner 46. pag. 403. Quos cum voluntate Papae in honestos coÌ„uertemus vsus The Popes Primacy yet ons again proued by M. Horns ovvne storie In paral Vrsperg The falsehoode of Gaspar Hedio Naeucler gener 46. pag. 403. * Nilus vvas a Schismatik of late yeares of as good Authoritie as Frier Luther The .453 Vntruth Nilâ— saith no suche thing ConcerniÌ„g Nilus Leo Epistola 84. Sicut praedecessores mei praede cessoribus tuis ita etiam ego dilectioni tuae prioruÌ„ sequutus exemplum viceÌ„ mei mode raminis delegaui vt curam quam vniuersis ecclesiis principaliter ex diuina institutione debemus c. adiuuares loÌ„ginquis ab Apostolica sede prouiÌ„cijs praesentiam quodaÌ„modo nostrae visitationis impeÌ„deres The .454 vntruth A senteÌ„ce left out quite in the middest opening the vvhole matter The .455 vntruth False translation Vide. c. IteÌ„ quia c. Nullus de Haeretic in constit prouiÌ„cial An appeale against M. Horne to a quest of teÌ„poral lavvyers An other to a quest of grammarians The .3 to queste of logitioners Poli. li. 20 * These vvordes because c. M. Horne quite left out * Pro quauis causa M. Hâ—rne omitteth a vvhole line that openeth the whol matter againste him King Richardes armie gathered for the defeÌ„ce of the Pope Poli. dict lib. 20. M. Hornâ— armye against the Pope De schis lib. 3. ca. 7 The .456 Vntruth touching Theododorich Nyem as shall appeare Pius Pa. 2. Platina Sabel The .457 Vntruth Slaunderous The .458 Vntruth He vvas deposed by the Councell not by the Emperour The .459 Vntruth He vvas chosen of the Cardinals and bishops only not by themperour Vide Naucler gen 48. pag. 442. co 2 * In this Libel the popes primacie is clerely confessed as it shall appeare * The .460 Vntruth RepairiÌ„g of Libraries is no Ecclesiastical matter Naucler The .461 Vntruth He translated the Councell in deede not only thoughte so to do The .462 Vntruth For he coÌ„tinued Pope after that Councell as long as he liued M. Hornes to impertineÌ„te proufes for so weighty a matter CoÌ„cerniÌ„g themperour Sigismundus Vide PetruÌ„ de aliaco impres Basill in 8. an 1551. M. Hornâ— gospel coÌ„demned in the couÌ„cel at CoÌ„stantia by him alleaged Tom. 4. Concil pa. 104. Edit vlt. CoÌ„cerniÌ„g the preteÌ„sed deposition of pope Eugenius Ievvel in his Reply pag. 289. c Vide Theodorichiâ— de Nyem Norimberg impr An. 1532. De schis lib. 3 ca. 7. Naucl. Gener 48. pag. 442. Ante poÌ„tificeÌ„ prostratus cum summa veneratione eius pedes osculatus est M. Horn blovveth out his ovvn coÌ„deÌ„nation Anno. 2. Henr. 5. cap. 7. The statute made agaiÌ„st heresies in the tyme of kinge Henry the .5 Nauclerê° The .463 vntruth In reasoning For this Frederike tooke the Pope for Supreme head of the Church as his predecessour did * Chiefe Aduocat Not Supreme Gouernour The .464 vntruth As before For the makers of this pragmatical lawe acknovvleaged the popes primacy Lib. 5. c. 2. sacr eccles minist Vide Duarenum de sacris eccles minist lib. 5. cap. 12. in append pro libert eccles Ga. defens Par. Vrsp. The .465 vntruthe His Author meÌ„cioneth no Ecclesiasticall Constitutions The 466. vntruthe Aeneas Syl. neuer said so The .467 vntruthe Cusanus vvas of a far other minde as shal appeare Li. 3. ca. 13 Epist. 54. ad CaÌ„cel Imperat. Par. Vrsp. CuÌ„ venisset ad ecclesiaÌ„ suaÌ„ Brixiensem in alpibê° deque illa disponere voluisset pro veteri pontificuÌ„ iure non passus est Sigismundus dux Austriae vt ea in GermaniaÌ„ tenderetur consuetudo quòd Romani Cardinales ecclesias Germania haberent in commendis Bulla retractationuÌ„ Pij 2. Venetijs an 1564. vnà cum Cardilio Louanij an 65. Paris an eodem * PaceÌ„ meaÌ„ do vobis Pacem relinquo vobis Neque vnquaÌ„ sacros imbuimus ordines ni si post veritateÌ„ cognitaÌ„ BasilieÌ„si coecitate relicta Cusanê° de Concordia Cath. li. 2. Cap. 4. Cap. 6. Cap. 9. Cap. 13. Cap. 15. Cap. eodeÌ„ Vide praeambulares Epistol CoÌ„c Cha. Tom. 1. pag. 733 Cardillus disput 1. fol. 19. Decanus Sancti Florini Confluentiae Lib. 2. ca. vltimo Nihil de meis conceptibus adeòfirmuÌ„ assero quiÌ„ peritioribê° dicam potius acquiescendum Ievvel in his reply Art 4. pag. 290. Cusanus de CoÌ„ Ca. lib. 3. c. 7. Ibidem Chalc. Act. 3. fol. 838. Chalced. Act. 3. fol. 838. Cabilon CoÌ„c ca. 6. Milleuit cap. 19. Cusan l. 3. Cap. 10. Cap. 12. Lib. 3. c. 13 Tom. 1. Conc. pag. 395. In praeaÌ„b CoÌ„c Cha. pa. 733. In epist ad AgathoneÌ„ Lib. 3. ca. 14. in fine Cap. 15. Para. Vrsp. Orth. Grat. The 468. vntruthe The Emperor did not conclude to haue that coÌ„ueÌ„ticle The 469. vntruth It vvas a priuate conuenticle no generall Councel The 470. vntruth No such thing to be found in Sabellicus Vide PontanuÌ„ lib. 2. ReruÌ„ memorab pag. 52. Pietrâ— Messia in vita di Massimiliano The 471. vntruth For not aboute Churche maters but about maters of the court of Rome The 472. vntruth It vvas a mere nouelty The 473. vntruth No Ciuilians nor Canonistes are of thâ— iudgement vvhiche M. Horne here defendeth Const. 152 23. q. â— The .474 Vntruth False traÌ„slation NonnunquaÌ„ somtimes * There is diuerse readinges imperet or impetret The Princes shall geue an accompt to God for the Church and the discipline thereof CoÌ„cerniÌ„g the doinges of king HeÌ„ry the .8 The order of M. Hornes proufes CoÌ„cerniÌ„g the coÌ„uocations promisse to make no coÌ„stitution without the kings consente Fol. 95. M. Horn hath not proued in all his boke that such consent is necessarie M. Hornâ— SampsoÌ„s post vvil fall on his ovvn heade Concerning Isidorus Vide destructoriuÌ„ vttiorum impress Norinberg 1496. part 6. cap. 40. Qui eoruÌ„ potestati suam Ecclesiam tradidit defendendam 23. q. 5. c. Principes Principes seculi nonnunquam intra Ecclesiam potestati adeptae culmina tenent Vt per eandeÌ„ potestatem ecclesiasticam disciplinaÌ„ muniant CateruÌ„ intra ecclesiam potestates necessariae non essent nisi vt quod non preualent sacerdotes efficere per doctrinae sermoneÌ„ potestas hoc imperet per disciplinae terrorem Et mox Vt qui intra ecclesiam positi coÌ„tra fideÌ„ disciplinaÌ„ agunt rigore principum coÌ„â—arantur M. Hornâ— booke in a manner ansvvered by his ovvn allegation Isidorus Isidorus in praefat CoÌ„cilioruÌ„ Trip. li. 4. cap. 9. 19. D. Gardiner B. of VVinchester Actes and monumentes pag. 824. col 1. 816. Tom. 1. Concil in vita Marcellini See before fol. â—7 The 475. vntruth For this Petrus vvriteh for the Popes Supremacy not for the Princes in Ecclesiastical matters In form lib. quo agitur ex subst in verbo ex suo corpore The .476 vntruth Not possible to be
a general councel for that beloÌ„ged to the Emperour vvho in that time vvas busie in the vvarres against the Saracens He waited saith Platina for the returne of the Emperour This Constantinus surnamed Pogonatus about the yeere of the Lord 680. calleth the Bishoppes out of all coastes vnto a general Councel in his letters of Sommons to Donus but committed to Agatho Bishop of Rome Donus beinge dead he admonisheth him of the contention betvvixt the sea of Rome and Constantinople he exhorteth him to laie aside al strife feruencie and malice and to agree in the trueth vvith other addinge this reason For God loueth the trueth and as Chrysostome saith He that wil be the chief amongst all he must be minister vnto all by vvhich reason made by the Emperour it may seeme that the pride of those tvvoo seates striuinge .260 for superioritie and supremacie vvas a great nourishment of the Schisme vvhich vvas chiefly in outvvarde shevve only for doctrine He protesteth that he vvill shevve him selfe indifferent vvithout parciallitye to anye parte or faction onely seekinge as Godde hath appointed him to keepe the Faith that he had receiued vvholye and vvithout blotte He exhorteth and commaundeth the Bishoppe of Rome not to be an hinderaunce but to further this Councell vvith sending such as are fitte for such purpose The bishop of Rome obeyeth the Emperours .261 commaundement And the like letters the Emperor sendeth to George Bishop of Constantinople and others The Emperour sat in the councell him selfe as President and moderatour of al that action hauing on his right hande a great company of his Nobles and of his Bishoppes on his lefte hand And vvhan the holy Ghospelles vvas broughte foorth and laide before them as the .262 iudges vvhose sentence they ought to follovve as it vvas also vvonte to be doone in the fornamed Councels The deputies for the bishoppe of Rome stande vppe and speake vnto the Emperour in moste humble vvise callinge him moste benigne Lorde affirminge the Apostolike seat of Rome to be subiect vnto him as the seruant vnto the Maister and beseechinge him that he vvil commaunde those that tooke parte vvith the bishoppe of Constantinople vvhich had in times paste brought in nevve kinds of speache and erronious opinions to shevve from vvhence they receiued their nevve deuised Heresies The Emperour commaundeth Macarius Archebishoppe of Antioche and his side to ansvveare for them selues And after diuerse requestes made by him to the Emperour and graunted by the Emperour vnto him the Emperour commaundeth the Synode to staie for that time The .5 Chapter Of the sixt Generall Councell holden at Constantinople vnder Pope Agatho Stapleton MAister Horne as he sayeth returneth againe to Agatho wherin he doth wel for this hath bene an extrauagant and an impertinent discourse But he returneth withall to his accustomable dealing sayinge that pope Agatho of his owne authoritie coulde not call a councell Which neither his authour Platina sayeth nor anie other nor he him self proueth He coulde M. Horne haue called a Councell and so he did call at Rome at this verie tyme a great Councell of an 1â—5 Bisshoppes our contreyman S. Wilfryde Archbisshoppe of Yorke and the Apostle of Sussex being one of them without the Emperor and such as this Emperour him selfe confesseth to be a general Councell But because the schisme of the Monothelites was deaply setled in Grece and was fast and depelye rooted by continuance of .46 yeares not onely in the Bisshoppes of the chiefe sees as Constantinople Alexandria Antiochia and others but also in the Emperours withall full godly and wisely that the Councell might be more effectuall and fruytful he thowght good to worke with the aduice and assistance of the Emperour and so he did And this his godly pollicy had his prosperouse successe accordingly Maister Horne will nowe recite to vs his collections oute of this Councell called the .6 Generall Councell that he hath gathered but how well and fytlye to proue his matter ye shal anone vnderstande for the confirmation of his newe erected primacy And first he glaunceth at the See of Rome surmising that because the Emperour exhorted the Pope to vnity the pride of Rome and of Constantinople striuing for superiority and supremacy was a greate nourishment of the Schisme This is a lewde and a false surmise For the Emperour in that place expressely telleth by the reporte of the Greeke Patriarches the cause of that stryfe to be quòd verba quaedam nouitatis intromissa sunt that certaine newe doctrine was brought into the Churche And will Maister Horne haue his vnproued surmise to waighe downe the Emperours plaine confession The malice you talke of Maister Horne is in your self â–ª It was not in Pope Agatho The Emperour protesteth you say to kepe the faith that he hadde receiued wholy and without blotte Woulde God all Christen Princes had done so You hadde hadde then Maister Horne no place in our countre to preache and sette forthe your damnable heresies You say farder The Bisshop of Rome obeyed the Emperours commaundement And this also you note verye solemnely in your Margin But both your text and your margin by your leaue lyeth For the Emperour in his letters to the Pope wherein he inuited him to this Councel saith plainely Inuitare rogare possumus ad omnem commendationem vnitatem omnium Christianorum necessitatem verò inferre nullatenus volumus Well we may moue you and praye you to fall to an vnity but force you by no meanes wil we Where then is this forceable commaundemeÌ„t that you imagine You woulde faine haue the Emperours very Imperiall ouer Popes and Bisshoppes You woulde as Auxentius the Arrian Bisshop did Laicis ius sacerdotale substernere bring vnder the Laye Princes foote the Priestly right and Authoritye You woulde haue them as the Arrians persuaded Constantius 〈◊〉 being sette to gouerne one thinge to take vpon them an other thing This with your predecessours hereticall Bisshoppes your prelatship also would Emperours shoulde take vppon them But they expresselye refuse so to doe they proteste the contrary they abhorre suche lewde clawebackes You adde farder that in the Councell the holye Gospelles was brought forthe and layde before them as the iudges This is a flatte vntruthe The Councel hath no such woordes I meane that the Gospels were Iudges No doubte but by the ghospels the Councel did iudge and determine the controuersies and had alwaies those holy books before theÌ„ as also a Signe of the Crosse and other relikes as Cusanus writeth But a Iudge must speake and pronounce a Sentence Such is not the Scripture but such are they that be as the Apostle saith Dispensatores mysteriorum Christi the dispensours of the mysteries of Christ the ordered teachers of his woorde the successours of his Apostles But you to make folke wene that Scripture alone were the only Iudge as though the booke could speake and geue sentence it selfe without a Teacher or