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A89922 The Christian and Catholike veritie; or, The reasons and manner of the conversion of Francis de Neville; formerly a Capuchin, preacher, the Popes missionary, and superiour in sundry covents of the same order. A treatise very usefull for all Christians, and especially for such as are popishly affected, or not fully setled in their beliefe; and for the further confirmation of the faithfull. Wherein many secrets of the Romish clergy, heretofore unrevealed, are discovered. Dedicated by the author to the high court of Parliament now assembled, 1642. See the contents at the next page. Neville, Francis de.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1642 (1642) Wing N502; Thomason E144_15; ESTC R11352 153,461 187

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sins S. Luke who hath written since hath these words Chap. 22. v. Luk. 22.20 20. This cup is the new Testament in my blood which is shed for you and likewise S. Paul 1 Cor. 11. This might suffice to shew that the words of S. Matthew should be figuratively understood and in a significative mystery for S. Paul and S. Luke having written since have set it down after the same manner to cleer the mystery having made as it were a paraphrase upon the words of Saint Matthew Now those words of S. Luke and S. Paul lead straight to the knowledge of the truth for I beleeve not they can say that the cup is really the new Testament or a covenant for a Testament or a Covenant are a relation an action an accident and the blood is a substance Moreover a Testament consisteth in clauses and promises which can no wayes appertain to the blood of our Saviour and there is no reason to call Christ the Testament seeing he is the Testator himself and if a partie contracting can be called Testament and Covenant the faithfull may also be called the covenant and the Priest making daily the blood of Jesus Christ should make the covenant and Testament of Christ every day which is eternall and was made before the institution of this mystery The Gospel which is the Testament of the Son of God being alreadie divulged and therefore we must say that those words this cup is the new Testament in my blood ought to be understood figuratively and in a signifying mystery and therefore you may see the word est used for signifie or represent even in the institution of this mystery by the Romanists own confession wherefore then think they it strange that it is so used also in the distribution of the bread Furthermore this Sacrament is called bread in a number of other places and that after the institution of this mysterie and Christ saith after the administration of the wine Verily I say unto you I will drink no more of the fruit of the Vine he meant then that it was wine after he had spoken those words In a word the institution of Christ appeareth so clearly in this mystery to have been onely the figure of his body and blood that I marvell how any can doubt of it and those who desire to be further informed upon this may read the Authors who have written of it more learnedly and copiously especially the books of Doctors Peter du Moulin and Andrew Rivet two of the most able and famous writers of this age and who are reputed for such even by the learnedst of the Romish Church Now as for the distribution and communion under two kinds it is certain that Jesus Christ gave it so and that he gave the bread and wine together to all them that were then at Table with him and that in them he hath commanded all Christians to do the same Matth. 26.26 by those words Take and eat and by those other words Drink ye all of this for they to whom he saith Drink ye all were none other but they to whom he had said Take and eat and when he said drink ye all if they to whom he spake should onely represent the Priests as the Romanists will have there should be none also but the Priests obliged to communicate under the element of bread for they were none other but the same and there is neither ground nor reason to make this distinction But if they say that the Church hath taken the cup from the people for many just reasons and to shun a multitude of inconveniences as because the wine might easily spill because it is scarce in divers places or for the irreverence many might commit in wetting their beards in the cup and so letting some drops of the blood of Christ hang thereon by which means they should have the whole body of Christ hanging at their moustaches which would be very great irreverence and other the like frivolous and ridiculous reasons that is to shew themselves wiser than their Master Christ and to blame him of indiscretion for not foreseeing all those inconveniences and disorders in instituting that holy mystery But our Saviour being the eternall Wisdom cannot be blamed of that vice and well knowing and foreseeing all that was to fall out in the world through all the ages to come all those reasons ought not to be alledged on the contrarie but it is in a multitude of other things as well as in this that the Church of Rome passeth from the institution of Christ to follow her own inventions desiring her self to be esteemed wiser than the Wisedom it self Now I beleeve a Christian cannot be blamed for doing as Christ our Master hath done and taught us by his example and words and to imitate him as neer as can be in all his actions and especially in the administration and reception of the Sacraments but rather that the perfection of a Christian life and doctrine consisteth in following the words and examples and the institution of Christ and that with all possible exactnesse and seeing the Church of Rome beleeveth and confesseth that Christ hath instituted the holy Sacrament as it ought to be and none can find fault with his institution wherefore do they not follow his institution and example which if they did in this and other things they would in a short time be but one fold and one Shepheard to wit Jesus Christ and all controversies should be quickly decided CHAP. XXI Of the Masse and of Prayers in a strange Tongue ONe of the things of greatest importance at this day in the Romish Church is the Masse which the people be commanded to hear wholly on the Sundayes and holidayes under the pain of eternall damnation and are exhorted to hear it every day for which so many rich Altars are erected for which so great diversity of ornaments of silke and embroiderie loaded with gold and pearl and for which they have such a huge number of utensils of incense dishes of candlesticks lamps and moveables of gold and silver that to speak the truth it is a thing very pleasant to the eye and very capable to draw approbation and applause from those who have no other reason but sence but in matter of Sacraments and divine mysteries men ought not to stay upon humane inventions proper for recreation and delight as may be done in Tragedies and Comedies and in worldly magnificences and pomps of this world but they ought onely to look to the divine intention and institution and seek more after the happinesse and salvation of the soul than the contentment and pleasure of the sence And howsoever the Popish Doctors preach to the simpler that Christ and his Apostles did say Masse and write in the Indexes of their Bibles and contents of Chapters the Masse proved in these places where Christ instituted the Sacrament of his Supper if they mean that to communicate in both kinds is to say
dissention and strange scandall in the Church of Rome that they of that partie are ashamed and know not what to think on and it is probable that ere it be long the interchucks of those great and heavie clouds will make terrible thundrings I pray God the lightnings may be good and the effects happie But certainly it is not without subject if the Bishops complain so much to see the Pope of Rome whom they esteeme but their equall under pretext of his usurped authority send them fellow-helpers in their Diocesses without their consent and even against their will and inclination which say they have more power than themselves and brag they are exempted from their jurisdiction preaching in their Diocesse against their will and confessing in despight of them and all the Pastors and who by their Indulgences and Papall priviledges and other Monasticall allurements withdraw their sheep out of their Parish and common fold causing schismes in their Churches especially by the means of certain congregations and brotherhoods invented of purpose to bind the people to them and draw from them their wealth and possessions which is the drift and end of the mystery and truly it would vex a Saint as they say and if the Bishops power were answerable to their good will there would in a short time be no religious nor Monks in the world acknowledging at their own cost too late that institution never to have been of Christ nor his Apostles but onely a humane invention which the Popes have made use of to maintain their authoritie amongst the people especially against the contradictions of the Bishops and truly the Pope hath nor any stronger pillars at this present in the world for he maintaineth them by priviledges and immunities and they defend him by their tongue and writings so one hand scratcheth another Now if the Bishops complain so much seeing their authoritie so far wronged in and by them the kingdom republiques and Cities do no lesse at this present finding their shoulders loaded and their purses extremely lightned thereby for the most part of them are open or secret beggars who calling themselves voluntarily poore are shamelesse and beleeve mens whole estate belongs to them and that every one is bound to give them and who by their stratagems and importunitie can suck the very blood of families leaving often nothing but the bones for the poore children to gnaw for if you chase them out by the one dore they will returne by the other If they be refused by word they enter againe by friends and other inventions if you give them a flat deniall they calumniate you amongst your neighbours as an avaritious or ungodly man if yee give to one yee must give to twenty nay even to all for feare of incurring their disgrace and the bad effects of their tongues which are rather beleeved of the people when they lie than others when they speake truth and are Trumpets that sound every where it is impossible to content them all otherwise men must have the riches of Salomon Moreover they are insatiable so that an honest man that would maintaine his family in any good fashion and shew that his children may obtaine better matches if he cannot give those men proportionably to that which they see appeare outwardly he is often redacted to such extremities that makes him send a thousand complaints and sighes unto heaven against the institution and establishment of those kinde of men It is impossible to hinder them when they have a minde to settle themselves in any Citie or Bishopricke for being troopes composed of a number both of quick and dull spirits they finde easily friends strong and able enough to force and constraine the wills even of Princes and if Kings refuse them they set new inventions and practices on foote to move and stirre up Queenes to prosecute their designes so that it is not to be marveiled if they enter wheresoever they will and there maintaine themselves against the will and combination almost of all And which is worse there is almost no religious Order which hath not a desire to multiply inlarge and establish themselves every where to possesse and governe all themselves alone and when they are established they move heaven and earth to hinder least any companions should come and live neere them or be admitted not onely where they remaine but in all the Circumference and Sphere of their activitie I know a certaine Order which being established in a Towne hath to my knowledge assayed all meanes for divers yeares to hinder the Orders of Jesuits Recolects Penitents Minims Fathers Oratories Feuillants shod and bare-footed Carmelites Pyramidall Augustines and others to settle neere them Now if so much good commeth from those Orders as they make the people beleeve I would gladly aske wherefore they trouble and disquiet themselves so much to hinder others from being admitted and received with them to contribute to the Common good as they doe considering the spirits and inclinations of the people to be different and one will like one Order who will dislike another seeing also as they often preach there cannot be too many good men in the world but charitie say they beginneth at home or to speake the truth covetousnesse commandeth them as well as other passions especially vanitie and pride I remember I have heard many great Preachers and Doctors yea even Prelates of especiall learning and examplary life in the Romish Church apply to them in their Sermons the words spoken by our Saviour of the Pharisees and Scribes Mark 12.38 Mar. 12.38 Beware of the Scribes who love to goe in long cloathing and love salutations in the Market places and the chiefest seats in the Synagogues and the uppermost Roomes at feasts which devoure widdowes houses and for a pretence make long prayers those shall receive greater Damnation And many among them did confesse the application was good enough for the most part and they seemed to suffer it as persecution for Justice notwithstanding under-hand they left nothing unassayed whereby to be revenged and hinder them to preach any longer for feare they should reveale other things and discover more of their mysteries For my part it is not my designe here or desire to speake any thing either of particular persons or Congregations although it may well be beleeved that if I would open my mouth or move my pen I know many singularities concerning the disorders which have been committed and which are committed there every day to shame many but as I pretend nothing but the weale and conversion of soules not their confusion I desire rather to bury all in silence than discover any thing I will say no more of it except some froward and impertinent spirit as there are diverse will tax me of lying and imposture in this Discourse and give me occasion to explaine my selfe more cleerly and produce more evident examples and proofes to justifie my selfe of this crime and so constraine my nature and
and corporally there and the Orthodox and reformed Church spiritually sacramentally and figuratively and after the same manner that our Saviour did receive it and give it to his Disciples Now there is no appearance our Saviour did eate his true and proper body for so should he have had his body within his body his whole head in his mouth in his stomacke and at one time been passible and impassible neither is there any likelihood he gave it after that manner to his Disciples for as it is said Ioh. 6.63 Joh. 6.63 It is the spirit that quickneth the flesh profiteth nothing and although we know that the whole body and person of the Son of God is of an infinite merit because of the hypostaticall union with the Deitie yet the Romane Doctors confesse ingenuously and affirme with us that it is not the corporall reception nor to receive it corporally that quickneth and maketh us partakers of the graces of this holy Sacrament for so should rats and dogs be capable as we are but onely the sacramentall and spirituall union and reception which is by true faith and the true and simple love of God under the signes of this holy Sacrament and therefore I marvell they stammer so much at this seeing they doe not pretend to receive more spirituall graces and benefits therein than they of the reformed Churches doe For my part I may truly say in this as I have already said in the matter of the Saints my inclination is very forward to render to God and the Saints and all the mysteries of our Religion all possible honour and respect and if I could acknowledge the reall and corporall presence of my Saviour in all his Sacraments and in all the mysteries of my Religion I would do it with all my heart but we have rules and lawes that guide us and to which we ought to submit our selves and onely looke to the will of God his institution and holy Word for that is the onely measure which ought to rule and forme our faith Now it is most evident by the Words and institution of Christ that he did not give his body corporally but onely figuratively and spiritually under the substance and figure of bread for see the words of Matth. 26.26 And Jesus took bread blessed it Mat. 26.26 and brake it and gave it to his Disciples There yee see that which he tooke was nothing but bread and that he blessed the bread which he did take and brake it and gave it so it was but bread which he gave for that which he tooke and blessed and broke was but bread But yee object that he said Mat. 26.26 This is my body therefore that which he gave was his body It is true he said This is my body but it is to be remarked that our Saviour speaking in Hebrew which although much mingled with the Syriaque was yet so called spake according to the phrase of that tongue now in that language the word signifie or represent is not found and in place thereof they used the word Est So we see in the Hebrew old Testament this word Est ordinarily used for the word signifie or represent as Gen. 40.12 Gen. 40.12 Joseph expounding the Dreames of the Cup-bearer and Baker of Pharoah saith The three branches are three dayes Vers 18. and in the 18 verse The three baskets are three dayes that is signifie and represent three dayes and in the 41 Chap. vers 26. Gen. 41.26 The fat Kine and the seven full eares are seven yeares and the seven evill favoured and leane Kine and the seven blasted eares are seven yeares It is cleare then from these passages that the word Est even in the Plurall number and in diverse Tenses import so much as signifie or represent Whence it is that although the Greek tongue want not words to expresse signifie figure or represent yet the Greek new Testament which often followeth the Hebrew phrase hath often est for signifie as the Apostle Paul 1 Cor. 10.4 1 Cor. 10.4 Gal. 4.24 Rev. 19.9 The stone was Christ and to the Galat. 4.24 the bondwoman and the free to wit Agar and Sarah are the two Testaments And Rev. 17.9 The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sitteth And in vers 12. The ten hornes ARE ten kings v. 18. and vers 18. The woman which thou sawest IS the great City It being impossible then for our Saviour to say in his own language this signifieth or representeth my body because those words were not in that language he spake as he could and according to the forme of speech used among the Jews and familiar in holy Scripture And the Evangelists knowing that Christ did speak in that manner have set it down the most ingeniously they could so the Romish Church hath no reason to beleeve that to be his true body because Christ said This is my body Ioh. 14.6 Besides when our Saviour saith St. Joh. 14.6 I am the way the truth and the life I am the doore and the like the Romish Church understandeth it figuratively and by way of Allegory why then when Christ hath said This is my body do they not understand it figuratively for it is as hard to beleeve that the bread is the bodie of Christ as that he is the way or a doore and all that they say that our Saviour did more clearly explain himself in those other passages than in this it is without reason or ground but rather he hath explained himself more cleerly in this than the others Luk. 22.19 1 Cor. 11.16 saying Do this in remembrance of me as S. Luke hath it 22.19 and as S. Paul explaineth it 1 Cor. 11.16 Moreover if Christ had given his true body he would have commanded his disciples to adore it and would have elevated it that they might have adored it which cannot be observed seeing they sate stil at Table which is a posture no way fit for adoration and they who should do it now in the Romish Church would be judged to be prophane and contemners of God and this adoration would have been chiefly necessarie at this first institution and as it was impossible but some crums would fall especially in breaking the bread as Christ is said to have done he would straightly have charged them together to gather up all the crums together diligently not leaving any as they do in the Romish Church for according to this opinion Christ should be wholly in everie little crumme as well as in the greatest pieces which neverthelesse is not to be seen in any place of the holy Scripture This is also proved by the words pronounced in the distribution of the cup for thus S. Matthew hath it 26.27 and taking the cup he gave thanks Matth. 26.27 and gave it them saying Drink ye all of this for this is the blood of the new Testament which is shed for many for the remission of