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A35696 Jus Cæsaris et ecclesiæ vere dictæ or, A treatise wherein independency, presbytery, the power of kings, and of the church, or of the brethren in ecclesiastical concerns, government and discipline of the church : and wherein also the use of liturgies, tolleration, connivence, conventicles or private assemblies, excomminication, election of popes, bishops, priests what and whom are meant by the term church, 18 Matthew are discoursed : and how I Cor. 14. 32. generally misunderstand is rightly expounded : wherein also the popes power over princes, and the liberty of the press, are discoursed / by William Denton ... Denton, William, 1605-1691. 1681 (1681) Wing D1066; ESTC R9164 326,898 268

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home Friends and good Friends I hope tho of different perswasions having had no greater design than by modest arguing to discover which of those several Doctrines and Practices they would severally obtrude upon us are most true It is all one to me which are the truest Opinions so I could be so happy as to know the right that I might be certain to embrace them and them only Having I say thus done with our Friends at home I am now to parly and combat more particularly with a very strange Generation of Men Men who tho very quick sighted yet will not see will not understand be the Evidence of the truth never so demonstrative What hope can mortal wights have to prevail with them who prevaricate with God himself under pretence of a Spirit Infallible and unerring So that the Popes sence of Scripture must without examinations be submitted unto tho he Interpret and Act contrary to the very plain words and Texts of Scripture and contrary to our very Sences witness their Prayers and Services in an unknown Tongue contrary to the very words whole Scope and design of the fourteenth Chapter of the First of Corinthians Concil Lateranens verum Christi corpu● Sanguis c witness also their believing and maintaining the Bread and Wine in the Eucharist to be the very Flesh and Blood of Christ's Body contrary to our very Sences and not the Sences of a few but of all the Christian World for 1600 years together and this forsooth must be done under the notion of a Miracle of Transubstantiation by the miraculous omnipotent power of God who yet never revealed that he would Juggle with his People by any Dedalean Jugling Arts and alwayes practised the clean contrary and therefore to believe this to be done by a Miracle is to believe it a Miracle contrary to the very nature of all the Miracles that ever God wrought For the true nature of a Miracle is to make that evident to our very Senses which no reason can Fathom or comprehend and such were all Gods Miracles viz. the standing still of the Sun in Joshua 10.12 13. The going back of the Sun ten Degrees in the Sun-dial of Ahaz Isay 38.8 The dividing of the Water and making them to stand on an heap that they might be a Sanctuary unto Israel and to return again to be a Grave unto Egypt Exod. 15.8 the dry and the wet Fleece Judges 6.37.40 the preserving of the Three Children in the fiery Furnace Daniel 3. so that the fire had no power over their bodies not so much as a hair of their heads singed or their Coats changed or so much as the smell of fire had passed upon them and yet consumed their Persecutors in the sight of them all The delivery of Daniel out of the Lions Den which yet brake all the bones of his accusers in pieces or ever they came to the bottom of the Den Dan. 6. was it ever known that a man born blind was made to see John 9. or that the dead were raised Yet did Christ cure the blind raised the dead caused the dead Stones of the Temple to rend in sunder and put blackness on the face of the Sun at mid-day All these indeed have the true nature of Miracles and were made manifest to the very sences of those Nations where they were wrought and were not otherwise to be made credible But to believe Bread to be Flesh and Wine to be Blood participates more with Hocus Pocus with the Art of Jugling than of doing Miracles What is this but to be bruitish in knowledg they will not understand Is not this to reproach their Maker that when he hath given them eyes and ears and reasonable Souls that they will yet neither see nor hear nor understand Have you not read the four and fortieth of Isay describing the Sottish dotage of Idolatrous Jews He burneth part thereof in the fire with part thereof he eateth flesh he rosteth rost and is satisfied he warmeth himself and the residue thereof he maketh a God even his Graven Image he falleth down to it and worshipeth it and prayeth unto it and saith Deliver me for thou art my God And none considereth in his heart neither is there knowledge or understanding to say I have burnt part thereof in the fire I have baked on the Coals thereof I have roasted flesh and eaten thereof and shall I make the residue thereof an Abomination Shall I fall down to the Stock of a Tree A deceived heart hath turned him aside Praetiosa grandia sonant veri effoeta defendunt Deum loquuntur simulachra Adorant Ambres ad Symachum § Is Romish Infatuation less Semble and fancy to your selves a Papist prostrate before his breaden God At which Hildebrand so strangely angry for that he answers not how the Emperor Henry the Fourth might be destroyed throws him into the fire Benno Vrsperg Math. Paris He knows it to be the Art of the Confectioner the Composition of the Baker Valera 66. sees toucheth tasteth it Bread and Wine cannot be ignorant goes out at the draught yet adores it prayeth unto it saying deliver me for thou art my God so fast glewed are their eyes that they will not see so obdurate are their hearts they will not understand Like may be observed in many other their absurd opinions contrary to sence reason all sound Authority and what not Why thus infatuated Why thus seduced by Antichristian Mystery Why thus given up to strong delusions to Infatuation and besottedness so great as that errors palpable and such as may be felt are entertained for truth And why so stiff and perverse in adhering to them so incorrigible that no perswasion nor affrightment from God or Man can reclaim them from The reason is assigned viz. because they will not receive the love of the Truth that they might be saved 2 Thes 2.10 what hope have I then to perswade or convince whom neither Evidence of Scripture nor demonstration of Sences nor Suffrage of Antientest Fathers nor Consent of most Antient Councils nor blood of Martyrs nor Sword of Magistrates nor discovery of Antichrist nor consumption of his Kingdom or I am perswaded ruine of that Babylon can win from palpablest errors § Though all the wisest and most sober men of the World have ever taught that Kingdoms Cities Companies cannot long continue nor prosper where Religion and Piety are slighted or neglected yet there are some and those no small Fools though great Wits in their own esteem who have so little of the fear of God before their eyes that they think that Princes are so much the more firm and established in their Thrones by how much more ignorant and wicked their Subjects are and Religion vilified and set at naught because say they they are thereby more proper and as it were born to Servitude and the Yoak Patientiores servitutis quos non decet nisi esse servos Plin. Pan. when as the contrary is
Friends the one to persecute the other for slight pretences about things owned to be indifferent Were it not better and more secure to allow them publick places only I do not say preferments that all the World might hear their Doctrines and Preachments and punish or not punish accordingly if Papalins their Doctrines Tenets and Vows of Obedience to another Head and forreign Power being publickly known to all the World and as publickly professed and avowed by them for sound and true though in truth salse and erroneous Doctrines render them uncapable of Toleration because in their own very Nature they are destructive unto our Government King and Nation unto our Laws Liberties Religion and Worship and what were it else but to establish Idolatry and Superstition by a Law Besides the Pope pretends Right and Title to our very Church and Kingdoms In the dayes of Henry 8. the Earl of Desmond profered Ireland to the French K. the Instrument whereof yet remains on Record in the Court of Paris and the Pope afterwards transferred the Title of all our Dominions unto Charles 5th which by new grants was confirmed unto his Son Philip in the time of Queen Elizabeth with a resolution to settle this Crown on the Spanish Infanta c. and when times serve makes no bones by his Bulls and his Assassinates as much as in him lies to Crown and Vncrown our Kings and Queens and absolve their Subjects of their Obedience to them and to exhaust our Treasury as part of his own Patrimony to maintain the pride and luxury of his Court and Prelates And since we have in great part shaken off his Antichristian Yoak and Usurpations he yet continues to keep his Agitators and Spies here even at our charge and hath not ceased by his Bulls Jesuits Assasinates and Emissaries at once to destroy both King and Parliament and by the bold and impudent Impostures of his Priests and Jesuits perpetually to seduce corrupt and pervert from the right wayes of the Lord as many as they can of our Nobility Gentry and Pesantry not sparing the Royal Family making them turn Tenants for their Lives and Souls which they hold only at the will and pleasure of their Lord God the Pope and Tributary for their estates Whether therefore it be fit or reasonable to tollerate Men thus desperately set and Principl'd against this Church and State I submit to the wisdome of King and Parliament who are best able to provide for their own and the publick safety of our King and Kingdom As to that they nick-name and miscal their Catholick Religion more justly the most Catholick Heresie in the World it is such a piece of Linseywolsey-stuff interwoven with so many ridiculous Ceremonies borrowed from Jews Turks Heathens peculiar Absurdities Blasphemies Superstitions and Idolatries imposing not only on our Understandings but on our very Senses V. les Conformitez des Ceremonies c. A Leyde 1667. Traite des Anciennes Ceremonies c. 1 is 73. in owning the Scriptures to be the word of God and yet denying the free and common use thereof commanding to believe very Bread and Wine to be Flesh and Blood attributing infallibility to his Holiness by vertue whereof he may take away the Bread in the Eucharist from the Laity as well as he hath already deprived and cheated them of the Wine may make lying with other mens Wives no Adultery Robbing no Theft Killing Innocent men even Kings and Queens under pretence of Heresie no Murder whereof we have had sad experience even in these our dayes in sum who ever submits to the Popes infallibility renders himself Captive to be led into all Heresie and even to Hell it self as if the Scripture in good earnest had come from Heaven meerly to make the Pope optimum maximum et supremum numen in terris that he is sole Interpreter of all Scriptures and Judge of all Controversies and that his Tribunal and Gods are all one and 1000 more absurdities which in effect is to renounce Christianity and to yield blind obedience and implicite Faith to his ipsedixit and to become Antichristians For by their own Doctrines of Intention they have given us just cause to question their very Christianity for if they hold true to that Doctrine it 's impossible they should infallibly know that they have either true Pope true Bishop true Priest or that they are true Christians and therefore they may thank themselves and their own Doctrines if we allow them at best to be but Mungril Christians like those of Samaria who feared God yet served Idols and like those of Israel who swore by the Lord and Melcom And therefore not worthy to be called a Religion at least Christian unless by way of Complement and civility they Exalting the Pope above all that is called God endeavouring by the impudent impostures of Baals Priests to enslave whole Nations to his vile ends and purposes quo jure quâve injuriâ and all this under the Vizard of his false Religion All which considered I humbly conceive that no Tolleration is to be allowed Papists whether we respect either Church or State policy tho there are those among our selves for what good ends is past my understanding except to make us as very Mungrils as the Papists that would lead and wheedle us into a fair way of reconciliation by a School-trick of distinguishing between the Court and Church of Rome What Is it possible that Righteousness can have fellowship with Unrighteousness Can light have Communion with darkness Can Christ and Belial agree together What agreement can the Temple of God have with Idols Can we joyn our bodies to the very Mother of Harlots and not be one body with her From such we are commanded to come out and seperate not tollerate 52 Esay 11.31 Jerem. 1. 1 Cor. 6.16 2 Cor. 6.14.15 16 17 18. And then God will be a Father unto us and we shall be his Sons a d Daughters We are seperate we are come out for shame then let us not hanker after nor talk of returning to Onyons and Garlick nor with the Dog to his Vomit we are washed and cleansed from the dregs and silth of Rome and therefore never to return with the nasty and beastly Sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire If Quakers they are as little to be indulged for reasons diametrically opposite for that the very Scriptures are not heartily and throughly owned by them nor are they a Rule of Faith unto them Indeed they have no known Rules no established Principles no Doctrine infallible to be Governed by the light within them being only the Rule and Guide of their Consciences which may be Hosanna to day and Crucifige tomorrow no Connivence no Tolleration due to those Religions whose Principles are unknown or destroy our Government If Presbyter or Independents the case as to them is far different they owning the same Scriptures for their Rule and Guide professing the same Articles of
Baptism or the like then they stiffly cry out where is your Rule your Warrant in Scripture for them And may not the Magistrate with as good Logick demand of Presbyter and Independent their express Warrant and Rule of Scripture for their Governments for receiving the Communion sitting or for their altering the time of taking of it or their Preaching in their Caps in a Cloak or Buff Coats as lately they did If men were humble and not wedded to their own fancies they might see the right Independency already established in this Kingdom and with no great difference from that of the Independents who would have only Churches voluntarily gathered and submitted unto whereby those that would might be of Peters or of Pauls or of any Ministers Congregation and those that would not might refuse to be of either or indeed of any so that in effect they having no power to compel the whole Kingdom might be either Atheists or Papists Quakers or Fanaticks nay Jews or Ranters or indeed what not if no better care were taken But the great wisdom of our Princes armed with the Sword and with Power to Command and Compel from on High well knowing it a duty incumbent upon them as it was once upon Paul to take care of all the persons and Churches within their Dominions and that they were to be accomptable to God for their good or evil Government in Church and State have divided this whole Nation into Precincts Parishes or Congregations call them what you will and hath allotted to every Parish a Church to which all are enjoyned to resort and frequent and a Minister endowed with maintenance who is to execute his Pastoral Office over them and his Parishoners are compellable by by the Laws Canons and Edicts of the Prince to receive their spiritual Food and Bread of Life at his hand and mouth and it is not left to them to come or not to come to the Church of God and hear the Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ at their pleasure But care hath been and is still taken that the Ministers and Pastors shall not be without their Flocks nor the Flocks without their Pastors who are licenced and enjoyned to Pray Preach Baptize Now what is the difference The Congregational way is voluntary unlimited and unprescribed the Parochial is quodam modo compulsory bounded and circumscribed and so it ought to be or else how can Princes rationally give any good Accompt to God of their care of his Churches if they should leave every man to do herein what seemeth best in his own eyes as once in Israel when there was no King And if Princes have no Power to Prescribe Compel and Punish why should they be blamed and punished for the Idolatrous and otherwise erronious Worship of others And if they have power why do the Non-conformists quarrel at the use thereof one Parish is as little dependant on another as the Congregational men would have their Congregations to be and yet both Parishes and Congregations are properly and rather homogenial parts of Englands Church than so many distinct Churches though Quodam Modo they may be stiled Churches as Paul did Families in Houses in his time § Both Presbyters and Independents willingly oblige themselves to no form being against all set forms but leaving themselves at large in all their Administrations Our Supream Governours as in duty bound prescribe and enjoyn as in our Liturgy the daily teaching of the Fundamentals of Christianity that all his Subjects may be sure to have them sincerely dispenced unto them If there be no form for dispencing of them how can the Prince be sure that they are rightly dispenced and taught nay how can he be sure that they are taught at all and if not certain thereof how can he give to God a good and sure account that they were sincerely taught or that the Alcoran Talmude or Trent Creed were not taught instead thereof If our Liturgy be daily used the very solemn days which by Antient Institution of the Church are to be celebrated for the Commemoration of the Blessed Trinity Advent of our Saviour his Nativity Circumcision Passion Resurrection and Assention will so preserve these things among the Common People that is scarcely imaginable that they should be so grosly ignorant as not to have explicite knowledge of those mysteries of Christ so publickly and frequently solemnized in the Church The want of which Liturgy hath in these late times ushered in much ignorance even of the necessary fundamentals and made a wide Gap for ignorance nay Atheism not only to creep but to leap in amongst us How many Congregations or Parishes wanted the Holy Communion for the greater part of twenty years together in the late times now who was to blame or responsible to God for so hainous a sin as the keeping back the Bread of Life the Incumbent or the Civil Magistrate or both and who was in fault when it was afterwards given yet to those only that would sit and take it at a long Table denying it to others that desired to receive it in the most reverend manner by kneeling the Incumbent or the Magistrate that might have ruled it otherwaies thereby excommunicating in their sence at least with exclusion a Sacris all the Parish at one breath save a few What could his Imperial Infallible Holiness at Rome have done more imperiously then to deny the Bread of Life to those that would not submit to their ipse dixit The hainousness of this crime of robbing whole Parishes of the Lords own Supper Table Cup Body and Blood for so many years together in our late times is abundantly set forth attested and proved to be from Popish Principles in a Book entituled A new Discovery of some Romish Emissaries c. The sum then of the Contest will be between Prince and Priest whether Presbyterian Independant or Popish matters not much They being in the point of Domination not much different only the Independant is most moderate and the Pope most exorbitant extending his Supremacy and Jurisdiction over forrain Princes and beyond his own Territories even to the Excommunication nay Deposition of Kings and how much less the Presbyter claims Sa. Rutherford in the forenamed Book and his if I may call it his Book called Lex Rex do speak and as the Arguments are the same so the same Answer will reach them all § The Priests conceive by their mandate viz. Go teach all Nations Baptizing c. received from Christ Independant of any earthly Power that they have by vertue thereof Authority to put in execution that Mandate 1o. In their opinion to preach and pray what when and where they please Administer the Sacraments after what form and manner seems best unto every of them though never so different one from the other use any form of Discipline excommunicate whom and when they please and all this without being accomptable to any earthly power or having any Superior over them §