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A15622 A view of the marginal notes of the popish Testament, translated into English by the English fugitiue papists resiant at Rhemes in France. By George Wither Wither, George, 1540-1605. 1588 (1588) STC 25889; ESTC S120301 238,994 326

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making cleane but you will neuer leaue your lieng We do not so speake of preaching onely that we exclude any helpe which God hath giuen vs besides But you exclude the word when you tie grace to the outward worke of your vnpreaching priests And you adde a number of helps of your owne as salt spittle oile creame and such like trumperie which God neuer appointed to his church but the proud presumption of man hath brought in Iohn 15. 7. The text If you ⸫ abide in me and my words abide in you you shall aske what thing soeuer you will and it shall be done to you The note If a scismatike pray neuer so much he is not heard bicause he remaineth not in the bodie of Christ. The answer I conclude therefore that the praiers of papists are vnprofitable bicause they haue cut themselues from the ancient catholike church of Christ and therefore remaine not in his bodie Iohn 15. 20. The text If they haue persecuted me you also will they persecute if they haue kept my word ⸫ yours also will they keepe The note He foresheweth that many will not obey the churches w●rds and no maruell bicause they contemned Christs owne precepts The answer As the Iewes cried the temple of the Lord when they had conuerted it into a den of théeues euen so crie you The church The church But as then the prophets shewed to them by their manifold contempts of Gods cōmandements that their words were lieng and counterfet words euen so we shew that your church is the synagog of sathan and prooue it bicause she will be credited both aboue the word of Christ and contrary to the word of Christ. Iohn 16. 2. The text Out of the synagogues they will ⸫ cast you The note The heretikes translate Excommunicate you See what corruption this is and the reason thereof Annot. ca. 9. 22. The answer If to excommunicate be to put men from their cōmunion and fellowship in seruice praier and sacraments then this casting out is excommunication and so rightly translated The cause that you in your annotations imagine that is to bring the churches excommunication into contempt is friuolous and beareth no shew of truth sith excommunication amongst vs is vsed as a principall censure of our church And you your selues cannot denie but when hypocrites haue crept into authoritie this censure is abused as your confesse saieng the excommunication of heretikes is ridiculous And I pray you what made the rulers of the Iewes afraid of this casting out Was it not bicause in common estimation they should be estéemed as none of Gods people and what else is excommunication but to make the excommunicate to be estéemed as ethnikes and publicans Iohn 16. 13. The text But when he the spirit of truth commeth ⸫ he shall teach you all truth The note If he shall teach all truth and that for euer as before 14. 16. how is it possible that the church can erre or hath erred at anie time or in any point The answer Whosoeuer followeth that truth which the spirit taught the Apostles and swarueth not there from doth not erre But with you the pope can not erre the councels cannot erre the multitude of those whom you account the pastors of your church cannot erre As though Christ by this promise had tied his spirit to thē which we denie and you are not able to prooue Their errors are as manifest as the light so grosse and palpable that they may be groped You know that some of the greatest learned of your side are driuen to distinguish betwéene the pope and a man bicause as a man he may erre as a pope he cannot Iohn 16. 23. The text Amen Amen I saie to you if you aske the father any thing in my name he will giue it you The note Vpon this the church concludeth all hir praiers per Christum Dominum nostrum euen those that be made to saints The answer Is Christ bound to you must he needes be at your commandement whither he will or no He promiseth indéed that if they aske the father any thing in his name he will giue it And can you constreine him to giue it if we aske others Can your fansie be an assured warrant for it or from whence else can you fetch any good ground for it The commandement of Christ the example of Christ the doctrine of Christ and the guiding and direction of the holie Ghost do leade vs to praie to none but to God And what are you Or what is your church that we should beléeue you against all these Iohn 17. 1. The text These things spake Iesus and lifting vp his eies into heauen he said Father the houre is come ⸫ glorifie thy sonne that thy sonne may glorifie thee The note The father glorifieth the sonne by raising him from death exalting him vp to his right hand making all creatures to bowe downe at his name and giuing him all power and iudgement The sonne againe glorifieth his father by making his honor which onely in a maner was in Ie●rie before now knowen to all nations The answer You papists spoile the sonne of all glorie first in taking awaie from his glorified bodie the nature of a bodie and so making it no bodie or nothing Secondly in giuing that to others for which he is aduanced to the right hand of his father Thirdlie in setting the pope a mortall man aboue him in power and iudgement You spoile the Father also of his glorie by taking the key of knowledge from the multitude and so as much as in you lieth reducing the knowledge of God againe to a verie fewe Iohn 17. 11. The text Holie father ⸫ keepe them in thy name whom thou hast giuen me that they may be one as also we The note His petition is specially to keepe the apostles and his church in vnitie and from schis●●es The answer It is verie true that Christ doth commend vnto his fathers protection and defence the vnitie of his church and children Iohn 17. 19. The text And for them do I ⸫ sanctifie my selfe that they also may be sanctified in truth The note To sanctifie himselfe is to sacrifice himselfe by dedicating his holie bodie and blood to his father both vpon the crosse and in his holy Sacrament The answer To sanctifie himselfe is to separate and seuer himselfe wholy to the vses of God his father which dedication of himselfe was plainly and euidently to be séene in his whole life and in euerie action thereof Which in some sort may also be called a sacrifice as also our reasonable seruice of God is termed a sacrificing of our selues But bicause the chéefe part of his priestly 〈◊〉 in this life was put in execution in his death in his sacrifice vpon his crosse therfore by way of excellencie the chéefe point of our sanctifieng by him is attributed to the then dedicating of himselfe to God for vs. But what is this toward the
me hath not been ⸫ voide but I haue labored more aboundantly then all they yet not I but the grace of God with me The note In him Gods grace is not voide that worketh by his freewill according to the motion and direction of the same grace The answer As you haue drawen fréewill from philosophie so you plant grace in the roome of that which the philosophers called right reason and you giue vnto it no more then they did to right reason that is to mooue and direct the will But Paule on the contrary side so attributeth all to grace that he leaueth nothing to himselfe I haue labored saith he yet not I but the grace of God with me that is to saie which is with me 1. Cor. 15. 14. The text And if Christ be not risen againe then vaine is our preaching vaine also is your faith and we are found also ⸫ false witnesses of God c. The note So we may say if the catholike faith in all points be not true then our first apostles were false witnesses then hath our countrie beleeued in vaine all this while are all our forefathers dead in their sins perished which presupposing Christ to be God were the greatest absurditie in the worlde The answer And whie did you not say if the faith which the church of Rome at this day professeth be not in al points true for that we know you meane by the Catholike faith but you would haue your words true howsoeuer your meaning was But we denie your Romish faith to be the catholike faith By our first Apostles also you meane neither Peter nor Paul nor anie of Christes Apostles but Augustine the monke pope Gregories apostle but if his doctrine were Catholike neither yours nor ours is in all points Catholike For our forefathers which you speake of you meane those which liued of late yeeres for those of elder time knew not your faith they could not tell that the Pope could not erre they thought him subiect to the whole church they knew nothing of transubstantiation of concomitance and of a number of such toies as you of late haue coined And therefore let men vnderstand that the Catholike faith is that which Paul and Peter and the other Apostles of Christ left vnto vs taught in the scriptures and that which the first church of Christ beléeued and embraced at their hands and which the church of Rome at this day persecuteth and then your note may stand vntouched 1. Cor. 15. 42. The text For ⸫ starre differeth from starre in glorie so also the resurrection of the dead The note The glorie of the bodies of saints shall not be all alike but different in heauen according to mens merits The answer The Apostle putteth no difference here betwéene the glorified bodies of the saints but betwéene the state of our bodies afore the resurrection and after the resurrection betwixt which two states of the selfe same bodies there shalbe as great difference as betwixt the glorie of the sunne the glorie of anie other starre therefore you do but according to your accustomed order wrest this text to bring men to put confidence in their owne merits 1. Cor. 15. 44. The text It is sowen a naturall bodie it shall rise a spirituall bodie The note As to become spirituall doeth not take away the substance of the bodie glorified no more when Christes bodie is said to be in spiritual sort in the sacrament doth it import the absence of his true bodie substance The answer Hungrie dogges eate durtie puddings this stuffe must serue where better can not be had Our bodies though spiritual and configured as you call it to the bodie of his glorie yet are true bodies not in manie places at once whereof it followeth that Christes bodie being a true glorified bodie is not in manie places at once for that can not stand with the trueth of his bodie 1. Cor. 15. 5● The text This I say brethren that flesh and blood can not possesse the kingdome of God neither shall corruption possesse incorruption The note Flesh and blood signifie not here the substance of those things but the corrupt qualitie incident to them in this life by the fall of Adam The answer If you should light on men as froward and contentious as your selues they might with as great reason contend with you for the litterall sense of flesh and blood as you do for the litterall sense of This is my bodie which spéech being of a Sacrament you will by no means admit to be of the same nature and to haue like interpretation as all other spéeches of Sacraments haue 1. Cor. 16. 2. The text In ⸫ the first of the Sabaoth let euerie one of you put a part with him selfe laying vp what shall well like him that not when I come collections be made The note That is Sunday Hierome q. 4. Hedibiae So quickelie did the Christians keepe Sunday holie day and assembled to diuine seruice on the same The answer For Sunday that it was appointed by the Apostles to bée kept for the Saboath that it was so solemnized in their times it is manifest you needed not Saint Hieroms authoritie for it sauing that you loue to vse the fathers where you least need them 1. Cor. 16 8. The text But I will tarie at Ephesus till Pentecost The note The heretikes and other new fangled striue amongst themselues whether Pentecost signifie here the terme of fiftie daies or els the Iewes holie day so called But it commeth not to their minds that it is most like to be the feast of Whit suntide kept and instituted euen then by the Apostles as appeareth by the fathers See Augustine epist 119. cap. 15. and 16. Ambrose in cap. 17. Lucae The answer In Augustine I find certaine mysteries in the number of fifty noted as well out of the new testament as out of the old and that the feast of Pentecost was in his time kept of Christians but what was meant by it in this place or whether the Apostles did institute that feast to be kept of Christians or not I find nothing there In Ambrose I find that the beginning of the eighth wéeke after Easter maketh the Pentecost and that Paul in this place promised to tarrie till that time and that they kept all the fiftie daies as Easter but whether by the apostles tradition or no that is left vncertain So we sée not by your fathers that the apostles instituted the feast of Whitsuntide But we sée that you loue to trouble your selues and others with trifles 1. Cor. 16. 2● The text If any man loue not our Lord Iesus Christ be he Anathema ⸫ Maran-atha The note That is our Lord is come Hierom ep 173. Therefore Anathema to all that loue him not or beleeue not Theophilact vpon this place The answer In matter not in controuersie betwixt vs you make vnnecessarie shew of reading If you did either in loue or in faith
ought thereby to haue espied their owne error in imagining that Christ was no more but a méere man Such remission as Christ gaue his church power to vse is in daily practise amongst vs and for my part I know no professor of the Gospel that findeth fault with it but your proud presumption beyond any authority giuen to the church of God in binding whom you list and loosing whom please you with your gainfull marchandize made therof that with all our harts we abhorre and detest Luke 8. 10. The text To you it is giuen to know the mysterie of the kingdome of God but to the rest in parables ⸫ that seeing they may not see and hearing they may not vnderstand The note See the annotations vpon Saint Matthew cap. 13. 14. The answer We haue alreadie giuen answer to that annotation Luke 8. 13. The text For they vpon the rocke such as when they heare with ioy receiue the word and these haue no roots bicause ⸫ for a time they beleeue and in the time of tentation they reuolt The note Against the heretikes that say faith once had cannot be lost and that he which now hath not faith neuer had The answer If either you had the feare of God before your eies or els regarded your owne estimation afore men you would not thus without all cause cauill We say that those whom God by his owne wil hath begotten by the word of truth which is an incorruptible séed to beléeue in the name of his sonne and so to become the children of God it is impossible that their faith should bée quite lost and that he which hath not this faith neuer yet had it what is this to the faith here spoken of which is for a time a ioyfull and readie accepting of the doctrine preached and is therefore improperlie called beléeuing because it hath some similitude with true beléeuing But you make of the Scriptures an exercise to whet your wits to wrangle and cauill for such is your reuerence towards them Luke 8. 21. The text Who answering said to them My ⸫ mother my brethren are they that heare the word of God and doe it The note He did not heere speake disdainfullie of his mother but teacheth that our spiritual kinred is to be preferred before carnall cognation Hilar. in 12. Mat. The answer This néedlesse citing of the fathers you vse to deceiue the simple withall and to make them imagine that your aduersaries hold that Christ spake disdainfully of his mother For they do not thinke that you vse this and other authorities but onlie where you néed by that meanes to winne some credit to that which you write which in this matter was altogether néedlesse Luke 8. 24. The text And ⸫ they came and raised him saying Master we perish The note See the annotations vpon Saint Matthew cap. 8 24. The answer We haue for your pleasure lost so much labour as to looke into the place and there finde no such matter Luke 8. 43. The text And there was ⸫ a certaine woman in a fluxe of blood for twelue yeeres past c. The note See the annotations vpon Saint Matthew cap. 9. 19. The answer Your annotation is séene and shall be considered of in the answer to the rest Luke 8. 45. The text And all denying ⸫ Peter said and they that were with him Master the multitudes throng and presse thee and doest thou say Who touched me The note It is an euident signe of prerogatiue that Peter onlie is named so often as chiefe of the companie Marke 1. 36. Actes 5. 29. Luke 9. 32. Marke 16. 7. 1. Cor. 15. 5. The answer It is a very sillie argument Peter onlie is named ergo he is named as chiefe of the companie It is a poore prerogatiue that can be wonne for Peter by such kinde of reasoning The Apostles amongst whom he was conuersant knewe nothing of this his prerogatiue and superioritie as appeareth by their reasoning of the case diuerse times which of them should be greatest or chiefe And therefore it is plaine and euident that you want better helpes when you are faine to staie vp Peters authoritie with such weake proppes Luke 8. 50. The text And Iesus hearing this woord answered the father of the maide Feare not ⸫ beleeue onlie and she shalbe safe The note See the annotations vpon Saint Marke cap. 5. 36. The answer We haue looked and sée there a great péece of learning Forsooth that is an vsual spéech to saie onely do this when we meane chéefely To which we replie that it is most vsuall to saie onely do this when we require onely that which we speake of and no more And againe it is a verie sillie shift for you to fl●e to chéefely in stéede of onely when in other places you will haue charitie chéefely required and preferre if greatly afore faith Luk. 9. ● The text And calling togither the twelue apostles he gaue them ⸫ vertue and power ouer all diuels and to cure maladies The note To command diuels and diseases either of bodie or soule is by nature proper to God onely but by gods gift men also may haue the same euen so to forgiue sinne The answer And why do you not saie euen so to create heauen and earth men and angels God doth impart to men whatsoeuer pleaseth him to giue and to bestowe and not what it pleaseth proud men to chalenge Shew to vs that God hath giuen any man authoritie to sell remission of sins Otherwise I haue alreadie answered that we vse this authoritie of remitting sins so farre foorth as God hath giuen it Luk. 9. 5. The text And whosoeuer shall not receiue you going foorth out of that citie shake of the dust also of your feete ⸫ for a testimonie vpon them The note A great fault to reiect the true preachers or not to admit them into house for needfull harbour and sustenance The answer But no fault to reiect traiterous and vndermining papists who secretlie stir vp subiects to murther their soueraignes the Lords annointed and to séeke the subuersion and destruction of their owne countrie Luk. 9. 16. The text And taking the fiue loaues and the two fishes he looked vp to heauen and ⸫ blessed them and brake and distributed to his disciples for to set before the multitude The note Here you see that he blessed the things and not onely gaue thanks to God See annot Mark cap. 8. 7. The answer Who can better tell what is ment by blessing then the holie Ghost himselfe who in the fiftéenth of Matthew in the sixt of Iohn expresseth the same by giuing of thanks Neither is there any cause or reason in this place why any farther matter should be thought or imagined to be ment by blessing And as for the seuerall blessing of the bread first and then the fishes afterward is but your dreame without warrant Your annotation shall be considered of with the residue of the same sort Luk. 9.
goodlie thing This doth the mount Carmel of Helias teach Iohns desert and that mount vnto which Iesus often retired and was quietly alone with himselfe Ser. 26. de amore pauperum The answer Gregorie Nazian neuer imagined or thought of any such superstitious persons as your eremites be neither for such solitarines as they vse can any thing be soundly brought from these examples Luke 22. 20. The text ⸫ This is the chalice the new testament in my blood which shall be shed for you The note The Greeke is heere so plaine that there was very blood in the chaliceshed for vs that Beza saith it is a corruption in the Greeke See the annotations vpon this place The answere The Gréeke is so plaine that no papists of you can by any necessarie consequence prooue out of this place that very blood is in the cup. The defence of Master Beza and a more full answer to your cauill about this place I refer to the learned answer of that reuerend man master Doctor Fulke against Martinius Luke 22. 30. The text And I dispose to you as my father disposed to me a kingdome that you may eat and drinke vpon my table in my kingdome and may sit ⸫ vpon thrones iudging the twelue tribes of Israel The note Straight after the former louing checke and admonition he promiseth to them all that haue been partakers with him of his miseries in this life greater preheminence in heauen than any potentate can haue in this world and therefore that they need not be carefull of dignitie or supremacie The answer If Christ had appointed Peter in supreme authoritie ouer the rest how happened that the Apostles were stil ignorant of it and contended stil amongst themselues for superiority so that Christ is faine still to giue them new checks and new admonitions for that matter Further touching the louing promise of Christ wherewith he comforted them they had béen much to blame if they would haue doubted of it as you teach other Christians to doubt of his promises Luke 23. 45. The text And the ⸫ sunne was darkened and the veile of the temple was rent in the middes The note This eclipse was seene and woondered at as a thing aboue nature of Dionisius Areopagita at Thebes when he was yet a pagan Dionis ep ad Policarp epist ad Apollophanem The answer The iudgement of men concerning this eclipse is diuers som thinke that it was vniuersall others bicause the stories which do diligently exactly set out the notable things of those times do not mention it thinke that therfore it was but in Iewrie onely And the authoritie of Dionysius whom men know to be a counterfet doth nothing mooue them to the contrarie But whether it were vniuersall or particular all consent that at that time it must néedes be a worke aboue nature and therefore woonderfull and miraculous And if you had respected the benefit of your reader rather than the maintenance of the vaineglorious opinion of your much reading you in the margent in stéed of citing a bastard autoritie would haue giuen vs some good lesson or obseruation what that so woonderfull worke of God at that time might betoken Luke 24. 1. The text And in the ⸫ first of the sabaoth very early they came to the monument carieng the spices which they had prepared The note That is first after the sabaoth which is saith saint Hierom q. 4. ad Hedibiam dies Dominica our Lords day wherin he arose For the weeke is diuided into the sabaoth and the 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. of the sabaoth And the Apostle 1. Cor. 16. 2. commanded a collection of money to be made on the first of the sabaoth Whereby we learne both the keeping of Sunday and the churches count of daies by the 2. 3. 4. of the sabaoth to be Apostolicall which saint Siluester afterward named 2. 3. 4. feriam c. Breuiar Roman Decemb. 31. The answer That our Lords day in common spéech called sunday is meant by the first of the sabaoth and that the obseruation of that in the churches of Christians was instituted by the Apostles is cléere their reckoning of the other daies they left frée to euery countrie their maner If your church had had nothing apostolicall left in it your defection had béene without all colour plaine and grosse But now these and such like silly remnants as they serue somewhat to shadow and to hide you so are they horribly poisoned with a multitude of trash of your owne deuising and bringing in Luke 24. 46. The text And he said vnto them that so it is written and it behooued Christ to suffer and to rise againe from the dead the third day and penance to be preached in his name and remission of sinnes vnto all nations beginning from Hierusalem The note As he shalbe Anathema saith Saint Augustine which preacheth that Christ neither suffered nor rose againe bicause we learne by the Gospel that it behooued Christ to suffer and to rise againe the third day so he shall also be anathema whosoeuer preacheth the church to be else where then in the communion of all nations bicause by the selfe same Gospel we learne in the words next following and penance to be preached in his name and remission of sins through out all nations Aug. epist. 48. The answer How happened it that in so many conflicts as Augustine hath with the Donatists that he neuer doeth pronounce Anathema against them for appealing from the sentence of the Bishop of Rome And why doth he neuer vrge against them that the bishop of Rome could not in giuing sentence and iudgement erre For if he had beléeued the principles of popish diuinitie these had béene very materiall points against the Donatists But in this anathema here by you rehearsed he doth as directlie strike the Romanists as the Donatists For Rome hath rent hir selfe from the churches of the East parts also from as many of the West as do not consent to her abominations and fornications so that whosoeuer at this day do place Gods church there doeth forsake the communion of the church of all nations which was is and shall be And if Augustine were aliue againe now he would impugne the church of Rome with the same reasons that he vsed against the Donatists then IOHN Iohn 1. 15. The text This was he of whom I spake He that shall come after me ⸫ is made before me because he was before me The note He is preferred and made of more dignitie and excellencie then I bicause he was before me and all things eternall God The answer I know that diuers and sundrie good men and excellent interpreters of the scriptures do explane this as you doo yet notwithstāding I rather assent to them which do not refer it to the time or eternitie of Christes being but to the dignitie and excellencie of his person Iohn 1. 22. The text Art thou ⸫ the prophet and he answered no. The note Belike
his office that is to offer propitiatorie sacrifice for vs. Hebr. 7. ●5 The text Whereby he is able to saue vs for euer going by himselfe to God ⸫ alwaies liuing to make intercession for vs. The note Christ according to his humaine nature praieth for vs and continuallie representeth his former passion and merit to God the father The answer You would make vs beléeue that Christ was our priest onlie in respect of our nature directly against the worde and against this present place For the priests appointed by the lawe were men hauing infirmitie but our priest is the sonne for euer perfect where perfection is opposed to infirmitie and the sonne of God is opposed to men which sheweth the coupling of both natures aswell in exercising of his office as in his person But you of purpose in your translation haue omitted the worde men to obscure and darken the sense of the text Hebr. 8. ●2 The text We haue such an high priest who is set on the right hand of the seate of maiestie in the heauens a ⸫ minister of the holies and of the true tabernacle which our Lord pight and not man The note Christ liuing and reigning in heauen continueth his priestly function still and is minister not of Moyses Sancta and tabernacle but of his owne bodie and blood which be the true holies and tabernacle not formed by man but by Gods owne hand The answer Paule setteth Christ in heauen at the right hand of maiestie you set him in earth in the sacrament of the altar Paule teacheth that he continueth in his priestly function you haue appointed priests to offer propitiatorie sacrifice as if his priesthood were ceased Paule saith that if Christ were vpon the earth againe he were no priest you teach that he is againe vpon earth therefore your doctrine maketh him no priest Hebr. 8. 7. The text For ⸫ if that former had beene voide of fault there should not certes a place for a second been sought The note The promises and effects of the law were temporall but the promises and effects of Christs Sacraments in the church be eternall The answer This is plaine and flat Manicheisme If the high priest were a figure of Christ if Sancta sanctorum were a figure of heauen if the sacrifices of the old law were figures of Christs sacrifice then how can the promises or effects perteining to them be temporal The differences that I haue learned betwéene the sacraments of the law and the Gospell do not consist in diuersitie of promises and effects but in cléerenes number and time Cléerenes bicause that which then was obscurely shadowed is now cléerely reuealed number bicause they had a great multitude of sacramentall figures we as few in number and as effectual in signification as possible may be in time bicause theirs nursed in them the faith of Christ to come and ours confirmeth to vs the faith of Christ which is alreadie come and hath accomplished all things which are necessarie for our redemption Hebr. 9. 8. The text The holie Ghost signifieng this that the way of the holies ●as ⸫ not yet manifested the former tabernacle yet standing The note The way to heauen was not open before Christs passion and therfore the Patriarks and good men of the old testament were in some other place of rest vntill then The answer You dreame of a drie sommer Christ was alwaies the waie but Christ was not alwaies manifested or made openly knowne during the former tabernacle as now he is What maketh this for your dream of shutting the fathors out of heauen and causing them to go séeke another place of rest Was not Christ the lambe slaine from the beginning of the world And was not faith in his blood as auailable to the fathers as to vs Hebr. 9. 9. The text Which is a ⸫ parable of the time present The note All things done in the old testament and priesthood were figures of Christs actions The answer If all things done in the olde Testament and priesthoode haue relation to Christ and that which he perfourmed for vs then how are the promises temporall as before you said Liars had néed of good memories or els with one breath they denie and ouerthrow that which they affirme with another Hebr. 9 19. The text For all the commandement of the lawe being read of Moises to all the people he taking the blood of calues and goates with ⸫ water and skarlet wooll and ysope sprinkled the verie booke also it selfe and all the people saieng This is the blood of the Testament which God hath commanded you The note Heere we may learne that the Scriptures conteine not all necessarie rites or truthes when neither the place to the which the Apostle alludeth nor anie other mentioneth halfe these ceremonies but he had them by tradition The answer The Scriptures you say containe not all necessarie rites and truthes whie do you couple rites and truthes togither You know that we hold that rites and ceremonies may be variable according to diuersitie of times places and maners of people so the generall rules of Scriptures giuen to frame them by be obserued But truth is alwaies one and the same not to be found but in the word of truth and therefore though you could haue prooued that some of these rites were had by tradition yet it would not followe that anie necessarie truth were omitted in scriptures But let vs sée how doughtilie you prooue that forsooth halfe the ceremonies here spoken of are not mentioned in the place of Scripture to the which the Apostle alludeth nor in anie other place and therfore it can not be otherwise but he had them by tradition As you are true in this so I would you might finde credit in all things els first in the place by your selues quoted the reading of the Lawe the sprinkling of the people and the book with the blood of the sacrifices with the words here rehearsed are mentioned Then resteth water skarlet wool and hissope to be shewed els where In Leuiticus we finde that water was mingled with the blood which was to be sprinckled and that the sprinckle it selfe was made of cedar wood of hissope and of a skarlet lace Thus haue you one place for the sprinckling and another for the sprinkle and nothing héere at all by tradition which you so contend for Hebr. 9. 28. The text And as it is appointed to men to die once and after this the iudgement so also Christ was offered once to ⸫ exhauste the sinnes of manie The note By this word which signifieth to emptie or draw out euen to the bottome is declared the plentifull perfect redemption of sinnes by Christ. The answer When the holie Ghost by such significant and forcible wordes hath taught vs to ascribe our whole and full remission of sinnes to Christ what impudencie and shamelessenes is in you to ioine to Christ a number of trumperies of your own and as it were
the bottomlesse depth and go into destruction The note It signifieth the short raigne of Antichrist who is the chiefe horne or head of the beast The answer I would it had pleased God to make it so short as you imagin it it had saued the blood of a great number of saints and bred quietnes in our daies but sith it hath pleased God otherwise God open our eies that we may sée know and take héed in time Apoc. 17. 12. The text And the ten horns which thou sawest are ⸫ ten kings which haue not yet receiued kingdome but shall receiue power as kings one hower after the beast The note Some expound it of ten small kingdoms into which the Roman empire shall be diuided which all shall serue Antichrist both in his life and a little after The answer I consent to them that interpret this of our kingdoms in Europe England France Spaine Scotland Nauar Denmarke Sweueland Beame Poland Hungarie which all haue serued Rome But the continuance of their seruice the beasts whole life and a little after is one of your dreames Apoc. 17. 1● The text And the ten hornes which thou sawest in the beast these shal hate the harlot and shal make hir desolate and naked and shal eate hir flesh and hir they shal burne with fire For ⸫ God hath giuen into their harts to doo that which pleaseth him that they giue their kingdom to the beast till the words of God be consummate The note Not forcing or moouing any to follow Antichrist but by his iust iudgement and for punishment of their sinne permitting them to beleeue and consent to him The answer Of Gods working in the minds of men and of your foolish friuolous flieng to permission we haue spoken diuers times afore I cannot learne of you to speake otherwise than the holy Ghost hath taught me but héere it is manifest that those kings shall not serue the whoore so long as you dreamed of but that though by the iust iudgement of God they for a time gaue their crowns and dignities vnto Antichrist yet God hath alreadie altered the minds and wils of some of these and will when his good pleasure is alter the rest that they shall hate the harlot and make hir desolate and naked according to the words of this prophesie Apoc. 18. 7. The text As much as she hath glorified hir selfe and hath been in delicacies ⸫ so much giue hir torment and moorning bicause she saith in hir hart I sit a Queene and widow I am not and moorning I shall not see The note The measure of paines and damnation according to the wicked pleasures and vnlawfull delights of this life which is a sore sentence for such people as turne their whole life to lust and riot The answer Though this be properly spoken and meant of the paines and damnation of the whoore of Babylon yet it may be well extended to all those that after hir example excell in pride and ambition and other impieties For as they haue folowed hir in sinning so no doubt they shall follow hir in the punishment of sinne Apoc. 18. 9. The text And ⸫ the kings of the earth that haue fornicated with hir and haue liued in delicacies shall weepe and bewaile themselues vpon hir when they shall see the smoke of hir burning The note Kings and marchants are most encumbred endangered and drowned in the pleasures of this world whose whole life and traffike is if they be not exceeding vertuous to find varietie of earthly pleasures Who seeing once the extreme end of their ioies and of all that made their heauen heere to be turned into paines and damnation eternall then shall howle and weepe too late The answer Kings and marchants and all other that haue had hir in reuerence shal be astonied at the iudgements of God vpon hir and shall moorne especially all maner of shauen marchants bicause by hir decay they lose their corporall commodities For thereby their Romish marchandise wherein consisted their whole traffike becommeth dead ware and hangeth on their hands For that they haue no vent for it Apoc. 18. 20. The text ⸫ Reioice ouer her heauen and ye holie Apostles and prophets bicause God hath iudged your iudgement of her The note The angels and all saints shall reioice and laude God to see the wicked confounded and Gods iustice executed vpon their oppressors and persecutors and this is that which the martyrs praied for chapter 6. The answer All celesticall creatures togither with the saints of God are called to celebrate and shew foorth their spirituall ioie and gladnes for the destruction of the enimies of Gods church and for the notable reuenge that God hath made for the blood of his saints that hath béene spilled Apoc. 18. 21. The text And one strong angell tooke vp as it were a great milstone and threw it into the sea saieng with this violence shall ⸫ Babylon that great citie be throwen and shall now be founde no more The note By this it seemeth cleere that the apostle meaneth not any one citie but the vniuersal companie of the reprobate which shal perish in the day of iudgement the old prophets also naming the whole number of Gods enimies mistically Babylon as Ierem. cap. 52. The answer How cléere can any thing here make it that by Babylon one citie is not ment The whole number of the reprobate shall perish at the day of iudgement What then Doth that hinder that the head and principall citie of the diuels kingdome is not ment here by Babylon Babylon is taken in the scriptures mystically for the whole number of Gods enimies Ieremie 52. Babylon in that chapter is not named and though it be by circumstance desciphered I sée nothing why there also it should not be taken for the citie it selfe But howsoeuer it be taken there it is most manifest that here it must be taken for Rome For what other citie is situate on seauen hils what other citie hath had kingdome ouer the kings of the earth what other city hath made the nations to erre in her inchauntments and in what citie else may a man finde the blood of the prophets and saints that haue béene slaine vpon the earth So that the reasons that lead vs to vnderstand it of Rome are so many and so plaine that except a man would shut his eies against the light he cannot choose but sée it Yet this is farther to be gathered that the head and principall citie of the diuels kingdome can not fall without the ruine and fall of the whole kingdome Apoc. 19. ● The text And againe they said Allelu-ia The note This often repeating of Allelu-ia in times of reioising the church doth follow in her seruice The answer And where all things in the church ought to be done to edifieng the people who vnderstand neuer a word are neuer the better neither for your Latine Gréeke nor Hebrew And yet you thinke it sufficient to tell vs that such a