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A10442 A confutation of a sermon, pronou[n]ced by M. Iuell, at Paules crosse, the second Sondaie before Easter (which Catholikes doe call Passion Sondaie) Anno D[omi]ni .M.D.LX. By Iohn Rastell M. of Art, and studient in diuinitie Rastell, John, 1532-1577. 1564 (1564) STC 20726; ESTC S102930 140,275 370

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