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christian_n and_o a_o abbess_n over_o her_o nun_n but_o you_o argue_v thus_o our_o clergy_n promise_v canonical_a obedience_n to_o their_o bishop_n 83._o pag._n 83._o they_o do_v not_o so_o to_o the_o king_n ergo_fw-la they_o admit_v a_o jurisdiction_n in_o bishop_n of_o which_o the_o king_n be_v not_o the_o root_n answ_n we_o grant_v the_o whole_a who_o ever_o think_v that_o his_o majesty_n be_v the_o root_n of_o episcopal_a jurisdiction_n or_o that_o it_o be_v only_o jure_fw-la regio_fw-la 2._o the_o bishop_n that_o ordain_v we_o be_v authorise_v by_o his_o majesty_n to_o require_v this_o obedience_n and_o therefore_o he_o be_v in_o a_o sense_n the_o root_n of_o it_o sect._n 7_o but_o you_o proceed_v to_o some_o question_n worthy_a to_o be_v state_v in_o a_o court_n sermon_n only_o the_o difficulty_n will_v be_v how_o to_o keep_v the_o courtier_n serious_a while_o they_o be_v examine_v 85._o mr._n c._n p._n 85._o thus_o than_o you_o argue_v be_v it_o dishonourable_a either_o to_o 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