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A16571 All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561 Bradford, John, 1510?-1555. 1561 (1561) STC 3477; ESTC S116578 60,488 240

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cānot tel how you wil stretche this woorde maintenāce I will repete again y t which I spake I said I was more confirmed in the religion set foorth in king Edwardes dayes then euer I was if god so would I trust I should declare it by geuing my life for the confirmacion and testificacion therof So I saide then so I say again now ꝙ Bradford As for otherwise to mainteine it then pertayneth to a priuate person by cōfessiō I thought not nor thinke Well ꝙ the lord Chancelor yesterday thou diddest mayntain false heresy cōcernyng y e blessed sacramēt therfore we gaue y e respite til this day to deliberate My lord ꝙ Bradford as I sayde at y e first I spake nothinge of the Sacramēt but y t which you allowed therfore reꝓued it not nor gaue me no time to deliberate Why ꝙ he diddest thou not denye Christs presence in the sacramēt No ꝙ Bradford I neuer denyed nor taught but that to the fayth whole Christs body bloud was as presente as breade wyne to the dewe receyuer yea but doest thou not beleue that Christes bodye naturallye and reallye is vnder the forme of bread and wyne My Lord ꝙ Bradforde I beleue Christ is presēt there to faith of y e dewe receyuer as for transubstanciacion I plainely and flatlye tell you I beleue it not Here was Bradford called a deuil or sclanderer for we axe no questiō ꝙ y e lord Chancelor of transubstanciacion but of Christs bodily presēce Why quoth Bradford I denye not hys presēce to the faith of the receuer but denye that he is included in y e bred or that the bred is transubstanciated If he be not īcluded ꝙ the B. of Worcester how is he then presēt Forsothe quoth Bradford my faith knoweth howe though my tōg cannot expresse it nor you otherwise thē by faith heare it or vnderstand it Heare was much a doe now one Docter starting vp speking this another that the lord Chancelor talking muche of Luther zwīglius Oecolāpadiꝰ But stil Bradford kept thē at this point that Christ is presēt to faith and y t there is no transubstanciacion nor including of Christ in the bread but al this would not serue thē Therfore an other bishop asked this questiō whether y e wycked man receiued Christes verye bodie or no Bradford answered plainly no. Where the lord Chancelor made a long oracion howe y t it could not be y t Christe was present excepte that the euill man receiue hī But Bradford put his oracion away in few woordes that grace was at y e present offred vnto his lordship although he receiued it not So y t ꝙ he y t receyuing maketh not the presens as youre lordship would affirme but gods grace trueth power is y e cause of the presence the which the wicked y t lacketh faith cannot receue And here Bradforde prayed hym not to deuorce that whiche God hathe coupled together he hathe coupled al this together take eate this is my bodye he saieth not see pepe this is my bodye but take eate Here the lorde Chancelour the reste of the Bishoppes made a great a do that Bradforde hadde founde out a toy that no man els euer did of the condicions the lord Chancelor made many words to the people here aboute But Bradford said this My lord ꝙ he are not these woordes take eate a cōmaundement and are not these woordes this is my bodye a promyse If you wil challenge the ꝓmise do not y e cōmandemēt may you not deceue your self Here the lord Chancelor denied Christe to haue cōmāded any thīg in y e sacramēt or y e vse of it Why ꝙ Bradford my lord I pray you tel the people what mode accipite manducate is it is plain to childrē that Christ in so saying cōmandeth At these wordes the lorde Chauncellor made a great toying trifling at the imperatiue mode fel to proposing or examining as though he shuld teach a child so cōcluded that it was no cōmandement but such a phrase as this I praye you geue me drink which is no commandemēt I trow But Bradford prayd him to leaue toying trifling and said thus my lord ꝙ he if it be not a commandemēt of Christ to take to eate the sacramēt why do any take vpō thē to cōmaund make of necessity that which god leueth free as you do in making it a necessary commandemēt that once a yere for al that be of lawful discrecion to receiue the sacramēt Here the lord Chancelour calleth him againe Diabolus or slaunderer so began out of these woordes let a man proue himself so eate of the bread the bred ꝙ Bradford and drink of the cup that was no cōmandemēt for then ꝙ he if it wer a cōmandemēt it should bynde al men in al places at al tymes O my lord quoth Bradford discerne betwene cōmandementes some be generall that thei binde alwaies in all places and all persones some be not so generall as this is of the supper The sacramente of Baptism of the appearing before the lord at Ierusalē Abrahās offring Isaac Here the lord Chancelor said what say you that Baptisme is cōmanded thē quoth he we shal haue .xi. cōmandementes In dede quoth Bradford I think you thinke as you speake for els you would not take the cup from the people seyng y t Christe sayeth drink of it al. But howe saye you my lord quoth Bradford Christe sayth to you bishops specially ite predicate euangelium goe preache the gospel fede Christes flocke is this a cōmandement or not Here was the lord Chancelor in a great chafe said as pleased him Another I wene the B. of Durham asked him when Christ began to bee present in the sacrament whether before the receyuer receiued it or no Bradforde answered that the questiō was curious not necessary further said as the said cup was the new testamēt so the bred was Christs body to him that receiueth it duely But yet so y e bred is bred for in al y e scripture ye shal not find this proposiciō non est panis ther is no bred so he brought forth s Chrisostō Si in corpore essemus Summa much a do was here about thei calling Bradford heretike he desired them to procede a gods name he loked for y t whiche god appointed thē to do Loe ꝙ the lord Chancelor this felowe is now in a nother heresy of fatal desteny as though all thynges wer so tyed together y t of mere necessitie al thinges must come to passe But Bradford praide him to take things as they were spoken not wreste them into a contrary sence your lordshippe quoth hee doth discerne betwixt god and manne things are not by fortune to god at any time thoughe to man they seme so some times I ꝙ Bradforde spake but as the Apostles spake lord ꝙ he see howe Herode