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A40787 The snake in the grass further discovered, or, The Quakers no Christians proving out of their own writings, that they deny, I. The Scriptures to be the Word of God, II. Baptism, and the Lord's Supper, III. The manhood of Christ, &c. : with an account of their canons, constitutions, ecclesiastical order and discipline. Faldo, John, 1633-1690. 1698 (1698) Wing F305; ESTC R40574 226,252 360

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doubt not the truth of Nailor's speech and that the Apostles and Disciples of Christ were all strangers to such a Conversion Before I part with this Subject it will not be unmeet § 3 to inform you what they mean by the Lords Supper which they own But if you eat in remembrance of him and so come to die to that which slew him then do you shew the Lords p. 57. Naylor Love to the lost death till he come and when he comes he shall not find you eating and drinking with the drunken c. So that mortification to sin taken in the best sense is with him the Lords Supper but in his own sense it is a dying to all that doth not obey the Christ of the Quakers The light within At another turn it is somewhat else and quite p. 56. contrary Which all know who come to his Supper where the Father and the Son are come in and sup with the Creature which all the Imitators and Observers of times are ignorant of whose contention is about outsides In the words cited before it was a Fast a Popish cruciating Fast But this last cited a Feast a Spiritual Feast and the Feast is constituted of the coming of the Father and the Son supping with the Creature whereas before his mind was that when Christ comes the Supper is ended but now it is no other but Christ himself present But the strangest Supper of the Lord is expressed by the same Author in these P. 54. words And this was to be done at all seasons when they eat and drink in their eating and drinking they were to do it to the Lord and therein to have Communion with his Body and Bloud yea when they were to eat with Gentiles they were to partake of the Table of the Lord as is plain 1 Cor. 10. Thus hath the Lord given up these people to confusion § 4 Sometimes the Lords Supper is quite gone and done away then it remains but 't is a fasting from and dying to sin and what they call Excess Then it is Spiritual and within and Christs coming makes the Supper And last of all 't is every meal you eat and every draught you drink you ought therein to remember the Lords death till he come at breakfast dinner supper and afternoons luncheons also And yet this Wretch Nailor to whom some of the Quakers sang Hosanna and worshipped him and calle● him the Son of God The Christ and none of the Quakers now that I can hear of but own him as a great Prophet and highly honoured and beloved of God and yet he dared to say concerning this false confused stuff What I have received of the Lord that p. 56. I shall declare unto you And again And this is known from the Lord in the Eternal to be the true end of the p. 57. Supper of the Lord c. If denying the Ordinances of Christ after the manner proved of the Quakers in this Chapter be Christianity or consistent with a Christian the holy Scriptures have given us a very unintelligible account of Christianity or a Christian And that mouth which said I deny that God did ever Ch Atkinson or will ever reveal himself by any of those things th●u callest the means of Grace was not full of blasphemy or in any fault against Scripture Prayer Hearing which were intended by it CHAP. XV. The Quakers deny the transactions of Jesus Christ when he was manifest in the flesh in Judea above sixteen hundred years since or as he is now at the right hand of God to have any influence into our Justification before God and our Salvation SECT I IN this point they come not short of themselves who in every path of Errour out-strip all others who are found in the same c●ooked way I shall proceed to the proof All that are called Presbyterians Ed. Bur. Trumpet c. p. 17. and Independents with their feeding upon the report of a thing done many hundred years ago This he saith by way of reproach against all that act Faith on and receive comfort from the blessed Effects of Christs Righteousness and suffering● by him wrought and suffered when he was in the world What Righteousness Christ performed without me was Farnworth not my Justification neither was I saved by it I believe it of himself if he died in the same mind Can outward Bloud cle●nse the Corscience Can outward Penningtons Questions p. 25. Water wash the Soul clean A plain denial of the Efficacy of the Bloud of Christ shed on the Cross to cleanse the Soul from the guilt of sin by its satisfaction to the Justice of God Seeing the Apostle speaks Pennington of purifying the heavenly things themselves Heb. 9. 23. it would seriously be enquired into and the Lord waitedon to know what nature th●se Sacrifices must be of which cleanse the heavenly things Whether they must not of necessity be heavenly If so then whether it was the flesh and bloud of the Vail or the flesh and bloud within the Vail Whether was it the flesh and bloud of the outward earthly nature or the flesh and bloud of the inward spiritual nature Whether was it the flesh and bloud which Christ took of the first Adam ' s nature or the flesh and bloud of the second Adam ' s nature § 2 By these Queries you may see how far he is from believing that the offering up of the Man Christ Jesus the Seed of the Woman hath any influence into our remission and cleansing from the guilt of sin contemning the value of the Flesh and Bloud of the Man Christ Jesus as beneath and short of such an Efficacy and that of necessity there must be flesh and bloud mysteriously included in the outward and visible flesh and bloud of a more heavenly and spiritual nature contrary to the words of the Apostle which he quotes Heb. 9. 23. which is the Apostles most forcible and plain argument to prove the Efficacy of the offering of Christs Flesh and Bloud For if the bloud of those Beasts as they were shadows and types of Christ were so effectual how much more the true Sacrifice shadowed out by them But we may with pity and horrour behold the woful shifts men are put to and bewildred in who forsake the plain paths of the Lord in his Word and are resolved to lay hold on any fancy and foolish imagination rather than let go the lye in their right hand § 3 And this we witness who through the Lamb our Saviour Parnel's Shield of the truth p. 30. do reign above the World Death Hell and the Devil but none can witness this whose eye is outward looking at a Redeemer afar off and still live in sin As for the qualification of living in sin they frequently express it to put a blind before the Readers eyes and are far from the true meaning of that phrase in the Scripture for whereas the Scripture
not deny that there was such a man as § 2 Jesus the Son of Mary and that God was in him or rather Christ was in him but this is no more than they profess of themselves that Christ as God and the Eternal Word is in them yet that body of the Man Jesus which he calls here the bodily garment he tells us they can never call it Christ Another passage out of the same Author will explain this For that which he took upon him was our garment even the p. 20. flesh and bloud of our nature very right But what follows is wofully false Which is of an earthly perishing nature but he is of an heavenly nature and his flesh and bloud and bones are of his nature The sum is this The Flesh and Bloud and Bones or Body of Christ which they own is of a heavenly and Eternal Nature but the body which Christ took on him of our nature is earthly and perishing and therefore they can never call that or own that to be Christ This is as plain a denying the Man Christ Jesus § 3 whose body of flesh was of our nature and of the seed of Abraham and the Son of Mary as can be They own him as one that once had a Being but is now perished that is his body of flesh and bloud What can we expect of those men who can disown what the Scripture speaks so plainly and frequently and that not now and then by the by but as its main scope Do not all the Prophets that prophesie of Christ speak of him as to come Doth not he himself and others contemporary that lived with him in the flesh speak of him as then come Do not the Scriptures after his Death and Resurrection speak of him as having finished the Merit of our Redemption and Salvation and departed from the earth ascended into Heaven and there at his Fathers right hand ruling the affairs of Heaven and Earth and making intercession for his people And all this of the Body of Christ which he took of mans Nature and this called Christ and Jesus and the Saviour Let not these Blasphemers of the Lord of Life and Glory delude people with a fancy as if we believe and preach the Flesh and Bloud of Christ to be Christ separated from his Soul his Soul of the nature of mans soul but undefiled or that we take his humane or mans nature to be Christ separate from his Eternal and Divine Nature for they cannot be separated the one is not now without the other nor was the Divine Nature of Christ compleat Christ until united to and dwelling in its fulness in the humane or mans nature of Christ Yet as what the mind conceives in a man the man § 5 conceives and what the least member of the body doth or suffereth the man doth and suffereth so by a communication of properties and union of natures in Christ the Divine and Eternal Being of Christ is called Christ sometimes but much more often the humane nature or the Man Christ Jesus And the reason is clear because although Christ offered up himself by the Eternal Spirit as both dignifying him to a worthiness for such a Sacrifice and enabling him to undergo it as a Lamb for patience innocency and meekness and to overcome death yet the mans nature of Christ his soul and his body was the only proper sufferer and sacrifice for God cannot suffer nor be put to death and by the obedience and sufferings thereof was our reconciliation and redemption wrought Only as I said before its union hypostatical with the Divine Nature did put it into such a capacity and entitle God or the Divine Nature which in its fulness dwelt in him bodily to all that he did and suffered Having thus explained my self that the weakest § 6 that are but willing may understand the truth in this point I shall quote some Scriptures wherein the Man Jesus who was born of the Virgin is called the Christ and Saviour and that this Man Jesus is now in being and in that body of flesh which he took of the Virgin and wherein he eat and drank and slept and performed those actions proper to a body of flesh and bloud and bones and that this man Jesus is still and ever shall be the Christ of God And it was revealed unto him by the holy Ghost that Luke 2. 26 27 28 29 32. he should not see death before he had seen the Lords Christ And he came by the spirit unto the Temple and when the parents brought in the Child Jesus to do for him after the custome of the Law then took he him up in his arms and blessed God and said Lord now lett est thou thy servant depart in peace for mine eyes have seen thy salvation a light to lighten the Gentiles This was the Lords Christ whose parents were Mary by nature Joseph in Law and by reputation as being Mary's Husband though after Christs birth whom Simeon then saw and not before whom he took up in his arms not only into his heart by faith and love and this Christ is Gods salvation and a light to lighten the Gentiles Therefore being a Prophet and knowing that God Act 2. 30. 31. had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his loins according to the flesh he would raise up Christ to sit upon his Throne he seeing this before speaks of the resurrection of Christ that his Christs soul was not left in hell neither his Christs flesh did see corruption This Jesus hath God raised up whereof we all are Verse 32 witnesses Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly Verse 36. that God hath made the same Jesus whom ye have crucified both Lord and Christ The God of our Fathers raised up Jesus whom ye Acts 5. 30. 31. slew and hanged on a tree him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour for to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins Which also said Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing Act. 1. 11. up into Heaven This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into Heaven Opening and alleadging that Christ must needs have Acts 17. 3. suffered and risen again from the dead and that this Jesus whom I preach unto you is Christ Be it known unto you all and to the people of Israel Acts 4. 10 11 12. that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom ye crucified whom God raised from the dead even by him doth this man stand before you whole This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders which is become the head of the corner Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved And though they found no cause of death in him yet
baptize therefore it was an Ordinance and that he baptized so few in that Country it was rather Providential than designed by Paul for he being so famous an Instrument of converting the Gentiles they began to cry him up as if he had not been Christs Minister but rather his Competitor and therefore he thanks God he baptized no more lest they should have said he baptized in his own name But though he did not baptize there might be enough beside for that work and we read not of one that omitted it when they understood of the Ordinance and had any to administer it to them Object It was to confer the Holy Ghost § 6 That was but one consequence but not what Baptism signified Beside the giving the Holy Ghost was of a miraculous nature for the Confirmation of the Disciples in the newness of the Christian Religion and conviction of others and the friends of Cornelius had the Holy Ghost before Baptism Object None were called to baptize but those that § 7 were sent to preach to all Nations Answ Ananias baptized Paul yet was not so sent The ends of Baptism which was a sign and seal of what interest they had in Christ and of Regeneration and the righteousness of Faith remain and therefore that remains to be dispensed by the ordinary and mediate Officers of the Church who are Stewards of the Mysteries of God of which this is one It being also a Cognizance of Christianity there is the same reason for it and it is in vain to talk of Ordinances abolished without some proof when and why they are so Naylor saith Paul preached the Love to lost p. 41. Baptism of the Spirit in its stead Let that be proved and something is said But John Higgins saith That Water-Baptism was Warning c. p. 5. but the administration of John is known and confessed I say no more to him but I perceive he is but little acquainted with Confessions I must bring in the sentence of the great Patriarch Geat mystery of great Whore p. 65. §. 8. George Fox to decide all for after his words 't is not fit any of his inferiours should speak again Where was Matthew or Mark or Luke or John baptized and many more which the Apostle Paul thanked God he had not baptized Baptizing is making Disciples to the Lord Jesus and baptizing them into his Name that is his Power but he Paul told of the Spirits Baptism and brought the Saints off from the things that are seen and Water is seen and its Baptism Strange arguments as if the Command and abundant instances of its practice had no force unless we have an account where every Believer was baptized and because Paul did not baptize all therefore they were not baptized at all But for Baptism being a making Disciples if it be understood of Water-Baptism it will be no small friend to Infant-Baptism if of the Baptism of the Spirit I suppose George Fox will eat his words again and acknowledge that the Apostles had not power to bestow the Spirit of God on persons and make them new Creatures that was the mistake of Simon Magus and now of George Fox But the last argument is such an one as never offered § 9 it self to such a service till the Quakers light which they say is Almighty had the management of it and so may make an effectual instrument of any thing Paul brought the Saints off from the things that are seen and Water is seen and its Baptism He 2 Cor. 4. 18. that shall look into the Text to which his words refer will admire his sharp-piercing Genius or his non-such ignorance that could find such a meaning of that Text or tell the world it was there But if all that is seen must be cast away and rejected I counsel the Quakers not to be such eager pursuers of the world and that I dare ground upon the Text But above all to reject their proud dreaming intolerable notions the ignorance and delusion of which is so gross that it is not only seen but may be felt also But for all this the Quakers will affirm they own Baptism and believe that George Fox is sent of God because he speaks of the Scripture right as they are The Quakers disown the Ordinance of the Lords Supper SECT VII to be now a Gospel-Ordinance or any Ordinance of God at all As of Baptism so of the Lords Supper they will say they own it at least many of them but they call quite another thing by that name which is the way they have to delude people in all other matters of the 1 Cor. 11. 23. Christian Religion If what the Apostle Paul saith he received of the Lord 1 Cor. 11. 23. do express the true Lords Supper the Quakers deny it Feeding upon the husk and shadow which is carnal Parnel Shield of the truth p. 13. For the bread which the World all that are not Quakers breaks is natural and carnal so also the Cup which they drink and here is no communion but natural outward and carnal They Bread and Wine in the Lords Supper are Smith prim p. 39. the Popes invention The Priest gives it to the people and tells them it is the Bloud of Christ which is shed for them when it is Wine and not Bloud I will not trouble thee with so unnecessary a thing as a reply to these silly Cavils and plain contradictions to the Scripture The main Objection the Quakers have against this § 2 Ordinance beside that against all forms and all things that are seen is That Christ is c●me and his Disciples were to do it in remembrance of him till he was come but Christ is come in the Spirit to them and therefore this Precept doth not bind them But who would think the Spirit or Christ in the Spirit was not come either in shedding it abroad miraculously as in the 2 Acts or as a Sanctifier in the hearts of his people when the Disciples and whole Church at Jerusalem were so frequent in this Ordinance and when the Apostle Paul tells the Corinthians The 1 Cor. 1● 16. Bread which we break c. But that none must be ingaged by this Ordinance but those to whom Christ was not come by a Spirit of Sanctification is exceeding gross For whereas the Ordinance is for the Saints this renders it to be peculiar to those in a state of sin and unconverted to Christ and they are not ashamed to own it to be so Which was the thing Christ in tender love to his Disciples Naylor love to the lost p. 58. at his departure warned them on knowing that their nature would draw to the Earth-ward not yet being changed nor having Christ born in them to keep them and for all this Warning and leaving this as a Sign c. If Christ born in the soul be not till the light within be obeyed as Christ the Son of the living God we
that may be crowded into a little room but a body of flesh bloud and bones to be within a man surely no woman with child ready to be delivered would by her swelling and bigness proclaim it to the eyes of all beholders more effectually than such who should be so inmated And although they talk of all this being by faith S. 2. they must give me leave to tell them that though faith in Christ be so in the heart of a believer that it doth thereby enjoy the blessed effects and fruits of the Redeemer yet while the faith in Christ is in the heart the man Christ in his person or if you will his glorified body flesh bloud and bones is as far from them as beyond the visible Heavens And I care not if I mind you of the Popishness of their conceit near of kin to Transubstantiation but that is but an Infant-absurdity to this that one single body one individual man of flesh bloud and bones should be entirely in so many places at once as in every Quaker yea every man and woman in the world But it may be the Quakers being the only Masters of the Mysteries can say more for it than we can imagine I am sure more than any man in his wits can believe Let us therefore give them the hearing before we § 3 Fox great mystery c. p. 286. dismiss this importunate Candidate with Ignoramus or a condemning Verdict Now the woman here hath a husband to ask at home and not usurp authority over the man but Christ in the Male as in the Female who redeems from under the Law and makes free from the Law the man may speak Christ in the Male and Female who are in the Spirit of God are not under the Law but the Whore who drinks the bloud of the Saints is gone from her husband from under the Law to ask the Whoremaster that doth drink the bloud of the Saints which Christ the seed judgeth upon to whom he gives judgment I have transcribed the more of this Answer of George Fox's that you may see what spiritual rare matter the Quakers swallow from the hand of Fox's infallible and inspired Authority the Chief among that Sect. The non-sense and rarity of the Exposition of the Apostles Inhibition of Womens speaking in the Church I shall leave you to construe and descant upon But you find him owning a man Christ in the Male and in the Female The clearest Expositor that I have met with among the Quakers of this Mystery is Isaac Pennington Two passages of many I shall quote out of him Was not the Word made flesh And did not the Word § 4 Pennington's questions to the professors of Christianity p. 29. p. 20. made flesh dwell and appear in a Tabernacle of flesh and cause the glory of his own divine flesh to shine through the earthly flesh Is it the flesh and bloud of the body which was prepared for and taken by him wherein he tabernacled and appeared Or is it the flesh and bloud of hi● who took tabernacled and appeared in that body For that which he took upon him was our garment even the flesh and bloud of our nature which is of an earthly perishing nature and his flesh and bloud and bones are of his nature c. The scope of this judicious Author in many Pages a non-such for new discoveries is to let us know that there was a heavenly spiritual divine body constituted of flesh bloud and bones in which Christ came from Heaven and that he put that body into the other body of our nature which he took of the Virgin and that outermost body of our nature he left behind when he ascended into Heaven no body knows where And this heavenly spiritual body nothing of kin to Abraham David Mary according to the flesh is the man Christ which is in the Quakers and so the Quakers are as compleat Christs as ever the Son of Mary was for they also have the divine nature of Christ dwelling in a body of spiritual flesh and bloud and that dwelling in those their bodies which we see and are but the outward tabernacles of the God and the man Christ Jesus And when they speak and what they act all is but the words and deeds of this man Christ within the bodies of every he and she Quakers and so no more they but Christ in them However ridiculous this may seem to be it is no more but what they as seriously own as any Article in their Creed I say no more on this particular but that he that can digest such fables as these hath a stomack hotter than an Ostrich The Quakers in their opinion of the divine nature ECT. III. of their Christ are exceeding superfluous and they have not more diminishing thoughts of the humane nature of the true Christ whose body they have doom'd to perish into dust and corruption than they have magnifying apprehensions of the divinity of their false Christ Their Tenet which Iam next to consider is That every man and woman in the world have in them a saving light from Christ and this light is no other but Christ the Saviour and God eternal and there is no other Saviour but it It hath been the opinion of some before the Quakers known in the world that by the redemption of Christ called universal all men have a sufficient light given them from God the utmost improvement of which will prove saving but far were they from accounting this light to be the Christ the Saviour However alien my thoughts may be from this Tenet it is not my work here to consider it But that peculiar to the Quakers that the light within every man is Christ and the only Saviourand very God Although there are none of them will stick to proclaim § 2 this on the house-top yet I shall for general satisfaction give it you under their hands And no one Fox great mystery c p. 8. knows salvation but who knows this Christ in you who is the salvation and where he is within there is salvation And this Christ in us is be in whom our salvation Smith Cat. c. p. 64. standeth as the Mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus And we also know and believe that he is the same p. 71. Christ in us which in dispensations past did humble himself to the Cross And you whom the Prince of the ●●wer of the air § 3 Fox the younger p. 49 50. hath led out of me you scorn me the light in you They have disobeyed it and called it a natural light and ye have said that I the light am not able to save those that believe in me That if you would believe and wait in me the light p 54. I will purge out all your iniquities and forgive all your trespasses and I will change your nature and I will make you new creatures if you will hearken to me