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A04540 A Christian plea conteyning three treatises. I. The first, touching the Anabaptists, & others mainteyning some like errours with them. II. The second, touching such Christians, as now are here, commonly called Remonstrants or Arminians. III. The third, touching the Reformed Churches, with vvhom my self agree in the faith of the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ. Made by Francis Iohnson, pastour of the auncient English Church, now sojourning at Amsterdam in the Low Countreyes. Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618. 1617 (1617) STC 14661; ESTC S107828 395,581 331

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etc._n etc._n and_o memorable_a be_v the_o example_n of_o saul_n though_o a_o king_n who_o do_v that_o which_o please_v the_o people_n and_o seem_v good_a in_o his_o own_o eye_n contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v therefore_o sharp_o reprove_v by_o samuel_n the_o prophet_n and_o severe_o punish_v by_o the_o lord_n 1_o sam._n 15_o 13_o 24._o v._o moreover_o the_o scripture_n alone_o be_v sufficient_a for_o the_o direction_n of_o the_o pastor_n and_o other_o officer_n administration_n be_v give_v by_o inspiration_n of_o god_n and_o profitable_a for_o doctrine_n for_o reproof_n for_o correction_n &_o for_o instruction_n in_o righteousness_n that_o the_o man_n of_o god_n may_v be_v perfect_a &_o thorough_o furnish_v to_o every_o good_a work_n 2_o tim._n 3_o 15_o 16._o psa_fw-la 19_o 7_o 8_o 9_o and_o christ_n himself_o who_o alone_o be_v the_o head_n and_o lawgiver_n of_o his_o church_n have_v leave_v sufficient_a direction_n in_o his_o word_n both_o for_o the_o faith_n and_o 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as_o these_o be_v main_a ground_n of_o anabaptistry_n they_o shou●●_n therefore_o be_v convince_v and_o resist_v not_o colour_v or_o plead_v for_o by_o as_o mean_n for_o if_o the_o former_a assertion_n be_v true_a then_o will_v it_o necessary_a follow_v that_o the_o baptism_n receive_v in_o the_o church_n aforesaid_a be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d ordinance_n of_o god_n not_o to_o be_v retain_v but_o utter_o to_o be_v reject_v &_o 〈◊〉_d baptism_n to_o be_v receive_v both_o for_o obedience_n of_o the_o commandment_n 〈◊〉_d god_n and_o for_o our_o own_o comfort_n reason_n show_v that_o if_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n &_o england_n be_v a_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n etc._n etc._n then_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v renounce_v and_o another_o to_o be_v receyve_v i._o because_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n and_o fiction_n be_v not_o of_o god_n but_o the_o devil_n who_o be_v a_o liar_n and_o a_o father_n thereof_o joh._n 8_o 44._o rom._n 3_o 4._o ii_o neither_o can_n a_o idol_n and_o lie_a 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3_o 4._o act._n 10_o 47_o 48._o matt._n 3_o 11._o and_o 28_o 18_o 19_o with_o gen._n 1●_n 11_o 12_o 13._o and_o 21_o 4._o iu._n and_o that_o also_o be_v to_o be_v do_v without_o delay_n and_o before_o they_o may_v come_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n see_v the_o neglect_n of_o baptism_n be_v sin_n as_o be_v the_o neglect_n of_o circumcision_n and_o no_o unbaptised_a person_n may_v eat_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n as_o no_o uncircumcised_a person_n may_v eat_v of_o the_o passover_n ephes_n 4_o 4_o 5._o and_o luke_n 7_o 29_o 30._o with_o 1_o cor._n 10_o 16_o 17_o 18._o exo._n 4_o 24_o
and_o in_o israel_n neh._n 13_o 15_o 22._o jer._n 17_o 21_o 27._o amo._n 8_o 5._o 11._o and_o whereas_o they_o say_v that_o circumcision_n be_v also_o a_o lie_a sign_n and_o false_a sacrament_n to_o israel_n in_o their_o defection_n how_o do_v they_o prove_v it_o where_o do_v the_o scripture_n teach_v it_o will_v they_o have_v we_o take_v it_o on_o their_o bare_a word_n and_o believe_v that_o their_o say_n be_v oracle_n or_o will_v they_o be_v wise_a and_o more_o righteous_a than_o god_n himself_o 25._o himself_o 2_o kin._n 9_o 6._o &_o 13_o 22_o 23._o hos_fw-la 4_o 6_o 12._o &_o 14_o 1._o amos_n 7_o 2_o 5_o 15._o mic._n 6_o 2_o 3_o etc._n etc._n with_o lev._n 26_o 25._o who_o account_v they_o still_o to_o be_v his_o people_n and_o under_o his_o covenant_n and_o himself_o to_o be_v their_o god_n and_o upon_o this_o ground_n call_v they_o to_o repentance_n and_o show_v they_o many_o favour_n and_o bare_a with_o they_o a_o long_a time_n and_o afterward_o avenge_v the_o quarrel_n of_o his_o covenant_n upon_o they_o as_o he_o have_v speak_v long_o before_o the_o history_n of_o the_o scripture_n &_o book_n of_o the_o prophet_n make_v this_o matter_n so_o plain_a as_o there_o be_v scant_o any_o chapter_n at_o all_o that_o do_v not_o manifest_v these_o thing_n and_o convince_v their_o error_n some_o particular_n i_o have_v show_v heretofore_o 63._o heretofore_o advert_v p._n 59_o 63._o otherwhere_o and_o shall_v now_o treat_v of_o it_o further_o hereafter_o in_o answer_n of_o another_o objection_n here_o follow_a thereabouts_o 12._o in_o the_o mean_a time_n what_o will_v they_o say_v to_o the_o circumcision_n of_o judah_n in_o their_o estate_n of_o apostasy_n when_o they_o fall_v into_o most_o wicked_a idolatry_n and_o that_o not_o only_o of_o israel_n but_o even_o of_o the_o heathen_n beside_o all_o that_o they_o have_v of_o their_o own_o most_o sinful_o withal_o be_v circumcision_n now_o also_o among_o they_o none_o of_o god_n ordinance_n but_o a_o idol_n be_v it_o not_o the_o true_a sacrament_n of_o circumcision_n but_o a_o false_a and_o lie_a sign_n a_o detestable_a &_o curse_a sacrament_n unto_o they_o in_o that_o estate_n be_v not_o they_o now_o still_o the_o people_n of_o god_n or_o have_v god_n break_v his_o covenant_n with_o they_o on_o his_o part_n &_o turn_v his_o ordinance_n into_o idol_n unto_o they_o because_o of_o their_o idolatry_n and_o transgression_n of_o his_o covenant_n be_v not_o god_n still_o true_a and_o his_o sign_n and_o sacrament_n true_a sign_n and_o sacrament_n still_o unto_o they_o on_o the_o lord_n behalf_n though_o they_o be_v become_v liar_n and_o idolater_n themselves_o do_v god_n cease_v to_o be_v true_a if_o man_n become_v a_o liar_n god_n forbid_v rom._n 3_o 3_o 4._o 13._o or_o have_v the_o gate_n of_o hell_n more_o prevayl_v against_o the_o christian_a church_n since_o christ_n come_n than_o they_o do_v or_o can_v against_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n before_o his_o come_n in_o the_o flesh_n mat._n 16_o 18._o do_v not_o god_n when_o once_o he_o have_v give_v his_o sign_n of_o circumcision_n so_o continue_v it_o still_o through_o all_o generation_n until_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n notwithstanding_o all_o the_o apostasy_n both_o of_o judah_n and_o israel_n that_o then_o fall_v out_o sundry_a time_n and_o have_v not_o the_o lord_n do_v likewise_o hitherto_o and_o will_v so_o do_v unto_o the_o end_n concern_v the_o sign_n of_o baptism_n in_o the_o christian_a church_n notwithstanding_o the_o apostasy_n and_o iniquity_n fall_v out_o therein_o if_o not_o how_o then_o also_o and_o where_o have_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n ben_fw-mi continue_v and_o derive_v unto_o these_o man_n themselves_o from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n unto_o this_o day_n as_o i_o note_v here_o before_o also_o to_o be_v observe_v or_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o baptism_n in_o one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n a_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n unto_o some_o and_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n &_o a_o true_a sign_n unto_o other_o that_o do_v there_o receive_v it_o and_o this_o also_o in_o their_o infancy_n or_o when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n can_v they_o make_v that_o which_o be_v a_o idol_n and_o a_o lie_a sign_n which_o be_v mere_a vanity_n and_o of_o the_o devil_n now_o to_o be_v unto_o they_o the_o holy_a ordinance_n &_o true_a sign_n of_o the_o lord_n which_o he_o have_v give_v and_o institute_v in_o his_o church_n either_o therefore_o it_o must_v be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v god_n ordinance_n and_o his_o true_a sign_n though_o corrupt_o minister_v and_o abuse_v or_o if_o it_o be_v a_o idol_n &_o lie_a sign_n it_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v &_o another_o baptism_n to_o be_v obtain_v that_o be_v appoint_v and_o approve_v of_o the_o lord_n halt_a between_n two_o opinion_n please_v not_o god_n if_o it_o be_v a_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n it_o be_v not_o the_o lord_n and_o if_o it_o be_v the_o lord_n as_o we_o have_v show_v it_o to_o be_v than_o it_o be_v no_o idol_n or_o lie_a sign_n but_o god_n ordinance_n and_o true_a sign_n still_o continue_v in_o their_o corrupt_a estate_n and_o ministration_n 14._o neither_o do_v this_o hinder_a but_o that_o in_o any_o church_n whether_o sincere_a or_o apostate_n yea_o in_o the_o best_a that_o be_v or_o ever_o be_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n may_v become_v unprofitable_a unto_o man_n by_o their_o own_o sin_n circumcision_n may_v be_v make_v uncircumcision_n to_o such_o as_o break_v the_o law_n that_o be_v it_o may_v become_v unprofitable_a and_o be_v account_v for_o uncircumcision_n unto_o they_o rom._n 2_o 25_o 26._o and_o baptism_n therefore_o in_o like_a sort_n be_v now_o come_v in_o the_o place_n thereof_o but_o shall_v we_o therefore_o say_v that_o circumcision_n or_o baptism_n or_o any_o other_o constitution_n of_o god_n in_o such_o church_n unto_o such_o person_n be_v not_o the_o lord_n ordinance_n nor_o his_o true_a sign_n and_o sacrament_n but_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n detestable_a and_o accurse_a sacrament_n and_o constitution_n take_v a_o other_o instance_n in_o the_o lord_n supper_n be_v the_o lord_n table_n in_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n a_o table_n of_o devil_n or_o the_o lord_n supper_n a_o idol_n and_o a_o lie_a sign_n and_o detestable_a sacrament_n to_o such_o as_o eat_v it_o unworthy_o or_o be_v it_o not_o in_o deed_n the_o lord_n ordinance_n &_o his_o holy_a sacrament_n unto_o they_o though_o sinful_o abuse_v by_o they_o as_o be_v manifest_a both_o by_o the_o apostle_n word_n when_o he_o call_v it_o the_o not_o discern_v of_o the_o lord_n body_n but_o become_v guilty_a of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o the_o lord_n &_o by_o the_o lord_n severe_a chastise_v of_o they_o for_o this_o cause_n 1_o cor._n 11_o 27_o 30._o which_o how_o shall_v it_o be_v if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o lord_n ordinance_n unto_o they_o which_o he_o have_v give_v to_o his_o church_n &_o people_n do_v the_o scripture_n so_o speak_v of_o idol_n and_o lie_a sign_n any_o where_o or_o do_v the_o lord_n so_o punish_v the_o neglect_n or_o contempt_n of_o they_o nay_o on_o the_o contrary_a the_o lord_n severe_o punish_v the_o regard_n and_o retain_v of_o idol_n &_o the_o scripture_n speak_v of_o they_o term_v and_o esteem_v they_o to_o be_v 14._o be_v see_v m._n a●nsw_n arrow_n against_o idolatry_n pag._n 13_o &_o 14._o thing_n of_o naught_o as_o it_o be_v filth_n dung_n or_o excrement_n loathsome_a thing_n or_o detestable_a and_o abomination_n vanity_n lie_n unprofitable_a false-vanity_n leasing_n and_o vaine-iniquitie_n etc._n etc._n so_o far_o be_v the_o scripture_n from_o speak_v or_o esteem_v so_o honourable_o of_o they_o as_o it_o do_v of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o ordinance_n of_o the_o lord_n though_o sinful_o corrupt_v and_o abuse_v objection_n iii_o but_o etc._n but_o animad_fw-la p._n 72_o etc._n etc._n idol_n be_v of_o two_o sort_n some_o mere_o devise_v by_o man_n as_o jeroboams_n 28._o jeroboams_n 1_o king_n 12_o 28._o calf_n some_o pervert_v by_o man_n from_o holy_a sign_n to_o idol_n as_o 4._o as_o 2_o king_n 18_o 4._o the_o brazen_a serpent_n both_o these_o kind_n be_v in_o popish_a baptism_n for_o their_o cross_n exorcism_n greasing_n etc._n etc._n be_v idol_n of_o the_o first_o sort_n worse_o than_o jeroboams_n bullock_n their_o wash_n with_o water_n in_o nomine_fw-la patris_fw-la etc._n etc._n be_v of_o the_o second_o sort_n that_o be_v god_n ordinance_n turn_v into_o a_o idol_n as_o be_v the_o brazen_a serpent_n thus_o be_v there_o a_o mixture_n in_o antichrist_n christening_n of_o both_o sort_n of_o abomination_n therefore_o have_v we_o renounce_v that_o romish_a baptism_n as_o a_o impure_a idol_n in_o their_o abuse_n stand_v up_o in_o the_o place_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o precious_a blood_n which_o it_o be_v not_o pretend_v
church_n experience_n itself_o speak_v for_o the_o subject_n be_v before_o his_o accident_n which_o be_v contingent_a and_o separable_a the_o church_n be_v many_o age_n when_o the_o papacy_n be_v not_o the_o papacy_n come_v to_o the_o church_n contingent_o beside_o the_o be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o may_v be_v separate_v from_o it_o as_o at_o this_o time_n also_o there_o be_v church_n where_o the_o papacy_n be_v not_o &_o there_o will_v be_v church_n still_o hereafter_o without_o the_o papacy_n therefore_o the_o papacy_n be_v not_o the_o church_n but_o it_o be_v a_o evil_n grow_v up_o in_o the_o church_n a_o pestilence_n a_o dropsy_n a_o gangrene_n in_o the_o body_n deceitful_o work_v against_o the_o life_n and_o health_n of_o it_o and_o therefore_o most_o dangerous_o &_o noysome_o eat_v up_o the_o lively_a and_o wholesome_a moisture_n of_o the_o church_n but_o of_o this_o whole_a matter_n we_o have_v spo●en_v in_o the_o three_o controversy_n and_o in_o this_o four_o we_o be_v to_o speak_v of_o it_o hereafter_o therefore_o concern_v the_o other_o which_o remain_v let_v we_o see_v whether_o the_o papal_a roman_a church_n by_o this_o also_o he_o pass_v by_o or_o that_o which_o be_v of_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o church_n the_o opinion_n which_o be_v about_o this_o matter_n be_v divers_a the_o popish_a generation_n cry_v out_o with_o full_a mouth_n that_o it_o be_v absolute_o the_o church_n other_o not_o behold_v a_o different_a regard_n of_o the_o papacy_n from_o that_o which_o be_v the_o church_n deny_v it_o to_o be_v the_o church_n we_o rely_v both_o on_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n and_o on_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n do_v put_v a_o difference_n the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n do_v teach_v that_o the_o church_n be_v one_o thing_n and_o that_o the_o papacy_n be_v another_o as_o we_o speak_v a_o little_a before_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n teach_v the_o church_n but_o it_o teach_v not_o the_o papacy_n therefore_o they_o be_v 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