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A90953 A breife relation, of some of the most remarkable pasages of the Anabaptists in high and low Germany in the year, 1521. &c. Gathered out of the writings of Sleyden, Antonius, Servanus, Lambertus, John Gastio, and others who write of their practises. And Bullinger, Luther, Melancthon, Calvin, Vrsinus, and others who write against their heresies. By George Pressick, of Dublin in Ireland. Pressick, George. 1661 (1661) Wing P3295; Thomason E1047_5; ESTC R208094 24,194 24

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we demand if that body of Jesus Christ which was in the stomacks of the Apostles if it did also sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended and buffeted by the souldiers for if it did sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended under the species in the stomacks of the Apostles it was passable and also the souldiers that must buffet it must be put under the same species but if it did not sweat nor was not apprehended nor buffeted under these kinds then there as wat the same time a lesus Christ suffering and a Jesus Christ not suffering and so by consequence who was not our Saviour Fifthly the body of Jesus Christ celebrating the Sacrament was weak passable and mo●●●…l but the body which the Apostles received of him was impassible and could suffer nothing Let our adversaries prove if any ought to receive their opinion which giveth unto Jesus Christ at the same time two bodies of contrary natures or at least one body contrary to it self Sixthly when Victor the 3 Pope of that name was poysoned in the Challice and Henery the 7. in the Host we demand what that was which was poysoned for to say the body of Jesus Christ was poysoned is to prophane his body what was it then with which they killed a Pope and a good Emporour let them answer c. Seventhly but seeing we and you both agree that Jesus Christ at the institution of this Sacrament he did eat and drink with his disciples We demanded did Jesus Chist eat his own body and what profit that would be either to him or us but if there be a corporall bodily substantiall presence of Christs body and bloud in the Sacrament by a change or conversion of the bread and wine into the same body and bloud after the words of Consecration as you say there is then he must needs eat his own body and drink his own bloud which we put you to prove if you say the outside of the body is within the body it s all one as if you should say the sheath is within the sword c. Eighthly if Christs body be eaten corporally in the Sacrament and that all that eate his flesh and drink his bloud have eternall life as John 6.54 which you apply to the Sacrament then should wicked men as well as the faithfull have eternall life for they eat that which you say is the flesh and bloud of Christ as well as the faithfull if there be a corporal presence in the Sacrament Christ said his body was the bread his bloud it was the wine they eat they drank yet he their shewed their feeding was divine Ninthly we demand how you prove it lawfull to pray in a language not understood of him that prayeth seeing the Apostle in the 1 Cor. 14.19 saith I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voyce I might teach others than ten thousand words in an unknown tonge and vers 14.15 If I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitfull therefore I will pray with the spirit and will pray with understanding also c. Tenthly we demand how you prove that we ought to adore the Crosse with the same odoration that God is worshipped withall as Thomas and many other Doctors of the Church of Rome teacheth and if when the Preists saith to the Cross All hale triumphal wood that wood understands what the Preist saith seeing he speaks to the wood and where God hath commanded us to honour him thus Eleventhly we demand how you prove it lawfull to have the Image of God or of the Trinity in Churches represented in stone or in pictures seeing God hath forbidden it Deut. 4.15 16. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horch out of the midst of the fire Lest you corupt your selves and make you a graven image the likenesse or simil●tude of any figure the likenesse of male or female c. Twelfly seeing the Church of Rome holdeth that Infants which dye shortly after Baptisme go straight way into paradise We demand whence it commeth that the Preists takes money to pray and say Masses for them and what profit redoundeth thereof unto their children Thirtenthly where is it that God hath Commanded that we should offer Iesus Christ as a Propitiatory sacrifice for the quick and dead seeing that you say the Priests calling is that they are established to sacrifice Jesus Christ Wee demand where in what Scripture God hath established them sacrificers seeing that Jesus Christ doth not give that quality to his disciples and the new Testament doth not in any place call the pastors of the Church Sacrificers 14ly We demand if in the holy Scriptures there be any command not to eat flesh on Friday c. seeing that Friday was the day in which Jesus Christ did eate the pascall lamb and that the Apostle in the 1 Tim. 4.1 3. sayes they are seducers and calls it the doctrine of the devil to forbid marriages and command Abstinence from meates which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving 15ly When there were many Popes at once and the strongest Pope carryed it how will you prove that the strongest was the lawfull Pope for if you prove not that the succession hath often been interrupted and they that followed are successors of usurping Popes being chosen by Cardinalls created by the preceding Pope who not being the lawfull Pope had no Just authority to create Card●nalls nor those Cardinalls to chose a Pope 16ly How do you prove that the blessed Virgin Mary was rapt up in body into heaven and there crowned Queen of heaven for seeing she is so represented in your Churches and the people taught so we demand how you prove it to be so 17ly We say that the Munks and Friars as they stand at this day are those the Apostle foretold of Col. 2.18 that do in voluntary humility worship angels and pray to them not holding the head which is Christ and therefore not holding the head there is no salvation to be had in any other they also teach the people in some things touch not tast not handle nor which all are to perish though they have a shew in will-worship and humility and neglecting of the body to the satisfying of the flesh By George Pressick
miscarried in the tumult and now they being masters of the City began to order their new state they made two Consulls Knipperdoling and Kapinbrook and two and twenty Senatore or Aldermen that had the civil power and the Prophets wereto rule matterrs of religion under which name they governed Church and Common-wealth for all matters were within the compasse of religion and what ever a Prophet said to be revealed to him passed for law the must famous of these Prophets was John Matthias a Baker of Harlem who was in effect a perpetuall Dictator in Munster that made lawes and thanged them at his pleasure by him was the aforesaid Order made his chief adjunct was John of Leyden and the next was Bernard Kniperdoling and by a revelation of John Matthias an order was made upon pain of death that all the gold and silver and moveable goods in the town should be brought to the common stock For which they appointed a publick house the order was obeyed more for fear than conscience For two maides prophetesses took upon them to find out the fraud to that common stock were brought all the goods of those that were driven out of the City with that common stock they kept four great Ordinaries where all fed in common none being allowed to diet at home unlesse he were sick plenty of provision they had and they husbanded it very ill feasting every day untill the Bishop beseidged them and began to cut off their victualls and then they stinted themselves but with too large allowance for the Towne was so strong by nature besides the fortification that the Bishop despaired to take it but by famine The Prophets then turned their care to the spirituall government Commanding that none should keep any bookes but Scripture and all the books that could be found but Bibles were brought to a publique place and burned from executing of books they fell to execution of persons For Hubart Trutling a bl●ck-smith seeing John Matthias pass by said there goes a shitten Prophet for this offence he was brought before the congregation and condemned to death John Matthias would himself be the executioner and first he wounded him with an halbart and after shot him through with a pistoll and then pardons him saying that God was appeased and that he had a revelation the man should not die which proved false for the poor man died in a few daies after we may from hence see the truth of that in the 12 of Proverbs the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel though they call themselves Saints Prophets But John Matthias to make amends for his false revelation when the man vvas dead runs in a mad mood through the Citty bearing a pike Crying that God the father had commanded him to drive the enemies from the Citty and so rushed alone into the enemies Camp to drive them away and was their slaine John Matthias being dead John of Leyden comforted the people saying that he knew long before by revelation that John Matthias should die that death and that himself should marry his wife which he did shortly after though he had one before but she was one of singular beauty able to make a lusty young Prophet of about six and twenty yeares old as he was to preach up the Doctrin of poligamy which he did shortly after and had Fifteen wives but he fell to other work before to make way for that in the interim Knipperdoling came forth with a revelation that they that were in high places should be brought down to the lowest and the lowest raised up to the highest We have seen this by wofull experience acted amongst our selves But John of Leyden met him with another revelation that seeing it was the heavenly fathers pleasure that those that were highest should be brought lowest he was sent of God to put down Knipperdoling from his place of Conful and to make him the hangman and for that purpose he gave him from God a sword to execute Justice But there was need of more revelations for the alteration of government John of Leyden was led by a propheticall spirit upon the City walls where he put off his cloths and ran naked through the Citty crying the kingdome of Sion is come the kingdome of Sion is come By which we may take notice by the way that our Quakers and Ranters are acted by the same deluding spirit that John of Leyden was acted by then John of Leyden returned home and falls into a deep propheticall sleep and dreames three dayes and three nights together and being awaked he comes forth and speakes not a word but by signs calls for a table book as Zachariah did and there he writes down the names of twelve men coblers and tinkers all trades men but on Gentleman of the Citty to these he assigned the government of the commonwealth putting down the order set up by John Matthias affirming that was the Fathers good will which he had received by revelation In that table-book also he writ and charged the preachers to teach the people or else he would have it ratified by the congregations which was that a man is not tyed to one wife but that he may marry as many as he pleaseth when his Doctors would not approve of that monstrous paradox he cited them before his twelve Magistrates there he recoverd his tongue keeping a great clamour and throwing down his clothes upon the ground and the new testament upon them swearing by that holy book that the doctrine which he had announced was revealed unto him from heaven and threatned that if they consented not God would withdraw his mercy from them and to testifie his evidence of spirit and Power he commanded the first opposer of that new Gospell to be beheaded which was presently done and for three dayes together they preached for confirmation of that opinion but the best confirmation was his own practice for presently he married three wives one of which was the relict of the grand prophet John Matthias and married again and again untill he had Fifteen wives many followed his example and it became a matter of great praise to have many wives This seemes to have been the first motive to move him to broach that doctrine A souldeir of the Bishops having changed partyes was harboured in the house where John of Leyden lay and he observed in the night that this holy Prophet left his own bed and went to the servant womans bed John of Leyden perceiving he was discovered calls the souldier aside and gives him gold to keep his Counsell but after mistrusting the souldiers toung he thought it safer to countenance the fact by a publique doctrine of the lawfullness to have many wives this doctrine then was readily imbraced by those whose Age and temper was ablest to consult with flesh and bloud none refrayning himself from having many wives for want or Coveteousness for their wives were kept upon the common stock and after receiving that law