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A09101 A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1581 (1581) STC 19402; ESTC S120349 83,096 196

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grosse and palpable absurdities as partly by that which alredy hath bene spoken and partly by these lynes folowing may appeare Before I enter to speake of his oration sermon I will bréefely ronne ouer an epistle of his to the Marchant venturers containing a narration of his own aduentures with denyal of certaine informations geuen of him in writing by some man belike that knew his behaueour and detested his doinges Where albeit he séemeth to disaduouche some litle pointes reported of him by me before yet the matter is not so reiected for that there are witnesses of his owne spéeche here in from which only we receaued intelligence of thes thinges by denying that which foloweth of his voluntarie repaire to the Roman Inquisitiō Nicols volun●arie offering him sel●e to the Inquisition a thing so euedently knowen to the world he sheweth of what veritie his other denials are He was before his comming to Rome recōciled to the Romane church as he saithe and he had dwelt with a bishope the Popes Protonotorie a good space what thē had the Inquisitours to doe with him now who medle with none after reconciliation although they had bin ministers and preachers of herestes before as may appeare by diuers English ministers retourned to the faith of later yeares How could also the Popes Protonotorie geue Nicols entertainment or kéepe him in his seruice so long space if he had not séen him free from the Inquisition but Nicols strugleth the more in this point to couer therby that manifest false lye which hee hath put in the very title of his booke Aboute the payne of deathe assigned to him if he first made not that sermon and oration By which inuention he pretendeth two thinges the one to excuse his own abusing the protestantes in Rome as done vppon feare the other to bringe the Pope into opinion of crueltie and therby to deminish in her Maiestie compassion towardes afflicted Catholiques in Englande But all men thoughe of verye meane vnderstandinge knowe that paynes of death are non proposed to them which anye waye yeald to forsake ●her heresies much lesse to him who cōfesseth him selfe recōciled before in fauourable credite with the Popes Protonotorie Wherfore take this amonge the rest as a malitious and wicked machauelian lye Nicols confession of his owne folye To other matters in the same epistle he aunswerethe diuerslye For some hee graunteth albeit with qualifications as that he was ridiculous to the colledge in his excercises but he saithe it was the poynte of an oratour to moue laughture Also that he preached on a stoole to his felowes but yet not often as he saith but only being merily disposed● Other thinges he cloketh with vaunting him selfe slaundering of others as his not goeing forward in logique he atribureth● not to his owne inhabilitie but to the malice of one Ferdinando his Prefect in studies euel affectioned to welshe men as he reporteth but it hathe noe probabilitie of truth that ether he being an Italian a good man had suche partial affection in our diuersitie of countries or if he had that he woulde vse it in suche a matter as this is But yet to make this more credible or rather more ridiculous he vaunteth him selfe ouer all the studentes in the Colledge or Seminarie affirmming Nicols vaniti● That he was the beste oratour amongest that rowt and taught the most of them all to speake true latine Adding also to diuers of them certaine foolishe nicknames according to his small discretion as though he had béen preaching vnder a maye pole and not writing a booke to presente vnto a Princesse But the latine epistle before the sayde booke vnto her Maiestie as also the other writen to his Patron before well shewethe vs the skill of Iohn Nicols in the latyne and disclosethe the mans intollerable vanitye in bragging of that wherin hee knowethe nothing The reste which Nicols addeth in his defence implyeth so manyfeste falshode and contradictions Nicols con●tradictions as maye teache vs howe lytle credite is to be geuen to that whiche hee hathe spoken before For where as I haue sheewed in myne aunswere See pag. 38. in his first booke taken out of hanmers first booke that he hathe taken whole pages out of other mens bookes yet saythe he Not soe muche as one sentence or clause hadd I by other mens industrye Fol. 115. And whereas he wryteth in his former ●ooke thus Fol. 11. You may easelye gather that I was noe true louer of the true ghospel when as I soe sharpelye spake and preached agaynst the professours therof Beinge towched now for the same he wryteth in this booke Fol. 19. As for defaminge the protestants I neuer opened my mouthe to vse anye such speeche Agayne in his first booke his wordes were these in the begining of his narration Fol. 10. A discouerye or layinge open of my zeale in poperye and howe I preached before that Antichrist in Rome Now in the secōd booke being charged with the same he denyeth it thus Whereas thow wryteste that I wrote in my booke that I preached before the Pope Fol. 20. I wrote noe such thinge the booke is extant whoe that will may reade it Agayne he wryteth in his ●ormer booke Fol. 13. I had before that time made an oration and sermon presented before the Pope and fower Cardinalls in the Cōsistory Now he writeth in this booke I made an oration and sermon presented before the Pope and al his Cardinals in the Consistorie To these absurd contrarieties is Nicols driuen soe soon● for defendinge his auowched lyes notwithstanding in his last booke he sayeth thus Fower thinges haue caused me to be circumspect in wryting this booke to wit feare care necessitie and affection● Feare afflicted me care compelled me necessitie bounde me affection wounded me In the Epistle to the Reader But nowe to reason a worde or two with Nicols aboute this fayned sermon aud oration How durst you Iohn be soe bould as to abuse the whole state of England with so manifest and obsurd a lye What probabilitie is there in your reporte You made this sermon oration as you say in Rome where in whose company what one English man knoweth of it where had you bookes to seeke soe many authors as you cite you confesse you were not yet of the Colledge and we knowe that the hospitall where you lay had not books to lend you wher could you haue soe many bookes without the knowledge of any one English man But suppose you made it mi●aculously how came it into the Consistorie as neuer any such matter before it how and wh● came it to be presented to the Pope and Cardinals to read it ouer it was to long being twelue shéetes of printed paper and much more in written hande And your selfe confesse that you pronoūced it not how then how could the Pope and Cardnales al the Consistorie thāke you if they
which haue offered them selues to vs in this time it were long to recount the particulares and yet haue we nothing to compell them vnto our part except euidēce of truth n●r any thinge so allure th●m excepte pouertie and honestie It is no maruaile then all circumstances cōsidered if such s●ore be made of one Iohn Ni●ols a ●●●●gate of their owne ●ampe For euen the Egle her selfe must baite on flées when she can finger no fethered fowle If any one man of more sufficiencie might haue bene gayned why Iohn Nicols was preferred to the pulpit Iohn Nic●ls had bene spared but séeinge it could not be and that som●what at that time must néedes be v●tered for the more defacinge and bringing in hatred the Catholicke religion some of zeale were content to vse his person sor the auowchinge of that which ether he or other could deuise for that purpose and so was his recantation published with common fame that he was a Iesuite of greate learninge and renowino to which recantatiō I am now bréefly to answere according to the chéese pointes thereof which in effect I finde to be thrée A Deni●i●n of the book 〈◊〉 to three part● the one in vaunting of him selfe the second in s●ander●nge of others the thirde in willinge of certaine controuersies by ●●bling them before he vnderstood thē Vauntinge of him selfe The first 〈◊〉 For the better vnderstanding of this first parte as also to see how litle cause this litle man had to trouble vs with bragginge it ●ot be amisse to sett downe in wordes some shorte progresse of his lyfe declared by him selfe to his felowes in Rome and publiquelye knowen to others there namelie his course from Wales to England from Englande to Flaunders from Flaunders to Rome and from Rome to the pulpit in the tower of London wherein I wil speake no●hing but such as is commōlie knowen or confessed by him selfe Other matters suppesed of greater importance I wil vtterlie ●mit If hereafter vpon trial they breake forth vnto the world I shal take no comfort therein for in good sooth I much pittie the man and wish● onelie his repentance to pardone and not his infamie to desperation Iohn Nicols therefore was borne at Cowbridge in Wales A Narration of Iohn Nicolls and afterwarde a minister in the weste partes of Englande In which arte how he behaued him selfe I am not to dis●●●●e or reueale onelie him selfe vs●●●●en to declare how that he p●●●ched commonlie certaine sermens of one ●●●brooke as his owne and thereby 〈◊〉 ●hered o●n on of very good and 〈…〉 Also that he procur● 〈…〉 benefices by Simonie an● that M. deane of Powles and he coulde neuer agrée which I suppose was for noe good demeanure on his part But in trade of time beinge enforced to departe England ether for his conscience as he would pretend or for worse causes as some suspect he passed ouer to Flaunders and there applyinge him selfe to the religion and manners of the place plaied some time the souldier and some times the minister vntill beinge werie of both he departed thence and passing by Cambraie being holpen by the liberality of English men there he tooke his walke towardes Italie where he serued a Bishop for certaine monthes and finallie after a space he came to Rome attired ridiculouslie in an old cast purple cassoke doune to the groūd geeuen him by the same Bishoppe Iohn Nicolls behauiour at Rome Being come to Rome and deuisinge how to get some credit there thought it best to offer him selfe to the inquisi●tion voluntarilie and so he did by the conduction of one M. Moris accusing himselfe gréeuously for that he had ●orsaken the Catholicke Church and fal●len into heresie makinge him selfe also a minister of the same for which faulte he craued pardone and for more satisfaction both to God and the world● he desired most earnestlye to be admitted to a recantation or abiuration of his former errors which was graunted vnto him He abiured therefore with al t●e vehemencie he could deuise and after that made sute to be receaued as scholer into the Englishe Colledge or Seminarie there Wherunto albeit for his apparent insufficiencie some dela●e and difficultie were made yet finallie he was admitted and deliuered ouer as the manner is to the posers to trie what studdie he was fit for who found him verie raw in the latine tonge and therefore determined him to the studie of Rethorike and Humanitie wherein hauinge spente some time he was aduaunced to the studie of Logique but not beinge able to wade in so greate matters he was remoued againe thēce as non proficiens and shifted of to the studdie of certaine cases of conscience more easie for his capacitie wherein Iohn Nicolle habilitie in learninge notwithstanding he profitinge litle or nothing the Colledge began to be werie of him and the rector taking occasion of the romane aier which this fellow was perswaded that it 〈◊〉 his wit as also wronght some distemperature in his bodie 〈◊〉 hansomlie ridd she Colledge of him vnder 〈◊〉 that the S●minarie of 〈◊〉 in ●●●unce was more conu●●ient 〈◊〉 ●●alth Iohn Nicols therfore depar●●ng Rome towardes Rh●mes in the companie of some other Englishe men whose iornie late ●o England f●ll into consideration vpon the way as is thought what disgrace would ensewe vppon this departure and so betooke him selfe to a new resolution which was to slippe secretlie from his companions which he did néere vnto a citie called F●ligno in Umbria or the Dukedome of Spoleto and so came directlie into Englande where in shorte space he mett with Sir Ow●n Hopton whoe conuerted him soone after in the tower of London Collections out of the premises By this it appeareth firse that Ioh● Nicols was no Iesuit nor yet Preist nor yet so learned and principal a man as was geuen out Se●endlie it appeareth that his recantati●● now is noe great noueltie séeing he hath practi●sed the like before with such facilitie nor hath the tower of Londō more certaintie in this then had the Romish Inquisitiō hold in the other but rather much lesse this being made in prisō the o●●●r in libertie this vpō feare the other voluntarie Lait●●e it séemeth the mans importance beinge no greater th●● appeareth that this his reuolution néeded not to be celebrated with such triumphe of printing preaching and presence of noble men except it were onelie for the honoringe of his conuertour and patron Sir Owen whose good nature séemeth to be to make great store of a litle gaine especiallie if it come far of and from Rome as this did It appeareth further by consideration of the premises that Iohn Nicols his vauntes powred out in his booke to his owne commendation are as voide of probability as fraught with vanity especiallie those which imply great habilitie as to preache before the Pope and others with sufficiencie in the learned tongues c. whereof I must speake a word or two for the discrying
lesse nowe For you knowe the saying Cicero Qui semel verc●undiae limites transierit eum gnauiter impudsntem esse oportet 1. Timo. 5. And S. Paule geueth but a hard sentence of those which haue brokē their first faythe and promise And as for that he addeth of his minde to be saued it is of small importance for I thinke that rare trobleth him litle as it maye appeare by the reste of his dealinges which I shall haue after occation to touche Slaunderinge of others WE HAVE had a vew in the former part The secod● parte of the one side of Ihon Nicols his tongue verie smothe as you sée cléere in his owne praise But now if we turn vp the other side also we shall finde it no lesse cankered and venimous in the slander of his neighboure then the former was currant in his owne cōmendation And here before I passe any further very gréefe of minde enforceth me to ●●eake a word or two in detestation of a certaine familier propertie of Ihon Nicols which is wilful malitious detraction● For as it is a great faulte to fauour detraction in any degrée or to vtter easily a true reproche to the infamie of any man soe to deuise lyes and slaunders without any reason or ground at all and to auouche thē of a mans owne knowledge as Ihon Nicols dothe is a poynt of a very deadly resolution made within the den of a desperat harte What cause I haue to vtter these wordes shall appeare in the sequel of this part which for more perspicuites sake I will reduce vnto certaine genaral poyntes acording to the diuersitie of parties which are slandered in the same But first by the way I am to examine a reproche layd down by Ihon● Nicols in the very beginning of his booke against all Catholiques by which you shal haue a gesse of his truthe in reportinge other maters héerafter A tast of Iohn Nicols truthe in reporting He saithe therfore amongest other thinges in his preface that Catholiques hould the soule of Aristotle to be in purgatorie thence to be deliuered by dirges and masses And this is the first and formest of his reportes against vs the whiche howe malitious grosse and impudent a slaunder it is all the world can witnesse which séethe our bookes wherin we hould more then the plaine contrarie For we are soe farre of from saying that infidels or heritiques goe to purgatorie as also we teach that manie Catholiques departe hence straight to hell for their wicked lyues and onlye such goe to purgatorie as dye in the fauoure of God This place is soe interpreted by saynte Aug in psa 37. li. 21. de Ciu. ca. 26. li. de fide ope cap. 10. in psal 80. but haue not dōne such penance for their sinnes as Goddes iustice requireth and therfore they are to be purged by fire after this lyfe and so saued as S. Paule signifieth 1. Cor. 3. by the interpretation of the holye Fathers We teache then as it maye appeare in the Councell of Florence in li●eris vnionis Orig. ho. 12. 13. in Hiero ho. 25. in Nu. ho 6 in Exod. Greg. lib. 4. dia. cap. 39. Beda in ca. 3. Luc. that there are thrée sortes ●f men which dye one verye good which ●oe straight to heauen one verye euill which goe straight to hel one meane be●wixt both which goe to purgatorie and ●here may be reléeued by the pietie of the ●iuing This was the doctrine of the Ca●holicke Church twelue hundred yeares ●ast sett doune by S. Austen a chéefe do●tour of the same Church in dyuers pla●es of his workes most plainlie as in his Enchiridion cap. 110. Whose wordes are these Doctryne about the dead iu S. Austens time Nether is it to be denyed that the ●oules of the dead are releeued by the pi●tie of their liuinge frendes when the sa●rifice of our Mediatour is offred for thē or ells almes are geuen for them in the Chruch but yet those things profit only those which deserued whiles they li●ed that these thinges might profit them after their death For there is a kinde of ●yfe nether so good but that it may need ●hese thinges after death nether so euill ●ut that these thinges may profit it after death But yet there is another kinde of ●ife so good as it needeth not thes things ●nd againe another so euil as it can not be holpē by those things when it is o●● gone Wherefore in this lyfe all me●●e● is to be gotten by the which a man may be releeued or oppressed after this lyfe● But let noe man hope to obtaine that at God his ●ande after he is dead which he neglected while he was aliue Wherefore these thinges which the Church doth vse for the commending of the dead are no● contrarie to the saying of the Apostle a● we shall stande c. for that eche man whiles he was yet liuing in flesh ● Cor. 15. gate him selfe this merit that those thinges might profit him For they do not profit euery man and why doe they not profit al bu● onely for the dīfference of lyfe which ec● man did lead in his body therfore when sacrifices ether of the aulter or of any o●ther almes are offered for all those tha● died in baptisme for the very good they are thankes geuing for the not very euil they are propitiations or intreatinges fo● pardon for the very wicked althoug● they helpe not the dead yet they comfor● in a sort the liuing Hitherto are S. Au●sten his words and he repeteth the ver● same againe in his seconde question t● Dulcitius and the like in his 21● booke o● the citie of God the 24. chapter Wherby it appeareth that his Church taught thē as directlye against our aduersaries as we teach now But of these matters we shal haue occasion to speake more in the thyrd part of this answere Onely here I meant to confute the slaunderous lye of Iohn Nicolls and to geue you some shewe of his shamelesse forhead wherewith I must haue often combate hereafter in this second part which now I beginne according to the diuision promised before of the principall parties slaundered in the same which for methods sake may be reduced to this order The order of this secūd par● First of the Pope secondlye of the Cardinalls thirdly of the prists and religious folks fourthly of the English studētes in Rome ●iftly of particuler persons lastely of the citie of Rome it selfe for that all these haue tasted of the whippe of Iohn Nicols tongue without exception Of the Pope Iohn Nicols for lacke of matter rather then malice could haue bene contēt as it séemeth to passe ouer with silence the Pope which now is but onely for breaking the custome of his companiōs and offending the appetites of his compartners whoe coulde not haue take● well the omittinge of the Pope beinge the principall obiecte of their diuinitye For which