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A02483	An ansvvere to a treatise vvritten by Dr. Carier, by way of a letter to his Maiestie vvherein he layeth downe sundry politike considerations; by which hee pretendeth himselfe was moued, and endeuoureth to moue others to be reconciled to the Church of Rome, and imbrace that religion, which he calleth catholike. By George Hakewil, Doctour of Diuinity, and chapleine to the Prince his Highnesse.	Hakewill, George, 1578-1649.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Treatise written by Mr. Doctour Carier.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Copy of a letter, written by M. Doctor Carier beyond seas, to some particular friends in England.	1616 (1616)	STC 12610; ESTC S103612	283,628	378

if they had the like dispensations or Kings to Kings or Subiects to subiects And if this be not to make a meere mockery of oathes which should be made in trueth in iudgment and in iustice and consequently of religion as if indeede there were no punishment of Hell no reward of heauen I conceiue not what is and by your owne rule this contempt of religion cannot but in time drawe on the destruction of those States which thus vnder pretence of religion and obedience to their holy Father neglect and contemne it Lastly if they esteeme so little of oathes made one to another what should we expect at their hands to whom they hold Faith is not to bee held bee it neuer so solemnely plighted whereas Abraham made conscience of his oath taken to Abimelech and Iacob to Laban both Idolaters and so did they againe though Idolaters or Infidels to Iacob and Abraham But let such as maintaine that position That faith giuen or sworne to Heretikes or Infidels is not to bee held call to minde what successe it tooke at the battaile of Varna in Bulgaria in the yeere of our Lord 1404 what time Ladislaus the yong King of Polony by the dispensation of Pope Eugenius and the perswasion of Iulianus his Nuntio broke his Oath and League made with Amurath the second Emperour of the Turkes in which battell the King his horse being first killed vnder him was stricken downe and slaine the Popes Bishops that were in the field to incourage the souldiers fleeing to saue themselues fell into Bogges and Marishes and there perished Iulianus the Cardinall which with the Pope was the chiefe doer in breaking the League was found dead in the way being full of wounds and spoyled to his naked skinne and all the ditches and trenches were filled with the blood of Christians A memorable spectacle of Gods vengeance vpon the breach of oathes made euen to Infidels Discite iustitiam moniti non temnere Diuos B. C. 15. The deuill that intendeth the destruction aswell of bodies as of soules and of whole States as of particular men doth not commonly beginne with mens bodies and with matters of State but being himselfe a Spirit and the father of lies hee doth first insinuate himselfe into mens vnderstandings by false principles of religion whereunto hee hath the more easie entrance because hee hath perswaded their gouernors to beleeue that it is no great matter what opinions men hold in matters of religion so that they looke well into their actions and keepe them in obedience Which perswasion is all one as if the enemie that besiegeth a citie should perswade the garison that they might surrender the Castle to him well enough and keepe the base towne to themselues But when the deuill hath preuailed so farre as by the matters in the first truth that is of religiō to get the vnderstanding in possession which is the Castle as it were and watchtower of both the soule and bodie and state and all hee will peraduenture dissemble his purpose for a while and by slandering of the trueth and pleasing them with the trifles of the world which by Gods permission are in his power make men beleeue that the world is amended For nemo repentè fit pessimus but shortly after when hee seeth his time hee will out of his arsenale of false apprehensions in the vnderstanding send foorth such distorted engines of life and actions as will easily subdue both bodies and states and goods and all to his deuotion G. H. 15. This Section together with your former for any thing I can gather serue onely to make a large Portall to a little Cottage and wide Gates to a Citie that may runne out of it you fetch a great swinge to strike a litle blow and a full carriere to leape ouer a straw It is throughout a meere flourish rather intended as it seemes to amaze the reader as Mountebankes doe their hearers with arsenals of apprehensions and distorted engines of actions then to teach him the plaine and simple trueth scarce so good as a Metaphor which I haue heard tending to the contrary of yours that if the Faux of our concupiscence should once giue fire to the powder of our appetite it were likely to blowe vp the Parliament house of our reason The scope you driue at as I conceiue is this that the vnderstanding being misinformed in religion produceth answerable effects in the cōuersation which we as easily grant as you vnnecessarily goe about to proue The heathen Philosopher could tell vs Si cui intueri vacet quae faciunt quaeque patiuntur superstitiosi inueniet tam indecora honestis tam indigna liberis tam dissimiliasanis vt nemo fuerit dubitaturus furere eos si cum paucioribus furerent nuncsanitatis patrocinium est insanientium turba If a man had the leisure to looke on those things which men possessed with superstitious opinions both doe and suffer hee should find thē busied about matters so vnbeseeming honest minded men so vnworthy of free ingenuous spirits so vnlike the effects of sober and setled braines that a man would sweare they were starke mad were but the number of them lesse that went a madding whereas now the onely cloake to palliate and patronize their madnesse is the multitude of mad men Which words sound to me as if the marke they shoot at had been the practise of the present Church of Rome issuing from their false and superstitious opinions touching Gods worship In which whether we consider the things they doe in the administration of their Sacraments about the reliques of dead men in setting foorth the feasts of our Sauiour and the Saints or what they suffer in Pilgrimages in Penances and the like if the same things were acted but by fewe in number which now by long custome and common consent are growen familiar to them being practised by multitudes I cannot iudge them so vnwise but themselues if they stood by and looked on would iudge them mad I haue heard of a Turke who comming to Rome and beholding their most abominable and licentious disorders at their Carneuals and presently vpon it their counterfet sadnesse and hanging downe their heads like a bul●ush vpon Ashwednesday so named for the ashes which they tooke he conceiued that the sprinkling of ashes had bene a speciall remedie for the curing of madnes but to the matter It is true indeed that where Idolatrie and vngodlinesse goeth before there a giuing vp to a reprobate sence and worldly lusts follow after as S. Paul rangeth them in his first to the Romanes and his second to Titus Yet on the other side it is as true that vpon the putting away of good conscience in the entertainement of worldly lusts as often ensues a shipwrake of Faith in opening a gappe to vngodlinesse as we learne of the same Apostle 1. Tim. 1. I haue obserued it in mine owne experience and so I thinke

as the Apostle speakes an end of all strife It is the last resolution in the search of truth and in the body politique the strongest sinew next the bound of nature and conscience wherby the members are tyed to the head and the head againe to the members and the members knit among themselues for the Pope then to promise his Maiesty security and yet by this meanes to withdraw the hearts of his Subiects from their naturall allegeance is as if a man should promise secure passage ouer a Riuer and yet pull downe the bridge or take away the boats which serue for that passage His Maiestie on the other side hath declared the Pope to be Antichrist in his opinion and can hee expect honour or securitie from Antichrist who hath hitherto depended on none but CHRIST he may also be pleased to remember what securitie the two last Henries of France receiued from him Lastly if the Powder-treason were vndertaken without the Popes priuitie how can hee secure his Maiestie from the like except hee can diue into the secrets of mens harts or haue the art to foresee things to come or to charme the deuils in hell God defend vs from such securitie which hath the face of a man but the teeth of a Lyon which first lulles vs asleepe and then driues a naile into our heads My conclusion of this point shall bee that common speech of the Italians themselues Acibo bis cocto a medico indocto a vento percolato inimico reconciliato liberanos Domine from such honour as is expected from a Romish reconciled enemie Good Lord deliuer vs so that wee are verily perswaded by yeelding your necke to the yoke of Rome and perswading his Maiestie and his Subiects to doe the like you haue disclosed your hypocrisie violated your oath disgraced your nation stained your profession forsaken your duetie to your Soueraigne your respect to his Nobles and loue to his Commons and Clergy and not onely so but aswell by your example as exhortations endeuoured what in you lay by wounding euery particular member vtterly to ruine the whole body both of Church and Common-wealth from such Phisitians Good Lord deliuer vs. B. C. 46. But that I must trust to when all the rest will faile mee is the seruice of God and the sauing of my soule in the vnitie of that Church which was founded by Christ himselfe and shall continue vntill his Comming againe wherein all the Saints of God haue serued him on earth and doe enioy him in heauen without which Catholike Church there is no Communion of Saints no forgiuenesse of sinnes no hope of resurrection vnto life euerlasting I beseech your Maiestie let not Caluins Ecclesia Praedestinatorum deceiue you it may serue a Turke as well as a Christian it hath no faith but opinion no hope but pres●mption no charitie but lust no faith but a fancie no God but an Idoll for Deus est omnibus religionibus commune nomen Aug. Ep. All religions in the world begin the Creed with I beleeue in God But homini extra ecclesiam Religio sua est cultus phantasmatum suorum and error suus est Deus suus as Saint Augustine affirmeth G. H. 46. It seemes then you trusted little to the effectuating of these idle phantasticall proiects whereabout you haue made so much adoe and so many vaine flourishes and indeed your confidence could not bee so little as you had little reason to bee confident they should take effect That Church which was founded by Christ himselfe and shall continue vntill his comming again wherinal the Saints of God haue serued him on earth and do enioy him in heauen without which there is no communion of Saints no forgiuenes of sinnes no hope of resurrection vnto life euerlasting is indeed the true Catholike but not the Rom. Church it being founded by Christ before his Comming in the flesh and shall continue vntill his comming againe but not as tied to any certaine place in it all the Saints of God serued him on earth as the Patriarches and Prophets who liued some of them before the foundation of Rome without it there is no Communion of Saints no forgiuenesse of sinnes no resurection vnto life euerlasting which no doubt by Gods mercies and Christes merits would still remaine though Rome were turned into ashes and the Pope into nothing howbeit as a late writer hath well obserued ignorance is now become generally so powerfull a tyrant as it hath set true Philosoiphie Physicke and Diuinitie in a pillorie and witten ouer the first Contra negantem principia ouer the second virtusspecifica and ouer the third Ecclesia Romana making it the onely market or rather Monople both for deuotion and saluation That there is a visible Church in which the Elect and Reprobate are blended together in the outward profession of supernaturall verities and the precious meanes of saluation nay in the illumination of the minde and sundrie inward graces Caluine denieth not but that none are true and liuely members of the mysticall body of CHRIST which hee hath ransomed with his blood and doeth quicken and formalize with his Spirit and will finally crowne with eternall blisse saue the Congregation or Church of the first borne whose names are written in heauen hee truely affirmeth And if Caluin deceiue vs herein so doeth S. Augustine too who in his third booke of Christian doctrine and 32. Chapter disputing against Ticonius who had called the mysticall bodie of CHRIST which is most properly and principally the Church a body bipartie as including both good and bad vseth these wordes Non ita debuit appellari non enim reuera Domini corpus est quod cum illo non erit in aeternum It ought not so to haue beene called in as much as it is not truely the bodie of CHRIST which shall not euerlastingly bee with him nay not onely Caluin and Augustine deceiue vs but S. Paul in the fourth to the Ephesians the fifteenth and sixteenth verses and againe in the fift Chapter of the same Epistle the 25. and 26. verses but for the better clearing of this point wee must conceiue that the Elect or Predestinate of God are of two sorts some elect onely and not yet called some both elect and called of the latter there is no question but they are the principall parts of the Church of God and touching the former they are not actually in the Church but onely potentially in Gods prescience and predestination who hath purposed that they shall bee and knoweth that they will bee when wee say then that none but the Elect of God are of the Church of God wee meane not that others are not at all nor in any sort of the Church but that they are not fully and finally of the speciall number of them who pertake of the most perfect worke force and vertue of that sauing grace whereof that Church is the onely dispenser Neither can this Church serue a Turkes turne aswell as

man of their owne side reiects it as a meere ●able for hee reports that hauing for the space of full seauen yeeres fought with diuers diseases and griefes yet was he therefore neuer a whit lesse diligent in his function nor absteined from continuall writing and at length died of the disease called the difficulty of breathing Nay Genebrard though farre from the ingenuitie of Thuanus and one that raileth most impotently vpon Caluin yet durst not charge him herewith and was ashamed to defile his Chronicle with such an impudent lie Fr. Iunius saith that hee was at Geneua then wen Caluin dyed yet neither saw nor heard nor knew nor perceiued any such thing nor so much as euer dreamed of any such matter In a word he was visited in his sickenesse by sundrie excellent personages by the Syndicks of the Citie by the Ministers by others all which are witnesses of the sickenesse whereof hee dyed And Theod. Beza who faithfully wrote his life and death whereof as he saith hee had beene a spectator sixteene yeeres together testifieth that in him was proposed vnto all a most excellent patterne of Christian both life and death which saith he is as easie to calumniate as it is hard to imitate These things considered I referre mee now vnto the Readers indifferencie whether is more worthy of credite the whole Citie of Geneua and so many notable men present at his sicknesse and death and testifying of his peaceable holy and Christian departure or one Hieron Bolseck a Knight of the poste twice banished thrice a runagate who of a Carmelite became a Physitian or rather a Quacksaluer a sworne enemie to Caluin one that had beene from Geneua more then ten yeeres together and had sold his pen vnto his Lords and friends to defame Caluin And thus much in defence of those men whom the Dr. termeth the Monsters of our age Now although the vnhappy end of some particular men be no demonstratiue proofe and scarce a coniecturall signe of the falshood of that religion which they professe and that Church in which they make their last end yet that it may appeare in requital of the Dr. or rather the Cardinal how vnhappily some zealous persecutors of such as haue forsaken fellowship with the Church of Rome haue ended their liues I could referre the Reader to a large Discourse touching that point toward the end of the second part of the Acts and Monuments and also in Hassenmullerus in the conclusion of his booke Neither can the like iust exception bee taken against their euidences as against that of Bolseck and Cochlaeus But I will content my selfe with the testimonie of Thuanus a professed member of that Church which Mr. Doctor cals Catholike yet such a one as besides his great paines and diligence in the search of trueth had singular meanes for the finding of it out himselfe being now President in the Court Parliament of Paris where his father had bin Premier President before him This man then testifies first of the Cardinall of S. Andrewes in Scotland who condemned George Wiseheart vnto the fire that standing at a window sumptuously set forth with cushions and hangings of silke to behold his execution George being exhorted when the fire began to burne to be of good courage This flame indeed answered hee is painefull to my bodie but it doth no whit dismay my minde but hee that now from aloft lookes downe so proudly vpon me as arrogantly as now he sits so ignominiously within these fewe dayes shall hee lie along which soone after came to passe for being miserably slaine his dead body was in the open sight of all laide along in the same window from whence he had so ioyfully beheld the burning of Wiseheart And so the euent saith Thuanus verified his Prophecie Iohn Roman a Monke and cruell persecutor inuented a new kind of torment for the persecuted he would draw vpon their legs boots full of hote boiling grease and then setting spurres vpon their heeles iestingly would demand of them whether they were not sufficiently appointed for their iourney But vnderstanding that a summons was granted out against him by the Parliament of Aix to answere for his cruelties and that by the commandement of Francis the I hee fled vnto Auinion where thinking himselfe safe from men yet hee escaped not saith Thuanus the vengeance of God For he was spoiled by his owne seruants of all that he had and brought to extreme pouertie his body also was so full of loathsome vlcers that oftentimes he wisht for death which yet he could not obtaine but after a long time and horrible torments Oppeda another bloody persecutor being called to answer for his more then barbarous cruelties in the Parliament of Paris by the appointment of the said King Francis scaped indeed that danger by the commendation of the Guise and together with his Collegues was restored vnto his former dignity neuerthelesse soone after he was striken with horrible paines in his entrailes wherewith he was a long time tormented and at length in the mids of most cruell torments breathed forth his cruell soule God saith Thuanus inflicting on him that iust punishment which the iudges exacted not which though it were long in comming yet fell the more heauily when it came Albaspineus when Protestants were brought forth to execution aduised to stop their mouthes that they might not speake vnto the people Not long after falling deepely in loue with a certaine woman he fel withal out of his wits and being strikē also with the lowzie disease he died in most grieuous torments his friends putting a bridle into his mouth to force him to receiue some sustenance which yet he frantikely refused hauing decreed to famish himselfe because of the vnsufferablenesse of his paines Ponsenatius another butcher being fallen into great debt hauing riotously wasted both his owne patrimony and his wiues dowry vpon conscience of his wicked life fell likewise mad whereupon despairing of his saluation being chained vp by his friends with lamentable shrikings and rending of himselfe hee finished his life in extreme pouerty Finally Cardinall Crescentius the Popes Agent in the Council of Trent hauing spent much of the night in writing letters to the Pope and at length rising from his chaire he seemed to see a dog which with huge iawes firie eyes and eares hanging downe to the ground furiously came towards him and by and by couched vnder the table then calling his seruants and light being brought when hee saw the dog no where appeare he was astonished at it and thereupon fell into many sad cogitations and so into sicknesse which he no sooner felt but presently hee despaired of life although his Physicians and friends gaue him good hope of recouery At last being caried from thence to Verona and euen at deaths dore he would often call vpon them that attended him to take heed of the dog and to keepe him from comming vpon his