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The true Christ owned in a few plain words of truth, by way of reply to all such professors or profane who lay to the charge the elect people of God called Quakers that they deny the bloud of Christ, and his body, and resurrection, and that they deny the Lord that brought them, and trample the blood of the Covenant under their feet ... / by William Bayly.
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Bayly, William, d. 1675.
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THE True Christ Ovvned IN A few Plain Words of Truth by way of Reply to all such Professors or Profane who lay to the charge of the Elect People of God called Quakers That they deny the Bloud of Christ and his Body and Resurrection and that they deny the Lord that bought them and trample the Blood of the Covenant under their feet This is the great Out-cry in the Mouthes of such as know not what they say nor whereof they affirm lifting up their Voices like the unbelieving Jews of Heresie and Blasphemy against us and all this is because we answer not their Wils and the Imaginations of their dark mind but according to the Manifestation of God in every mans Conscience as the true Apostles and Ministers of Christ did and according to the Scriptures of Truth which Holy Men of God spake forth as they were moved by the Holy Ghost as will plainly appear to all whose Eye the Lord hath opened which may give much satisfaction to such as sincerely desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus and walk in it for whose sake and the Vindication of the Truth and People of God is this written By WILLIAM BAYLY London Printed in the Year 1667. The Preface READER who ever thou art consider seriously that the things of God and the true knowledge of them are of deep and weighty concernment and there are but few in comparison that have attained to the true and right knowledge of the Mysteries of his everlasting Kingdom notwithstanding their great noise and talk of Profession the things that truly belong to their peace are hid from their Eyes and their House is desolate and so will remain till they are turned from the Darkness to the Light of Christ which shines in their hearts as it is written God who commanded Light to shine out of darkness hath also shined in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ Mark here what gives the true knowledge of the things of God which the natural man understands not because they are spiritually discerned it is the Light which shines in the hearts of people which is the Maifestation of the Spirit of God given to every man to profit withal and except people be turned to this and learn of it they can never be profited in the Way and Worship and true Knowledge of God Therefore while People are from th Gift of God in them they put Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light And so if thou wouldst have a clear and right understanding of these things and be fully satisfied in thy own mind concerning them thou must wait in the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ for Counsel and Instruction for no man can know the things of God but by the Spirit of God who giveth his Holy Spirit to them that rightly ask it of him to which I shall leave thee to be led into the right understanding hereof that the things belonging to thy Souls peace may not be hid from thee The First Query and Charge 1. DO you Quakers own that Blood of Christ which was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem upon the Cross which when the Souldier thrust in his Spear forthwith there came Water and Blood and they that saw it bare Record that this was visible Blood which came out of the side of the visible Man Christ Do you own Justification by this Blood which was visible which we do believe you do not For we could never hear you directly answer us to this matter but evade it by other terms and shuffle it off not daring to shew your Faith and Principle in this particular so that we conclude and publish that you are them that deny Justification alone by the visible Blood of the visible Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary Thus said Matthew Caffen Answer As for the word visible Blood and visible Man which thou so much talkest of in this kind they are terms quite beside the Language of the Scriptures of Truth or else I am very ignorant of such Translations But we do as really own our Justification by the Blood of Jesus Christ the onely begotten Son of God as the Apostles and Saints of old did without any evasion or shuffling according to their very meaning and plain Declaration who said If we are in the Light as he is in the Light then have we fellowship one with another mark in what their fellowship was Is yours in the Light and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 You may see here is nothing mentioned of the word visible And again John 6.53 Then Jesus said unto them Verily verily I say unto you Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood ye have no Life in you Whoso eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life and I will raise him up at the last day For my Flesh is meat indeed and my Blood is drink indeed He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him c. These words of Truth we own and witness but your word visible Flesh and visible Blood which you would strain us up to express to answer your wills and dark imaginations we do not read from Christ nor his Apostles in all the Scriptures So we desire all People to take notice of the ground these People have to say we deny the Blood of Christ for because I did not answer Matthew Caffen in a late Discourse about these things in the express tearm visible it being not according to the form of sound words he therefrom concluded that we deny the Blood of Christ that we do not own justification by it who might as well conclude the same of Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ as of us for not using the word visible when they express the Flesh and Blood of Christ yea of Christ himself who leaves out that expression which they so much contend about and on the contrary saith The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life John 6.62 63. Then tell me O ye Professors of Christ's and his Apostles words who say they are your Rule What is that Flesh that is meat indeed And what is that Flesh that profits nothing seeing both are the words of Truth And again take the words of Peter a Minister of the Word which endureth for ever to the Elect that were scattered throughout several Places 1 Pet. 1.18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye are not redeemed with corruptible things as Silver and Gold from your vain conversation received by tradition from your Fathers but with the precious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot Why do you not here find fault with Peter for not using the word visible instead of precious which was my term several times to thee and thy Companions in that
Discourse which ye would not receive as satisfactory to you so ye may as well be unsatisfied and contend with Peter and Christ and Paul and the Scriptures of Truth throughout as with us about the word visible and call them Sophisters and Blasphemers as thou M. C. calledst me when I spake their words without adding or diminishing as may appear hereafter And again see the Testimony of John a Servant of God who bare record of the Word of God and of the Testimony of Jesus Christ and of all things that he saw Rev. 1.1 2. and in chap. 7. vers 14. And he said unto me these are they that came out of great Tribulation and have washed their Robes and made them white in the Blood of the Lamb he doth not say in the visible Blood of the Lamb they have washed their Robes So though you thus exclaim against us in these things and brand us with Heresie c. yet we have and do see whose eyes the Lord hath opened more for us then are or ever shall be against us for we have the Witness of God and of all his faithfull Servants and Ministers and the Testimony of his own Son on our side and if ye had understood their Words and Writings which ye so much talk of ye would easily understand our Faith and Principles concerning these Matters but as Christ said in those dayes concerning the zealous outside Professors so say I now I thank thee O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth that thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent of the World and hast revealed them to Babes c. And much more might be spoken as to this particular of the Blood of Christ but in the mouthes of two or three Witnesses let these things be established which when people come to understand aright with a spiritual discerning they will not cry out against us that we deny the Blood of Christ and trample the Blood of the Covenant under our feet as these men have done through their ignorance the Lord give them Repentance and forgive them for they know not what they do for the Blood of the Covenant is that which sanctifieth and without holiness or sanctification no man shall see the Lord and this we do not trample on or count an unholy thing but do praise the Lord that bought us that we are made witnesses of it and do acknowledge our Salvation as the Apostle Paul and Silvanus and Timotheus did to the Church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 2.13 to be through the Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth Thus were they chosen from the beginning to Salvation as ye may read And these thing we do not count unholy but do prize and esteem them more then all the visible perishing things in the whole World though you have thus belyed and reproached us The second Query and Charge 2. BVt do you own Salvation by the Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary and that was baptized of John in Jordan and that preached in the World and was crucified dead and buried and rose again the third day and ascended into Heaven and there sitteth at the Right-hand of God and shall come again to judge the World now mark If we speak the Truth in the uprightness of our hearts and say yea to all this it doth not at all satisfie them but they further proceed with terms beyond what is written But do you believe in the visible Man Christ with flesh and bones which the People fastned their eyes on when he read in the Book of Isaiah So that Christ Jesus was a visible Man with Flesh and Bones as he himself said to Thomas A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have so they did see him after he was risen from the dead and this was visible Do you Quakers own Salvation alone by this visible Person Christ Jesus for we believe you do not because you preach up a Light within and not the visible Man Christ for Salvation and so we publish you to be them that deny the Lord that bought them and so are of Antichrist and false Prophets This was the sum of Matthew Caffen's Question and Charge in that late Discourse against us who makes it his work to revile the Truth and them that do witness it revealed in the inward parts where God doth require it Psal 51.6 Answer The former Part is here answered already with a word of Truth yea and as to the latter part thereof I have this to say That we do not deny but own and believe that he was the Son of God and the true Christ and the Saviour of the World that did appear to his Disciples and did eat and drink with them and talk with them after he was risen from the dead who said A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have and all that is or was spoken and written by the Prophets and Apostles of Christ concerning him what he was or what he did or said we do really believe without any equivocating as some of you usually charge us with and with reservations to which we may say as the Apostle If our Gospel be hid or reserved it is hid to them that are lost whose minds the God of this World hath blinded that do not believe lest the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ who is the Image of God should shine unto them read 2 Cor. chap. 4. throughout you that talk against the Light within and understand what ye reade and what ye are crying out against it 's no less than the Son of God if you will believe Paul who witnessed the Son of God revealed in him and Christ the Son of God said I am the Light of the World But as to your Charge I say further That we own Salvation by no other Christ then him the true Apostles preached nor no other Gospel or Name under Heaven by which men shall be saved but by Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday to day and for ever And for the word visible its yours and not Christs nor his Apostles nor mine and so I leave it out and keep to the Form of sound words as the Apostle exhorts and not meddle with it lest I add to his words and he reprove me but he that took upon him the likeness of sinful Flesh and the form of a Servant and was found in fashion as a Man and made in the likeness of Men being in the form of God thought it not robery to be equal with God this Christ Jesus we own and witness Salvation by and by no other Phil. 2.6 7 8. And though Christ Jesus spoke at that time and upon that occasion of his Flesh and Bones that they might believe that it was he that was risen from the dead whom the chief Priests Scribes Pharisees and Elders had caused to be crucified which before he had declared to