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B02447 Some queries touching excommunication published by the people of God, (termed in derision Quakers) to be considered by all the bishops and synods of this nation, or any others that may be concerned in such proceedings against them. But most especially, by the present bishop and synod of Aberdeen. Cowie, John, fl. 1683. 1682 (1682) Wing C6648; ESTC R171572 6,690 11

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have the least measure of those things Have ye an infallible discerning of the inward states of others to know whether we be in the state of Grace yea or nay If yea how say ye that an infallible discerning of the inward states of others is ceased seing that belongs to immediate Revelation which you say is ceased generally since the Apostles dayes If nay then having no infallible knowledge of our inward states the best that you have is but conjectural and in opinion and therefore ye cannot do what ye do in this matter against us in Faith and with clearness but with doubting and seing he that doubteth is damned as the Apostle said how can your sentence of damnation against us bear weight which proceed from you who because of your doubting are damned your selves III. Quer. WHat are the particular grounds and reasons of your excommunicating us are errours of life and conversation or errours of judgement we suppose ye will not alleadge the first seing our life and conversation whom ye have excommunicated and are purposing to excommunicate is at least as good as your own and manifestly better than thousands of your own Church-Members whom for all their lying swearing cursing defrauding drinking drunk and other abominations among them ye continually blesse and curse not If they be errours of Judgement then we also ask further do all errours of Judgement deserve that the persons simply for their judgement holding them ought to be excommunicate which is contrary to your own way among your selves for some among your selves differ one from another in matters of Judgement in diverse things as some of you think that Episcopacy is Jure Divino others think it is but an Humane Invention and limb of the Antichristian Hierarchy some of you think that set forms of Prayer ought to be used in the worship of God others thnk it Popish and Superstitious some of you think ye should sing that called the Doxologie and stand up to it though sitting at the rest of the Psalm others condemn it as superstitious and will-worship some think they should kneel in receiving the Sacrament as they call it others think kneeling Idolatry some think they should be uncovered all the while they are in the Steeple-house if it be consecrated others think it Superstition some think the Magistrate may be resisted and they may rise up in Armes against him to carry on a Reformation which bad doctrine they have learned from their Grand-father the Pope others do justly condemn that principle And besides diverse of the Protestants hold that Christ hath died for all men Others hold the contrary that He hath not died for all but some Again diverse hold that the keeping of the first day of the week for a Sabbath is of Divine appointment others such as Calvin and many with him both abroad and at home deny it Some say that we are justified not only by the outward righteousness of Christ imputed to us but also by inward righteousness as many of the Episcopal party in England and some in Scotland and many other differences of Judgement are amongst them who yet do not excommunicate one another but hold it their duty to bear with one another It is not therefore one or diverse errours or differences in Judgement or in relation to Worship that are ground of Excommunication but such as are Blasphemous or fundamental errours such as overturne the very foundation of Christianity and Christian Religion Now before ye excommunicate us ye should take pains to inform your selves if we whom ye are about to excommunicate do hold such fundamental errours for we know not that we hold any principle which ye your selves call a fundamental errour Indeed some of you have alleaged that Quakers in England hold blasphemous and fundamental errours but they have not proved it out of their own words and writings and if it were so that is not sufficient for you to proceed against us unless ye discover that we particularlie whom ye are about to Excommunicate do hold such blasphemous and fundamental errours for every one is to be judged according to his own Faith Therefore let us have a fair and free hearing and communing betwixt you and us for we are most willing that ye try us to the uttermost of your abilitie which ye as yet have not done but taken things upon trust and believed lies and mis-informations against us and unless ye do this ye lay your selves open to the just censure of all that you have not proceeded orderlie with us nor given us Gospel-order for if ye think ye are our Judges in these things ye should give us a hearing freely and fully before your Presbytries or if we appeal from your Presbytries ye should give us a hearing freely and fully before your Synods and highest Church Judicatories such as they are And as for us though we own you not as our Judges yet we are most willing that ye try us and ye cannot in any colour of reason deny us these publick opportunities of Conference and labouring to clear our selves which even the Papists have given unto Protestants and which the Protestants in reason demanded of them and which the Sinod of Dort gave unto the Armenians and Remonstrants before they passed sentence against them IV. Quer. WHy have ye changed the form of the words of Excommunication set down in the Scripture which is to deliver up unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh 1 Cor. 5.5 And seing ye think it so essential to adhere to the words of Scripture when ye Sprinkle and when ye give the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ as ye judge it why do ye not adhere to them when ye excommunicate And as for your new forme of excommunication to deliver up unto the righteous judgement of God who hath taught you these words And seing they are not expresly Scripture words nor indeed pertinent to be words of excommunication for they may be properly applyed unto them who are not excommunicated nor to be excommunicated Yea David an eminent Saint praied that the Lord would judge him and said Peter judgement must begin at the house of God what sort of words are they whether Divine or given by Divine Inspiration If not then they are but the words of a man and therefore they can have no weight nor authority with them against us Some further Queries from Isaiah 66.5 Hear the Word of the Lord ye that tremble at his Word your Brethren that hated you that cast you out for my Names sake said let the Lord be glorified but he shall appear to your gleoy and they shall be ashamed V. Quer. WHether these who are said to tremble at the Word of the Lord may not be termed Quakers in the dialect of Mockers as well as these called Quakers now termed so by their opposers for their trembling at the Power Presence and Fear of the living God seing Quaking and Trembling are both one upon the matter