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A01628 A speciall treatise of Gods prouidence and of comforts against all kinde of crosses and calamities to be drawne from the same With an exposition of the 107. Psalme. Heerunto is added an appendix of certaine sermons & questions, (conteining sweet & comfortable doctrine) as they were vttered and disputed ad clerum in Cambridge. By P. Baro D. in Diui. Englished by I.L. vicar of Wethers-fielde. Hyperius, Andreas, 1511-1564.; Baro, Peter, 1534-1599, attrib. name. aut; Ludham, John, d. 1613. 1588 (1588) STC 11760; ESTC S120495 239,789 550

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ioyned with him Why therfore doo we not rather enquire after this streighter and holesome meane And that we may speak somwhat also of this as we promised it is thus to be vnderstoode First that this whole controuersie is as touching the meane or manner of the coniunction For concerning the thing it selfe there is no question that is no man euer doubted who hath at least beene any thing at all acquainted with the holy scriptures but that the faithfull are truely and indeede ioyned with Christ their head considering that it dooth and may euery where appéere Let this therefore be ratified and out of all controuersie That the faithfull ought verily to be ioyned with Christ to th' intent they may become partakers of his righteousnes life and of all his benefites And therfore when it is demaunded whither we be corporallye or spirituallye ioyned with Christ this is demaunded by those that doo alreadye vnderstand that we are ioyned with him but after what manner or by what meane that is doone whither by a corporall or spirituall they stand in doubt For the Grammarians that I may adde this as they haue certain Aduerbs of Place Time Likenes c. so haue they some of the meane or manner of dooing of which sort are these Subtilly Strongly Corporally Spiritually c. And therefore the Logicians doo commonlye call the Maximees whereunto these Aduerbs are put Modalls whereby it is declared not that they Attribute is in the subiect but how and after what sort it is in it as when I say Aristotle disputeth subtilly by this Aduerb I expresse not that Aristotle disputeth which is signified by the other two woordes but how and after what sort he desputeth Therefore this proposition may of him be denied who yet must graunt that Aristotle disputeth because he denieth not the thing but the manner onely So therefore they that at this day deny the faithful to eat Christ corporallye or bodilye to be ioyned with him doo not yet denye them to eate the flesh of Christ and to drinke his bloud or to be ioyned with Christ but they deny the maner expressed in that Aduerb because they deny that manner it is requisite that they appoint another seeing they confesse the coniunction or ioyning together and forsomuch as it is in no wise corporall as we haue shewed before it remaineth that it be spirituall And certes so mightye in this behalfe is the Trueth that she draweth all men vnto her to take her parte For why all for the most parte doo confesse that we are spiritually and by faith ioyned with Christ but yet what the meane or manner of this coniunction is it is not ●o well perhaps vnderstoode of all And therfore this is also breefly and in few woords to be opened Two bodies are ioyned togither after their manner that is to say bodily when the one is put to the other by the mutuall touching of either of them both without any distance of place comming betweene them and they are disioyned and seperated one from an other by distance of place But of Spirites which can neither touch nor be touched the reason is farre otherwise for the ioyning or disioyning of them the neerenesse or fa●●esse of places dooth nothing auaile They are ioyned togither then by Loue not feigne dry but most truelye as also they are againe by Hatred sundred and deuided For this we vnderstand all the blessed Spirites in what place soeuer they are to be ioyned togither among themselues and the vnclean and wicked Spirites to be deuided from them albeit they remaine among them So likewise we say that the faithful are ioyned togither ●n● with an other and this is the communion of Saintes 〈◊〉 but sundred from the wicked although they be mingled with them Therefore Luke in the Actes saith That the multitude of them that beleeued were of one ha●t and of one soule which is the greatest 〈◊〉 in●●tion that can be the which Sam. 〈…〉 is expounded The soule of Ionathan saith 〈◊〉 was ●●●●●ith the soule of Dauid for Ionathan loued David as his owne soule So man are wife e●en without copulation are o●● the one is saide to be knit vnto the other in what place soeuer they be and this similitude to expound this mistery the Apostle vseth Eph● 5 And therfore with this kinde of coniunction though with a streighter hand are the faithfull ioyned with Christ their head which also in an other place Paule declareth when he saith The bread which we break is the communion of the bodye of Christ and for we that are many are one bread and one bodye And thus is this coniunction of ours with Christ wrought and accomplished when as the godly minde being enlightened with the deuine Spirite hath atteined to the cleere knowledge of God in Christ and to the beholding of him as the fountain of all goodnes and as a Father of mercy to it selfe so great a loue is forthwith enkindled therby that it is wholy rauished with the desire of him for a good thing the greater that it is and the more apparantly seene the more vehemently is it longed after as if the minde dooth plainly perceiue and see the chéefest good thu●g and most soueraigne felicitie it cannot be th●●● but that it will be surprise● with a most seruent loue of it and loue hath a continuall de●●●● to be ioyned with and to enioye the thing ●●lou●● insomuch that it cannot rest before it obtein i●t and when this is grau●●ted to the louer then he cleueth throughly to the thing beloue● he is turned into it and becom●●●th one with it And this power of enioying him God giueth most willinglye to all that 〈◊〉 him that is to say to so many as he stirreth vp vnto his loue by his holy Spirit yea he commeth to them that he maye also dwell with them as saith Christ Ioh. 14. If a man loue me my Father will loue him and we will come to him and abide with him Hence it is that Paule beeing after this manner ioyned with Christ saith Now is it not I that liue but Christ liueth in me and the faithfull doo pray Let thy will be doone with vs and in vs as it is in heauen For why● this is so effectuall a coniunction that it ioyneth the Louer● togither verily and in such wise that th●●● 〈◊〉 but one minde and one will in ●●aine insomuch that the louer may truely and from his hart saye vnto Christ Not what I will but what thou wilt be doon Finally this diuine lou● is wonderfullye celebrated throughout the whole book of the songs of Salomon wherwith the Church being caught and surpripe●● is so greatly enamoured 〈◊〉 so ex●●ding●y●e in loue with God that it can booke 〈◊〉 r●●● but in the imbracing of ●ind This is th●● 〈◊〉 that spirituall and deui●●e and 〈…〉 holesome coniunction that the faithfull haue with Christ which is a hundred times better and more effectuall then the corporall
least any man should think it to be vain and fantasticall for of this followeth by and by the putting away of all euils and the participation of all good things for why● it is méet that God should free him whome he taketh into his fauour from sinn● and from all enormities and adorn him with grace and al good things Thus therefore by the liuely and sincere knowledge faith of God in Christ is kindled an incredible loue in vs which God who is the very cause of it neuer leaueth destitute but rewardeth it with himself and with will hi● good blessinges in Christ Thus therefore is God offered to be receiued in Christ ●●ld Christ in the mistery of the Eucharist not with the mouth of the bodye but with the faith of the soule This our coniunction with him Christ applying himselfe to our capacitie dooth euery where illustrate with many similitudes 〈…〉 bodies and from the manner 〈…〉 them whome also the Apostles followed as when by ●he word of God re●●●●ed by faith Paule saith That the faithfull 〈…〉 mēbers of Christ bone of his bones and fles●● of his fles● 〈◊〉 and that in Baptisme they 〈◊〉 Christ ●lare graffed in him and that in the Supp●● they eat his flesh and drink his blood and 〈◊〉 made one with him when yet notwithstanding that holy bodye of his abideth alwaies whollye in the heauens sitting at the right hand of his Father almighty neither is it at any time intermixed with ours But these things are figuratiuely spoken and are to be transferred from the body to the soule sith the soule whereof he is the meate hath neither mouth nor téethe nor throat and this figure being not vnd●●st●●d of some was expounded by Christ him selfe The fleshe profiteth nothing sayth he The woordes which I speake vnto you are Spirite and life For hereby it plainelye app●●reth that this meat is not of the belly but of the mind and that the fleshe of Christ is to be eaten of vs not with the téeth of the mouth but with the saith of the so●●e and his blood to be dra● 〈◊〉 with the 〈◊〉 of the throat but with the spirit of de●otion Which thing may euen héere by ●e percei●en for that neither the hi●g●r ●orthi●●● for the asswaging whero● 〈◊〉 holy banq●●● was ordeyned is the 〈…〉 blood which were 〈◊〉 imaginations of some 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 and ●●ath of Christ that is of the pardon and fo●gi●●e 〈…〉 mercye c. which all 〈◊〉 obteined of God through the heath 〈◊〉 pa●●ion of Christ Therefore with those tropes 〈◊〉 figures Christ and his Apostles haue expressed the same our spirituall conu●●ction with Christ out head 〈◊〉 as the Apostles of Christ 〈◊〉 also the fa●h●rs haue reteyned and frequented the figures of Christ and of the Apostles as appeereth by their writinges yea and sometimes procéeding further they haue vsed more bolde figures as when they attributing the names of things signified to the signes doo saye that Christ in the Sacrament is seene with the eyes of the body handled with the hands broken chewed with the mouth and teeth dayly fashioned and created and that he falleth frō the table to the earth that the blood of Christ boyleth vp in the bowels of the faithfull Exuperantius Bishop of Tholous saith I●rome to Nepotian caried the Lords body in a wicker Basket and his blood in a Glasse But if they séeme now and then to proceede yet further and to affirme that we are properly without a figure corporallye 〈◊〉 with Christ this is to be thought to belong vnto that that our bodies also are partakers of this benefite for it will come to p●●sse● that we shall not only be vnited with Christ in our soules and so enioy eternall life but also in our bodies not that there shal be as ye would saye one masse of all the bodies and soules of all the faithfull with the bodye and soule of Christ but for because we shall follow the Lamb whither soeuer he goeth and with him enioy euerlasting life This is the true exposition if I be not deceiued of this Question and so consequently of them both to the vnfolding whereof not an houre but a yeere were néedfull And this so manifest a trueth of either proposition I was perswaded in the beginning when I choose and propounded these things to dispute vppon that I could defend and maintaine against all men liuing but since I came into this place and whiles I beheld your countenances and especially theirs with whome I am to trye this conflict I feare excéedinglye And therfore as I did at the first I pray and beseeche almightye God to giue me strength and abilitie fit for the defence of his trueth Also I desire the reuerend Mediator of this Schoole and disputation if at any time he shal perceiue me to doubt or wauer to put to his helping hand and mine aduersaries that hauing regard of the trueth they would remit somewhat of the vehemencye of their arguments when need shall require Finallye I craue earnestlye of you all right woorshipfull brethren that if at any time I shall not so aptlye as were requisite answere to the obiections propounded yee would yet therfore neuer the more doubt of the trueth of these propositions but rather impute all that matter to my slothfulnes and ignorance I haue said
durste neither deuide Christs body nor multiply it and yet would still stiffly holde that corporall presence one thing that remained they sayd namely that Christs bodye is not manifolde nor in sundry places but euerywhere and in all places by reason of the personall or hypostaticall vnion that it hath with the Woord as who should say that because they might haue it corporally present in some fewe places to witte where the Lords Supper is celebrated vpon earth they supposed that it must be euery where To the confuting of which opinion this saying of Augustine is sufficient Take awaye the spaces from bodies and they will be no bodies which if it be true thē these men labouring with tooth and naile to keepe Christs body really present haue vtterly depriued themselues of that body And who séeeth not that to be euery where is the propertie of God alone And therfore that we may conclude that which we propounded at the beginning this opinion and the two former doo destroye the humane nature of Christ either by deuiding it or by multiplying it or by infinit stretching of it And therfore they cannot be true yea and though they were true yet cannot that be truelye concluded which they intend namely That we are corporallye coupled and conioyned with Christ For when thou sayst that the faithfull are corporally ioyned with Christ thou sayst not only that they are ioyned togither which no christian man will deny but thou determinest also the mean wherby that commeth to passe and thou sayst that it is corporall or bodily touching which pointe onely is the question and controuersie For it followeth not by and by though the body of Christ be in many or in all places that therfore it is corporally that is to saye after a bodily manner ioyned with vs séeing the Godhead which is euery where cannot yet be saide corporallye to be ioyned with the Creatures though that in it we liue moue and haue our being And therfore the bodye of Christ is neither in many places nor yet euerywhere for this is against his diuine nature neither if it were euery where or in many places would it yet by and by followe that we are corporallye coupled and vnited with him Moreouer euerye of these opinions haue their seuerall and sundrye faultes whereof yet we néede not to repeate euery particular For the first saith That the bread is changed and transubstanciated into the body and the Wine into the bloud of Christ which is a very absurd thing to be thought For why if thou beléeuest that which we confesse in the Créed namely that the body of Christ was made of the substance of the Virgin Mary how is it that thou contendest that the same is yet stil made and that of some other matter then of the substance of the Virgin Mary to witte Bread whose substance is changed into the substance of the body of Christ it had béene more tollerable to say That the bread is abolished and vtterlye brought to nought and that Christs body dooth stay it self in the place therof and therfore the subtiller sorte which write in these daies of this matter doo reiect the deuice of Transubstantiation not expressely in déed but they conclude vpon that with the which it can by no meanes agrée for they place Christ not corporallye but spirituallye and so as he occupieth no place in the Eucharist The second offereth violence to Christs woords This is my body that is to say in this or with this is my bodye this is a forced exposition if at least it may be called an exposition The third destroyeth the Sacrament whose dignitye it would séem to defend when as that it might haue christs body really present in it it affirmeth that the same is also euery where out of the sacrament And héerby I think it may sufficiently appéere that there is no such corporall coniunction of Christ with vs no nor yet can be sith neither Christs body nor the manner of coniunction which is set down can by any meanes beare it But now we must shewe That euen this reall and corporall coniunction if there were any cannot giue or procure saluation which I proue thus If there were euer any corporally conioyned with Christ then was it the most holy Virgin Mary his Mother for she was bodily substancially and naturally ioyned with him because that being conceiued by the power of the Holy ghost of her very substance she bare him nine monethes in her wombe and afterward being borne she gaue him suck held him in her armes and brought him vp But the virgin Maries saluation was so far off from depending vpon this couiunction that vnlesse an other more néere and streighter coniunction had come betwéen she had neuer entred into the Kingdome of Heauen which thing Christ declareth to a certaine woman crying out Blessed is the womb that bare thee and the pappes that gaue thee sucke making this answer Yea rather blessed are they that heare the woord of God and keep it and to them that saide Thy Mother and thy bretheren seeke thee without who is my Mother and my bretheren saith he whosoeuer dooth that that God commaundeth he is my brother my sister and my Mother The like may be saide of Simeon who took Christ vp into his armes and imbraced him and of Iohn that leaned vpon Christs brest But that this grosse and corporall coniunction is not of it selfe profitable and healthsome Iu●●● may be a witnesse who was no lesse corporally ioyned with him then the rest when he betraied him with a kisse and the Iewes which buffited him with fistes and scourged him with roddes so that if so be they had wholy deuoured that sacred body and drunk the blood that flowed from it yet could they not haue obteined saluation thereby and euen so no more could we neither be saued though we did in such wise deuoure his flesh as that it might be corporally and indéed present in vs. My fleshe profiteth nothing saith Christ namely being so taken The woords which I speake vnto you are spirit and life Finally the coniunction wherby the faithful are héere ioyned with Christ shal one day be perfected in the heauens but not that corporall coniunction for euery man shal haue both his owne body and his own soule seperated from others but spirituall of which we wil speak anon To what purpose is it then so greatly to vrge this bodily coniunction whereupon yet if there were any our saluation dependeth not and we were alwaies still to séeke an other which alone is properly necessary to saluation for otherwise what shall become of the fathers that died before Christ was borne for why they could not corporally eat the body of christ which was not as yet come into the worlde neither could they bodily be ioyned with him and yet they did eate the same meate that we doo and dranck the same drinck as saith the Apostle and they were truely healthfullye