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A79784 Fiat lux or, a general conduct to a right understanding in the great combustions and broils about religion here in England. Betwixt Papist and Protestant, Presbyterian & independent to the end that moderation and quietnes may at length hapily ensue after so various tumults in the kingdom. / By Mr. JVC. a friend to men of all religions. J. V. C. (John Vincent Canes), d. 1672. 1661 (1661) Wing C429; Thomason E2266_1; ESTC R210152 178,951 376

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and antient divines do teach that he did before them the same sacramental act he had himself instituted and done aforetime before his apostles and by that he was discerned which interpretation is very probable for there be set down the same words and gestures He took bread and blessed and brake it and gave it to them Luke 24.30 And if it were so then it seems the cup was not thought necessary either by Christ himself or his disciples otherwise neither Christ would have done his work imperfectly and vanished before he had given them the cup nor would the disciples have judged him by so doing to be their master but som evil spirit or impostour as who had kept the cup from them against their right Nay by this example it seems that the very consecration it self may be dispenced in case of necessity to be don only in one kind though the complete sacrifice and mode of signication would be unexprest Thirdly in the first and second chapters of the Acts of the apostles where mention is purposely made of the religious assemblies of the Christians and their sacred Synaxis ther is much speech there of their breaking of bread but not any word of the use of a cup amongst the people And it is enough insinuated as well directly in these forenamed places that that was the religious work of the primitive Christians as it is indirectly afterwards c. 20. One day of the sabboth saith the text when we came together to break bread No mention being made any where in all that book of the challice at all So that I must conclude as I said before that the communion of the challice is neither necessary to any effect of the sacrament nor expedient to be generally practised nor is there in gospel or sacred writ any either precept or president for it But the autority and practis of the catholick Church descended from the apostles is in this as in all other points the best and most irrefragable convincing argument which S. Paul in another case kept for his best and last refuge 1. Cor. 11. If any one saith he will be contentious we have no such custom nor the Church of God And if there be no such custom in the Church of God let not any of us be any further contentious §. 27. Saints I Do not remember that ever I took into my hands any catholick Breviary or Missal or other prayer book but it had prefixed before it a calendar or catalogue of great saints amongst them apostles martyrs confessours virgins of whom the Catholicks keep a very respectful memory as of the temples wherein God did once dwell and work wonders in the Church And although this act and custom of theirs be made by our voluntary interpretation a thing of much offence and scandal against them yet looking upon it with an unprejudiced eye I cannot discern it to be any other than the civility of a due respect For what ingenuous noble spirit would not do as much for the great heroes of his own family that have upheld and innobled the hous And what sayes Christ would he not have it done so to his surely if these things had not been don in his Church but all memorials of him and his blotted out according to the fansy of every reformer we had had by this no more certainty of him than of Jove or Mercury But what sayes he therefor He that loves me shall be loved of my Father and I will love him and make my mansion in him c. he that leavs father or mother for my sake shall sit upon thrones c. he that shall overcome and keep my words unto the end I will give him power over nations as I have received from my father and I will give unto him a morning star c. and the like promimises of glory I stand not now to mention And I should think whom God and Christ so highly honours that we may honour them too nay I beleev we should for a good servant ought to respect him his maister loves And what are we afraid of least people by much reflecting upon such eminent examples of vertue should be moved therby to imitate them what can it be els If saints were proposed and described unto us like Mars Jove and Venus eminent both actours and patrons of vice then we might justly blame it But who can dislike of an example of heroick vertue though it were in a Romance And all those saints even from the first of January to the last of December are so commended for their sacred retirements ravishing contemplations of Gods love and the life to come carnal mortifications and castigations of body fastings abnegations of themselves excessive charity daily renewed resolutions against the world flesh and devill and valorous attempts for the love of Jesus to justifie his truth and gospel even to the effusion of their bloods that we read nothing els of them all which is but what Christ and his apostles both by example and word either prescribed or at least counselled both them and us to do And who can make bitter gibeing invectives against them and their legends but only he who is an enemy to the vertues there commended What my self and others in England have read and heard against Popish Saints it would be tedious to speak but I find it to be the spirit and genius of them that depart from the Popes religion Luther the Hectour rampant was excellently dextrous at this feat of disabling persons of renown and before him his grandsire Wicleph who publickly affirmed that St. Austin St. Bennet St. Bernard and other such like men were damned in hell for founding religious orders yea and even John Calvin himself that holy faced man was so intemtemperatly given to this theiomachy that he opened his mouth not only against all saints and their memorials in the register of the Church but even the renowned persons both of the old and new testament canonized in holy writ Noah Abraham Rebecca Jacob Rachel Job Moyses Josuah David Elias Jeremias Daniel The B. Virgin Mary S. Joseph S. Mary Magdalen Martha the haemorroiss Woman who touched Christs garments S. Peter S. Paul S. Matthew S. Luke S. Zacharias the husband of Elizabeth and S. Denyse Areopagite c. and his own words against all these I could easily set down but that I would not tire my reader nor foul my paper with his detracting unseemly speeches But I should being left to my own reason shrewdly suspect him to be an enemy to vertue whom I find to calumniate and disable all those persons who by authentick history are so much commended for it and by the same proposed unto us as an ensample of our lives It is not only their due but our benefit to keep the memory of saints before us Besides that man cannot easily forget his own imortality after our deceas who often ruminates upon such vertuous presidents whom being dead he honours as yet
autority which can onely constitute religion so likewise all anticatholicks both Independent Presbyterian and Protestant have the same power and advantage each one against another which any other may pretend against him scripture easy scripture interiour light and spirit whiles none of them will in the interim admit of any living judg nor of the autority of a foregoing Church wherein they found themselvs when they first went out and changed And I have already said and truly said that no man ever yet was impowred even from heaven to go out of the general flock but to have recours unto it nor considering the order God hath set ever can be Nor is there any surer rule of discerning a fals pretension than that of the Apostle Exierunt ex nobis which if it held good in the Church when that apostle was alive it must needs do so unto all generations so long as the Church remains by vertue of him who promised to confirm it and therein his deity must chiefly appear even vnto the consummation of the world And if we consider the first ingress of all these religions we shall find that the catholick faith entred our land first and chased hence our antient paganisme after it had been here existent a thousand years the Protestant went forth out of it the Puritan by and by out of the Protestant not to mention any further subdivision and the catholick religion entered by vertue of her own powerful integrity all the others by force either of Parliament or Sword that Church as she entered peaceably so she remained quietly all the time of her stay in the Kingdom but the others neither stay nor enter without disturbance she hath a rule to go by and a judg to submit unto in all affairs others as they will be their own judg so must the rule speak as they list and no otherwise which manner of proceeding if it have its free cours must needs work much disorder in a kingdom I have often marvelled that these various wayes of religion here in England which multiply without end or any hope of reconciliation have not all this while appealed to the sacred majesty of the King who hath been acknowledged by all the parties to be supreme in all his kingdoms as well in spirituals as temporals and head as well of the Church as State Certainly had this been don and that all had rested upon his verdict as they ought by reason of their own acknowledgment to do much mischief had been prevented But we were so far all of us from doing so that on the contrary first we secretly murmured against both Queen Elizabeth and King James and then broke forth into open hostility against his son Indeed that private swelling of the murmuring waters were an ill boding omen of the vast tempest which followed afterwards in the reign of our good King Charls with so dismal and violent a rage that it both split the ship and drowned our pilot We did not appeal then with submission to his judgment as by our own law and agreement upon our revolt from Popery we ought to have don but forced him imperiously to our own and when in right reason he could not consent unto it we made no conscience to destroy and cut off not so much his head as our own which being a singular unparallel'd piece of insolent cruelty never yet acted before upon earth it will remain an eternal blemish both upon the men and religion too so long as the world lasteth Did we sincerely think our King to be head as well of Church as of State how then durst we subjugate him to our selves in the affairs of both and under pretens of purity of religion oppress him from whom under God all our religion should be derived as the head and sours of it The body may prepare blood and vital spirits to be presented to the head but of these are not made animal spirits till the head receivs and makes them such for the good of the whole and from the head com down all those influences that be fitted and proportioned unto that life which the animal lives So may and ought every kingdom either apart or in Parliament assemblies to propose affairs unto their head but can take none as authentick till he have determined and derived them to us whether civil or spiritual if so be he be head of both resting quiet within our selves both before and after he hath don it for what hand or foot ever questioned the spirits which the head derived it or pretended either to mend or make them But we have by these our proceedings condemned our selves if we do not indeed think him our spiritual head as we profess in words of vise hypocrisie if we do beleev him so of inconsequent madnes But to remove the Pope the King is head with us and to remove the King the people is head and to remove one another each particular person is his own head So arbitrary a thing it is with us to set up and pull down power at our pleasur It would seem very strang to a rational man that the Pope who is in our esteem the worst of men should keep together the people of many kingdoms which as they be not at all subject to him in civil affairs so are they very divers among themselves both in habits manners language lawes and other weighty respects and inclinations in a constant unity of religion from age to age and yet a noble vertuous prudent King should not be able to do so much among his own subjects all of one guarb one law one language for one age together the Pope all the while we beleev to be a fals and onely pretended Head the King an acknowledged and true one This is a greater secret and yet greater too upon this account that if any should fall away from the Popes religion the apostate runs himself into no more danger upon that account than what he willingly brings upon himself the loss of further communion with him and his Church for the Popes excommunication signifies no more and all the Pope can do is but to excommunicate him who before by his own voluntary act put himself out of his communion But the King hath a temporal sword in his hand to take corporal reveng upon rebellion and apostacy and the people subject to him in faith are likewise subject in other temporal respects and by their rebellion against him hazzard their estates and lives I know well enough that Popes are generally as civil and accomplished gentlemen as be in Europe and for the most part very learned yet can I never beleev but that there be others in the Christian world both priests doctours and byshops as learned as the pope himself and as wise too and accomplisht persons in any perfections either natural or moral and yet can none but He hit upon this feat of guiding the Christian flock in unity and peace Nay which yet augments the
popish Breviary and Missal To revile and hate a custom whence we do our selves receiv so much benefit and no body and harm is fals latin in morality §. 26. Communion EVen as to pleas the people and to draw and keep them from the catholick Church we threw the Bible amongst them telling them withall that as it is easie to understand so is every man inabled to interpret it although our Protestant Church does now too late repent it and wish with all their hearts it had never been done so likewise another plausible advantage we took against the Pope and Church wherein those people communicate commonly but under one kind by giving all communicants a spoonful of wine together with their mouthful of bread which stratagem has given as ample content as if people had been treated at my Lord Majors Feast For who would not drink with their meat and what reason can be given that they should not or that a feast with wine should not caeteris paribus be better than without it But a little to abate our insulting over a grave religious people let me argue a little for them after my plain manner Protestant countreymen you cannot but know at least you ought to know that the catholick Church uses the cup in communion as much as we in England do and in sacrifice more for so I distinguish at this time that the sacrifice is for the priest communion for the people more I say than we ever mean to do for the deacon or minister at the altar after the priest had communicated the people with the hoast carries the cup after him to all the said communicants to drink before which action of communion the Priest to prefigure Christs passion upon the altar and his blood effused had both consecrated and consummated both the kinds himself Is not this enough to silence you I should think it were since you are taken so clearly in a dissimulation at least that I may speak no more when you say that Catholicks have not the cup in communion concealing what you ought to acknowledg both that the people have as much as ours and that the priest consecrates and consummates both which others do not Oh but you will say they give not the people the consecrated challice which is the very blood of Christ very good no more do Protestants do we give the people any more then a cup of natural wine they do so too if you answer it is blest wine know and remember that when you speak against the Priests consecration Oh then that blessing is nothing but when you would argue against the communion in one kind then you make something of it so likewise your own blessing of the cup when you talk against puriritans o 't is a great and venerable secret but when you plead against Catholicks then 't is but an empty ceremony Where shall any one hold such slippery cells But to omit these cavills May not Anti-Romans be ashamed to say that Catholicks use not the cup which they use as much as any and to as much effect as we will allow it to be used and yet more too The catholick people in communion I must say it again that I may be understood do drink of such a cup as Protestants do affirm to be the only cup and no other and over and above this communicate the very body of their redeemer animated with his soul and sacred blood and hypostatically united to his deity which thing Protestants neither do nor will allow it although gospel do both direct and command it And yet we will be talking of I know not what defect of catholick communion not remembring too as we forget other things that all the vertue of consecration is attributed by Protestants only to our feeding upon Christ by faith which no man can deny but that it may be totally done and compleated without touching either bread and drink and therfore have they mightily laboured to make good that when our Lord saith in St. John My flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed that he speaks not one word of sacramental eating or drinking but only of feeding upon him spiritually by the mouth of faith May not Catholicks say the like to any text that shall be brought for the people communion of the challice He is surely a mad man that so belabours his adversary in one argument that by the same he knocks out his own brains in another So then Protestants take from the people both the real body and blood of Christ united and effused and then exclaim against Catholicks for not using the effused species as well in communion as sacrifice We who hold neither as we ought condemn them for withholding one who hold both and call that in them a sacriledge with we our selves esteem but a ceremony The catholick Church feeds her people with real meat we feed ours with signs and husks Though others might upbraid the witholding of one kind if it were so yet surely we cannot ingenuously do it who have taken away the reallity of both Whatsoever Protestants do truly hold and teach concerning this sacrament the same do catholicks from whom they had it maintain too and what more ought to be done the Catholick Church does it and Protestants do it not Must we feed upon Christ crucified by faith Catholicks do it and it is the very end of their religion Must the Eucharist be taken in remembrance of him and commemoration of his death They do it Must both kinds be blest and taken they do that too Must the people drink wine out of a cup in communion Catholik people do the like On the other side Catholicks do really partake of the animated and living body of their Redeemer this ought to be done to the end we may have life in us And yet Protestants do it not Catholicks have it continually sacrificed before their eyes and the very death and effusion of their Lords blood prefigured and set forth before them for faith to feed upon This Protestants have not they do it not and yet this ought to be done for so our Lord commanded when he said to his apostles hoc facite this do ye which you have seen me to do and in that manner you see me do it exercising before your eyes my priestly function according to the order of Melchizedech with which power I do also invest you and appoint you to do the like even to the consummation of the world in commemoration of my death and passion exhibiting and shewing forth your Lords death till he com This I say Protestants do not and we are mad angry that the Papist does what his redeemer injoined him Thus far ad hominem The consecrated challice is not indeed ordinarily given by the priest to people in private communion And it is neither expedient it should be so nor necessary to any effect of communion nor yet is ther in gospel any precept for it It is not