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A36663 A treatise of baptism wherein that of believers and that of infants is examined by the Scriptures, with the history of both out of antiquity : making it appear that infants baptism was not practised for near 300 years after Christ ... and that the famous Waldensian and old British churches and Christians witnessed against it : with the examination of the stories about Thomas Munzer, and John a Leyden : as also, the history of Christianity amongst the ancient Britains and Waldenses : and, a brief answer to Mr. Bunyan about communion with persons unbaptized / by H.D. Danvers, Henry, d. 1687. 1673 (1673) Wing D233; ESTC R35615 154,836 411

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2. Nor in the Epistles themselves As Children are not concerned in the Dedications of the Epistles so neither are they as Church-Members in the Epistles themselves as may appear by a few instances to which you may abundantly add in your reading the Epistles The first we shall mention is that 1 Cor. 6.4 1 Cor. 6.4 If then you have Judgment of things pertaining to this Life set them to judge that are least esteemed in the Church And that he meant least esteemed for Wisdom and Iudgment the fifth Verse explains But Infants of 8 or 10 dayes old can neither judge nor speak therefore we must necessarily conclude there were no such Members in the Church of Corinth 2. Another you have in 1 Cor. 10.16 17 compared with 11.28 29. The Cup of blessing which webless is it not the Communion of the blood of Christ And the bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ For we being many are one Bread and whosoever doth eat and drink unworthily shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord and eateth and drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the Lords body c. But poor Ignorant Babes without understanding cannot possibly either examine themselves or have the least discerning of the Lords body whether considered as Symbolically or Mystically represented in that Ordinance Therefore were none such to be sound in the Church at Corinth nor in any other Gospel-church as Dr. Owen saith very well Dr. Owen Dr. Owen p. 103. As God hath appointed Saints to be the seal and subject of all his Ordinances having granted the right of them to them alone 1 Tim. 3.15 Instructing them with the exercise of that Authority which he puts forth in the Rule of his Disciples in this world He hath also appointed the most holy institution of his Supper to denote and express that Vnion and Communion which the Members of each of these Churches have by his Ordinance among themselves 1 Cor 10.7 The Cup of blessing which we bless is it not the Communion of the blood of Christ The bread which we break is it not the Communion of the body of Christ For we being many are one bread and one body for we are all partakers of that one bread How consonant by the way and agreeable both to Rule and Reason and Righteousness doth it appear to be to admit men upon profession of Faith to both Ordinances keeping thereby the right Subjects as well as to the due Order But how Childishly ridiculous it was in those first inventers of Baptisme for 600. years so well to observe the Order viz. first to baptize and then to communicate and yet so miserably to miss it in the Subjects applying the Spiritual Ordinances to Ignorant Babes And how much worse in the Protestant Reformers that so lamentably miss it both in the due Order and right Subjects also Which the Prelate and Presbyter do in admitting Children to Baptisme and Membership but not to the Supper And the Independent more in point of Order in admitting them to B●ptisme but neither to Membership nor the Supper A third observeable Passage we have in 1 Cor. 12 25 26. 1 Cor. 12.25 26. Where the Apostle exhorts That there be no Schisme in the body but that the Members should have the same care one for another But how ridiculous would this be to be applied to a little Ignorant careless Infant A fourth considerable Instance may be fetcht from 1 Thes 5.2 4. 1 Thes 5.2 4. Where the Apostle saith That they all knew perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a Thief in the night That he speaks of all is evident verse 4 5. in these words But ye brethren are not in darkness that that day should overtake You as a Thief Ye are all the Children of the Day and of the Light c. But little Children that have no understanding are no such Children of the Light as to know perfectly or in part the coming of the Day of God For they know nothing at all of it therefore no such Infants were Members of the Church at Thessalonica And fifthly another convincing Passage we have in Heb. 6.11 12. Heb. 6.11 12. The Apostle thus exhorting And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope to the End that ye be not slothfull but of them who through Faith and Patience inherit the Promises But little Children can shew no such diligence to the full assurance of hope to the end neither can they shew such diligence in following of them who through Faith and Patience did inherit the Promises For they have no understanding in Earthly things How then can they understand Heavenly John 3.12 Therefore no such Babes were Church-members in the Church of the Hebrews And as a further proof against Infants Church-membership 3. From the Characters Christ gives his Disciples we may add the Character Christ gives of his Disciples viz. John 8.31 32. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him If you continue in my Word then are ye my Disciples indeed and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free And John 15.8 A new Commandment I give unto you that you love one another as I have loved you That you also love one another By this shall all men know that you are my Disciples And again John 15.1 Herein is my Father glorified that you bear much Fruit so shall you be my Disciples And again Luke 14.27 And whosoever doth not bear his Cross and come after me cannot be my Disciple And Verse 33. So likewise whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath cannot be my Disciple But how absurd would it be to apply any of these Characters to little Ignorant Infants And lastly from that General Exhortation that Christ gives to all his Disciples Mark 13.37 Watch and Pray always that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things and to stand before the Son of Man and what I say unto you I say unto all Watch. But how ridiculous would it be to include a little Babe herein Which Argument about Church-membership we shall conclude with those full words of Dr. Owen Dr. Owen so much to the purpose P. 107. viz. From all which it appears who are the ●ubject matter of these Churches of Christ as also the means whereby they come to be so namely the Administration of the Spirit and Word of Christ As also by the Gifts and Graces of the Spirit given to them to make every one of them meet for and useful in that place which he holds in such Churches as the Apostle discourseth at large 1 Cor. 12.15 16 17 to 27. Col. 2.9 Ephes 4.16 It being manifest saith he that no Ordinance of Christ is appointed to be observed by his Disciples No Communication of Gifts of the Holy Ghost is promised
but nothing is more unreasonable than because he hath tyed all men of years and discretion to this way Therefore we of our own heads shall carry Infants to him that way without his direction The conceit is poor and low and the action consequent to it is bold and venturous Let him do what he pleases with Infants we must not A Second Scripture that hath been much leaned upon is that of Joh. 3.5 Joh. 3.5 Except a man be born of Water and the Spirit he can in no wise enter into the Kingdom of God From whence it is concluded that there is no other way to regenerate and save Infants and add them to the Church but by Baptism and therefore have they baptized them as the Canons and Decretals of Popes and the Opinions of the Antients do demonstrate But the Consequences drawn from hence to infer the Baptizing and Saving of Infants savours of so much Ignorance and Popish Darkness that we need say little to it for since the Reformation most of the Protestants have protested against this as erroneous Yet for the sake of others that yet cleave to it saying That in Analogy hereto Children are hereby made Members of Christ Children of God and Inheritors of the Kingdom of Heaven I shall refer them to Bishop Tayler for Solution whose words will have more weight than any thing I can say in the Case who in p. 231. Calls such a sence of the words a prevaricating of Christ's Precepts For saith he the Water and Spirit in this place signifie the same thing and by Water is meant the effect of the Spirit cleansing and purifying the Soul as it appears in its parallel place of Christ's B●p izing with the Spirit and with Fire For although this was litterally fulfilled in the day of Pentecost yet mor●lly there is more in it for it is the Sign of the effect of the Holy Ghost and his productions upon the Soul And you may as well conclude that Infants must also pass through the Fire as through the Water And that we may not think this a trick to elude the pressure of this place Peter saith the same thing For where he had said That Baptism saves us he adds by way of Explication not the washing away of the filth of the Flesh but the answer of a good Conscience towards God plainly saying That it is not Water or the purifying of the Body but the cleansing of the Spirit that doth that which is supposed to be the Effect of Baptisme But to suppose it meant External Baptisme yet this no more infers a necessity of Infants Baptism than the other words of Christ infer a necssity to give them the holy Communion Joh. 6.53 Except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood you have no life in you And yet we do not think these words a sufficient Argument to Communicate them If men therefore will do us justice either let them give both Sacraments to Infants as some Ages of the Church did or neither For the wit of man is not able to shew a disparity in the Sanction or in the Energy of its expression And therefore they were honest that understood the Obligation to be parallel and performed it accordingly and yet because we say they were deceived in one instance and yet the Obligation all the world cannot reasonably say but is the same they are honest and as reasonable that do neither And sure the Antient Church did with an equal opinion of Necessity give them the Communion and yet men now adays do not Why should men be more burthened with a prejudice and a name of obliquity for not giving the Infants one Sacrament more than you are disliked for not affording them the other And farther p. 242. If we must suppose Grace to be effected by the external work of the Sacrament alone how doth this differ from the Opus operatum of the Papists save that it is worse for they say the Sacrament do●h not produce its effects but in a Suscipient disposed by all Requisi es and due Preparat●ves of Piety Faith and Repentance though in a subject so disposed they say the Sacrament by its own virtue doth it But this opinion says it doth it of it self without the help or so much as the co-existence of any condition but the meer reception M. Baxter Mr. Baxter to this point p. 306. of his plain Scripture-proof That Baptism in it self can work no such Cause for the Water is not a subject capable of receiving Grace or of conveighing it to the Soul it cannot approach or touch the Soul nor infuse Grace into it if it could Amesius in Bel. Enervat Tom. 3. L. 2. c. 3. Outward Baptisme saith he cannot be a Physical Instrument of the infusing of Grace because it hath it not in any wise in it self Zwingli Zwinglius denieth Baptism of it self worketh any Grace or pardoneth Sin or reneweth as Tom. 2. p. 119 120 121. Dr. Owen Dr. Owen in his Theolog. l. 6 ch 5. p. 477. upon the point saith That the Father of lies himself could not easilier have invented a more pernicious Opinion or which might powre in a more deadly poison into the minds of Sinners A Third Scripture insisted on is the Commission it self Mark 16.16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved Mar. 16.16 But Infants are Believers Therefore according to the Comm●ssion they are to be baptized In wh●ch though all Parties agree yet how they do believe and what faith this is there is great confusion and contradiction Viz. The Antients said they had the Faith of the Sacrament as Austin The Papists the Faith of the Church as Tho. Aquinas which is intailed to all within the Pale thereof The Lutherans say they have a proper Faith which they hotly desended at the Conference with the Calvinists at Montpelgart and therefore Baptize all whether the Parents be good or ba● The Calvinists say they have an imputative Faith from the Parent in Covenant as Musculus Oecolampadius and others at that Conference maintained and therefore baptize only the Children of Believers The Prelatick Protestants affirm they have the Faith of the Gossip or Surety but none of their own as the Com. Catechisme tells us Most of the Non Conformists do agree with the Calvinists that it is an imputative Faith from the Parent or Pro-parent in Covenant Mr. Baxter in his Right to Sacraments as before saith They have a Justifying and Mr. Blake his opposite allowes but a Dogmatical Faith some say it is a Physical some a Metaphysical and some a Hyperphysical Faith some saying as before that Baptisme is an Instrument to conveigh real Grace to Infants some say to all as Mr. Bedford and others some only to the Elect as Dr. Burgos And thus you see they are not agreed in their Verdict nor who shall speak for them But for an Answer hereto I shal again refer you to Dr. Tayler