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his_o soul_n and_o 〈◊〉_d and_o de_fw-fr incaâ—â—_n sacr._n cap._n 〈◊〉_d hoc_fw-la in_o se_fw-la obtulit_fw-la christus_fw-la quod_fw-la induit_fw-la etc._n etc._n christ_n offer_v in_o sacrifice_n all_o that_o which_o he_o assume_v that_o be_v all_o &_o every_o whit_n that_o be_v in_o he_o beside_o his_o godhead_n 3._o godhead_n fulgent_n 〈◊〉_d thrasym_a 〈◊〉_d lib._n 3._o fulgentius_n he_o show_v in_o himself_o the_o suffering_n of_o a_o whole_a man_n in_o verity_n &_o truth_n quicquid_fw-la fuit_fw-la infirmitatis_fw-la animae_fw-la sine_fw-la peccato_fw-la suscepit_fw-la &_o pertulit_fw-la he_o take_v upon_o he_o and_o suffer_v whatsoever_o infirmity_n may_v be_v in_o the_o soul_n without_o sin_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o we_o ourselves_o shall_v speak_v a_o more_o effectual_a sentence_n for_o our_o purpose_n then_o this_o be_v say_v as_o fulgentius_n here_o say_v and_o we_o ask_v no_o more_o all_o that_o 86._o that_o pag._n 86._o you_o except_v that_o by_o these_o father_n 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from_o the_o body_n only_o they_o except_v 2._o point_n which_o of_o simple_a necessity_n indeed_o must_v be_v except_v in_o the_o son_n of_o god_n â—3_n pag._n 10._o 12._o â—3_n which_o before_o k_n i_o have_v also_o acknowledge_v 1._o sin_n 87._o pag._n 87._o and_o all_o sinful_a concomitante_n and_o consequentes_fw-la as_o l_o you_o speak_v and_o that_o be_v it_o which_o cyprian_n exact_o note_v that_o in_o he_o there_o be_v m_o similitudo_fw-la paenae_fw-la non_fw-la culpae_fw-la pass_n cypr._n the_o pass_n the_o very_a like_o punishment_n as_o shall_v have_v be_v in_o we_o only_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n nor_o fault_n in_o he_o as_o be_v in_o us._n the_o 2._o point_n except_v be_v that_o he_o suffer_v not_o eternal_o but_o for_o a_o while_n for_o he_o that_o be_v life_n itself_o can_v not_o but_o live_v again_o say_v n_o cyrill_n cite_v in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v where_o he_o seem_v to_o acknowledge_v a_o kind_n of_o death_n even_o of_o the_o soul_n from_o which_o christ_n 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you_o mean_v not_o thus_o 5.23_o 〈◊〉_d the._n 5.23_o than_o you_o again_o use_v sophistry_n deceive_v we_o with_o the_o word_n soul_n for_o we_o mean_v thereby_o in_o this_o question_n only_o the_o spirit_n or_o mind_n as_o it_o be_v also_o call_v in_o exact_a and_o distinct_a speech_n howbeit_o speak_v vulgar_o and_o ordinary_o we_o call_v it_o the_o soul_n which_o yet_o sometime_o be_v understand_v only_o for_o the_o sensitive_a part_n quicken_a the_o body_n and_o depend_v thereon_o but_o this_o indeed_o be_v not_o it_o which_o we_o have_v here_o in_o quaestion_n if_o you_o mean_v in_o soul_n to_o be_v proper_o and_o immediate_o in_o his_o immortal_a spirit_n as_o the_o ordinary_a phrase_n intend_v and_o that_o so_o he_o suffer_v direct_o punishment_n for_o sin_n in_o his_o soul_n &_o not_o devotion_n &_o piety_n &_o zealous_a care_n only_o as_o i_o doubt_v e_o you_o mean_v than_o you_o differ_v not_o from_o we_o 18._o 〈◊〉_d observe_v 〈◊〉_d 18._o but_o we_o all_o agree_v and_o thus_o 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there_o the_o i_o flesh_n signify_v always_o his_o whole_a humanity_n even_o both_o part_n thereof_o the_o soul_n also_o &_o not_o the_o body_n only_o the_o spirit_n signify_v his_o deity_n or_o divine_a power_n now_o what_o have_v you_o against_o this_o nothing_o of_o weight_n but_o flout_n and_o mock_n that_o k_n this_o observation_n be_v make_v out_o of_o the_o hinder_a partâ—_n of_o my_o head_n etc._n etc._n but_o what_o pretend_v you_o against_o it_o some_o scripture_n palpable_o abuse_v first_o matthew_n where_o christ_n speak_v of_o his_o disciple_n that_o their_o spirit_n their_o inward_a regenerate_a man_n be_v ready_a to_o watch_v 26._o â—ath_n 26._o but_o their_o flesh_n their_o corrupt_a nature_n be_v weak_a &_o sluggish_a what_o be_v this_o to_o christ_n flesh_n and_o spirit_n think_v you_o that_o christ_n soul_n be_v willing_a to_o suffer_v as_o god_n have_v appoint_v but_o that_o his_o flesh_n resist_v very_o so_o you_o seem_v here_o to_o understand_v conceit_n a_o 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oppose_v to_o grace_n and_o regeneration_n have_v reference_n both_o to_o soul_n and_o body_n in_o a_o man_n howsoever_o the_o soul_n come_v in_o generation_n that_o be_v not_o here_o consider_v neither_o be_v it_o necessary_o to_o the_o purpose_n which_o difficulty_n also_o yourself_o have_v utter_o 2d_o utter_o pag._n 2d_o renounce_v before_o to_o make_v it_o any_o argument_n for_o you_o in_o this_o matter_n thus_o yet_o the_o flesh_n and_o the_o spirit_n thus_o oppose_v here_o in_o christ_n shall_v signify_v the_o whole_a manhood_n and_o godhead_n in_o he_o further_o that_o which_o 32_o which_o pa._n 32_o you_o bring_v out_o of_o the_o corâ—_n the_o 2._o corâ—_n corinthian_n compare_v with_o this_o in_o peter_n do_v most_o fit_o and_o clear_o open_a and_o confirm_v the_o
same_o he_o be_v crucify_v touch_v his_o infirmity_n but_o live_v by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n his_o infirmity_n the_o text_n here_o name_v metonimical_o understand_v in_o christ_n that_o in_o which_o his_o infirmity_n be_v now_o his_o soul_n have_v infirmity_n of_o suffer_v in_o it_o as_o well_o as_o his_o body_n therefore_o his_o soul_n also_o be_v understand_v here_o that_o it_o be_v crucify_a and_o dye_v that_o be_v according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o as_o likewise_o his_o body_n according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o and_o thus_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v infirmity_n peter_n call_v flesh_n and_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v the_o power_n of_o god_n peter_n call_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v his_o deity_n be_v set_v opposit_o in_o both_o these_o place_n to_o his_o whole_a humanity_n even_o to_o body_n and_o soul_n 4.13_o aug._n the_o 4.13_o to_o which_o purpose_n that_o place_n also_o to_o the_o rom._n the_o rom._n roman_n do_v serve_v where_o the_o like_a opposition_n be_v find_v as_o i_o have_v show_v between_o the_o flesh_n and_o the_o spirit_n in_o christ_n that_o be_v his_o manhood_n and_o godhead_n other_o reason_n also_o 1â—_n also_o treat_v 137_o 1â—_n i_o have_v note_v serve_v well_o hereunto_o as_o the_o 4_o 5_o and_o 6._o but_o i_o omit_v to_o rehearse_v they_o again_o for_o it_o seem_v yourself_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o they_o 324._o â—â—g_v 324._o hold_v a_o express_o that_o the_o spirit_n here_o in_o peter_n be_v the_o deity_n of_o christ_n according_a to_o augustine_n judgement_n now_o this_o be_v grant_v and_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o spirit_n here_o signify_v christ_n godhead_n how_o can_v it_o be_v likely_a but_o that_o the_o other_o opposite_a part_n the_o flesh_n must_v needs_o import_v his_o whole_a and_o entire_a manhood_n very_o thus_o it_o seem_v most_o plain_a that_o peter_n here_o distribute_v the_o whole_a and_o absolute_a person_n both_o god_n and_o man_n into_o these_o nature_n the_o flesh_n and_o the_o spirit_n wherefore_o i_o can_v not_o think_v but_o that_o the_o apostle_n here_o understand_v by_o flesh_n the_o whole_a and_o entire_a manhood_n of_o christ_n even_o his_o soul_n and_o his_o body_n now_o this_o be_v so_o than_o it_o follow_v by_o the_o text_n that_o christ_n in_o his_o passion_n be_v do_v to_o death_n both_o in_o soul_n 320._o pag._n 320._o &_o body_n here_n you_o object_n that_o thus_o i_o make_v all_o the_o attribute_n of_o the_o body_n common_a to_o the_o soul_n nay_o forsooth_o that_o i_o do_v not_o nor_o yet_o this_o attribute_n of_o die_v understand_v in_o such_o sort_n and_o manner_n as_o the_o body_n proper_o die_v that_o be_v to_o become_v without_o life_n and_o sense_n i_o ascribe_v death_n to_o both_o but_o yet_o according_a to_o the_o divers_a condition_n and_o state_n of_o both_o 78._o â—reat_a 1._o pâ—g_v 78._o and_o thus_o you_o may_v understand_v my_o b_o meaning_n to_o be_v where_o i_o say_v it_o be_v absurd_a &_o false_a that_o christ_n be_v make_v alive_a in_o his_o humane_a soul_n that_o be_v it_o neither_o lose_v nor_o recover_v life_n and_o sense_n so_o as_o his_o body_n do_v 136_o â—â—â—e_z before_o 〈◊〉_d 135_o 136_o howbeit_o as_o death_n be_v oftentimes_o attribute_v to_o man_n soul_n in_o the_o c_o scripture_n that_o be_v the_o feel_n of_o the_o extreme_a wrath_n of_o god_n and_o the_o punishment_n for_o sin_n so_o do_v i_o make_v death_n common_a both_o to_o christ_n soul_n and_o body_n 79._o â—â—eat_a 1._o â—â—g_n 79._o even_o to_o his_o whole_a and_o entire_a humane_a nature_n which_o if_o you_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v the_o shame_n of_o ab_fw-la surditirie_n and_o contrariety_n which_o in_o your_o fancy_n e_o you_o accuse_v i_o of_o that_o christ_n soul_n die_v and_o die_v not_o â—â—3_n â—â—g_v 322._o â—â—3_n will_v sit_v near_o to_o you_o they_o to_o i_o also_o in_o such_o a_o sense_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o christ_n may_v be_v say_v that_o he_o be_v quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n that_o be_v refresh_v and_o comfort_v again_o in_o his_o soul_n and_o restore_v from_o that_o bottomless_a gulf_n of_o sorrow_n to_o the_o lively_a feel_n of_o heavenly_a joy_n and_o glory_n which_o for_o a_o season_n he_o have_v no_o sense_n of_o at_o all_o howbeit_o though_o this_o sense_n be_v a_o true_a quicken_n in_o his_o soul_n yet_o i_o deny_v that_o here_o in_o this_o place_n of_o peter_n it_o can_v be_v translate_v quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n mean_v the_o soul_n because_o spirit_n here_o in_o this_o opposition_n be_v set_v indeed_o for_o the_o deity_n of_o christ_n â—â—sent_a â—â—â—d_v you_o with_o â—â—â—stin_a do_v â—â—sent_a *_o as_o before_o i_o have_v show_v thus_o the_o matter_n i_o hope_n be_v clear_a to_o reasonable_a man_n that_o christ_n soul_n even_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n phrase_n may_v be_v say_v in_o some_o sort_n to_o have_v taste_v and_o suffer_v death_n that_o be_v the_o extreme_a feeling_n of_o god_n wrath_n for_o sin_n and_o the_o most_o vehement_a pain_n of_o the_o damn_a though_o not_o as_o the_o damn_a do_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o accident_n and_o concomitant_n of_o their_o ordinary_a damnation_n but_o in_o a_o singular_a manner_n and_o extraordinary_a way_n as_o become_v the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o a_o sinless_a man_n yet_o a_o very_a man_n be_v our_o redeemer_n now_o beside_o the_o matter_n you_o 3_o you_o pag._n 3_o gird_v at_o i_o in_o divers_a place_n as_o where_o i_o say_v the_o death_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v such_o pain_n and_o suffering_n of_o god_n wrath_n as_o always_o accompany_v they_o that_o be_v separate_v from_o the_o grace_n and_o love_n of_o god_n forsooth_o it_o be_v true_a they_o be_v always_o wicked_a who_o these_o pain_n do_v accompany_v ordinary_o they_o come_v upon_o christ_n extraordinarilie_o as_o in_o 77._o in_o treat_n â—_o pag._n 77._o this_o place_n i_o express_o note_v that_o be_v therefore_o my_o meaning_n here_o if_o you_o will_v have_v see_v it_o in_o another_o place_n also_o 33._o also_o pag._n 33._o you_o know_v that_o i_o 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any_o other_o sacrifice_n perfect_o accept_v or_o a_o sacrifice_n at_o all_o but_o secondary_o that_o be_v in_o and_o by_o christ_n sacrifice_n they_o be_v not_o his_o sacrifice_n then_o be_v the_o only_a true_a sacrifice_n and_o perfect_o accept_v to_o god_n all_o other_o be_v imperfect_a and_o accept_v not_o in_o themselves_o but_o only_o in_o and_o by_o christ_n thus_o your_o triumph_n before_o the_o victory_n come_v to_o nothing_o but_o blast_n of_o vanity_n but_o augustin_n 32_o augustin_n pag._n 32_o do_v flat_o deny_v that_o this_o text_n can_v be_v thus_o understand_v or_o that_o christ_n soul_n may_v die_v austin_n 9â—_n austin_n epist_n 9â—_n deny_v that_o christ_n suffer_v any_o pain_n of_o damnation_n local_o in_o hell_n after_o his_o death_n as_o it_o seem_v some_o hold_v about_o his_o time_n who_o here_o he_o labour_v to_o confute_v so_o that_o he_o mean_v to_o reprove_v only_o the_o 139_o the_o see_v besâ—â—â—_n pag_n 139_o 1_o sense_n of_o the_o death_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o he_o viz._n that_o he_o suffer_v it_o not_o ordinary_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o other_o man_n nor_o any_o way_n local_o hâ—_n have_v no_o necessary_a cause_n to_o speak_v of_o the_o 2._o sense_n thereof_o how_o the_o soul_n may_v be_v say_v to_o suffer_v death_n extraordinary_o for_o sin_n impute_v only_o neither_o do_v he_o speak_v against_o that_o in_o christ_n nay_o according_a to_o augustine_n own_o definition_n of_o the_o soul_n die_v it_o will_v easy_o appear_v that_o christ_n soul_n may_v be_v say_v to_o have_v suffer_v some_o kind_n of_o death_n 4._o de_fw-fr verh_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d ser_n â—0_n 〈◊〉_d trin._n 4._o say_v he_o a_o moritur_fw-la anima_fw-la si_fw-la recedit_fw-la deus_fw-la and_o b_o mors_fw-la est_fw-la spiritûs_fw-la deseri_fw-la à _fw-la
now_o in_o hell_n see_v you_o seem_v to_o believe_v no_o torment_n for_o damn_a soul_n save_v only_o at_o the_o resurrection_n for_o thus_o you_o reason_n 25_o reason_n pag._n 25_o as_o the_o body_n have_v be_v the_o instrument_n of_o the_o soul_n pleasure_n in_o sin_n so_o it_o shall_v be_v of_o her_o pain_n 20â—_n pain_n pag._n 20â—_n but_o all_o provocation_n and_o pleasure_n of_o sin_n the_o soul_n take_v from_o her_o body_n all_o act_n of_o sin_n she_o commit_v by_o her_o body_n therefore_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n both_o temporal_o and_o eternal_o punish_v the_o soul_n only_o by_o the_o body_n or_o therefore_o all_o the_o soul_n pain_n for_o sin_n both_o temporal_o &_o eternal_o be_v by_o the_o body_n this_o be_v your_o own_o reason_n which_o be_v true_a why_o shall_v you_o care_v for_o corporal_a fire_n in_o hell_n before_o the_o last_o judgement_n your_o strive_v to_o 34â—_n to_o pag._n 34â—_n confute_v my_o allegation_n of_o father_n i_o hope_v i_o have_v refute_v 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i_o avouch_v that_o 8â—_n that_o treat_n â—_o pag_n 8â—_n only_o the_o hot_a and_o cunning_a papist_n jesuit_n priest_n &_o friar_n have_v always_o until_o this_o day_n have_v this_o controversy_n with_o all_o protestant_n and_o all_o protestant_n against_o they_o &_o namely_o bellarmin_n campian_n english_a rhemist_n etc._n etc._n to_o all_o this_o scanalous_a &_o suspicious_a argument_n you_o reply_v not_o a_o syllable_n what_o shall_v we_o think_v of_o such_o doctrine_n which_o in_o this_o learned_a age_n have_v none_o but_o such_o defender_n and_o yet_o among_o the_o papist_n i_o note_v 2_o cusanus_fw-la and_o ferus_fw-la as_o like_v of_o the_o protestant_n doctrine_n herein_o which_o also_o they_o do_v in_o some_o other_o matter_n now_o these_o 2._o and_o only_o these_o though_o more_o there_o be_v c_o you_o cite_v at_o large_a 140.141_o 〈◊〉_d 140.141_o who_o word_n indeed_o especial_o the_o friar_n seem_v excessive_a but_o our_o own_o most_o worthy_a and_o learned_a teacher_n d_o m._n fulke_o 88_o â—rea_fw-la 1._o p._n 88_o m._n deering_n m._n whitaker_n which_o against_o you_o i_o allege_v you_o vouchsafe_v not_o a_o look_n towards_o they_o nor_o to_o m._n nowel_n catechism_n nor_o to_o the_o synod_n authorise_v it_o 42._o â—efore_o pag._n 42._o nor_o to_o the_o archb_n great_a *_o approbation_n thereof_o not_o to_o our_o common_a bible_n note_n authorize_v public_o to_o be_v read_v through_o out_o england_n only_o against_o my_o allege_v of_o our_o homily_n e_o you_o take_v exception_n 355._o pag_n 355._o but_o i_o trust_v i_o have_v before_o full_o and_o clear_o defend_v they_o to_o be_v for_o we_o and_o against_o you_o neither_o do_v any_o such_o matter_n appear_v in_o they_o as_o f_o you_o avouch_v 136._o pag._n 136._o thus_o than_o i_o end_v our_o 1._o question_n be_v sorry_a that_o i_o have_v be_v so_o long_o but_o i_o trust_v the_o friendly_a reader_n will_v pardon_v i_o consider_v how_o i_o have_v be_v occasion_v thereunto_o a_o brief_a collection_n contain_v the_o whole_a effect_n of_o our_o doctrine_n before_o deliver_v bring_v into_o 4._o assertion_n god_n himself_o in_o his_o justice_n proper_o punish_v christ_n for_o our_o sin_n see_v pag._n 8._o 9_o 75._o 82._o christ_n even_o as_o other_o man_n consist_v of_o a_o perfect_a humane_a immortal_a spirit_n and_o a_o mortal_a live_a body_n and_o so_o be_v by_o nature_n capable_a of_o suffer_v sorrow_n for_o sin_n from_o god_n hand_n aswell_o in_o his_o spirit_n peculiarly_a and_o proper_o as_o also_o in_o his_o soul_n and_o body_n together_o since_o other_o man_n do_v thus_o suffer_v for_o sin_n pag._n 8._o 48_o 52._o 61._o 74._o god_n exact_a and_o immutable_a justice_n spare_v his_o son_n in_o nothing_o but_o do_v punish_v he_o in_o all_o severity_n as_o he_o punish_v sinner_n i_o mean_v he_o punish_v he_o in_o all_o his_o part_n of_o nature_n apt_a to_o suffer_v that_o be_v in_o his_o spirit_n peculiarly_a and_o proper_o and_o in_o his_o soul_n and_o body_n together_o also_o again_o god_n punish_v he_o with_o all_o the_o whole_a general_n curse_v not_o with_o all_o the_o particular_a curse_n and_o punishment_n with_o the_o general_n curse_v in_o all_o the_o whole_a nature_n and_o substance_n of_o it_o not_o with_o all_o the_o circumstance_n with_o all_o the_o mere_a pain_n and_o sorrow_n thereof_o not_o with_o the_o sinful_a adherent_n and_o concomitant_n in_o it_o pag._n 8_o 13_o 74_o 86._o god_n exact_a &_o immutable_a justice_n spare_v not_o christ_n in_o these_o circumstance_n of_o punishment_n with_o he_o suffer_v not_o for_o either_o in_o exact_a justice_n he_o can_v not_o or_o necessary_o he_o need_v not_o to_o punish_v he_o so_o in_o exact_a justice_n he_o can_v not_o punish_v christ_n in_o such_o respect_n as_o be_v simple_o and_o absolute_o impossible_a it_o be_v simple_o impossible_a that_o any_o touch_n of_o sin_n shall_v once_o come_v near_o his_o person_n or_o eternal_a suffering_n or_o all_o the_o particular_a punishment_n in_o the_o world_n all_o which_o come_v not_o to_o any_o one_o man_n though_o damn_v neither_o can_v come_v final_o that_o christ_n shall_v necessary_o have_v suffer_v after_o this_o life_n or_o local_o in_o hell_n there_o be_v no_o cause_n see_v these_o be_v but_o meer_v circumstance_n of_o god_n just_a punishment_n of_o sin_n whether_o now_o or_o then_o whether_o here_o or_o there_o these_o alter_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o god_n wrath_n which_o be_v the_o strength_n of_o hell_n the_o whole_a substance_n &_o nature_n of_o that_o punishment_n he_o may_v feel_v in_o this_o life_n aswell_o as_o any_o part_n god_n be_v able_a to_o inflict_v it_o aswell_o here_o as_o hereafter_o the_o rather_o see_v christ_n come_v and_o be_v send_v of_o god_n extraordinary_o of_o purpose_n to_o suffer_v for_o sin_n all_o that_o he_o may_v suffer_v thus_o then_o only_o in_o this_o life_n christ_n may_v and_o do_v suffer_v all_o for_o so_o be_v god_n ordinance_n and_o will_n as_o it_o be_v plain_o express_v unto_o we_o in_o his_o word_n therefore_o so_o we_o profess_v and_o so_o we_o believe_v by_o the_o certain_a rule_n of_o god_n word_n and_o the_o proportion_n of_o faith_n christ_n shun_v for_o our_o sake_n nothing_o which_o the_o damn_a suffer_v except_o only_a circumstance_n and_o accident_n impossible_a or_o unnecessary_a not_o any_o substantial_a point_n of_o god_n punishment_n decree_v against_o sinew_n pag_n 13._o 14._o 16._o 43._o 66._o 75._o 87._o 134._o 135._o that_o christ_n after_o his_o death_n on_o the_o cross_n go_v not_o down_o into_o hell_n in_o his_o soul_n the_o 2._o part_n of_o our_o controversy_n be_v this_o that_o christ_n after_o his_o death_n on_o the_o cross_n go_v not_o down_o into_o hell_n in_o his_o soul_n where_o note_n first_o notes_n notes_n that_o we_o understand_v hell_n proper_o and_o local_o as_o our_o common_a speech_n in_o english_a do_v usual_o take_v it_o for_o the_o very_a place_n of_o the_o damn_a after_o this_o life_n now_o against_o they_o that_o believe_v christ_n soul_n do_v go_v down_o local_o into_o hell_n thus_o i_o reason_n hell_n reason_n against_o châ—â—_n descend_v local_o be_v hell_n first_o if_o there_o be_v a_o good_a and_o sound_a general_a reason_n in_o christian_a faith_n that_o christ_n soul_n leave_v his_o body_n ascend_v up_o to_o heaven_n and_o there_o remain_v till_o his_o resurrection_n and_o if_o there_o be_v no_o special_a reason_n of_o authority_n to_o the_o contrary_a that_o his_o soul_n now_o descend_v downward_o then_o sure_o every_o good_a christian_n ought_v to_o believe_v that_o his_o soul_n ascend_v to_o heaven_n and_o descend_v not_o local_o into_o hell_n note_a two_o maâ—â—_n point_n to_o note_a but_o both_o those_o former_a point_n be_v most_o true_a first_o there_o be_v a_o good_a sound_n general_a reason_n in_o christian_a
f_z you_o object_n but_o consent_v with_o irenaeus_n before_o and_o with_o other_o after_o he_o as_o shall_v appear_v 188._o 〈◊〉_d innius_n 〈◊〉_d on_o this_o chap._n 188._o who_o be_v no_o montanist_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v true_a that_o somewhere_o he_o take_v inferos_fw-la pro_fw-la locali_fw-la determinatione_fw-la as_o he_o speak_v for_o the_o peculiar_a and_o determinat_fw-la place_n of_o the_o wicked_a decease_a that_o be_v hell_n strict_o and_o proper_o 4._o 〈◊〉_d 4._o thus_o he_o do_v in_o that_o g_o against_o martion_n with_o you_o cite_v pag._n 201._o also_o in_o that_o h_o objection_n of_o certain_a haeretike_n who_o he_o confute_v 55._o 〈◊〉_d anima_fw-la 55._o not_o the_o true_a christian_n as_o i_o you_o k_n misconceive_v they_o argue_v thus_o as_o you_o do_v in_o hoc_fw-la christus_fw-la jnfiros_fw-la adiit_fw-la ne_fw-la nos_fw-la adiremus_fw-la edition_n 188._o 〈◊〉_d title_n of_o â—ooke_n in_o â—â—â—elius_a &_o â—â—â—s_a edition_n christ_n therefore_o go_v to_o hell_n to_o the_o end_n that_o we_o may_v never_o come_v there_o he_o answer_v they_o that_o it_o be_v false_a that_o christ_n go_v to_o jnferos_fw-la in_o that_o sense_n that_o be_v to_o hell_n for_o than_o what_o difference_n be_v there_o between_o the_o wicked_a heathen_n and_o the_o godly_a christian_n if_o one_o &_o the_o same_o prison_n after_o death_n be_v for_o they_o both_o take_v it_o for_o a_o thing_n general_o grant_v in_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n be_v dead_a go_v only_o thither_o where_o the_o godly_a dead_a be_v and_o therefore_o that_o it_o be_v a_o wicked_a and_o haereticall_a thing_n to_o think_v he_o go_v where_o the_o damn_a be_v that_o be_v into_o hell_n and_o so_o he_o quite_o overthrow_v your_o opinion_n together_o with_o the_o reason_n thereof_o as_o a_o opinion_n which_o if_o any_o hold_v they_o be_v ill_o think_v of_o in_o those_o day_n 33._o 〈◊〉_d 99_o de_fw-fr â—â—â—es_fw-fr ad_fw-la lit_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 33._o thus_o also_o be_v augustin_n well_n l_o understand_v where_o he_o deny_v that_o the_o patriarch_n be_v apud_fw-la inferos_fw-la in_o hell_n namely_o the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a because_o they_o be_v in_o abrahaâ—s_n bosom_n which_o yet_o 20.15_o yet_o epist_n 5â—_n de_fw-fr civi_fw-la â—_o 20.15_o elsewhere_o he_o grant_v unto_o that_o they_o may_v be_v apud_fw-la inferos_fw-la in_o the_o world_n of_o the_o dead_a &_o namely_o where_o the_o godly_a dead_a shall_v be_v so_o that_o thus_o if_o you_o have_v but_o distinguish_v these_o and_o other_o father_n like_o word_n as_o you_o ought_v to_o have_v do_v there_o need_v no_o such_o folly_n of_o contradiction_n to_o be_v impute_v unto_o they_o as_o 204_o as_o pag._n 18â—_n 200._o 204_o you_o do_v lay_v to_o their_o charge_n in_o this_o point_n altogether_o undeserved_o which_o be_v well_o observe_v you_o shall_v see_v that_o all_o the_o father_n as_o mr_n junius_n say_v both_o greek_a &_o latin_a do_v take_v hades_n and_o inferos_fw-la promisâ—â—_n inferos_fw-la promisâ—â—_n indifferent_o for_o the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a as_o well_o pertain_v to_o that_o soul_n of_o the_o godly_a as_o to_o the_o damn_a likewise_o athanasius_n also_o say_v châ—â—â—_n say_v athanas_n incar_n châ—â—â—_n ubi_fw-la tenebatur_fw-la anima_fw-la humana_fw-la in_o morte_fw-la ibi_fw-la exhibuit_fw-la humanam_fw-la svam_fw-la animam_fw-la where_o humane_a soul_n be_v hold_v by_o death_n there_o he_o bring_v his_o humane_a soul_n mean_v nothing_o else_o but_o that_o his_o humane_a soul_n come_v under_o the_o same_o condition_n of_o death_n as_o other_o man_n soul_n do_v not_o that_o he_o go_v to_o the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a neiter_fw-mi must_v he_o be_v understand_v after_o 214._o after_o pag._n 179_o 186._o 214._o your_o partial_a translation_n but_o after_o his_o own_o language_n the_o greek_a when_o you_o say_v ex_fw-la orco_fw-la out_o of_o hell_n himself_o say_v exhadou_a out_o of_o the_o power_n of_o death_n so_o that_o châ—â—â—_n that_o de_fw-fr 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well_o as_o his_o body_n to_o come_v to_o the_o grave_a servaâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d koinoâ—â—â—â—ôpos_n â—â—â—em_fw-la morâ—â—â—_n servaâ—â—_n that_o right_a well_o prove_v he_o in_o deed_n to_o have_v be_v a_o true_a man_n and_o whole_o in_o nature_n like_o all_o other_o man_n also_o this_o be_v indeed_o the_o law_n of_o humane_a necessity_n after_o the_o like_a phrase_n as_o a_o justin_n same_o â—â—â—gi_fw-la satisfaâ—â—â—_n forma_fw-la huâ—â—â—_n mortis_fw-la â—â—â—us_fw-la â—ag_n 157._o â—efore_o 〈◊〉_d death_n &_o â—â—es_n aâ—e_v uâ—â—â—or_n the_o same_o b_o irenaeus_n and_o c_o tertullian_n also_o speak_v but_o not_o to_o go_v to_o hell_n now_o this_o death_n proper_o belong_v to_o the_o body_n of_o man_n d_o as_o it_o be_v leave_v without_o life_n also_o no_o less_o proper_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o whole_a person_n of_o man_n as_o it_o be_v dissolve_v and_o destroy_v thereby_o three_o by_o consequence_n it_o belong_v to_o both_o the_o dissolve_a part_n yea_o even_o to_o the_o immortal_a 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perhaps_o when_o it_o come_v into_o the_o common_a creed_n they_o signify_v hereby_o christ_n go_v to_o limbus_n which_o opinion_n indeed_o man_n general_o incline_v unto_o though_o erroneous_o for_o many_o year_n yet_o that_o the_o ancient_n put_v this_o descend_v to_o hade_n meaning_n limbus_n or_o howsoever_o into_o the_o vulgar_a creed_n distinct_o from_o both_o the_o other_o foresay_a clause_n i_o believe_v not_o the_o contrary_n be_v prove_v afterwards_o as_o anon_o we_o shall_v see_v but_o to_o proceed_v here_o 413.414_o â—â—rys_n hom._n civet_n &_o the_o 〈◊〉_d bol_n tom._n in_o 1._o cor._n hom._n 40._o â—â—â—asil_n in_o 〈◊〉_d 48._o â—â—â—mbr_n de_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d mort_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 10._o â—â—â—rom_n in_o 〈◊〉_d 1â—_n 14_o mcguffin_n in_o â—â—â—bol_n 〈◊〉_d 413.414_o c_o chrysostom_n and_o d_o basill_n likewise_o with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o greek_n may_v be_v note_v how_o they_o yield_v hades_n to_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o godly_a and_o just_a man_n decease_v remain_v in_o joy_n also_o ambrose_n
be_v to_o be_v consider_v who_o right_o according_a to_o all_o the_o rest_n say_v e_z soul_n depart_v from_o their_o body_n do_v go_v to_o hades_n that_o be_v to_o a_o invisible_a place_n which_o in_o latin_a we_o call_v infernum_fw-la and_o jerome_n f_z infernus_fw-la be_v a_o place_n where_o the_o soul_n be_v include_v either_o in_o rest_n or_o pain_n and_o ruffinus_n upon_o g_o descendit_fw-la ad_fw-la inferna_fw-la give_v this_o sense_n descendit_n in_o mortem_fw-la he_o submit_v unto_o death_n all_o the_o rest_n which_o h_o you_o cite_v or_o can_v cite_v have_v nothing_o contrary_a but_o rather_o consent_v herewith_o so_o that_o it_o be_v certain_a by_o all_o the_o father_n general_o 1._o that_o hades_n and_o sheol_n be_v take_v for_o death_n noâ—â—_n noâ—â—_n the_o common_a state_n of_o death_n or_o the_o invisible_a world_n of_o the_o dead_a common_a to_o the_o soul_n both_o of_o good_a and_o bad_a though_o their_o particular_a place_n be_v far_o separat_fw-la and_o distinct_a 2._o that_o christ_n go_v not_o into_o hell_n the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a as_o you_o hold_v but_o to_o the_o habitation_n of_o the_o bless_a decease_a call_v also_o by_o they_o abraham_n bosom_n which_o we_o know_v and_o you_o also_o be_v indeed_o heaven_n according_a to_o that_o word_n of_o christ_n 16._o christ_n joh._n 16_o 16._o i_o leave_v the_o world_n and_o go_v to_o the_o father_n which_o i_o have_v prove_v further_o before_o pag._n 149._o 150._o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o they_o err_v general_o as_o 21_o as_o pag._n 21_o yourself_o also_o hold_v in_o think_v that_o this_o habitation_n of_o the_o bless_a soul_n be_v beneath_o in_o the_o earth_n or_o that_o it_o be_v not_o heaven_n nevertheless_o this_o be_v the_o point_n wherein_o we_o agree_v and_o wherein_o they_o err_v not_o and_o which_o i_o cite_v they_o for_o and_o which_o be_v direct_o against_o you_o that_o hade_n which_o also_o be_v sheol_n belong_v to_o the_o bless_a soul_n decease_v aswell_o as_o to_o the_o damn_a and_o namely_o that_o christ_n go_v to_o hades_n be_v to_o go_v to_o be_v bless_v decease_v which_o in_o latin_a also_o they_o call_v jnfernun_n but_o so_o unproper_o and_o so_o unapt_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o truth_n that_o even_o this_o ill_a term_n sure_o both_o spring_v from_o error_n and_o begin_v in_o they_o their_o error_n or_o confirm_v and_o spread_v far_o this_o error_n now_o thus_o your_o vain_a boast_n of_o 41_o of_o pag._n 41_o all_o the_o father_n be_v but_o a_o bubble_n and_o that_o all_o the_o father_n without_o exception_n do_v touch_n and_o teach_v christ_n local_a descent_n to_o hell_n so_o that_o if_o you_o be_v content_a as_o 41_o as_o pag._n 41_o you_o say_v to_o be_v try_v by_o all_o the_o father_n greek_n and_o latin_a they_o quite_o overthrow_v you_o notwithstanding_o your_o great_a word_n for_o the_o truth_n be_v they_o be_v all_o against_o you_o and_o with_o we_o in_o such_o sort_n as_o i_o say_v only_o austin_n doubt_o and_o waver_o differ_v from_o all_o the_o rest_n who_o somewhere_o seem_v to_o think_v that_o inferi_n can_v be_v attribute_v to_o just_a man_n soul_n depart_v for_o thus_o doubt_o he_o speak_v ca._n speak_v aug_n de_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d ad_fw-la litter_n ca._n illud_fw-la i_o nondum_fw-la invenisse_fw-la confiteor_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o confess_v i_o have_v not_o yet_o find_v that_o inferi_n be_v name_v where_o the_o just_a man_n soul_n be_v at_o peace_n yes_o sure_o the_o ancient_n name_v the_o place_n for_o all_o the_o decease_a both_o good_a &_o bad_a inferos_fw-la like_a as_o they_o name_v where_o both_o wicked_a and_o good_a do_v live_v in_o the_o world_n 137._o world_n arnob._n psal_n 137._o superos_fw-la and_o austin_n if_o he_o have_v mark_v it_o well_o may_v have_v find_v even_o this_o which_o he_o say_v he_o find_v not_o in_o the_o latin_a translation_n of_o the_o scripture_n edit_n scripture_n psa_fw-la 88_o lat._n edit_n quis_fw-la est_fw-la homo_fw-la qui_fw-la vivet_fw-la etc._n etc._n what_o man_n be_v there_o that_o ever_o shall_v live_v and_o shall_v not_o see_v death_n shall_v he_o deliver_v his_o soul_n from_o the_o hand_n of_o inferi_n that_o be_v death_n for_o he_o can_v not_o here_o understand_v inferi_n to_o be_v the_o grave_a because_o then_o the_o soul_n must_v signify_v the_o dead_a body_n which_o a_o you_o say_v be_v more_o than_o absurd_a 168._o â—â—g_v 168._o wherefore_o the_o soul_n here_o be_v take_v proper_o for_o the_o soul_n than_o inferi_n be_v find_v apply_v to_o just_a man_n soul_n decease_v as_o well_o as_o to_o the_o wicked_a which_o augustin_n may_v have_v observe_v 15_o â—pist_v 57_o 〈◊〉_d civet_n dei_fw-la â—_o 15_o yea_o he_o himself_o b_o elsewhere_o grant_v also_o that_o the_o just_a in_o peace_n may_v be_v in_o inferis_fw-la after_o death_n and_o here_o he_o deny_v it_o but_o cold_o &_o waver_o proinde_fw-la ut_fw-la dixi_fw-la nondum_fw-la inveni_fw-la &_o adhuc_fw-la quaero_fw-la nec_fw-la mihi_fw-la occurrit_fw-la inferos_fw-la alicubi_fw-la in_fw-la bono_fw-mi posuisse_fw-la scripturam_fw-la now_o this_o be_v augustine_n difference_n herein_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v 175._o pag._n 363._o before_o pa._n 56._o pag._n 175._o if_o you_o say_v true_o that_o c_o austin_n judicial_o and_o resolute_o affirm_v it_o or_o be_v it_o not_o rather_o as_o i_o call_v it_o his_o †_o conjectural_a inclination_n yea_o his_o only_a for_o d_o fulgentius_n deny_v not_o inferos_fw-la to_o the_o godly_a decease_a nor_o that_o christ_n be_v local_o with_o they_o only_o in_o inferis_fw-la so_o that_o in_o say_v he_o be_v where_o the_o wicked_a be_v torment_v he_o mean_v that_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o common_a place_n which_o in_o whole_a he_o call_v infernum_fw-la thus_o than_o we_o may_v see_v that_o augustine_n differ_v herein_o be_v to_o little_a purpose_n 1._o because_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n before_o he_o with_o he_o and_o since_o he_o 2._o because_o we_o must_v not_o esteem_v his_o say_n by_o the_o latin_a inferi_n but_o by_o the_o original_a sheol_n and_o hades_n which_o be_v more_o against_o he_o as_o before_o i_o have_v show_v 3._o because_o it_o be_v waver_o deliver_v &_o with_o doubt_n in_o himself_o yea_o contrary_a to_o himself_o as_o i_o have_v show_v 4._o because_o he_o seck_v to_o maintain_v it_o erroneous_o for_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n and_o end_n of_o christ_n go_v to_o hell_n the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a that_o he_o may_v deliver_v some_o of_o the_o damn_a sinner_n out_o of_o hell_n torment_n quos_fw-la esse_fw-la solvendos_fw-la occultâ_fw-la suá_fw-la iusticiâ_fw-la iudicabat_fw-la which_o most_o strange_a conceit_n of_o his_o yourself_o e_o do_v confute_v right_o 199._o pag._n 199._o but_o either_o grant_v this_o end_n and_o reason_n to_o be_v true_a or_o else_o say_v his_o main_a opinion_n be_v false_a also_o that_o christ_n go_v thither_o see_v he_o make_v that_o the_o reason_n of_o this_o and_o why_o may_v not_o austin_n err_v as_o well_o in_o say_v that_o he_o go_v to_o hell_n after_o death_n as_o in_o say_v that_o he_o go_v thither_o to_o loose_v out_o of_o pain_n such_o and_o such_o it_o seem_v austin_n be_v carry_v into_o this_o conceit_n 99_o ut_fw-la neque_fw-la frutrà _fw-la illâ—c_fw-la decendisse_fw-la existimetur_fw-la nulli_fw-la â—orum_fw-la prosuâ—urus_fw-la qui_fw-la ibi_fw-la erant_fw-la epist_n 99_o because_o he_o can_v not_o imagine_v what_o f_z else_o christ_n shall_v do_v in_o hell_n and_o that_o he_o be_v there_o in_o deed_n he_o think_v because_o he_o guess_v contrary_a to_o all_o antiquity_n beside_o that_o the_o meaning_n of_o inferi_fw-la and_o hade_n can_v not_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o estate_n of_o bless_a soul_n after_o this_o life_n which_o mistake_v of_o his_o as_o also_o you_o with_o he_o be_v plentiful_o convince_v i_o hope_v before_o wherein_o i_o desire_v the_o learned_a to_o judge_v as_o for_o augustine_n oppose_v against_o this_o our_o sense_n of_o hades_n say_v in_o graecà _fw-la linguâ_fw-la origo_fw-la nominis_fw-la quo_fw-la appellantur_fw-la inferi_fw-la ex_fw-la eo_fw-la quòd_fw-la nihil_fw-la suave_fw-la habeant_fw-la resonare_fw-la perhibetur_fw-la it_o show_v his_o mistake_n more_o yea_o the_o very_a ground_n of_o all_o his_o mistake_n as_o i_o think_v first_o it_o appear_v by_o this_o that_o austin_n have_v very_o little_a knowledge_n in_o the_o greek_a see_v he_o think_v that_o hades_n shall_v original_o signify_v nihil_fw-la suave_fw-la nothing_o sweet_a i_o conjecture_v that_o he_o think_v hades_n be_v make_v of_o hedys_n sweet_a and_o α_n the_o privative_a wherein_o then_o he_o miss_v much_o for_o hade_n in_o greek_a have_v always_o iôta_n write_v under_o hades_n the_o nature_n hades_n which_o show_v that_o in_o the_o true_a original_n whence_o hade_n come_v there_o be_v the_o letter_n iôta_fw-mi express_v but_o in_o hedys_n sweet_a there_o be_v none_o the_o truth_n be_v it_o come_v
from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o see_v and_o α_n the_o privative_a as_o all_o grecian_n plato_n plutarch_n etc._n etc._n yea_o the_o father_n irenaeus_n tertullian_n ambrose_n etc._n etc._n do_v show_v and_o that_o it_o signify_v a_o invisible_a state_n after_o a_o visible_a be_v in_o this_o world_n and_o sometime_o darkness_n or_o a_o place_n of_o darkness_n not_o that_o the_o state_n of_o all_o the_o dead_a general_o be_v think_v to_o be_v in_o darkness_n but_o because_o death_n take_v they_o out_o of_o this_o cheerful_a world_n light_n and_o cover_v they_o as_o it_o be_v with_o darkness_n and_o oblivion_n from_o the_o world_n sight_n and_o knowledge_n here_o this_o etymology_n of_o hade_n be_v most_o familiar_a and_o frequent_a with_o all_o grecian_n with_o who_o it_o seem_v austin_n be_v not_o much_o acquaint_v as_o by_o this_o his_o wide_a conjecture_n we_o may_v think_v neither_o impute_v this_o i_o pray_v as_o arrogancy_n to_o i_o for_o so_o judge_v of_o such_o a_o man_n i_o think_v all_o man_n will_v so_o judge_v of_o he_o likewise_o and_o yet_o derogat_v nothing_o from_o his_o great_a desert_n in_o god_n church_n himself_o do_v sober_o acknowledge_v it_o of_o himself_o say_v 2d_o say_v contrâ—â—_n peril_n 2d_o ego_fw-la quidem_fw-la graecae_fw-la linguae_fw-la perparùm_fw-la assecutus_fw-la sum_fw-la &_o propè_fw-la nihil_fw-la true_o i_o have_v but_o little_a greck_n yea_o almost_o none_o neither_o will_v he_o here_o have_v say_v perhibetur_fw-la thus_o it_o be_v report_v touch_v the_o etymology_n of_o hades_n if_o he_o have_v pretend_v any_o skill_n in_o that_o tongue_n yea_o possidonius_fw-la in_o his_o life_n testify_v that_o he_o have_v no_o love_n to_o the_o greek_a language_n beside_o many_o other_o argument_n hereof_o if_o it_o be_v likely_a that_o i_o wrong_v he_o in_o judge_v thus_o of_o he_o wherefore_o see_n it_o be_v thus_o no_o marvel_n if_o austin_n easy_o mistake_v the_o proper_a &_o right_a meaning_n of_o hade_n &c_n &c_n than_o much_o soon_o of_o inferi_n for_o the_o reason_n 105._o reason_n pag._n â—_o treat_v 105._o before_o note_v thus_o also_o he_o may_v ready_o imagine_v heerupon_o that_o hades_n and_o inferi_n in_o scripture_n special_o be_v not_o where_o apply_v to_o bless_a soul_n which_o oversight_n in_o he_o be_v much_o more_o pardonable_a than_o it_o can_v be_v in_o you_o who_o i_o doubt_v not_o in_o the_o language_n want_v no_o skill_n if_o you_o will_v but_o sincere_o judge_v according_a to_o that_o you_o do_v understand_v yea_o and_o in_o comparison_n of_o myself_o i_o unfeigned_o confess_v that_o i_o suppose_v i_o have_v not_o see_v many_o book_n in_o the_o learned_a tongue_n which_o you_o be_v likely_a to_o have_v read_v and_o study_v nevertheless_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v that_o in_o the_o sense_n of_o these_o word_n hades_n and_o sheol_n you_o be_v great_o over_o hot_a and_o most_o of_o all_o in_o this_o unsavoury_a opinion_n come_v therefrom_o that_o christ_n soul_n after_o death_n 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