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A70943 An answer to Mr. William Prynn's twelve questions concerning church government at the end whereof, are mentioned severall grosse absurdities, and dangerous consequences of highest nature, which do necessarily follow the tenets of Presbyteriall, or any other besides a perfect independent government : together with certaine qveries. Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648. 1644 (1644) Wing R1665; ESTC R17515 26,672 28

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the obtaining and exercising dominion over the consciences of your brethren Oh the impartiality and falshood of a mans owne heart and understanding At the beginning of this Parliament the whole Kingdome sided with both Houses in the vindication of their Liberties and so it continued untill such as did overmuch idolize Presbytery prevailed for a Bill to damne Episcopacie root and branch that Presbytery might succeed it with its fascibus fustibus with its Pentifiealibus Synodalibus nothing to be abated which concerned either wealth or jurisdiction only an Episcopall tyranny to be exchanged for a Presbyteriall slavery which so soone as the Court Clergie discovered they quickly plotted a countermine they quickly prevailed to bring Armes into the Field for asserting the Nationall Church Government and Discipline established by Law and thus betweene Episcopacie and Presbytery between the covetous and aspiring dominering Clergie-men of War on both sides not only the Grand Designe the vindication of our just Liberties through Gods just judgement is well neare blasted which was so likely to be compassed by a universall union and concurrence without the least bloodshed save of some few notorious Delinquents and in stead thereof by their severall and yet joynt contrivances like Sampsons Foxes the depraved Clergie-men of both sides have engaged all three Kingdomes in so violent and execrable a Civill Warre to the destruction and sudden death of so many thousand Christians Protestants as the whole Christian World in so short a time had never felt the like Can Mr. Pryn deny but that the parties now in Armes at least the Grand Instruments those principall Engines which set all the wheeles a running till they are growne quite giddy may notwithstanding their subtle carriage of it be justly denominated Episcopall and Presbyteriall have they not as the Prophet Daniel saith 11. 39. divided the Kingdomes betwixt them at present and as Esaiah tells us 56. 11. doe they not looke to their owne way only whilest every one has his chiefe aime at the gaine which comes from his quarter nay hath not each of them designed to reduce all three Kingdomes totally to their command and bondage hereafter may not the Apostle James his reprehension bee thought purposely directed to them From whence come warres and fightings among you come they not hence even of our lusts James 4 1. aut Caesar aut nullus nothing will serve their turnes lesse than absolute conquest of the Kingdome of the whole man both soule and body imprisonment and banishment fire and sword to all alike to Independents as well as to Papists though the Papists till they renounce some certaine tenets can be true to neither but the Independents unto either as well as the Apostles and Primitive Christians were to the Antichristian Roman Emperours Did Micah to whom the Word of the Lord came c. 1. 1. tell the Jews how they hated the good and loved the evill that they plucked off the skin and flesh from their bones that they did eat the flesh of Gods people and flay'd their skin from off them that they brake their bones and chopp'd them in peeces as for the pot and as flesh within the caldron they build up Sion with bloud and Jerusalem with iniquity the heads thereof judge for reward the Priests teach for hire and the Prophets thereof divine for money yet will they say is not the Lord amongst us Micah 4. 2. 3. 10. 11. and may it not now as truly if not then Prophetically be said of too too many on both sides at present that they seeke to settle uniformity and build up a Nationall Church in bloud and rapine did Micah then tell the Jewes v. 11. That their Heads did judge for reward and may it not now be said as truly that neither widow nor fatherlesse neither poore nor oppressed can tell whom to flye to for reliefe or comfort no Saint to helpe them within hearing the Drummes and Trumpets with imminent necessities are made excuses to continue the whole Kingdomes in unsufferable miserie except such as can make friendship by their unrighteous mammon which they have got with fishing in these troubled waters Luke 16. 9. may it not now be said as justly that the Priests of both sides the Episcopall and Presbyteriall Clergie do teach for hire and prophesie for money doth not the same Prophet Micah say truly of them He that putteth not into their mouthes they even prepare War against him doe they not with the most prostitute Popelings cry out No penny no Pater noster Is not maintenance maintenance the burthen of all their Parlour or Pulpit pastime and why should they so sacrilegiously set a price on that which is but supposititious the phancie of their owne braines the reall truth whereof God required all true Disciples to give for nothing Mat 10 8. Es. 55. 1. 2. or why should people be forced to buy the chaffer of these Clergie-merchants rather than the wares or labour of a Shoomaker or porter would not such dealing be damned for an unjust monopoly which yet these encroachers practise without a patent if any but themselves should doe the like nay why must we be forced to pay these mercenary Clergie-men for such counterfeit service and ministration which others will discharge better and that for nothing is not this the greatest infringing of the Subjects propriety which the Kingdome suffers I say not this to under value the Ministery of the Gospell or to disswade an ample and abundant maintenance to such as truly labour in Gods Vineyard but to exaggerate the heynousnesse of those that do not only set as they pretend the inestimable treasure of the Gospell the unvaluable Word of God to sale as if it were an unholy thing Heb. 10. 29. but as much as in them lyes compell all people and Nations by fire and sword to buy trash and trumpery in stead thereof and that at what price they themselves please And lastly as Micah pronounced a curse upon the Israelites for these iniquities of theirs v. 12. so have we instead of peace and propriety nothing remaining besides direfull Wars and barbarous devastations and instead of a Nationall Church through Gods just judgements we see three Nations weltering in one anothers blood If then we have thus fallen into these miseries may we not by retrograding get cut againe if Episcopacie and Presbytery have set the State on fire through an ambitious desire of Empire together with a pestilent spirit of persecuting one another may not the serving both alike reduce us to quietnesse againe they are these pretended Clergy-men that love to be called the great Rabbies and Doctors that affect the uppermost seats at feasts and meetings Mat. 23. 6. 7. these thinke the Blessed Spirit departed from all the Saints to be retreated and confined unto their breasts they will allow no body to Prophesie besides themselves contrary to Pauls testimony 1 Cor. 14. 31. in which respect the people being for the most part bred up