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A10173 Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped. Broughton, Richard, attributed name. 1615 (1615) STC 20450; ESTC S112509 81,861 158

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make Bishops preists bee true then their pretended Bishops and ministers claymed by his ordination are not true and lawfull but voide and inualidate If their second opinion contradictorie to the first bee true that the Pope is not Antichrist but the true Vicar Preist and Bishop of Christ as one or the other is moste true Then first because it is not my nature to giue yt they must take this infamous and notorious lye amongst them by their owne Iudgment Secondly as their brethren before haue tolde them they must confesse that the Pope of Rome and Offer supr pag. 16. that church and in them God and Christ Ihesus himselfe haue had greate wronge and indignitis offered vnto them and that the protestant churches are schismaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion with them Thirdly that their extreamest and bloody persecutions against the sacred preists and Catholicks of England haue longe time beene and still continued are yett moste barbarous and Antichristian Fourthly that they must doe penance and seeke absolution of this by his maiesties Censure their Mother church Fiftly they must still continue in this state K. speach in parlam recantinge their former false brauings and heresies or els neuer to bee credited hereafter This is all the choise I can propose vnto then lett them make their owne election And which soeuer they chuse this is their miserable and desperate case that they haue not now any one true or lawfull Bishop or preist except some few vnhappy Renegadoes from the Romane church in England by their owne proceedings For if I should graunt which Mason proueth not that Barlowe was a true Bishop made in the time of kinge Henry 8 and a Consecrator of Matthew Parker which soe many their owne testimonies before deny yet● M. Mason hath told vs before that his commission power and purpose was to make him an Archbishop according to the forme of the protestant Mason sup in cōsecrat Matth. park statutes which as before was onely to giue him false iurisdiction without order And yett as I haue proued by them s●lu●s true iurisdiction maketh not a true and lawfull Bishop Secondly whatsoeuer is the Catholick opinion in making Bishops and whether onely one or more consecratinge Bishops of necessitie are required whereof wee doe not dispute because their commission was onely Stat. Henr. 8. of making Bishops stat An. 1. Eliz. reuiuing yt according to the forme of their statutes the statutes of kinge Henry 8. and Queene Elizabeth as before required foure Bishops and soe their practise is in all M. Masons pretended consecrations of Yonge Grindall Packhurst Mason in cons of yonge c. Coxe Iuell Pilkinton Sandes Downame Bentham and the rest though pretending to be onely ordinary Bishops But for Archbishops their statutes of necessitie require fower and being repealed by Q Elizabeth Thirdly M. Mason sup concil Flor. in vnione Mason and others graunt with the generall Councell of Florence that nothing is soe essentiall in true ordination as the true and lawfull forme and matter And yett M. Mason and his directors bee wittnesses that Parker by whome they all now clayme was soe farr from hauinge the catholicke true forme matter and maner of consecration That they plainely acknowledge Hee was made and admitted far otherwise and in different maner to all true Masōineōs of Matth. Park Archbishops of Canterbury before him from S. Augustines time and our first Christianitie Fourthly if by impossibilitie against all those euidence and without any Rituall or Order at all then all both ours and their owne as before condemned not one or any part of any vsed or lawfull to bee vsed any man could bee seduced to thinke that in their begynninge they had true Bishops of them which had beene made preists by catholike consecration yett because M. Mason his Mason in consecr directors and others and their generall practise assure vs that noe man not beinge a true and lawfull preist can possibly bee made a Bishop Stowe Hollinsh hi●t An. 1. Eliz. Articles of Relig. c. And bothe Barlowe and all their other pretended Consecrators were professed enemyes to preisthood sacrifice and holy oblation for the quicke and deade and that forme was condemned by their lawes and a quite contrary by statutes of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth made allowed and euer since practised against yt these men as I said cannot possibly now haue either true Bishop or preist amonge them all such in probabilitie deade longe since But M. Mason obiecteth that true preisthood Mason in cōsecrat of preists is not sacrificing preisthood nor giuen by such forme but by these wordes Rec●aue the Holy Ghost whose synnes you forgiue they are forgiuen Obiest and whose synnes you retaine they are retayned And soe the Romane church euer retayninge in consecration those wo●des as well as those of offeringe sacrifice for the lyuing and deade they still retayned true preisthood the protestants by that title and meanes receaued yt from them I Answeare him this is but his new and singular inuention for D. Sutchffe speaking Answ of our preists hath these wordes their preists are not called to preach and baptize● but to Sutcliff ag D. Kell pag. 4. Feild l. of t●e church c. sacrifice Christs body and blood vnder the accidents of breade and wine for the quicke and the deade Like is the doctrine of the rest And allthough we graunt the former wordes of losing and bindinge to bee requisite to absolue from synnes yett neither we nor protestants truely relating our doctrine can call yt the principall act of preisthood whereof wee dispute and which if it ●ee wanting the secondary is not giuen For proofe of this M. Mason himselfe bringeth more testimonies out of scriptures Councells and fathers then euer he or protestants will answeare I must be breife Therefore Mason in sacrific● c. I vrge him but vppon these his graunts Christ was a preist after the order of M●lchizedech and soe was to offer sacrifice according to that Order for as the Apostle saith Euery high preist is to offer sacrifice to God for the people therefore he graunteth that Christs bodie and blood giuen or offered to God for the people is a true sacrifice Which Christ manifestly affirmed to be done at his institution of this sacrifice when hee said this is my bodie which is gi●en for you my blood which is shedd for you in remission of synns Otherwise hee had neuer performed the function of his preisthood after the order of Melchisedech Therefore seeing Christs bodie was giuen and his blood shed both for the quick the deade and wee are preists after that order we are by our preisthood to offer sacrifice for the people because the Apostle saith euery highe preist Archicireus is to d●e yt and to bee a preist and high preist differ not in the preisthood office and sacrifice but in the Archi to bee higher or lower greater
or lesse in dignitie and Christ offering his body and blood for the quicke and deade and giuing power to those whome he made preists to doe that which hee then did Hoc facite doe you this which I doe preists also must needs haue that power and that power be the proper office of Holy preisthood For at that time were the Apostles made preists otherwise we doe not finde where any power is communicated vnto them to be ministers of this soe commaunded and recommended sacracrament And otherwise S. Thomas not present when the wordes of binding and losing were spoken vnto the Apostles was not a preist in the doctrine of protestants admitting nothinge but scriptures in such cases Neither can those wordes whos● syns you forgiue they are forgiuen and whose syns you retayne they are retayned confer that power which belongeth to preists if they were not to offer sacrifice but onely to minister sacraments in the Religion of protestants which doe not teach that either the preist or sacrament but the faith of the Receauer forgiueth syns And soe essentiall it is to preisthood to offer sacrifice that those which in our languadge we call preists sacrifice and altar bee in other tonges things inseperable and Correlatiues both in name and deed Thusiastis Thusia Thusiast●rion sacrificer sacrifice and place where there sacrificer or preist offereth sacrifice Which inseperable connexion betweene sacrifice and altar preist and sacrifice D. Morton before acknowledgeth in these wordes We cannot dislike t●● sentence of D. Reynoldes concerning the mutuall Mortō App. pa. 16● l. 2. ca. 6. sect 1. Reinolds confer pag. 550. Relation and dependance betweene an altare and sacrifice But graunt that altar doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shrine doth a Saint a father a sonne And further these Cardinall Bellarmine said truly viz sacrifice and preistood are Relatiues Therefore seing Relatiues bee inseperable preisthood and to offer sacrifice cannot bee deuided but inuiolably vnited and coniected together Therefore the holy generall Councell denied such by these protestants before defineth thus The forme Conc. Flor. in vnion of preisthood is this Receaue power to offer sacrifice in the church for the liuing and deade in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost Neither is this by these protestants other doctrine then was taught from the beginninge but it was euer soe constantly and generall taught in the church that it was adiuged and condemned for heresie in Aërius to deny yt D. Felds wordes thereof are these Arius condemned the custome of the church in Feild p. 138 l 3. cap. 29. Couell exā pag. 114. naminge the deade at the Alt●r and offerringe the Sacrifice of Eucharist for them for this his ●ash and inconsiderate boldnes and presumption in condemning the vniuersall church of Christ hee was iust●y condemned Therefore protestants haue noe preisthood they are iustly condemned for hereticks by their owne censure and the Romane sacrificing preisthood both by the present and primatiue vniuersall church of Christ is most holy Which is further confirmed by these protestants authorities first their allowed greeke church censureth these The doctrine Feild of that church Gennad Schol. def 5 c. 3. Feild p. 238 Hull Rom. pol pa. 86. Middleton papistom p. 64 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. Relation of Religion Casau resp ad Card. per p. 51. 52. c of purgatorie prayer sacrifice for the deade was a tradition of the Apostles equall with the worde of God as D. Feild writeth M. Hull saith Leo S. Leo the Pope appointed Masses for the deade M. Middleton saith It was a tradition of the primatiue church receaued from the fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercye of God for them the deade were prayed for in the publick liturgies of Basile Crisostome and Epiphanius And their Relator wittnesseth that these Masses and forme of sacrifice were publick in the church Therefore M Isaac Casaubon calling yt the Religion of our kinge and saying he writeth by the kings commaund and from his mouth writeth these neither is the kinge ignorant nor den●eth that the fathers of the primatiue church did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses lawe D. Morton goeth higher euen to the Rabbins before Christ graunting with his frend Mortō app in sacrifice c. Mortō app pa. 395. l ● Theodore Bibliander that they taught this sacrifice of the Christians and called yt Thoda And hee addeth these These testimonies of Rabbi Cahana Rabbi Iuda Rabbi Simeon are such if yet● they were such that they make soe directly for the Romish article of transsubstantiatiō that the most Romish Dostors for the space of allmoste a thousand yeares after Christ did not in soe expresse termes publish this mistery to the world They are more playne and pregnant for transsubstantion then are the sayings of transsubstantiators themselues pag. 396. Hitherto D. Morton And therefore allthough I now dispute for a sacrificing preisthood and externall sacrifice not of transubstantiation or what it is in particular that being impertinent to my present purpose yett because D. Couell with publick allowance before hath told M. Morton that preists to vse Couell def pag. 8● his wordes Haue power imparted to them by God ouer Christs naturall body which is himselfe which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which pag. 105. was powred out to redeeme soules And M. Casaubon graunteth for our kinge and their protestāts church that the sacrifice offered by preists is Christs bodye to vse his wordes the same obiect Casaub sup pag. 50. 51. and thinge which the Romane church beleeueth Therefore I say because D. Morton acknowledgeth himselfe but an Alephbethorian in Mortōpr●ā Hebrue not able to Iudge of those Rabbines and I may not dispute but by protestants his f●end and fellowe protestant Franciscus Starearus Hebraicae literaturae callentissimus most excellent in Hebrue learninge as the Franck fort protestant allowers of those Rabbines name h●m Praefat. prot in p. G●l Frā●● fur●i An. 1602. and they themselues are wittnesses doe call those and other testimonies of the Rabbines before Christ. Irrefragabilia testimonia vndeniable testimonies of the kingdome of Christ that all men except madd against the Religion of Christ might knowe the truthe Therefore by all kinde of Testimonies in the Iudgment of these protestants as scriptures traditions Councells the whole church of Christ holy fathers and the protestant proceedings themselues the sacrificing preistood of the Romane church is Stat. An. 8. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe in Ed. 6. Regist e●d pereg in Lōd Reinol Caluinot Resp lustit english min●sters in state of treason protestāt●●n felony by their doctrine Method pataren l. decret ab init Iams Manuscrip in Can●trig lawfull sacred and moste reuerent And