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A12484 Of the author and substance of the protestant church and religion two bookes. Written first in Latin by R.S. Doctour of Diuinity, and now reuiewed by the author, and translated into English by VV. Bas.; De auctore et essentia Protestanticae Ecclesiae et religionis libri duo. English Smith, Richard, 1566-1655.; Bas., W. 1621 (1621) STC 22812; ESTC S117611 239,031 514

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