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A35020 The general history of the Quakers containing the lives, tenents, sufferings, tryals, speeches and letters of the most eminent Quakers, both men and women : from the first rise of that sect down to this present time / being written originally in Latin by Gerard Croese ; to which is added a letter writ by George Keith ... Croese, Gerardus, 1642-1710.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1696 (1696) Wing C6965; ESTC R31312 344,579 528

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Men denoteth their Union with those Men in whom they dwell but there is no Union nor Communion of God and Christ with evil men and unbelievers P. 279. So Christ so God by Christ is in all Men and dwelleth in all Men yea in all Creatures The Annot. See the Correction above given P. The same Chrisst and God set or go down Latineword occidit in Men but not every way The Annot. If by the Latine word occidit he understandeth it in that sense as the Sun is said to set or go down in the West or to arise or come up in the East it is in some manner tolerable But if by that Latine word occidit he understandeth as if God did dye in any Men I do not acknowledge that ever I said or Writ nay nor either thought any such thing But on the contrary when Thomas Fitzwater said in his Prayer at the yearly Meeting in Philadelphia these words O God who dyed in us and hast risen in us I did publickly in the Meeting reprehend him as speaking Blasphemously So far was it from me that I never thought any such thing for God is every way Immortal Indeed the Man Christ who is God was Born and Dyed but not as God but as Man But if at any time I have said that Christ is Crucified in any one I did no wise understand it so as that he suffered in the least as God but as that Seed of God siffereth in Men by their sins which Seed of God belongeth to Christ as a certain member of Christ mystically speaking for if the Saints and Believers are called the Members of Christ in Scripture Why may not this Seed of God much more be called so Because by that Seed the Faithful become the Members of Christ and are united with him mystically and spiritually Pag. The same And that seed is a substance a particle of the Invisible and spiritual substance of the Son of God and the Divine Man The Annot. That the Seed of God in the Faithful is a substance I own that I have affirm'd and I do still affirm it But I said not as I do not now say that it is a Particle of God nor doth the Author fix this upon me But that I said that Seed of God was a Particle of Christ the Divine Man I would not be so understood as if it were a Particle that could be divided or separated from Christ in that manner as a Corporeal Particle can be divided or separated from the Body whose part it is for it is undividable from Christ its Fountain as the Beams from the Sun P. The same So the Saints from all Ages have eat the Flesh and drank the Blood of Christ The Annot. That the Life of Christ in the Saints and Faithful is called the Flesh and Blood of Christ according to Joh. 6. 54. 63. is not otherwise so said than Allegorically and by a Metaphor as when it is called Milk Wine Oyl Fatness Bread I grant also that the Saints in all Ages have eat the Flesh and drunk the Blood of Christ in the common sense of Protestant Writers understanding by the Flesh of Christ his outward Flesh and by his Blood his outward Blood but so that they did not eat his Flesh and drink his Blood by the mouth of the body but by Faith according to these excellent words of Augustine Why said he preparest thou the Teeth and the Belly to eat Christ's Flesh Believe and thou hast eat it And I do not think that ever I said that the inward Blood of Christ was that Blood which by way of Atonement doth reconcile us to God But I alwayes believed and still I so believe that the Blood of Christ which reconcileth us to God by way of Atonement is that most holy Blood of his most holy Body outwardly shed which Blood was a necessary part of the Sacrifice of Christ which he offered for our sins joyned with his most holy Obedience and his most great Dolors and Sufferings both of his most holy Soul and Body P. 280. And often by the Infamy and Tearing asunder of his Body he is so afflicted with grief and suppressed as if he were nailed to the Cross The Annot. I do not remember that ever I said or Writ such words or so much as thought them I own that I have Writ that Christ or the Life of Christ in some manner or respect is Crucified in men when they commit heinous Sins who have formerly experienced Christ after a sort to live in them but all this is to be taken with a grain of allowance and in a sober sence Nor did I ever think that Christ suffereth such griefs in men as he suffered when he was nailed to the Cross when he did bear on him the weight of the Sins of the whole World but this I did mean that the life of Christ as it were doth so suffer in some men committing heinous sins as the life of man suffers when a Finger or a Toe of his Body is wounded with a mortal wound but that suffering is neither such nor so great as when the Head or Heart is mortally wounded Again it is one thing for a manss Finger to be killed and far another for his Head and Heart to be killed And whatsoever is the Suffering of Christ in some men I do neither think nor remember that either by Word or Writing I affirmed that Christ's Sufferings in any men were or are in any part or degree Propitiatory or by way of a Propitiatory Sacrifice I know some have so Writ viz. that Christ in men offereth up himself a Sacrifice to pacifie the Wrath of God but I have publickly shewed my Offence and witnessed against it But still I acknowledge and perhaps somewhere I have so Writ that the Life of Christ in the Faithful is not a Propitiatory Sacrifice but as an Heavenly and Divine Incense most sweetly smelling before God P. the same Thus Christ as he is that Divine Man is to be worshipped and adored by all but not as outward born of Mary The Annot. In this also he doth not rightly ascribe such Doctrine to me as if I deny'd that Divine Worship were due to the Man Christ outwardly Born of Mary for I have plainly Taught the contrary particularly in my Book called The Way cast up which Book I suppose this Author has both seen and read therefore I the rather think strange that he should attribute such Doctrine to me for in that Book I set down some words of Prayer to the Man Christ who suffered without us calling him Son of David and in this point I did dissent from many called Quakers and I still dissent But this I also affirm that the Divine Worship which we give to Christ is so to be directed to Christ our alone Mediator that by the Man Christ it may be directed to God and doth ultimately terminate in God Also he doth not aright ascribe to me that Doctrine
the certain ruine of his Soul and to the latter a risk of losing his Life but my Fighting is to abstain from all these Quarrels Wars and Arms nay not only to abstain from them but to conquer and subjugate those Passions and Lusts from whence they arise I am a Soldier waging War and fighting but so as to provide for the Peace and Safety of my self of you and all Men both here in this Humane Society and also with God Which Practice would to God both ye and all the World would study to imitate Wherefore I desire of you that ye give me no more trouble of this Nature and that ye be aware of running your selves into a worse condition than ye are in already lest by indulging your selves this liberty of sinning against God the Emperor of the World his wrath be kindled against you and when the time for Vengeance shall come and the Door of Mercy shut up ye perish for ever This Discourse was so far from putting a stop to the fury of his Adversaries that it spurr'd on their fierceness and cruelty the more which they express'd not in Imprisoning him as before but in casting him into a nasty stinking Dungeon digged under Ground where Thieves and Malefactors were kept But after other six Months he got out from thence also And this Affliction did not in the least scare him from prosecuting his Design but he still became bolder and brisker Propagating his Doctrine not only in the Counties of Nottingham Darby and Leicester which were the Theatre and Stage where this great Engine did first appear but through all York-shire Lancaster and the vast Tract of Lands called Westmorland in all which places he unweariedly preached his Doctrine and Discipline being followed by vast numbers of the People This is certain that none of all the Quakers ever preached or discoursed so often and unto so many different Hearers as George Fox and he himself never made so many Discourses as in these places and at this time But because he could not be present every where to speak Face to Face he now began to write Letters to several Societies and likewise to particular Men Instructing and Admonishing them in what he imagined most necessary to be known and practised And to this day are to be seen in many peoples hands whole bundles of Letters wrote by him to the same Persons Though he did not express any great strength of Discourse or Reasoning in these his Letters for that he both wrote such Characters as were not easie to be read and also in so rude and simple a Style sometimes most difficult and intricate that it is a wonder any Man so much exercised in speaking and discoursing should have been the Author of them The first Letter he wrote was in the Year Fifty to his Friends which I shall here insert It was wrote Originally in English and is translated from the Original into Latin which done from the Latin into English again for the Original is not in our hands runs thus The Lord is King over all the Earth wherefore all ye Nations praise and magnifie your King in true Obedience purity of Holiness and Sincerity O! consider in true Obedience how ye should know the Lord with Vnderstanding mark and consider in silence in submission of Mind and ye shall hear the Lord speaking to you in your Minds His Voice is sweet and pleasant His Sheep hear his voice and will give ear to no other And when they hear his voice they rejoyce and obey and also sing for joy O! their hearts are filled with Eternal Triumphs They sing forth and praise the Eternal God in Zion Their Joy shall none take from them Glory be to the Lord for ever G. F. In this same Fiftieth Year Elizabeth Hooton born and living in Nottingham a Woman pretty far advanced in Years was the first of her Sex among the Quakers who attempted to imitate Men and Preach which she now in this Year commenced After her Example many of her Sex had the confidence to undertake the same Office This Woman afterwards went with George Fox into New-England where she wholly devoted her self to this Work and after having suffered many Affronts from that People went into Jamaica and there finished her Life But I return again to Fox While he thus continued so forward and zealous for Preaching his Doctrines his condition was very various strange Events and Accidents falling out of which I think it convenient to give you a short Account It happened in Yorkshire in a Town towards the East Part of it called Beverlar that he went into the Church being mightily mov'd in Spirit where he first kept himself silent till the Minister had finish'd his Sermon then before all the People he thunder'd out his extemporary and reviling Harangues and presently convey'd himself away thus he escaped safe and unpunish'd Some few days after that at Crantsick as the Minister had just read the Text of his ensuing Discourse being a Man of considerable Worth and Fame he fell upon him with a Discourse the only purport of which was to express his contempt of the Dignity Order and Religion of this worthy Divine Which Action might have brought him into extream danger for every body almost accounted it a signal of so great Impudence and Insolence that they thought no Vengeance too great nor no Resentment too high for so villainous and injurious a Crime yet he escap'd unpunish'd But I come to give you a larger Account of a certain Sermon of his Being in Leicester his Native Country he had occasion to Travel in that Country with some of his Friends He spyes from afar a certain Town not knowing which it was but having asked of his Friends comes to understand that it was Lichfield Thither he presently resolves to go and pronounce Curses against all the Citizens high or low or of whatever degree for they were all equally unknown to him While I call to remembrance the Ancient Annals of the British Affairs it comes into my Mind that at this very Town in the time of Dioclesian the Emperour there was a great many Christian Martyrs miserably afflicted and tortured with all manner of exquisite Torments And then in the Reign of Henry the Sixth King of England there was a Battel fought betwixt the King and the Earl of Salisbury near to this place in which great numbers of Men were slain on both sides and the King's Army almost totally routed So that on both these occasions this Ground was covered with the Blood of so many Men. And besides in Fox's own time while that Fatal Civil War was raging in England betwixt the King and the People in the same Fields and this very same Town there was a great deal of Humane Blood shed all which Fox was not ignorant of Thither I say did he presently direct his course and because he did not know the right Road for he had now parted from his Friends being impatient
perhaps destruction The same year did William Cotton go to Calai● a City on the Sea-coast of France six miles distant from Dunkirk with the same design as the other two had before-mentioned but not so skilful in the Language of the Country where entring into the great Church and viewing all things frowningly but holding his Peace he said at last that he was a sort of a new Guest and when after some time he was known to be an English-man he was led to the House of a certain Noble Scotch-man and being asked what he was he did not deny but that he was so and so There when the foresaid Scotch-man made himself to be his Interpreter to the People Cotten speaks a few words concerning the Idolatry and Corrupt Manners of the People which when he had done and that they contrived to do him an Injury he no sooner came to hear of it but bethinking himself he ought to take heed and to reserve his life for another necessity of dying as his Friends before had done he suddenly and without any manner of delay that he might disappoint the Consultations and Contrivances of his Enemies flies and makes the best of his way back again into England George Ball was the only person that penetrared into France and so that he never returned thence again and so it 's uncertain and unknown what he did or what became of him The Quakers think he perished somewhere in Prison None other after thesemen went on this design into France St. Crisp tryed this Experiment in that horrid and more than barbarous Persecution of the whole Reformed Churches in that Kingdom and in the dispersion of so many Thousands of men through other Reformed Countries of which we have not yet seen an end that he wrote a book and took care to send and deliver it to those men to try whether he could a●●ect some of them so as to entertain a good Opinion of the Quakers Religion and joyn themselves to their Sect. It 's not to be doubted but that Book had its first beginning from Crisp but because it was written in French as it was to the French and that Crisp was ignorant of that Language or not well skilled therein it●s certain it was Translated and believed to have been much increased and published b● another hand And it 's no crime to think seeing the Style is so like unto that way of w●i●ing used by Pe●n who is still the choicest Writer amongst the Quakers that he was that same Artificer It contains in it nothing concerning Religion It only puts those French in mind to consider with themselves wherefore God suffered such Calamities to befal them whether they were not the Consequent of their Soft and Depraved Education and Love to Earthly things and blind Obedience towards those to whose care they commited the Direction of their Consciences then that they should weigh what Good what Progress in Sanctity of Life those Calamities wrought in them which they endured with so much Lamentation Lastly That not contenting themselves with that Reformation which hitherto was instituted amongst them they should go on and do their endeavour to Finish and Consummate this begun Work But the Book was writ both in Respect to the Sentences Phrases and words very different from the English Mode and not only from that of the Quakers and to Conform to the Method and way of Writing in the French Tongue at this day when that Language is Arrived to its highest Maturity that there could be nothing in my Judgment writ more neatly and more congruous to the Genius and Temper of those People This Book the Quakers distributed gratis every where through the Countries where those French Refugees had Fled and in some places as the People were coming out of their Churches But there was not one found that we have heard of or came to understand that was induced by this Book to fall in with the Quakers Hester Bidley relates this Passage to have happened to her self a little before this time which every one is at liberty to believe as he pleases She went to the late Q. of England of happy memory and complains to her That it was very great grief of Heart to her as she was a Woman and a Christian that so great and tedious a War was waged between Christians and such great Calamities and Slaughters of Men which happened every day pierced her Heart and therefore she Exhorted the Queen to endeavour at least to bend her study this way for to end this War that Peace may be made and so gain great respect and affection from all The Queen who was of a most free and good Temper having given her her Answer she further desires That the Queen would grant her leave to go over into France saying she would advise and speak to the French King about the same affair and would have a Letter from the Queen to the same effect This the Queen refused and diswades her from the said enterprise urging that such a Journey and Business would be very difficult and dangerous yet for all this the woman through her importunity and earnest sollicitation got a pass from the said Queen's Secretary and seeing that a short space of time is tedious to a longing person she forthwith sets out and after various traverses comes into France and goes to Versailles and there coming to know that the late King of England was there she at first applies her self unto him as to one to whom he had been some years before known upon the like occasion and delivers unto him the Letter written by her to the French King the substance whereof was this That she being stirred by God the Supreme King of all that Illuminates this World pray'd the King to make his Peace with God and with the Nations he was at War with and put a stop to such an over-flowing and Rivulet of Blood that was shed King James having seen the Epistle sends the Woman to the Duke of Orleance to whom when she had come she delivered the Letter and said withal that she must speak with the King the Duke agrees to deliver the Letter but said she must not speak with the King whereupon the Woman full of Grief and Lamentation and with shedding many Tears did at last break forth into these words Am I permitted to speak with the King of Kings an● may not I speak with Man Should I tell this to our People in England they would believe what they are all of them already perswaded of that the King of France is so high and proud that none can speak with him Which passage when the King came to understand he in about three days after grants her liberty to come to his Presence the Room was full of Princes and Princesses Prelates and great Men the King Enters the same and having seen the Woman speaks to her with his Hat under his Arm whereupon she asked whether he was the King the King