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A17236 A briefe answer, vnto those idle and friuolous quarrels of R.P. against the late edition of the Resolution: by Edmund Bunny. Whereunto are prefixed the booke of Resolution, and the treatise of pacification, perused and noted in the margent on all such places as are misliked of R.P. shewing in what section of this answer following, those places are handled Bunny, Edmund, 1540-1619. 1589 (1589) STC 4088; ESTC S112819 102,685 176

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anie liking of that which is the head-stone of the corner And if there bee no remedie but that needes you will holde on the course you are in walking in darknes in the midst of light abiding in bondage when you may bee free and disposed to perish when saluation is offered what can we doo better than as Christ in the like case did fully content settle our selues in such iudgements of God the causes whereof are euer iust howe secret soeuer they bee vnto vs. His name therefore be euer blessed and glorified of all those that are his that to the glorie of his holie name and to the further manifestation of his great and vnspeakable mercies to his chosen people it hath pleased him to hide those things from the wise and learned and to open the same vnto babes Euen so bee it for so it standeth with his good pleasure Among you all we trust there are some that doo appertaine to the secret election and are to be called in their time Now is the time when they may as plainly perceiue howe far they are falling if they should go on still with you as euer they or anie others might since the world began God giue them grace so to perceiue it and so to with-draw themselues from your naughtie waies and that while they haue this acceptable time before that euer it be too late that with you they be not partakers of those heauie iudgements that are already prepared for you and of which in the course that now you are in you shall one day tast and cannot escape would you neuer so faine FINIS The occasion of this myne Answer That the Aduersaries haue it their common maner to make much a doe about nothing This aduersarie of mine to folowe the same course likewise In what maner this my answer in framed vnto him 1 Not thinking at the first to make any answer here vnto by what reason I was after induced vnto it Of that which he had doone against me Of the Title of the booke wherein he would charge me to haue bin desirous to haue crept into the credit of it First by altering the maner of it to his best aduantage Then by striking out a word that made against him How hee hath altered my name either of grosse negligence or some foolish mysterie Of the sentence of scripture What fault he findeth in mee about it What aduantage therein he hath left against himselfe How indistinctly therfore ilfauoredly he setteth down that text of scripture How resolutely hee setteth down that which the fathers before nor the learned now could so fully agree on His idle caueling about the first page a sufficient pattern of all the rest A friuolous slander of the keies crown vpō the Archbishop of Yorke his Armes As good title thereunto onely by coupling their armes togither as they haue any by the word of God His printers Alphabet fit for the matter hee hath in hand Vpon the Epistle Dedicatorie he associateth himselfe to an The great lewdnes of his own fellowes in that kind Le Cabinet du Roy de France Aboue half a score a peece one with another had in bodily abuse by these holy fathers A wilfull ouersight Of the preface Of the foūtains whēce the booke was taken Pag. 2 3. 3 4 5 6 6.7 7 8 9 14 19 25 32 34. 35 37. 25 33. 35 39 41 Ib. Ib. 42 He altereth my words changeth the pointing to make them square better to his purpose Of the want of learning that he in his vanitie doth charge vs withall How the aduersaries euer haue shunned yet doe the triall of learning Hee is so wearie of being so roundly handled in matters of controuersies that now hee braggeth vs with an other argument to till vs aside frō dealing any longer in this Iudges 9. How arrogantly he challengeth to him selfe and his fellows that which is the farthest of frō them of al others How properly they themselues are occupyed in writing bookes of deuotion pietie and contemplation Of the faults that he findeth in the Resolution How iniustly he chargeth mee with corrupting falsifiyng c. Being takē in the maner himself he thinketh best with opē mouth to lay it on others Vpon how weake a ground-worke he buildeth this greeuous charge The places that he specially toucheth doe readily turn to his owne reproch Of the seared conscience Of sinning wilfully in their owne conscience Acts and monumēts out of Hen. Pantal. lib. 19. an 1543. in the storie of Mollius one of the Italian Martyrs Athanasius abused and falsified That he is made to speake like a good Minister of the Church of England How little cause hee hath to cōplaine of those few parentheses that I had added Of those follies and errors of his that I left out Purgatorie Auriculat confession Satisfactiō Moonks Virginitie Wilful pouertie Apparitiōs Chastising of the body Watching weeping abstinence fasting Merit Of my Annotations Of those that he calleth fond A note of Philosophers taken to himselfe and his fellowes Whether there be any reason or not why Christ should die if we shuld be saued Of those that he calleth absurd Of the maner of our knowledge one of another in the world to come The place of Cyprian abused S. Augustines rule Augustine Possidonius both abused togither What Saint Augustines rule was generally What it was more specially as touching wiuing Good reason why S. Augustine should refuse to cohabite with women yet that to be no rule vnto others that are not in the like case with him Forgetting how farre themselues are polluted with all vncleanes hee condemneth lawful marriage in vs. My Annotation depraued Of the assurāce that we haue in God Of those that he calleth wicked The conuersion of S. Anthony The conuersion of S. Augustine My Annotation dismembred The silence of the blessed Virgin Of his vain and friuolous illation vpon the premises How little cause was giuen by me that so he should charge vs. How faithfully the later church of Rome hath kept the monuments of antiquitie The Nicene Councell Decretall Epistles Constantines gift The Fathers S. Ierome S. August Particular examples M. R. in his confer cap. 5. diuis 2. De doctrin Christ. lib. 2. cap 8. Dist. 19. In canonicis (a) li. 4. dist 10. (b) de consecr dist 2. Prima quidem (c) parte 3. Quest. 75. Art 1. (d) super can missae lect 39. A. M. Reinolds in his praeface of the Confer to the Seminaries pag. 23.26 In praef ad lect in Indicem Expurg Of the treatise of Pacificatiō Of those that are trifling Of the iniurie that he saith I haue offered vnto him to the ouerthrowe of al agreement Of my methode Of those that are by him depraued in that which I had set downe to persuade others Cōcerning Religion That I shuld seem to vaunt of our owne proper lerning aboue all others He gibeth at the consequence after that first he hath taken away one halse of that whereon it depēdeth That I shuld seem to graunt that there is no cause why men should ioin with vs in respect of Religion but in respect of Policie onely The I deuise bugs on the Ecclesiastical authoritie of the B. of Rome That because I teach that we ought to rest in Christ alone for the whole worke of our redemption therefore I abolish works and that we all are little occupied in any good woorks Concerning our ciuil estate That I shuld seeme to exempt our profession from temporall calamities and that our superiors conuey our treasure out of the land to forraine vses Of the peace of the church Of carying out our treasure Other places by him depraued in that which I brought for the remouing of certain impedimentes that hinder others He first depraueth then derideth Christs descending into hell That I should grant that their faith and ours is all one About my treatise of the church Taking in hand that which I set downe first some part of it he dismembreth some he falfifieth After he dallieth thereupon That I shuld seem in such sort to graunt them to be of the church as that it were no great matter of whether religion a man were of theirs or ours How they are of the Church Rob. Bellar tom 1. com 3. lib. 3. cap. 13. cō 4. lib. 4. cap. 16. Quest. 11. ad Algasiū De Ciu. Dei lib. 20. ca. 19 How they are of that Church that is true Catholike Apostolike yet themselues nothing at all the better thereby Vpon what cause hee would haue it to seeme that I did grant them this curtesie Not so careful to keepe them in as that they should not thrust out others What it is that for this matter they are to do Two other matters of another kind Why I shuld write this Pacification That regard of temporal commodities is all that we haue to mooue others to our profession as he wold haue it Of the hope that he giueth vs of a certaine new worke to be taken in hande which none of them all nor altogither can euer perform He forgat himselfe when hee laid this vnto vs. Of the residue that he hath otherwise broght vs. Of the whole booke generally Of the Title of it The Troian horse The monks hood Acts and mon. 1209. Of the matter of it Of a few particulars That he is loath to amend that hee hath done amis Apothrypha Canonicall like Scripture with him and why Corrupt translations stil continued against the Fathers Corus That fowly he erreth in manie things In the ods that he conceiueth betwixt faith and works Pref. 7. in the book it selfe 315. In defining of a true Christian. Part. 1. c. 5. In comforting sinners against dispaire Part. ● cap. 1. Miserable comforters all the sort of them In certaine others that do nothing belong to anie controuersie Isaac was but a child with him when he was fortie yeeres old Pag. 16. Fiftie gentlemen for two hundred and fiftie pa. 70. Iephthes sacrificing of his daughter Pag. 78. Of the time when Abraham liued pa. 143. Of the time of their bondage in Aegypt Pag. 144. The first part of the conclusion beginning with a brief recitall of the whole First generally that he dealeth herein as Laban som time dealt with Iacob Gen. 31. Then more specially in the particulars The second part of the conclusion ending with a short admonition of the iudgements of God
your former bookes yet if anie frend of yours at whose handes your would better take it would now take out the most of that which in this your second edition you haue put vnto it my opinion by your patience is that hee should make your booke so much the better aesteemed but onelie for the names sake with most of your frends that would read it for godlines sake or to stir vp their minde therunto Not denying hereby but that some part of the matter in it selfe is good as that there is a God which rewardeth good and euill and of the certaintie of Christian Religion which two matters are prosecuted at large in two seuerall chapters and are the greatest part of your additions and some other besides But those thinges you knowe were at large handled before by the Fathers of olde against the Gentiles and Iewes and of late likewise as by diuers others in some parte or other as occasion serued so verie fullie by Monsieur du Plessis in that notable booke of his of the truth of Christian Religion You knowe likewise that such thinges as are of diuers argumentes are not euer so welcome vnto those that for the time desire to heare but of the one though in their kinde the one bee as good as the other and in time and place as welcome But yet as touching those reuerend Catholike Priestes that you speake of that suppose so manie among vs to bee falne vnto Athersine by beating out the pointes of Religion first it may bee that they doo thinke that so manie as abandon their woonted errours of poperie doo vtterlie cast of all true Religion likewise And yet notwithstanding I will not denie but that if by them-selues they measure others they may very well thinke if they can haue the grace to consider how far they are falne that it is needfull now to lay againe those first principles of all Religion that there is a God and that the faith of Christ is without question the onely truth But yet are they not able in this lande to finde anie others of what estate or calling soeuer by whome they may take so true a skantling for these matters as by themselues as their trecherous practises long since haue witnessed and daily yet doo to the shame of you all And this of the whole 34 To come to particulars my purpose is no more but this a little to vnfould vnto you these two points how loth you are to be admonished or to amend any thing that already you haue set downe be it neuer so wrong and yet that there is verie good cause why you shuld not trust to your selfe so much as you do That you are loath to be admonished or to amend that which once you haue doone amisse appeereth sufficiently in this for that you doo so greeuously take this little amendment that herein I haue tendered vnto you though in neuer so quiet and gentle manner Insomuch that whereas I neuer vsed any contumelie of speech against you for anie thing that you had so corruptly put in and besides that absteined also from iust reproofe and neuer did anie more but either left them out or amended them in quiet manner you on the other side by all such occasions haue stirred vp your selfe to lay on load in reprochfull and taunting speeches But whereas it seemeth your selfe doth account them as deadly instrumentes against whome they are throwne yet the truth is they are but the shuttle-cocks of your owne vanitie and carrie with them no force at all against the truth and vpright dealing Then also I thinke your selfe may not well denie but that I admonished you of or my selfe amended certaine things wherin you were wrong which notwithstanding you haue not corrected in this your new booke but haue come forth with them againe as corruptly now as you did before Whereof although I were able to alledge verie manie examples yet I will content my selfe with few And first when you haue occasion whether orderly giuen or purposely taken to alledge anie thing out of those bookes that are not Canonical yet you still call them the Scripture and the H. Scripture as well as those books that are Canonicall or vndoubted Scripture indeed And this you do both against the vse custom of the primitiue Church respecting the whole generally and of an euill heart to the holie and vndoubted woorde of God that by aduauncing other bookes also to the same degree you may so the more easily take downe the better estimation of it and make it no better than those that are of your own allowance In like manner whereas before I put you in mind of many places corruptly translated or wrong applied yet neuertheles you hold on still your head-strong course as propter dolos for in lubrico posuisticot Psal. 73. against Ierome and aboue for vpon all his woorks Psal. 144. against Saint Ierome and against Saint Augustine both and manie others like vnto these Wherein you doo not onelie go against the Fathers but also against the truth it selfe and all to continue your former course and a little therby to helpe out a few od points of your profession not woorth three halfe-pence the best of them all So likewise howe you did some-what ouer-slippe your selfe beyond the warrant of the woorde of God to ascribe that as a custome to Isaac that the text reporteth but of one speciall time I noted vnto you towards the beginning That you may see howe I had amended onely by leauing your errour out and nothing at all laying it vnto your charge not bewraying it vnto others Which notwithstanding now you haue taken it in againe and more discouered your weakenes therein than you did before But it may be you will say that that part of your booke was printed before What if it were yet was not the vsuall helpe of corrections in the end of your booke denied vnto you But for this cause to leaue all the fore-part of the booke and to bee sure to leaue you out three partes to your selfe and to take in hand but the fourth part onely the hindmost of all by which time though the print went on yet might you haue good time of aduisement there to picke out but some few things also wheras I pag. 271. holpe to rectify the number of quarters that you pag. 297. had set down for a Corus in Salomons prouisiō far aboue Ierom beiond al mesure much aboue Iosephus also you neuertheles do still hold on your former course in your new booke haue set it down altogither as corruptly as you did before A little after pag. 300. you had set down that on thursday c friday the Iews cried crucifige against Christ prefored the life of Barrabas before his And yet I trust you know well inough that thogh they bare him il harts before likly inough that they on thursday were practising against him yet neither of those
grace that you would vse it no more No but hauing the forhead of an harlot that shameth with nothing you added an other forgerie vnto it to saue your credit withall bringing in Athanasius complaining that the Arrians had burnt al the copies of most of those canons of the Nicene Councell so to make some shew to the world that those bishops of Affrike did not iustly giue you the repulse in that your ambitious attempt but that all they did want the full copies of that councell which notwithstanding you then had and thereby made the claime that you did Afterward whē you had gotten on cock-horse and were desirous to make the world beleeue that it was not of new vsurpation but from reuerend antiquitie most certainely descended howe did you then altogither followe vppon that naughtie practise forging manie decretall Epistles vnder the names of most of the Fathers exceedingly aduauncing your praerogatiue and commending your ceremonies and besides that making a faire deede of gift in the name of Constantine the Emperour vnto Siluester the Pope of all the West parte of the Empire after that to remaine vnto the Pope alone And had not the iust iudgementes of GOD ouer-taken you with your ignorance and follie or as wee commonlie say had your skill beene to your will howe had the Church of God beene vnto this day deceiued with those pamphlets How loath should wee haue beene to haue doubted of anie of these your grosse corruptions so long as they should shrowd them-selues vnder the names of so reuerend Fathers But God bee thanked for it your forgeries doo hang so properlie togither that they doo no sooner come to the light but that by and by they showe themselues what they are insomuch that nowe diuers of your selues haue written against them and some others besides though loath to beholde the weakenes of this their cause but so little as may bee yet notwithstanding are verie ill ashamed of them 21 If wee come to the Fathers in some fewe of them it may bee seene what wee may looke for in the rest In the woorkes of Saint Ierome as you haue set them foorth vnto vs as the bookes them selues will witnesse the whole fourth Tome you knowe is none of his nor in the seauenth anie thing but his Commentarie vppon Ecclesiastes in the eight but his translation according to the Hebrew nor that verie certainely neyther in the last but onelie his Commentaries on Mathew on foure of S. Paules epistles and his translation of the booke of Didimus of the holy Ghost But many others you know well ynough are ioined vnto them and go vnder the name of his works generally In which case if a man should aske who are the likeliest to haue shufled in these among the true woorkers of that Father and to put them out in his name it were easily answered that in reason it were like to be those that haue had the keeping of them and to whose purpose they are fitliest framed which as you knowe commeth neere vnto you and that in such sort as that in no wise you are able for to cleere your selues of great fault therein Of Augustine likewise you knowe it is set downe that in such matters men haue made as bolde with him as with anie other of the Fathers besides As for example in the ninth Tome of his works where there are about seuen and fortie seuerall woorkes vnder his name generally yet notwithstanding there are not past seuen or thereabout that are knowne to bee his and all the other fortie flatlie reiected sauing a verie fewe of them that are but doubted In the last tome likewise of his fiftie homilies he hath about halfe of his sermons de tempore not fully out a tenth for hee hath but about 43. of 256 of his sermons de sanctis hee hath a dozen of one and fiftie and of his sermons ad fratres in eremo of threescore and sixteene hee hath but six and your Abbat Tritthemius himselfe in his recitall of the Ecclesiasticall writers when hee commeth to this Father hee dooth not onely put out by name certain of those as none of his which you notwithstanding commend vnto vs among the rest but also doth adde generally that So manie Treatises Sermons are falsly ascribed vnto that Father that the reckoning of them vp would require a volume by it selfe You were the keepers of these bookes also you had the writing of them out your cause it is that those additions giue credite vnto we haue receiued them so of you and our cause is no where holpen by any of those bastard works whatsoeuer but on the other side as much discredited as they are able If therefore the quaestion bee betwixt you and vs whether part it is that hath so corrupted the Fathers there is no quaestion but that needs it must fall to bee yours or at least that it commeth much neerer vnto you than it doth vnto vs. 22 But yet to make it somewhat cleerer by some example first I trust you know well inough howe far you are of late charged as with diuers others so namely with Thomas Aquinas for his ill dealing with Cyril and with the whole Councell of Chalcedon My selfe at this present will goe no further but onely to put you a little in mind both how truly you can finde in your hartes to alledge and how you alter the place it selfe when it maketh for your purpose so to doo For the former whereas Augustine teacheth to iudge of Scriptures which were most to bee esteemed setteth downe this rule that therein we are to followe the authoritie of the most part of the Catholike churches and especially of those that haue Apostolike Seas haue beene vouchsafed to receiue the Epistles from the Apostles sent vnto them you tell vs that he saith that those also are Scripture that the Apostolike Sea hath meaning Rome ● and such as it hath vouchsafed to sende vnto others And this for the aduauncement of your Church of Rome and to make all such things authentike Scripture that either it bringeth foorth out of your own libraries there or els at any time it is disposed to send vnto others For the other whereas in like maner the same Saint Augustine said at the first that that bodie of Christ wherein hee rose from death to life must needes be in one place you haue now of late made him to say that it may be in one place and this because you saw it made so directly against your fonde and blastphemous error of Transubstantiation which now you haue taken vpon you to defend and thereupon haue endeuored to help your selues with such poore helples shifts as these That you haue made Augustine so to speake now the books do witnes that you haue printed that hee did not say so before your own late Doctors do plainly testifie the master of Sentences Gratian Th. Aquinas Gabriel